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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

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Genre: Role Playing
Developer: Bethesda Softworks Official Site: http://elderscrolls.com
Publisher: Bethesda Softworks
Release Date:
11th November 2011
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

Genre: Role Playing
Developer: Bethesda Softworks
Official Site: http://elderscrolls.com
Publisher: Bethesda Softworks
Release Date:
11th November 2011
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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Review
Review By @ 12:02am 11/11/11
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So there I was, looted up to the gills and feeling somewhat triumphant at clearing Knifepoint Ridge of its myriad bandits and, in the process, retrieving some lost item for someone. As my eyes adjusted to the blood-orange hue of the setting sun, I could see commotion off in the distance. Making my way to a vantage point overlooking the affair, I found a host of bandits in battle with Legion soldiers.

“That’s not my fight,” I said to myself and decided to head off in the other direction. Unfortunately I came across a bear who aggressively pursued both myself and my adventuring partner, Lydia, so that we ran right back into the thick of the aforementioned battle. Wolves also soon joined the fight and things became pretty messy.

Our petty struggles, however, were majestically overshadowed, literally, by the onset of a dragon. The huge winged beast blocked out the sun on its first pass overhead, and the battlefield stopped as if frozen in time.



Both man and beast alike stood rigid before the dragon’s presence, and when it landed at the centre of our fighting stage with an enormous thud, a single unyielding cry of camaraderie erupted throughout the combatants; no longer fighting each other, but this hulking ancient creature whose return to the land of Skyrim has left its denizens in a state of uncertain despair at what the future may hold.

Once slain, the previously occupied field of battle was now littered only with corpses, man and beast alike. The dragon’s flesh burned instantly from its skeleton, and its essence entered me, powering “The Way of the Voice” - an ordained gift that has long been lost to the world of Skyrim, and man’s only true weapon against the dragons, according to the old legends.

The sun set and I made my way to Half-Moon Mill to settle in for the night, empowered in the knowledge that tomorrow I would be one ancient, powerful dragon soul closer to taking Skyrim back for my Nord race and saving it from the onslaught of the dragons. It would be a good day.

The above really is just a few minutes out of my some 40-odd hours with Skyrim prior to posting this review, and like pretty much any Bethesda Game Studios game, said 40 hours really just isn’t enough. You don’t play The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, you experience it. And experience it, I have.

Honestly, there just aren’t any games in the videogame landscape that even come close to this, save for the games the team have made prior. And scope aside, even they’re at a stretch to keep up.



The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is, in my humble opinion, a perfect game. It’s the first game in nearly 14 years as a videogame journalist I’ve ever given a perfect score to, and despite its flaws (of which there are a few), it delivers on so many varying and engaging levels, it really is unparalleled. Simple things like moving from one destination to another quickly become a day-long event in the real-world, because you’re constantly peaking over each knoll, tree-line or riverbed to make out whatever it is that’s invariably caught your periphery. Moreover, almost all of these points of interest become major moments in the game, from a player’s perspective, in that whether or not they have anything to do with the main quest-line is irrelevant. What matters is the exploratory experience, and this is something Skyrim has in absolute spades.

The best way to express any of this though, is to simply relay the event. One of the best non-spoiler examples I could muster came in the way of talking to a priest in the town of Falkreath who was conducting a burial in the town’s graveyard -- the biggest graveyard Skyrim has to offer, apparently.

Talking to him lead to me asking the others at the service what they were there for, and it turns out a little girl who’d not yet “seen her 11th winter” had been ferociously attacked and mutilated by a man who was now being held in the town’s jail, located in the barracks. That’s it. There was no quest-line given, no on-screen prompt to do anything save for a tantalising piece of information: said murderer was locked up. I decided to investigate further. Upon doing this, I learnt that the man suffered an infliction many of you know as werewolvism, and that there was a chance I could help cure him of his burden and maybe, just maybe, bring some relative justice to the young girl’s death. The rest of the tale, I actually cannot tell you for pure spoiler reasons. But I can tell you it’s not even remotely clear cut and dry; you’re forced to think for yourself and the characters around you, and make decisions that will impact the whole affair. And this is just one small example.



If you’ve played either Oblivion or Fallout 3 though, you know that this is what Bethesda do best. They tell stories from your perspective. But what’s really changed since 2005? We played the game on Xbox 360 in an effort to get it early, but even on this ageing platform it looks amazing. Given there’s so much world streaming at once, alongside so much action in both what you can see on-screen and the algorithmic behind-the-scenes department, it’s an amazing feat in an of itself Skyrim even runs on a console to be honest. But it does, and does well.

The game-world around you is infinitely more detailed than either of the team’s last efforts, thanks in large part to experience first, and the new Creation Engine second. On Xbox 360 there was still minor amounts of pop-up and even a little slow-down here and there, but much of these issues can be optimised by doing a full HDD install. Otherwise, PC players with a decent set-up (likely most of you post-Battlefield 3) are definitely going to get the best visual representation of the game. Animations are also much better, as we’ve discussed in the past, thanks to the team opting for Havok’s Behaviour animation system, but I will say they’re still not quite where they need to be, but it’s definitely enough for me that I’ve switched out of playing the game in the first-person for third-person.

On a fundamental level, you don’t really have a character screen to check out anymore. You’re now managing yourself through three basic menus: Magic, Level Up and Items. Level up takes you to a celestial HUD where you can apply new perks to your character, and level him or her up in either Magic, Health or Stamina. It’s wonderfully streamlined, but still carries with it a large amount of depth. This is also managed through in-action use of certain abilities. So, using your bow, for example, will incrementally increase your Archery skill, then each time you level up, you’re allowed one Perk point to add to any skill-tree from either Warrior, Thief or Wizard nebulae. However, perk points will require a certain level for whatever skill it is you’re attempting to perk, which encourages players who like to play a certain way to focus on directing their growth in the appropriate areas, as opposed to arbitrarily adding points to areas you wouldn’t normally use.



A lot of this has been lifted from Fallout 3, though I’d argue it’s a far better system in Skyrim, given you have a greater sense of character growth and player-choice. But there’s also still enough fresh from Oblivion that it’s not completely alien. It’s like they essentially took the best of both worlds and married them together, then amplified the experience by allowing things like dual-wielding with magic and weapons, and then combinations of both. Then of course, there are shouts.

Shouts were revealed to us earlier in the year by Bethesda out at the BFG event AusGamers attended, and at the time we learnt that there would be something in the vicinity of 12 or so shouts, each with three tiers or progression. At the time that seemed like a really small amount for such a huge game, but in my play-time I’ve only learnt three in total, and only one of those has the second tier unlocked. You will come across dragons often, which means you can stockpile your dragon souls to empower shouts down the track, but actually learning or expanding shouts is a feat not easily accomplished, and like so much of the rest of the game, will take you some serious time to conquer.

The level cap, as we’ve revealed before, has been lifted to 50, and at the time of writing this review, with my 40-odd hours under my belt, I was only sitting at 17. I’ve also discovered a lot of the world-map, but I’d venture it’s well under 50 percent, and I’ve rarely even looked at the game’s main quest line. There’s just so much to do. You can travel with companions from the game’s early goings, buy houses and kit them out (replete with bookshelves to actually place individual books upon), buy horses and even find, rescue, recruit or buy dogs to aid you. If you’re versed in conjuring, you can also bring to life a Familiar or maybe a Fire Atronoch alongside your companion and dog. Hell, even your horse will fight for you. It’s just that complex, but there are no specific systems in place. You don’t need to overtly follow a set of rules in order to gain someone at your side or by your heel, it’s player-choice at its absolute best.



And the truth is, that’s what Skyrim boils down to: player-choice. The world shifts and dances around you; day and night, rain and sun, snow and blizzard, but how you choose to interact with it will shape your game and your destiny. That what you have available to do within the game-world is so compelling is an added bonus to the freedom at-hand, but these things would be nothing if your hands were tied to a specific gameplay agenda, and Skyrim does little in the way of telling you what to do or how to play. The game’s base setting and the amount of content available for you to discover is its strongest point, and you’d be hard-pressed finding any other game on the market now, or even in the near-future, that can match what’s here.

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is a game that will keep hardened gamers playing for months, maybe longer if Bethesda’s expected DLC is anything to go by, and right now I can’t see myself walking away from the game with anything less than 200 hours of gameplay under my belt. For newcomers, it’s an amazing entry point because it doesn’t force the series’ lore down your throat and has a streamlined interface that’s easy to manage, but difficult to master (you can also just brush up on said lore through the game’s massive library of game-world books). And it’s easily the best looking and feeling of the developer’s lineage and just a thrill to play, really. I can’t sell it much more than that.

If you can only buy one game this holiday season and want your absolute money’s worth, there’s no looking past what is arguably the industry benchmark for sandbox and emergent gameplay, with player-choice at its helm - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. A work of sheer genius.
WHAT WE LIKED
Absolutely massive, rich and lush game-world
Total freedom, sandbox game design at its finest
Possibly the best foundation for a fantasy RPG action game. Ever
Emergent gameplay that never lets up, but never intrudes: your own curiosity feeds your experience
Streamlined levelling and interface makes for a much better RPG experience
Third-person is now a palatable option thanks to the new engine and animation system
What's not to love about essentially being a Viking in a fantasy setting?
WHAT WE DIDN'T LIKE
Some animations still look a bit rigid
Still can't sleep in an owned bed after the owner is killed
Your companions don't ride horses, which means they trail you a bit if you do, which can be problematic if you run into trouble
MORE...
WE GAVE IT:
10.0
OUT OF 10
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Latest Comments
d^
Posted 09:29am 11/11/11
10! first ever?
ravn0s
Posted 09:31am 11/11/11
GOTY!
Steve Farrelly
Posted 09:32am 11/11/11
The Orange Box got a 10, but as an entire package, in his review Dan individualised all of the games' scores, and all less than 10, so yeah, technically, this is the first 10 on the site as well
carson
Posted 09:33am 11/11/11
Mitre 10/10
Dan
Posted 09:57am 11/11/11
Nice story, needs drago.... oh. Hurry up xmas break, I can't spare enough time to get lost in the lands of the north just yet :(
Nerfy
Posted 10:03am 11/11/11
PC Perspective:

Game crashed at startup over and over, but if you downgrade windows speaker settings it works, for some reason.

A little bit in, story/gameplay/design are all pretty good. Dual wielding is awesome. Trawling through shitloads of cups and stuff on desks for the ones with the highest value is classic elder scrolls...

PC migration has shitty mouse responsiveness and the UI is a pain. Can't exit menus with escape (just opens up another layer of menus over the top). For some reason the 'favourite' key doesn't seem to work consistently, and the only way to drop things seems to be to favourite them, then unfavourite them, which always drops them for some reason. There is a drop key, but it does nothing. The mouse on the UI is an imprecise pain, better to just use the arrows since it's made for a controller.

Performance is really good. Load times are pretty fast.

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edit: When looting, I can't figure out how to exit the screen unless I loot all (not an option if nothing's there), or change the camera? Anybody else know how to do this? Am I just noobing it up??
3dee
Posted 10:03am 11/11/11
I'm going to plug in my Xbox 360 controller and see what happens...
kappa
Posted 10:05am 11/11/11
Pirroh
Posted 10:13am 11/11/11
You can use TAB to close the menu without having to take everything, Nerfy. Took me a while too.
Morbz
Posted 10:16am 11/11/11
This game is going to be sweet. Epic 10 = Epic game
Nerfy
Posted 10:17am 11/11/11
Tab is my change camera key, I'm starting to think that the reason 'drop' and 'favourite' don't work is because they're remapped to keys which don't match the onscreen labels now (have to figure out whatever the default key mapping was, can't seem to get it back).
Eorl
Posted 10:23am 11/11/11
This game is utterly amazing. The races are beautiful. The gameplay is brilliant, the atmosphere is amazing, everything just works. Have had no issues whatsoever technical wise. Just picked Mage as my stone, loving dual wielding spells, two flames or a flame and a heal is just so good. This game has taken my life.
Eorl
Posted 10:25am 11/11/11
Tab is my change camera key, I'm starting to think that the reason 'drop' and 'favourite' don't work is because they're remapped to keys which don't match the onscreen labels now (have to figure out whatever the default key mapping was, can't seem to get it back).

That would be why Nerf. My default keys are tab is journal, R is drop, E is take.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 10:37am 11/11/11
10, a perfect game. Better then 99.9% of all games ever released.

I'll give it a go for sure.
Nerfy
Posted 10:44am 11/11/11
Heh, so it turns out that my tab key does all of the following at once:

Change camera
Exit Menu
Favourite (by virtue of being the change camera key)

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Spells are far better in this iteration, more magicka-like where you can go nuts making flamethrowers and combinations.
fpot
Posted 10:49am 11/11/11
welp. Better board up the windows and doors. This game looks like it might be a 200 hour + game. It's Morrowind all over again...
kappa
Posted 10:50am 11/11/11
The review said it still looks good on 360, but hows it play with a control pad? I need to get my fantasy fix!
Steve Farrelly
Posted 10:55am 11/11/11
kappa, I'd prefer to only play with a control pad given I'm playing this entirely in the third-person. It just feels right, but I'd venture you have a lot more fidelity in control choice with a keyboard at your disposal
Outlaw
Posted 10:59am 11/11/11
How can it get rated 10 with no MP?


Dead Island has MP.
Steve Farrelly
Posted 11:06am 11/11/11
huh?
Randy Cambell
Posted 11:06am 11/11/11
Epic cant wait till it comes in the post!
glynd
Posted 11:13am 11/11/11
makes me sad in the pants that dungeon crawl still hasn't received it yet so won't get it til monday :(
Dazhel
Posted 11:14am 11/11/11
How can it get rated 10 with no MP?
Dead Island has MP.


lol, yeah but Dead Island lost some review points when it won the award for "Best Butchering of an Australian Accent in a Video Game"
Khel
Posted 11:24am 11/11/11
Far out, what a year for games, thank god Mass Effect 3 was delayed till next year
Hogfather
Posted 11:29am 11/11/11
Have to say the AGN 10 is making me less sure about waiting for a bit.

GMG may get my monies yet >< Are the GUI issues (consolisms?) workaroundable or is it a controller works best deal>
Nerfy
Posted 11:30am 11/11/11
Yeah overall this game is very good. 3rd person animations have been much improved as well (jump has floppy arms!).

PC control problems are pretty annoying though, and the 3rd person switch is often non-responsive for some reason.
Reverend Evil
Posted 11:32am 11/11/11
Hmm, I'm already bored of this game. Playing on the PC and the controls feel clunky. Now if they made the controls feel like WoW then it would have been perfect. Fighting stuff doesn't feel like you are in control, well not when using swords/axes. It's like you swing and hope that it hits. Visually it looks lovely but the shitty controls let it down. And don't get me started on the inventory system.

Might get back into it tomorrow but I can't see myself finishing it.
kettels
Posted 11:34am 11/11/11
I don't believe a game should be able to get a 10/10, essentially you are saying it cannot in any way be improved.

Can't wait till exams are over so I can just sit and enjoy it.
Eorl
Posted 11:45am 11/11/11
Because this far out ranks Dead Island?

And because you can do this

Khel
Posted 11:49am 11/11/11
I don't believe a game should be able to get a 10/10, essentially you are saying it cannot in any way be improved.


Don't get so hung up on the numbers think of it as a five star game if that makes it easier. Its not saying "This game is technically perfect in every aspect and has every feature ever", its saying, as an experience, the game is fucking awesome and lives up to all of its potential and then some.
Steve Farrelly
Posted 11:51am 11/11/11
What Khel said
Hogfather
Posted 11:57am 11/11/11
The problem though Khel is that other games get 9.4, 9.6, 9.8, so its not a star system! If its to be interpreted as a star system then make it one and avoid all the discussion about it?

Skyrim's review according to the AGN rating system means that it is better than almost any other game ever released, doesn't it? How else are we to interpret it when BF3 gets a 9.8 or whatever it was?
Steve Farrelly
Posted 12:05pm 11/11/11
Basically, the experience here, the longevity, the magic system, fighting dragons, the game-world, it's emergent play et al are the best in the business. I can't think of a single game that achieves as much as this does. And yes, there are issues with it, some of which are talked about in the review or the review pros and cons, but on the whole, as a full experience, this is a 10 game. It's that simple.

As per usual, you take reviews as one person's opinion. And you always reserve the right to disagree, I just happen to think this game won't be topped for gameplay in a very, very long time.
Dazhel
Posted 12:08pm 11/11/11
Not to mention one of the bonuses of awarding a perfect numeric score to a very good game seems to have been successfully trolling this entire thread. :D
Dan
Posted 12:09pm 11/11/11
How else are we to interpret it when BF3 gets a 9.8 or whatever it was?
Use common sense to put it in the context of features that appeal to you. If you only like multiplayer games, it's not for you. If you don't like RPGs, you're probably not going to like it.

You can't compare every game with each other and you also can't really compare different reviews in a single publication with each other either because they generally written by a variety of people with a variety of tastes and a review is an opinion afterall.
Nerfy
Posted 12:10pm 11/11/11
There's a shitload of variety in clothing! Bioware should take note, with their crappy leliana's song special armour just being the normal light armour slightly reskinned...
Fixah
Posted 12:16pm 11/11/11
Noooo That means Batman Arkham City is no longer going to be GOTY!
trog
Posted 12:18pm 11/11/11
All this bullshit about game review scores is almost a perfect counter-example to that stupid debate about video games not being art
demon
Posted 12:21pm 11/11/11
swoit! not gonna read the full review till i've had a chance to get my own impressions.
prolly gonna buy this game tonight.. was gonna wait till the price came down but fuck it, i wanna shoot some arrows at monsters @!#!@ :D
Khel
Posted 12:24pm 11/11/11
Skyrim's review according to the AGN rating system means that it is better than almost any other game ever released, doesn't it? How else are we to interpret it when BF3 gets a 9.8 or whatever it was?


But thats like saying whats better, an awesome piece of cake, or an awesome pizza? You can't really compare the two, and it comes down to personal opinion a lot of the time anyway. If you like cake, then you're probably going to take the cake, if you like pizza then you're probably going to go with the pizza. If you like both, well then you have a dilemna on your hands! Or you'll just buy them both and get fat. Ok, might have stretched the metaphor too far now.
Phooks
Posted 12:26pm 11/11/11
Now if they made the controls feel like WoW then it would have been perfect.


Please never become a game dev.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 12:27pm 11/11/11


But thats like saying whats better, an awesome piece of cake, or an awesome pizza? You can't really compare the two


The score compares the products by default. A 10/10 game is comparable to a 5/10 game, otherwise what is the point of a score?

Maybe Ausgamers needs to pioneer a new system that doesn't have traditional scoring (and I'm not talking carrots). A 10/10 is a perfect game, it cannot possibly be any better, you can't have 10.1/10
Nerfy
Posted 12:31pm 11/11/11
Please never become a game dev.

I actually agree with Rev, the controls could be more fluid, and WoW is an example of an amazingly fluid pc experience with super flexibility. Can spin around the camera while running and everryyythingg.
ravn0s
Posted 12:31pm 11/11/11
prolly gonna buy this game tonight.. was gonna wait till the price came down but fuck it, i wanna shoot some arrows at monsters @!#!@ :D


get it off GMG for $54
TicMan
Posted 12:32pm 11/11/11
I think I miss something with these styles of games. I start to play a single player RPG and end up thinking this is kinda boring when nobody else can share the experience with me. MMOs have ruined me :(
Hogfather
Posted 12:33pm 11/11/11
Yeh see toll's post.

I don't see how its our fault for comparing scores when they are posted on the website .... if you don't want people to eat your bread then don't bake it ?!
Khel
Posted 12:33pm 11/11/11
otherwise what is the point of a score?


To give you a quick at-a-glance indicator of the quality of the game? Why is everyone so hung up on it being an absolute scale and comparing every game with every other game. At the very least, limit it to comparing to games within the same genre, but I wouldn't even go that far, I'd say just compare it to itself. Compare the real, released version of Skyrim to ideal "The best Skyrim experience I could want". Does the reality match up to the dream? Does it surpass it? Thats what a 10/10 means to me.
Eorl
Posted 12:38pm 11/11/11
OPINIONS, OPINIONS EVERYWHERE!
3dee
Posted 01:07pm 11/11/11
I just wanna play it. Stupid work.
Hogfather
Posted 01:30pm 11/11/11
To give you a quick at-a-glance indicator of the quality of the game? Why is everyone so hung up on it being an absolute scale and comparing every game with every other game

Because its there. Because its a metric, and metrics invite comparison.

You don't personally see it that way but lots of people see it differently obviously. If there was a 5-star system where every game that was over 9.5 in the current system received a 5 star rating we wouldn't have this discussion because the system would be doing what its apparently supposed to (the quick glance summary thing). You could even add a special gold stamp or something if the reviewer thought it was GOTY material.

Instead we have games ranked all the way from 9.5 to 10.0 via a decimal scale which as noted invites comparison and discussion. Its easy for AGN to stop publishing reviews with 0.1 difference if they don't like what that does, but being frustrated at the readers of the site for wondering (not ranting, just wondering and discussing) why one game gets 9.7 and another gets 10.0 seems silly to me.
Crakaveli
Posted 01:29pm 11/11/11
I'll be booting this up tonight/tomorrow after i build my new pc (woot). I really hope it kicks oblivions ass because i really didn't enjoy that game much, after coming from morrowind (and playing the living hell out of it) it just felt empty.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 01:32pm 11/11/11

Why is everyone so hung up on it being an absolute scale


If it is an arbitrary system, why bother using numbers or a scale of 0-10? Why not just say it is a superb game, an excellent game, bit of a dud and so forth? I would think that if the numbers don't really mean anything, why not use something that does?
Tollaz0r!
Posted 01:34pm 11/11/11
Anyway, we've derailed the thread enough even without talking about 4WD's let us discuss Skyrim and make a new thread for scoring if we must.
Nerfy
Posted 01:35pm 11/11/11
I'll be booting this up tonight/tomorrow after i build my new pc (woot). I really hope it kicks oblivions ass because i really didn't enjoy that game much, after coming from morrowind (and playing the living hell out of it) it just felt empty.

This is already far better than Oblivion, the imperials are the imperials again, and not same lame generic fantasy knights. :D
Khel
Posted 01:36pm 11/11/11
If it is an arbitrary system, why bother using numbers or a scale of 0-10? Why not just say it is a superb game, an excellent game, bit of a dud and so forth? I would think that if the numbers don't really mean anything, why not use something that does?


I entirely, 100% agree. This same argument comes up in nearly every single review, and I've agreed with it in the past. But numbers from 1 to 10, or a percentage out of 100 is what we have, so I work with it.
Hogfather
Posted 01:50pm 11/11/11
Anyway, we've derailed the thread enough even without talking about 4WD's let us discuss Skyrim and make a new thread for scoring if we must.

Just bought the fucking thing.

Will be back later tonight / tomorrow to rage about controls on PC. Maybe someone can do that photoshop pavey was talking about :P

Edit: actually I didn't buy it, GMG website fucked up and took the money but didn't respond to the paypal url so I didn't get a key. FFS. Rageface.
Ha
Posted 01:43pm 11/11/11
All this bullshit about game review scores is almost a perfect counter-example to that stupid debate about video games not being art


Name me one other art form graded numerically. It is a stupid system. Star ratings if you must, otherwise an entertaining informative discourse on the subject would be better.

Now, onto skyrim, I played morrowind an awful, awful lot and oblivion for about 3 hours before I realised I didn't give a shit.

With that in mind, will I like skyrim? Opinions please.
trog
Posted 01:52pm 11/11/11
Name me one other art form graded numerically. It is a stupid system. Star ratings if you must, otherwise an entertaining informative discourse on the subject would be better.
Star ratings are numeric ratings. Don't be confused by the shiny glittering star! Thus: movies, music, books, etc.

The uselessness of a score, or a review for that matter, is that it is entirely subjective and people have different opinions on things that are "good" and "bad" when it comes to art (or anything else in which things like goodness and badness are completely subjective things and there's no actual quantitative way of measuring them).

The fact that this game got 10/10 for me here or anywhere else is utterly useless to me, because the game for me is a zero - or probably more accurately, it would be "N/A" - because the game doesn't have multiplayer and I am really only interested in multiplayer games. The score, and the review, reflects one person's judgement on the game.
thirdparty
Posted 01:52pm 11/11/11
I think going beyond a whole number only serves publishers, and hurts everyone else. Pubs use it to brag to the street (or press), on the whole normal fans don't care about 0.4 difference (I am not talking about anyone reading this, I mean people who buy games at retail...)

Seriously, the only people who will care if game A gets 9.x and game b gets 9.y are the folks in marketing or the industry. These forums and many others have been full of fanboys crying because game A scored less than game B or vice versa, who gives a flying fork, 0.whatever makes not a lick of difference, is it awesome? Steve's 10 says yes and so I am buying it.



Ha
Posted 01:59pm 11/11/11
I disagree that stars and numerical values are the same. Stars, as symbols, can mean anything and are entirely subjective. 10/10 = 1, a whole number, perfect, fucks with people aspergers.

Howard Stern understood this and used a guy in the KKK to rate movies about black people with nooses and burning crosses. What does it mean? Fuck all, he's a crazy racist, let's laugh.
demon
Posted 02:06pm 11/11/11
i rate this product 3 stars, 2 nebulae & 14923746127341083412 hydrogen atoms!
kappa
Posted 02:17pm 11/11/11
Rubber chickens are clearly the answer.
trog
Posted 02:20pm 11/11/11
Someone just pasted this on IRC, pretty funny:

Eorl
Posted 03:22pm 11/11/11
Ninja'ed by trog.

Skyrim map is so beautiful, and rendered in real time to.

kettels
Posted 02:48pm 11/11/11
Someone just pasted this on IRC, pretty funny:


That is ingenious, reminds me of FO3 I believe where you could pick up the items and put them in a bucket then walk away with the bucket and take the items once you were out of sight.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 02:55pm 11/11/11

i rate this product 3 stars, 2 nebulae & 14923746127341083412 hydrogen atoms!


ASIF it is clearly 3 stars, 2 nebulae & 14923746127341083411 hydrogen atoms!
Tanaka Khan
Posted 02:56pm 11/11/11
Really loving this game atm...vast improvement over Oblivion. Had no hassles at all (touch wood), can see myself spending countless weeks playing.
Hogfather
Posted 02:56pm 11/11/11
Surely we're talking about red dwarfs here, apples with apples people.
ravn0s
Posted 03:42pm 11/11/11
played about 3hrs. loving it so far and i'm still in the first town you get to.
carson
Posted 03:48pm 11/11/11
I broke and got it. Downlarding slowly now.
Nerfy
Posted 03:52pm 11/11/11
Stealing video was pretty amusing.

After several hours I've finished one quest, and a few side things, it's pretty rad.

Also, Has anyone worked out how to move objects? the Z button in Oblivion did that. I want to move stuff around.

Hold down e on the item for a sec.

Now, onto skyrim, I played morrowind an awful, awful lot and oblivion for about 3 hours before I realised I didn't give a shit.

I loved Morrowind, was pretty underwhelmed with Oblivion (though did enjoy it for a little bit), Skyrim is, so far, absolutely fucking fantastic. :D There's the slightest hint of Oblivion'ishness in the way people move, but it feels a lot more like a sequel to Morrowind. There's no undiscovered quick travel either, which is nice.
slamma
Posted 04:21pm 11/11/11
Good review steve.am enjoying the game very much.every now and then a game lives up to the hype.cheers
Tollaz0r!
Posted 04:23pm 11/11/11
How is the horse handling?
ravn0s
Posted 04:30pm 11/11/11
heh noticed that if you do a headshot with the bow, it does more damage.
arc
Posted 04:39pm 11/11/11
fuck this. I'm bout 1/2 way through RAGE. I have BF3 and sitting on my desk with hardly any play time and now this. gonna have to kick the mrs out soon.
Trauma
Posted 04:46pm 11/11/11
Hahaha stealing vid is gold. Now I want it a bit more.
Howler
Posted 04:47pm 11/11/11
Why won't this goddamn clock move any faster? Must...get....home....kill ....dragons..

I bought the game today on the back of this review. Still into Dark Souls and BF3..so much digital goodness!
Thundercracker
Posted 04:49pm 11/11/11
I remoted into home and the game is updated and ready to play.

*taps fingers on desk*
BladeRunner
Posted 05:05pm 11/11/11
I saw something funny last night and took a video of it.

cJay
Posted 05:21pm 11/11/11
Moral dilemma! Just updated my PC with new hardware for BF3.

Should I get this for PC or PS3?
Crakaveli
Posted 05:24pm 11/11/11
PC for mod support i'd say.. Maybe get yourself an xbox controller for pc or something.
Fixah
Posted 05:36pm 11/11/11
Talkin of which, I have an extra genuine xbox 360 wired controller brand new in the box sitting here, anyone want it for $40 let me know.

3dee
Posted 06:00pm 11/11/11
This is on Ultra with 4xAA, 16xAF running around 25-30fps at 1920x1080. It's not quite as impressive as it could be on PC but hey.



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Steve Farrelly
Posted 06:05pm 11/11/11
I'm stoked everyone is back on topic, but I need to broach a single review scores criticism. First and foremost, specifically at AusGamers, not a single publisher calls any shots. We chose the percentage-based review system because, outside the 10 of you who hate it are a host of gamers who like multiple genres and only have a small amount of cash to spend. This year, look around you: Triple-fucking-A titles everywhere. The shops are no good, forums are full of rabid fanboys and you have no idea out of 4 Triple-A games which two to spend your money on. So, incrementally scored reviews at least give an idea - if trends or ideologies about said games resonate, you make an INFORMED decision
Hogfather
Posted 06:11pm 11/11/11
So you ARE saying that the percentage system is to allow cross game, cross genre comparison?

* headsplosion *
3dee
Posted 06:18pm 11/11/11
ravn0s
Posted 06:27pm 11/11/11
how the fuck do you get into whiterun? the guards keep killing me :/
DM
Posted 06:30pm 11/11/11
This game is freakin massive. I have spent the entire day doing nothing but mage quests (only managed to actually DO like 3 of them) and exploring. I've uncovered, maybe 30 landmarks and they only take up the smallest area in the top right of the map.

I'm rocking a destruction/conjourer build mage. Can make my own sword to attack with and then summon a flame antioch to help me attack so thats awesome. Currently looking for a better companion though so i'm starting to trek to other cities to look for help. Still getting a few random CTDs though.
Steve Farrelly
Posted 06:43pm 11/11/11
Hogfather, it's relative. You can't look at each and every review as some kind of absolute. We're educated gamers who write about what we see and play, but we're hardly in a position to specifically tell you what you like. Ergo, the point of a review is based on the game's relevance to you. If, for example, you're an RTS fan, you're (which I know you are) you're going to chime in more on Kosta's review of, say, Dawn of War than maybe, say, Red Dead Redemption (for argument's sake).

One has scored higher than the other. Does that mean the higher scoring game DEMANDS your attention, despite it not being part of the genre you love? Frak no, it means you read the pros and cons, weigh it up against the overall TONE of the outlet you're reading from (and yes, we have a tone here), and make the same informed decision I mentioned earlier. Using the same example, what you might learn is that Red Dead Redemption is so good, despite your usual (for sake of argument) dislike to said genre that it requires some attention from you and may, or may not, open an entirely new door.

As a videogame product, and yes, there is a broad brush stroke and as a gamer you should be well aware one exists, I stand by my score. As an RPG, it's for the hardcore, as an action game, see the point prior... and so on
Dazhel
Posted 06:47pm 11/11/11
That is ingenious, reminds me of FO3 I believe where you could pick up the items and put them in a bucket then walk away with the bucket and take the items once you were out of sight.


Haha I loved that bug.. in the weapons shop in New Vegas there were 12 dudes standing around while I looted the lot!
3dee
Posted 06:54pm 11/11/11
Show your character, y'all...



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Tanaka Khan
Posted 06:54pm 11/11/11
Now if they made the controls feel like WoW then it would have been perfect.


Seriously Rev you have to stop comparing things to WoW. I bet when you finally lose your virginity you'll compare it to WoW and say it wasn't that good.
Steve Farrelly
Posted 06:56pm 11/11/11
nope, he had someone else farm it ;)

(oh snap! sorry Rev, it was there for the taking)
jconradr
Posted 07:07pm 11/11/11
I am a buff nigga Redguard with a white mohawk and white face tattoos... Time to bring the pain and crush some skulls, Skyrim style (PC)!
Nerfy
Posted 09:36pm 11/11/11
I like the part where it's good.

This game is looking to be really frikkin massive and endless, just spent ages hunting butterflies - and I don't even know what they do, there was just so many of them.
Phooks
Posted 07:41pm 11/11/11
PLEASE REMEMBER SPOILER TAGS!

Seriously I have exams, so none of that! :)
DK
Posted 07:51pm 11/11/11
If I didn't like dragon age will I like this?
rrrocket
Posted 07:58pm 11/11/11
lookin to buy this tonight, gmg still the go? not region locked?
DM
Posted 08:05pm 11/11/11
Behold the most badass dragon in all of skyrim. RUBBER FOAM DRAGON!
link

My awesome looking lizard mage (it's the helm that does it, worth like 3000g too!)
link
ravn0s
Posted 08:14pm 11/11/11
lookin to buy this tonight, gmg still the go? not region locked?


yes and nope
ravn0s
Posted 08:22pm 11/11/11
argh wtf is going on? everywhere i go i get attacked. villagers and guards etc just attack me for no reason. i havent killed any innocent people. is this a bug?
3dee
Posted 08:26pm 11/11/11
< is this a bug?

No, it's just your glowing personality.
ravn0s
Posted 08:27pm 11/11/11
dunno wtf is going on. thought guards were supposed to run up and arrest you. not kill you.
Eorl
Posted 08:34pm 11/11/11
Some guards attack on sight depending on situation. I have successfully converted my girlfriend to Skyrim, so that's a positive there, now she won't complain when I spend more time slaying dragons.

My character is a High Elf Mage/1 Hander, loving the Nord weapons, sooooo cool.
ravn0s
Posted 08:37pm 11/11/11
it wasn't jsut guards. it was everyone, even villagers.

finally found a guard that would arrest me and paid a fine.
DM
Posted 08:46pm 11/11/11
If anyone need more proof shambler is a troll account... yeah mystery solved.
Grundar
Posted 09:06pm 11/11/11
Enjoying the game a great deal so far, for me at least it harkens back to the wonder of Morrowind. Without launching into a Morrowind vs Oblivion debate, for me Morrowind had a greater sense of wonder, danger and that sense of adventure that Oblivion had a far less tangible hold on. So far Skyrim is offering that Morrowind "feel" and I don't think it's just because it is new terrain, you simply want to quest and explore (as in Morrowind and not in Oblivion where the 85th Oblivion gate like the other 84 is blocking your progress :P )
Eorl
Posted 09:31pm 11/11/11
Agreed Grundar, the amount of freedom is amazing. And so many quests god damn. I had to restart my character as my GF saved over my quicksaves :( Really need to stop just quicksaving, and actually save as well. Also, the keyboard menu support is amazing now that I've grasped it. I can do everything so much quicker then clicking with the mouse. I like it a lot.

This is a screenshot my GF took, quite amazing.

Tollaz0r!
Posted 09:27pm 11/11/11
For now, the most important tweak has to do with the fact that VSync is automatically on and can't be disabled from within the game. This not only reduces FPS, it also introduces mouse lag. To disable VSync in Skyrim, add iPresentInterval=0 to the bottom of the [Display] section of the Skyrim.ini file in the \Users\[Username]\My Documents\My Games\Skyrim directory.


Mouse Lag ftl.
Nerfy
Posted 09:36pm 11/11/11
If I didn't like dragon age will I like this?

It's very different than dragon age. Bioware games are about the characters/tactics(if any)/story/epicness.

This is about voiceless character roaming and exploring.

Mouse Lag ftl.

Ohh, I'ma try that.
Eorl
Posted 09:59pm 11/11/11
It's very different than dragon age. Bioware games are about the characters/tactics(if any)/story/epicness.

This is about voiceless character roaming and exploring.


TES games have always been about the core RPG experience, stats, roaming, exploring, quests, characters, epicness, story, dragon slaying, amazing scenery, everything is going about it's own business etc.

If you like old school RPG's, then Skyrim is definitely for you. If you like Fallout 3 or New Vegas, you'll like this, as it's similar, and has a magic twist to it.
carson
Posted 09:59pm 11/11/11
I'm only in early days. Still feels like Oblivion. Was expecting more graphically on PC on ultra, but gfx aren't everything!

Playing as a cat-man-stealthy-magic-archer guy. I like dual wielding spells. Don't like the weapon selection but getting used to it.

Just got to the first town, so hoping for some epic random questing and forgetting about the main story until much later. :D
ravn0s
Posted 10:40pm 11/11/11
6hrs in and just killed first dragon
Tollaz0r!
Posted 10:46pm 11/11/11
As for sound stuttering I did this:

control panel - sound - playback tab - right click speakers (or whatever has the green check mark) - properties - advanced tab - 24 bit, 44100 Hz (Studio Quality)


I had mine set higher, since changing to that I haven't had any crackling. However I havn't stepped into any crowds of more then 4ish people talking since changing it though.

P.S. tweakguides is doing up a guide.
BladeRunner
Posted 10:53pm 11/11/11
Hey DM, Verify integrity of Skyrims cache if you keep seeing weird things. I am using a 360 controller using a "Chinese K-mart" adapter I got off ebay. It feel it works better with the controller.....which is sad, I did not buy an $80 keyboard to use my 360 controller on skyrim. I have noticed that darkness......does not seem to be very dark. I was hiding in plain sight from a guy, if he could not see me, he must have cataracts.

Also no one commented on my video :( their tales are moving when dead!!!!

Aside from a few things, it is a awesome game.

My Nord Sneaky-1hand-some magic guy.
carson
Posted 11:01pm 11/11/11
I'm getting in to it a bit more. The dungeons are pretty lush and fun to explore! Though the random crash to desktop makes me a sad kitty-man guy.
Eorl
Posted 11:16pm 11/11/11
I've found the UI quite appealing actually. It works well with keyboard, using D to go further into a menu, A to go back, E to accept, R to drop, Tab to open up main windows, J for Journal, M for Map etc. You can still use the mouse, but it's definitely better with the keyboard. I'm loving the favourite system, so much easier to micro manage. Press Q while running around for the Favourite menu, and while in your sub menu say, Spells, just press F to favourite it. Makes on the fly changing much better then the 0-9 keys that Oblivion used.

Graphics are still quite breath taking. They have done things well with background scenery, and especially the lighting. It's absolutely gorgeous to look up at a mountain, and see swirling storms of wind and snow.

Quests are brilliant. Very engaging storylines, interesting and well thought out. NPC's are hilarious with their dilagoue and at the same time moving and threatening. Stats are thought out, simple yet important. The skill trees are amazing. So much detail has gone into making everything unique. It will be very hard to get anyone similar to you, it's just that diverse.

Overall, I am glad I bought this game, as I was initially going to pirate it, as from what I had seen, it looked very "consoled". But boy was I shown otherwise. Bravo to Bethesda for making a very, very engaging RPG.
konstie
Posted 11:24pm 11/11/11
ahhh i should not have bought this from ozgameshops... can't wait :(
qmass
Posted 12:03am 12/11/11
It would be nice if AG actually set up a decent method of scoring so that good games got 7-8, great games got 8-9 and GOTG(eneration) games got 9-9.9 (shouldn't be possible to get a 10)
Nerfy
Posted 12:43am 12/11/11
I'm loving the favourite system, so much easier to micro manage. Press Q while running around for the Favourite menu, and while in your sub menu say, Spells, just press F to favourite it. Makes on the fly changing much better then the 0-9 keys that Oblivion used.

I can't find a good key mapping that I like which also allows me to map favourites. :/

Had completely forgotten about the previous TES's 1-9 usable buttons, holy shizen why don't we have those? It'd be much better imo. Now I know why I'm struggling to switch between blades and bows, I used to just have 2 and 3 mapped to those.
Eorl
Posted 12:51am 12/11/11
Trust me, once you get use to favouring things in the sub menus of your inventory, it is so much easier to just hit Q, scroll with W or S, and click left or right on the mouse. It is just heaps faster, which I know doesn't make sense when all you had to do in older TES games was hold down the key, but it just works, and well.
d^
Posted 12:55am 12/11/11
I'm amazed at how awesome the game runs on such an old machine.
darkjedi
Posted 12:57am 12/11/11
2 hours in and I'm enjoying this far more than I did Oblivion. The fact they've simplified the character class piece alone makes me a happy camper as it is.

One thing I've noticed though is that the left & right seem to be mixed up - am I just a muppet or does the game map the left button to the right hand & vice-versa?
Eorl
Posted 01:05am 12/11/11
The left button is mapped as if your a right handed, the right button is mapped for left handed. Like in most games where they use melee, left click will swing for you as a right handed.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 01:31am 12/11/11
I swapped them around, and now when I try and select weapons and whatnot, the game gets a bit confused and half the time I equip the right item in the wrong hand.


Spoiler:

Loving it so far, I still haven't got to the first village. I killed some chick bandit boss, burned the crap out of her while she was in her bed haha. Walked away with some pretty phat loot for such an early part of the game.

3dee
Posted 01:37am 12/11/11
Starting to get used to the interface. Still a little vague when equipping your items but hey.

Spoiler:
Also, I like that the hard enemies are... hard. I stumbled upon a frost troll or whatever it was and I couldn't make a dent. Same with some giants. They didn't attack me, but when I shot at em, one smack and I was flying 50 feet in the air.. Dead.
Feltcher
Posted 02:24am 12/11/11
Wow!! 20 Hours of gameplay in and I actually found an oblivion gate. Turns out all the dragons came from oblivion!!! I never would have thought.
straw hat hippie
Posted 02:28am 12/11/11
This game is fuckin horrible prefer tetris
Khel
Posted 04:45am 12/11/11
This is a dangerous game, I can see myself spending many, many, many hours playing this. Loving it so far, already feels soooooooooooooooo much better than Oblivion, I love how the levelling and progression is done in this, and how you don't really choose a class but can switch those different statues on and off to help you focus on different skills. I agree Eorl about the menus too, using the hotkeys makes it really fast to do stuff, I find them really quick and easy to use.

It took me a while to get the mouse feeling right, I had to tweak the ini file to turn off vsync and turn off mouse acceleration, then I had to play around with the ingame sensitity to find which combination of ingame sensitivity and mouse dpi felt best. I started off with the dpi on my mouse up really high, and the sensitivity in game down really low, and that felt good while running around, but the menus seem to have their own sensitivity and don't use what you set in-game so whenever I was in a menu my mouse was way way too sensitive. Ended up using a pretty low dpi on my mouse, but the sensitivity in-game on max and thats feeling pretty good.

A couple of odd things I've found so far, is everyone in that first town you go to (the river one) keeps telling me I look sick when they walk past and they're like "Are you feeling ok? You look terrible" and stuff like that, EVERYONE is saying it. But to the best of my knowledge, I'm not sick at all. I dunno if its cos I collected a whole shitload of different herbs, berries and parts of animals and then ate them all to see what would happen, maybe its given me aids or something.

The other thing was a rather interesting exploit that I took full advantage of. The guy in the first town who can teach you archery, if you do a quest and stuff for him and get in his good books, he'll join you as a companion. And when you have a companion, you have full access to their inventory and can take whatever you want out and put it in your inventory, and vice versa. So I waited till I recruited him as a companion, spent 2k training archery, went into his inventory and got my 2k back :P
Feltcher
Posted 05:23am 12/11/11
Hey Khel. Did you fight any vampires yet? Because you might be infected with vampire disease. That's what they usually say. Try having a sleep and see if you get infected. It usually takes a few days for it to come on. But vampire is pretty fun in itself.. I quite enjoy it..

Has anyone noticed the lack of stats in this.. such as no acrobatics and stuff.. they reworked the system which kinda pissed me off.. can you never max acro anymore so you can jump onto roofs and stuff??
Mosfxx
Posted 06:57am 12/11/11
Spoiler:
I went into the second town and set off on the quest to get the Golden Claw


Bloody awesome game, my girlfriend said to me last night "Oh are you playing Skyrim, I heard there is like 400+ hours of gameplay and you can't finish it..." Was that her telling me "noooooooooo"
ravn0s
Posted 09:34am 12/11/11
Wow!! 20 Hours of gameplay in and I actually found an oblivion gate. Turns out all the dragons came from oblivion!!! I never would have thought.


thanks for the spoiler dickhead



how are you supposed to know where to go for misc quests? markers never show up on the map and the quests are very vague on what to do.

last edited by ravn0s at 09:34:42 12/Nov/11
Nerfy
Posted 09:52am 12/11/11
The other thing was a rather interesting exploit that I took full advantage of. The guy in the first town who can teach you archery, if you do a quest and stuff for him and get in his good books, he'll join you as a companion. And when you have a companion, you have full access to their inventory and can take whatever you want out and put it in your inventory, and vice versa. So I waited till I recruited him as a companion, spent 2k training archery, went into his inventory and got my 2k back :P

Heh yeah I stole his bow too... That being said, I discovered last night that I could also pickpocket the money from just about anybody, and got a few hundred off him. Pickpocketing is insanely overpowered, and is raising my levels like mad too.
Kudos
Posted 10:07am 12/11/11
Bought it, like it, but feel a bit disappointed. Guess that's what I get for riding the hype train. Still, closing my door and saying goodbye to sunlight for the rest of my weekend.
Eorl
Posted 10:09am 12/11/11
Rav, press J, and you can mark your quests to show on the map.

I don't give a rats ass if people say the graphics aren't amazing. I have never been so amazed at the scenery, or been so breathtaking.

Tollaz0r!
Posted 10:11am 12/11/11
I swear most player characters in RPG are Psychopaths.

"o Hi, sweet magical bow. I'm going to take it from you now. o what you noticed, I'm going to kill you now and take it, I would have done that first but I didn't want to waste my time killing all the other town folk because I want to go and walk into a random encampent and slay all those there because I think they might have something shiney."

"O, btw, when I'm done there I might come back here and steal everything"
Mosfxx
Posted 10:49am 12/11/11

A couple of odd things I've found so far, is everyone in that first town you go to (the river one) keeps telling me I look sick when they walk past and they're like "Are you feeling ok? You look terrible" and stuff like that, EVERYONE is saying it. But to the best of my knowledge, I'm not sick at all. I dunno if its cos I collected a whole shitload of different herbs, berries and parts of animals and then ate them all to see what would happen, maybe its given me aids or something.


I get the same, are you playing as a Dark Elf?
DM
Posted 11:16am 12/11/11
Spoiler:
There are also werewolves. I've come across one who gave me a ring to decurse and long story short, I chose not to kill him. But if I HAD I think I would of been given the option to become one as the ring is still in my inventory and says "gives more changes for werewolves".

Also I found an old man mage who will become your companion if you help him clear out a town of the source of its nightmares. I chose to betray him and take the item at the end. So far i've found 3 real companions not counting the ones you can buy or win over in fist brawls. Warrior, Mage and now I learned about that Archer guy.



EDIT - OH and while I remember, I cannot recommend enough getting conjurer up to at least 40 so you can take the "soul drain on bound weapon hit" perk which is only 3 levels in. This makes attacking with a summon weapons cast soul drain on your target every hit, so you will capture their soul when they die if you have a big enough soul gem. Just pick up every one you see and you will soon have a near infinate source of enchanted weapon recharges!

I'm using this on my conjurer/destruction mage and you have no idea how awesome it is that I have like 20 filled soul gems.

last edited by DM at 11:16:46 12/Nov/11
Hogfather
Posted 11:30am 12/11/11
Still waiting for Green man to fix my checkout problem. They have the money but i have no key because their system fucked up when paypal sent me back to them. They sat on the ticket all day yesterday UK time and didn't do a fucking thing, I disputed the charge as directed at paypal and nothing, and their system won't let me try to buy another key.

Not happy, probably won't use them again. The dodgy russian guys refunded my money already ><
ravn0s
Posted 11:47am 12/11/11
A couple of odd things I've found so far, is everyone in that first town you go to (the river one) keeps telling me I look sick when they walk past and they're like "Are you feeling ok? You look terrible" and stuff like that, EVERYONE is saying it. But to the best of my knowledge, I'm not sick at all. I dunno if its cos I collected a whole shitload of different herbs, berries and parts of animals and then ate them all to see what would happen, maybe its given me aids or something.


you sure you're not sick? they only say that if you're diseased. go to i think magic and then affected to see what's wrong. you need to use a potion or shrine to cure diseases.
DM
Posted 12:25pm 12/11/11
Yeah you sure you didn't contract the vampire disease? They only need to use that blood siphon spell on you to infect you randomly. I wonder if Spoiler:
when you become vampire of werewolf if there is a quest line about a blood feud going on between them. That would be awesome
Eorl
Posted 12:53pm 12/11/11
How we do spoilers again? I recruited that elf dude, gave him a Nord frost bow and Nord axe.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 01:17pm 12/11/11
use spoiler tag and /spoiler tag
DK
Posted 01:21pm 12/11/11
This is a complete single player game yeah? no multi?
ravn0s
Posted 01:24pm 12/11/11
This is a complete single player game yeah? no multi?


Feltcher
Posted 02:11pm 12/11/11
I've always reckoned multi would be insane in a game like this. Why the hell not? Too hard to do.

Oh and if you shoot a dragon DIRECTLY in the eye with a bow, it dies instantly. WOOH
Tollaz0r!
Posted 02:16pm 12/11/11
Feltcher, use Spoiler tags you douch.
skythra
Posted 02:16pm 12/11/11
Was watching Day9 play it this morning around 6am for a while, thought it might be ok.. I dunno, maybe i'll wait till christmas for this 10/10 game. Probably a steam special nearby then.
ravn0s
Posted 02:23pm 12/11/11
it will probably still be more expensive than gmg though.
deadlyf
Posted 02:41pm 12/11/11
Still waiting for Green man to fix my checkout problem. They have the money but i have no key because their system fucked up when paypal sent me back to them. They sat on the ticket all day yesterday UK time and didn't do a fucking thing, I disputed the charge as directed at paypal and nothing, and their system won't let me try to buy another key.

Not happy, probably won't use them again. The dodgy russian guys refunded my money already ><
What happened? It went through like you bought it but they didn't email you a key and it isn't listed in your account as a game you've bought but somehow you can't buy another copy either? You'd think if you can't buy a copy because it thinks you own the game already then surely it would be listed in your account info on the site.

But maybe something else is going on.
ravn0s
Posted 02:50pm 12/11/11
hogfather did you check the key tab in your account? it might be there.
Sosuke
Posted 02:55pm 12/11/11
JB's selling it for $63 If anyone's interested, it's cheaper than OGS and save you 20+ days of waiting for it to arrive.

http://www.gamespot.com/showcases/elderscrollsV/images/index.html?image=72&image_id=1566614&overridePid=615803
Eorl
Posted 02:56pm 12/11/11
Holy fuck, Feltcher shut up please. You are ruining the damn game.

Also, everyone, YOU CAN HOTKEY! Go into your favourites, and click 0-9 on whatever you want. Ta da!
ravn0s
Posted 02:59pm 12/11/11
cheers for info eorl

pcgamer has posted some tweaks for the game.
Raven
Posted 03:12pm 12/11/11
I've still got a pile of games unplayed.
I've only just finished AC2; I tried Prince of Persia Forgotten Sands, and it was shit, and I'm only slightly more impressed with Arkham City.

I think I'll be picking up Oblivion from the bargain bin before Skyrim.

last edited by Raven at 15:12:15 12/Nov/11
Tanaka Khan
Posted 03:38pm 12/11/11
Way to go Eorl, that little tit bit made things just a little bit quicker!!!
Nerfy
Posted 04:31pm 12/11/11
Game of Thrones meets Skyrim (Game of Thrones + Skyrim intro spoiler)

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I've barely even made a dent in this game, which is bad bad bad. Must get back to work now.
Khel
Posted 04:39pm 12/11/11
You should skip Oblivion and go straight to Skyrim Raven, its superior in every single way and its not like the stories really follow on or anything.

And mad props Eorl, thats an awesome tip
Khel
Posted 04:56pm 12/11/11
I get the same, are you playing as a Dark Elf?


Yeah I am, maybe they just don't like Dark Elves?

I think some of the achievements are glitchy too, cos I completed that Barrow den with the golden claw in it, and it even says its cleared on my map, but never got the achieve for it.
Eorl
Posted 05:00pm 12/11/11
Yeah I am, maybe they just don't like Dark Elves?

I think some of the achievements are glitchy too, cos I completed that Barrow den with the golden claw in it, and it even says its cleared on my map, but never got the achieve for it.

Might be other stuff, as I've got the same thing.
Khel
Posted 05:14pm 12/11/11
Is it possible to disease yourself by eating random reagents? Cos I've eaten some pretty weird shit. How do you tell in the active effects if something is a disease, of if its just a temporary effect thats going to wear off?
ravn0s
Posted 05:18pm 12/11/11
red means bad
Khel
Posted 05:35pm 12/11/11
But is everything red a disease? Isn't there some temporary debuffs that wear off on their own? Cos if thats the case, then yeah, I have some kind of disease that makes it 25% harder for me to pick locks. I guess its like parkinson's or something.
Steve Farrelly
Posted 05:40pm 12/11/11
Khel, yeah, you can disease yourself, and also some atronochs can poison you as well as other dudes. Because you can poison your own equipment, enemies can also do the same. Any shrine will cure a disease though, as well as a cure disease potion.

Also, you'll get the Achievement for Barrow Den after you speak to the Mage in Winterrun because there is another quest in there, but you likely already picked up the item on your first venture through
Eorl
Posted 06:09pm 12/11/11
You will see when you go to eat something, it will say it's affects, if they are bad, they will be red and will have, I believe, a #s indicating if it goes away after awhile.
Nerfy
Posted 06:45pm 12/11/11
Under the spells menu, there is an active buffs/debuffs thing, though it didn't seem to show some debuff that was draining my archery for a while. Shrines didn't fix whatever that was either, but it's gone now.
deadlyf
Posted 06:47pm 12/11/11
When a dragon comes out of nowhere and starts circling around above do you have to be not fail at shooting to get it down or is it just a, hey look a dragon moment?

I had one pop up when I was running around like an idiot chasing butterflies (unfortunately no joke) and I kept firing at it but it just circled around a few times got bored and flew off. I was a bit disappoint.
Nerfy
Posted 07:45pm 12/11/11
I haven't managed to shoot one, but it seems that you maybe just have to get high enough for them to notice.
fpot
Posted 07:58pm 12/11/11
Was someone talking about Skyrim beating MW3 in this thread?

clicky

Skyrim is doing very well in the sales department it seems.
Eorl
Posted 08:29pm 12/11/11
Haha deadly, trust me, my character must look so retarded in full steel armour running around trying to catch dragonflies.
ravn0s
Posted 08:36pm 12/11/11
But is everything red a disease? Isn't there some temporary debuffs that wear off on their own? Cos if thats the case, then yeah, I have some kind of disease that makes it 25% harder for me to pick locks. I guess its like parkinson's or something.


yep that's a disease. i had the same thing and i used a cure disease potion and it went away.
Dazhel
Posted 09:45pm 12/11/11
I think I'll be picking up Oblivion from the bargain bin before Skyrim.


I'd agree with Khel, but the intention is to sneak a game of Oblivion in before playing Skyrim ruins it forever perhaps?
ravn0s
Posted 10:08pm 12/11/11
a dark brotherhood assassin tried to kill me. i kicked his ass.
deadlyf
Posted 11:09pm 12/11/11
Just killed a dragon, no big deal.

Dunno what you do with the scales and bones, they are starting to drag me down with the weight.
Tanaka Khan
Posted 11:16pm 12/11/11
Sell them...I've nailed 3 dragons so far
ravn0s
Posted 11:25pm 12/11/11
im guessing you would be able to craft armour with them too
d^
Posted 11:32pm 12/11/11
steam stats show Skyrim has 200k+ players. Amazing, it's good so far for me.
Thundercracker
Posted 11:58pm 12/11/11
Biggest problem I have at the moment is finding places that sell spells. My basic flame/cold/spark spell isn't cutting it any more against the larger monsters.
BladeRunner
Posted 12:58am 13/11/11
I feel a bit overwhelmed at the moment. Im lv15 and have only just got to the Old farts on the mountain. So many quests randomly thrown at you. Might start a new character. Also having trouble with classes or lack there of. I want to pigeon hole myself into a rogue character but its hard. I am just an annoying Nord in Light armour with a mace who also uses spells.

Maybe I need the prima guide, I can buy the online version for $26.99 USD. Have not come across any Vampires or warewolves.
Nerfy
Posted 01:30am 13/11/11
Biggest problem I have at the moment is finding places that sell spells. My basic flame/cold/spark spell isn't cutting it any more against the larger monsters.

You can buy them in books, specifically from the court mage guy in the big hill city place with a court mage.

feel a bit overwhelmed at the moment. Im lv15 and have only just got to the Old farts on the mountain. So many quests randomly thrown at you. Might start a new character. Also having trouble with classes or lack there of.

I'm trying to get up that hill, and keep getting distracted along the way, and am now level 26... I think I've done maybe two actual quests...

I want to pigeon hole myself into a rogue character but its hard. I am just an annoying Nord in Light armour with a mace who also uses spells.

I tried to be anything but a sneaky rogue, since it's what I always am, and made a nord for the warrior win, yet now I am a sneaky bow and arrow killing machine again somehow, because it's just too awesome.
DM
Posted 01:33am 13/11/11
I tried to be anything but a sneaky rogue, since it's what I always am, and made a nord for the warrior win, yet now I am somehow again a sneaky bow and arrow killing machine because it's just too awesome.

Conjurer gets Bind Bow so you can go mage and get summonable elementals as well as bow attacks which come with free arrows, free soul drain on attack and later get auto kill/turn undead on attack as well for your weapon. Not sure if it links with archery perks but add onto the already OP spell the 100% damage, crits and all the other stuff you get, thats a winner.

I have my mage which is Lv 21 or 22 and is a conjurer/destruction and is the Arch-Mage of that college. Right now i'm leveling a Lv 14 kitty thief and going dual wield. Not using any companions just yet so it's going well. Lots of backstab action. If I ever feel the need to make another character it'll be an Orc 2H'er who has some healing spells on him.

last edited by DM at 01:33:10 13/Nov/11
deadlyf
Posted 01:39am 13/11/11
Yeah I'm a badass archer, when shit gets in melee range I pretty much just shoot face instead of equipping a melee weapon like a sane person would. My companion loves getting in my way though, I think I've killed them a few times now.

Highly recommend seeing the old farts, they teach you a bit about dragon shouts that can be handy.

I noticed that if you get to 100 in smithing you can make dragon armour, might hold on to my dragon bits for awhile yet.
BladeRunner
Posted 02:39am 13/11/11
While I'm here, MODS http://www.skyrimnexus.com/

I think I will start again, Being rogue-ish does not seem to be useful. I am thinking Spell/heal warrior in Plate, Sword and Board. Dual weilding would be better if you could actually block attacks like normal. I dislike the newer dual system, Mouse button 1 should just attack in a pre-determined way and mouse button 2 should block.
Khel
Posted 02:41am 13/11/11
Yeah, I told my companion to stay behind, never took him with me, I figured the companions would be fucking shit and annoying as per Bethesda tradition. Also don't want him cramping my style while I'm trying to sneak around.

I'm using destruction magic and a 1h melee weapon, with light armour and sneaking and bows. Seems to be working out well and its quite fun. Most of the other magic I don't really care about, healing magic is for pussies, I just wanna blow shit up.
deadlyf
Posted 03:48am 13/11/11
Companions = pack mule
Eorl
Posted 07:58am 13/11/11
And any companions that you can pay to increase your stats, you can recruit them and get the money back. Yay for free stat levelling!! Loving it so far, girlfriend has played it more then me though, she got to kill a dragon first :( I'm just way to encapsulated with the world and it's surroundings, everything is so beautiful.
Mosfxx
Posted 09:19am 13/11/11
I've created three different characters now as I am still trying to find what play style I want to go down.

Nord Warrior I arrived at the second village and decided to start again and give something that wasn't so generic a crack.

Dark Elf Destruction mage, I was running around with a dagger and flame until I discovered you can equip dual spells, very powerful stuff and is my favorite character so far.

Just created a Wood Elf going to go with the whole Archer/Thief class so I will see how that goes.

Also on the second play through I didn't realise Spoiler:
You have a choice with the Stormcloaks or Imperial
pretty awesome.

Overall I'm addicted to this game I love how the Race you choose isn't as constricting with the relevant class as Oblivion was ie a Orc found it hard to be a warrior, where in Skyrim any class can be anything it's just the race attributes that help such as a WoW class.
D-Sub
Posted 10:00am 13/11/11
I started with a wood elf archer and decided to roll a nord warrior instead. Don't really have the patience for sneaking around. Now I'm thinking an imperial paladin like character. Heavy armor, greatsword plus heals. It's cool how you can make your own class instead of just picking one from a list.
ravn0s
Posted 10:10am 13/11/11
im level 9 and already heading up the mountain to see the greybeards. i've only seen one dragon so i figured i have to continue the story for more to show up.

my archery is level 40 something. it's awesome 1 shotting enemies from the shadows.


Also don't want him cramping my style while I'm trying to sneak around.


when you go into sneak mode, they go into sneak mode too. also you can just tell them to wait there while you go ahead to scout.


does sneak level up just by being in sneak mode, or do enemies have to be around?
DM
Posted 10:33am 13/11/11
a dark brotherhood assassin tried to kill me. i kicked his ass.

So far i've had both assassins and a group of thugs come after me.

does sneak level up just by being in sneak mode, or do enemies have to be around?

Sneak levels up when you are sneaking around people, stealing while in sneak mode and attacking again while in sneak mode. Mine is up around 46 and looking forward to 50 as daggers will do 15x normal damage.
Thundercracker
Posted 10:46am 13/11/11
Cheers Nerf. I just discovered that the apprentice level of spells aren't even available at the vendor till you can cast them, so it's worth checking the dude once your spell schools level up. Also, you can see what "level" the spell is from the spell menu, it will display "Novice","Apprentice" etc.

Now that I'm using higher level spells and have invested in making those spells cheaper through the perks, I have a lot more pew pew power.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 11:04am 13/11/11
I'm playing on Expert mode.

My character is finding it a little tough to beat people up without exploiting the AI. I have to jump up a mound and take pot shots/hit and run while they run around the long way, then jump back and forth.

Those 3 thugs I couldn't take on alone. Granted I was using a stock Iron Sword at the time because I'm a tight arse and don't want to use resources grinding up a nice blade.

Also how to you smelt ore? Got a stack of ore and metal bars, maybe I'll perk up smiting and enchanement for lols.

I figure you need some sort of smelter but can't seem to find one.

I've got the location of a dragon/shout I found from a book, going to explore that soon. When I beef up a little. I don't think I cant take a dragon alone if I cant take on 3 thugs.

last edited by Tollaz0r! at 11:04:36 13/Nov/11
Pirroh
Posted 11:21am 13/11/11
You can find a smelter at Whiterun outside the blacksmith.
icewyrm
Posted 11:29am 13/11/11
I can see the thread has moved on a bit, but just wanted to add something about the review ratings - I propose a different angle on this.

Rather than this being a metric of the games quality, perfection, features etc, think it of a recommendation value.

If he gives it a 10/10, it means he is wholeheartedly recommending it, that he thinks it's worth purchasing, and that if he bought it he would have no regrets about spending the money.

While the value given can reflect the other considerations indirectly this is in my opinion the essence of the scoring system.

If he gives a full 10 to 2 different games, it doesn't mean they both have equal framerate, perfect controls, an amazing story, or incredible cinematic footage (for example). It means they are both games he would 100% recommend to you if you walked up to him and asked him about them. Am I on the right track?
demon
Posted 11:35am 13/11/11
rockin game :D the weird console-esque binds do seem limited n weird at first but easy to get used to.
the world is just soo lush... i haven't really been following the main quest... just wandering around finding random encounters & clearing them.

the alchemy is a bit weird. there doesn't seem to be any way of detecting what ingredient goes with what & ya end up wasting half your ingredients trying combos out. well i did :P

i went wood elf archer... i was gunna go argonian but they have lost their water-breathing & poison immunity it seems. that was the reason i went argonian in oblivion. loving the archery + sneak... just like i did in oblivion :D
trog
Posted 11:51am 13/11/11
Am I on the right track?
perfectly
Rohan
Posted 12:04pm 13/11/11
I have my first exam this wednesday and I won't be finished 'til Thursday week...

...I HATE YOU GUYS D:
arc
Posted 12:32pm 13/11/11

the alchemy is a bit weird. there doesn't seem to be any way of detecting what ingredient goes with what & ya end up wasting half your ingredients trying combos out. well i did


lol same!

Wicked game so far. Ive rolled a Dark Elf with single handed/Archery/Alteration/Illusion/Alchemy

Fucking amazing how it all works. I didn't give a shit about the whole nordic cilvil war shit and went off to find my place within the Dark Elfs and weirdly enough met a random in the middle of nowhere who pointed me to this massive ancient dark elf Statue hidden in some mountains. Once reaching the place after an epic hike, there was one hooded dark elf preist who told me some shit like 'fate had brought here and some story about my destiny" .. I'm sold.

Now.. to rise up to take over the world..

(damn thing is so time consuming though.. I'm planning this campaign to go over atleast 2 years :P)
Khel
Posted 12:55pm 13/11/11
The alchemy is a bit weird. there doesn't seem to be any way of detecting what ingredient goes with what & ya end up wasting half your ingredients trying combos out. well i did :P


If you eat them you find out at least one of their effects, and theres a perk in the alchemy tree that lets you find two effects when you eat something. Of course, you then stand the risk of giving yourself parkinson's disease like I did.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 01:51pm 13/11/11
Are you cured of that Khel?
Mosfxx
Posted 02:06pm 13/11/11
lol so much stuff to do in this game, has anyone just belted through the story and finished that game yet?

On that does the Story quests adjust to your level, so it is always a challenge?
Still Try'n
Posted 03:48pm 13/11/11
every numb will say COD is the samething over and over but skyrim isn't , now thats a lol
ravn0s
Posted 05:23pm 13/11/11
anyone had the annoying bug where you cant exit a conversation when hitting tab? it's happened to me a few times i and just mash keys until it finally exits.
Hogfather
Posted 05:25pm 13/11/11
every numb will say COD is the samething over and over but skyrim isn't , now thats a lol

o_0
Tollaz0r!
Posted 05:43pm 13/11/11
They don't say that because a new Eldar Scrolls game isn't released in yearly increments.

Sosuke
Posted 06:05pm 13/11/11
every numb will say COD is the samething over and over but skyrim isn't , now thats a lol


There's no improvements from MW1 to MW3, still holds the record as a shortest SP FPS game. 3hrs on regular, 4 hrs on veteran and so on. Battlefield 3 is better in every aspects, graphic, sound, gameplay, multiplayer mode.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 06:18pm 13/11/11
Yer great, but this is a skyrim thread.
Eorl
Posted 06:37pm 13/11/11
Keep the trolling out people. As for the dialogue sometimes not letting you tab out, seems to be a bug, have to wait for it to get you out otherwise alt-f4
BladeRunner
Posted 06:55pm 13/11/11
So I got a Redguard dude now. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/tesv2011111303245915.jpg/

Going Sword and board for the most part but time will tell where I end up.

Bonus image http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/tesv2011111303381449.jpg/
d^
Posted 07:24pm 13/11/11
Had a few bugs so far, one ctd and some other annoyances. I'd open a door to a room in a house etc and items would explode off of the shelves and go everywhere?!?
assag
Posted 08:07pm 13/11/11
Had a few bugs so far, one ctd and some other annoyances. I'd open a door to a room in a house etc and items would explode off of the shelves and go everywhere?!?


Yeah that happens to me with every house i go in.
DM
Posted 08:13pm 13/11/11
Fixed my random crash issue I think. Been playing a few hours no crash. Go into your sound options in control panel, then whatever your selected sound device is hit properties, then advanced tab and make sure that "16bit 48000hz DVD quality" is selected.

As for my characters my mage is still 21 and havn't played him today. My thief which was 18 is on a bit of a halt, I made an Orc who is a 2 hander beast. Nothing he can't destroy in seconds. But while he is lv 15 or so I made YET ANOTHER character and this time going full archer and going to turn her into a vampire. Anyway here are 2 pictures.

Check out this fucking awesome sword (on my mage, not a conjured item)
link

This is my Orc 2H'er.
link
ravn0s
Posted 08:31pm 13/11/11
he uses a rat man as a sword?
Eorl
Posted 08:32pm 13/11/11
Holy crap killed my first dragon, and got to use a shout, was AWESOME!
Khel
Posted 09:08pm 13/11/11
Why are you adhereing so rigidly to old character archetypes DM? Not critcising, I'm just curious, cos one of the best things about Skyrim for me is I don't need to be a Mage, or a Thief, or a Warrior or whatever, I can be a dude who swings around axes, throws fireballs and can stealth and suprise attacking people with bows, all on the same character. I think their classless system is absolutely awesome!
Tollaz0r!
Posted 09:34pm 13/11/11
Aye so far this game hasn't crapped out my character.

Usually for 'classless' games there is still the warrior,theif,mage type set up and if you deviate you find yourself with a sub-standard character that cant use any of the good items in the game and ends up just plain sucking compared to if your 'classless' character went the full wairror route and so on.

I'm hopeing that Skyrim doesn't punch me in the nuts for not going a full mage/thief/warrior type character in later game.
Eorl
Posted 09:34pm 13/11/11
And the perks/stat tree is amazing enough that it brings huge amounts of diversity.

Also, found this on Reddit, explains from some guys perspective why Skyrim is better then Oblivion, which I agree with: http://www.reddit.com/r/truegaming/comments/ma6y2/8_hours_in_here_is_an_anecdote_to_illustrate_why/
JaBBa
Posted 09:44pm 13/11/11
Mosfxx
Posted 10:05pm 13/11/11
anyone had the annoying bug where you cant exit a conversation when hitting tab? it's happened to me a few times i and just mash keys until it finally exits.


Yes, if you actually click the 'Tab-Exit Conversation' in the lower right hand corner with the LMB it will clear the conversation.
ravn0s
Posted 10:58pm 13/11/11
haha fuck i'm stupid for not even thinking of doing that.
ravn0s
Posted 11:00pm 13/11/11
Also, found this on Reddit, explains from some guys perspective why Skyrim is better then Oblivion, which I agree with: http://www.reddit.com/r/truegaming/comments/ma6y2/8_hours_in_here_is_an_anecdote_to_illustrate_why/


wait how did he have lydia help him kill the first dragon when you only get her as a companion after you kill the first dragon? i think he confused her with the dark elf chick
DM
Posted 11:43pm 13/11/11
I had multiple characters to try out the different styles of play before deciding what I should do. However i've run into a game crashing bug that triggers every time, stopping all progress with the brotherhood. 1st contract crashes me every time I get close to the target. Dunno whats up with this but it actually gives me an error message saying the .exe errored or something. So guess I won't be doing that.
Khel
Posted 12:19am 14/11/11
Yeah, I was just wondering why you don't mix it up a bit more, like a mage that also wears heavy armor and can wield big 2h weapons. Embrace the freedom!
skythra
Posted 12:43am 14/11/11
Um, My Lydia chick got injured, and now she crawls around. I'm only level 6 and just reached the top of mountain where the greybeards are. On the way up, where you get attacked by the troll, a dragon came straight after and lydia nearly, but didn't quite die, but she got pretty close. Now she crawls everywhere and I don't know how to stop it other than say I think it's time we parted ways.

Halp.

I haven't been keeping up with this thread I only searched for the name lydia to see if it came up. because i'm not far i don't want to spoil stuff.. i wasn't even going to buy it but one of the less reputable cd key sites had a good enough price.. PS: She's at full health...

Edit: nevermind fought some troll and after she got attacked she stood up.
Before this point i rested more than 24 hours, in an inn, gave her some potions and stuff, cast courage on her.. but yeah then she just stood up after she got hit in the face..
slamma
Posted 01:02am 14/11/11
haha just fought 3rd dragon and fell off a cliff into a nest of yeti's needless to say i got chewed up and spat out.gotta luv it.cheers
Viper119
Posted 01:45am 14/11/11
I just got given Lydia, but when I ask her to follow me she says it looks like I already have someone with me and doesn't, but I don't have any other companions!?

Awesome game, having a great time so far. Took a while to get the mouse sensitivity sorted, but no crashes or major bugs.
BladeRunner
Posted 03:10am 14/11/11
I am temped to buy the prima guide on their site for $26.99 but its on the website, no download. Its cheaper then $48 at EB or $35 USD from ebay coming from New York. Also has anyone played other games since getting Skyrim?

Recorded this on my first character.

deadlyf
Posted 03:55am 14/11/11
So how do shouts work exactly? I've learnt a few but it says I need dragon souls to use or unlock them. I've killed a bunch of dragons and absorbed their souls but so far everything but the first two shouts you get are greyed out.
Mosfxx
Posted 07:41am 14/11/11
You need to delve deeper into the main quest chain.
Eorl
Posted 08:43am 14/11/11
I'm now a heavy armoured mage, who can also use 1 hander/shield. God I love this game so much.
Crakaveli
Posted 08:50am 14/11/11
I'm finding it hard to figure out who the quest givers are, apart from that the game is awesome. So much better than oblivion.
Eorl
Posted 08:57am 14/11/11
I'm finding it hard to figure out who the quest givers are, apart from that the game is awesome. So much better than oblivion.

People that respond to you when you walk near them usually are. As in, if they pipe up saying "hey you, dragonborn, got something of interest". Or if they are talking to another NPC, they'll say they are having a problem or something.
3dee
Posted 09:21am 14/11/11
I've gotten past the greybeards' lesson but haven't gone off to do the third word quest yet. Been wandering around. Did the archery learning trick in Riverwood.

I'm with Khel. Skyrim makes it better to be multi-skilled, though I need to work on my magic skills more. I'm pretty good with a sword/shield and really good with a bow.

How well do you take down trolls and giants by the way? I'm not sure what level I am, but I have to look around for surrounding ledges and high points to be able to take them out and it usually takes a lot of arrows and if they can hit me, I'm usually dead pretty quick. I have a (fine) Nord bow thing, with nord and orcish arrows and a skill of about 50 something.

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ravn0s
Posted 09:21am 14/11/11
some npc's will even come up to you and start a convo. just walk around and talk to everyone. most of the time you can tell if they have a quest by the convo options you can choose from.


DM
Posted 09:34am 14/11/11
So how do shouts work exactly? I've learnt a few but it says I need dragon souls to use or unlock them. I've killed a bunch of dragons and absorbed their souls but so far everything but the first two shouts you get are greyed out.

This stumped me for ages until I noticed that you need to push R on the shout you want to buy when you have a dragon soul. Each shout costs 1 soul.
Eorl
Posted 09:51am 14/11/11
Okay what the hell. Everytime I go to the Jarl after killing the first dragon, after talking about how I am Dragonborn, everyone suddenly turns against me. Something is triggering them to attack me, and I don't know why.

Oh yeah, then it crashes if I try to leave the hall. What the fuck...
ravn0s
Posted 09:54am 14/11/11
you might have accidentally killed a guard when fighting the dragon
Eorl
Posted 09:56am 14/11/11
Oh yay...
ravn0s
Posted 10:03am 14/11/11
was going to suggest trying to instantly travel to another location to bypass the crashing, but i don't think you can do that from inside buildings.

do you have a previous save? you should always have multiple saves for these types of games.
fpot
Posted 10:05am 14/11/11
You could probably use a console command to transport yourself.
Fixah
Posted 10:13am 14/11/11
I'm not an RPG fan (mainly because I just don't have the time for em), but they say this is one of the best RPG's ever.

should i play this game?
deadlyf
Posted 10:13am 14/11/11
This stumped me for ages until I noticed that you need to push R on the shout you want to buy when you have a dragon soul. Each shout costs 1 soul.
Cheers! I'm glad I asked as I was thinking I was either bugged or needed to find a quest or something.
How well do you take down trolls and giants by the way?
Haven't fought a giant but with my first troll, the one on the path to the Greybeards, I was only like level 7 and didn't have any of the higher perks that really increase your damage. After dying close to a million times trying to get past him by trying to bow him down I found out if you melee him you can just kind of bob back and forward between his big attacks and wear him down.

Now I just cheese it and shoot them from a distance, 3-4 shots and they are down.
Eorl
Posted 10:14am 14/11/11
Yeah all good, apparently if I wait 3 days it fixes it, I presume the karma dies away
demon
Posted 10:36am 14/11/11
Had a few bugs so far, one ctd and some other annoyances. I'd open a door to a room in a house etc and items would explode off of the shelves and go everywhere?!?

i had that happen once in an undead dungeon & one of the crypts exploded when i walked into the room & sprayed bones all ever the place... scared the crap outta me :D i didn't realise it was a bug & did a shitload of searching around to try n find out what caused it.

i had some trouble with that ice troll near the greybeards. i was lvl9 & first 2 times it killed lydia & i. 3rd time i gave it everything.. poison, fireballs, sparks, arrows, buffed up on health n stamina, melee'd with a flaming 2-handed sword & i still used 11 minor health potions :P~

in some random undead dungeon i can't remember i encountered this undead that looked pretty much the same as a regular draugr but it was super tough !@! it killed lydia & i about 8 times then i decided to leave the dungeon n come back with more levels under my belt.

sneak archery sniping (with the zoom perk) rules. :D lovin' the whole game so far n i've only touched on such a small part of the map. fell off that huge mountain the greybeards are on & died a few times. game needs a wingsuit for gliding off that huge mofo :D
Dazhel
Posted 10:43am 14/11/11
should i play this game?

Yes.

I'm not an RPG fan

...wait, No.

(mainly because I just don't have the time for em)

...err, then Yes.

but they say this is one of the best RPG's ever

Yes and No.
...Maybe?
Eorl
Posted 10:41am 14/11/11
Figured out what was causing everyone to attack me in Dragonsreach. I had set a Fire Rune on the ground ages ago, and someone kept walking across it, causing it to light them on fire and thus make everyone kill me.
Dazhel
Posted 12:47pm 14/11/11
^ lol Eorl

game needs a wingsuit for gliding off that huge mofo


Too right. I kept looking at the mountain thinking... hmmm, I should scale that thing when I get to a high level or something. Then every starts telling me that the big noise I heard was just my pager going off.

Uhh... righto, so you want me to climb that thing right now? Off I go then!

Edit:
I'd open a door to a room in a house etc and items would explode off of the shelves and go everywhere?!?

Yeah I've had this happen a few times - the physics engine can be pretty glitchy. First time scared the crap outta me, but most often now it's some annoying thing that keeps rattling around in the room while I'm trying to talk to an npc.

I've also walked past what looked like a human femur floating about 50m up in the air outside of Whiterun. No way to confirm what it was because I couldn't get close enough, lol.
Any
Posted 12:31pm 14/11/11
Had my first major bug. Companions quest line is broken after completing the "Blood's Honor" quest. Seems quite common unfortunately, and no fix has been found. Heaps more quests for me to do in other parts of the game, but it still really sucks.
Trauma
Posted 02:13pm 14/11/11
So, I've set mouse 1 to left hand and mouse 2 to right hand, this works as expected for combat but it still thinks it's the other way around for equipping stuff to each hand, worse still I cannot equip anything to my right hand and mouse 2 equips to left hand. This is rather game breaking.

I plugged my xbox controller in (which disabled KB & mouse) and it worked as you would expect. Key binding is not what I would call well supported.

Edit: Seems I'm not alone, already a mod to fix it.
Eorl
Posted 03:24pm 14/11/11
Note to self, can't shout in the villages or else you will get arrested. Presume there is some kind of "turn shouts off after 11pm".
defi
Posted 03:43pm 14/11/11
After all the positive feedback, I am defs getting this game.
Khel
Posted 03:50pm 14/11/11
Yeah, the reversed Mouse 1 for right hand and Mouse 2 for left hand thing confused me at first, but I didn't change it cos it ended up making more sense to attack with left mouse button, felt more natural.
Bah
Posted 05:24pm 14/11/11
I tried switching them, but then using a shield felt stupid, why couldnt they have just made shield default to the right hand.
ravn0s
Posted 05:28pm 14/11/11
because no one is leftie in skyrim
kappa
Posted 05:33pm 14/11/11
I ended up buying this on xbox. And fark its awesome. I'm still trying to make time for it since I'm trying to juggle bf3 as well.

I've only finished the first dungeon and killed the first dragon but wow, great game. And this is coming from an rpg noob (my wow yrs dont count imo).

Can't wait to keep exploring. This game is huge!
BladeRunner
Posted 06:02pm 14/11/11
So I was walking around with Lydia just derping around when. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/802/tesv2011111405451869.jpg/

Lydia and I killed a giant....she got smashed and went rocketing up into the air. I kited the giant around some trees and killed it. Was not really worth it though. Died a few times to kill it.

Currently on my way to see the old farts now.

I have found weapons floating above a bandit I killed a few days before.

Spoiler:
I found some Silver Hand dudes who really don't like warewolves. They had a bunch dead in their castle thing. One live one that I unlocked the cage door for, it attacked me so I killed it.


last edited by Nathan at 18:02:51 14/Nov/11
Nathan
Posted 06:03pm 14/11/11
Use <spoiler> tags please
DM
Posted 07:14pm 14/11/11
I was looking at some of the mods to come out and this one caught my eye. Changes things for the better IMO as I always find bethesda games too bright and not dark enough. You can edit all the settings so about the only thing i'd change is the sharpness and drop it a tad but here are some before and afters.

Before
link

link

Linky
Nathan
Posted 07:22pm 14/11/11
You will get a spell and its description will be like "Causes humans and creatures up to level 9 to run away for 30 seconds"; but from what I can see you never see the level of enemies? Seems weird to me; if not displaying enemy level is a design choice why would spells then explicitly refer to the level?
ravn0s
Posted 05:04pm 24/11/11
i prefer the more muted colours in the before image.

also



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last edited by trog at 17:04:43 24/Nov/11
Khel
Posted 07:30pm 14/11/11
Yeah, I prefer the before image as well, it seems more atmospheric and feels colder (which I would guess is the intention). Warm colours just don't really work in Skyrim, the after screenshot looks like something that would be more at home in Oblivion.
Eorl
Posted 07:36pm 14/11/11
Especially the farm one on the link, looked terrible. Way to cartoony. Loving the atmosphere and the graphics and everything. It all just looks so good. Not Crysis good, but still damn good for a DX9 game.

Also screw the glitch, just type player.additem F #ofgold and your done.
Vash
Posted 07:41pm 14/11/11
Just started playing and into the first town, and it definitely doesn't deserve a 10.
The voice acting is fucking horrible, the graphics, while the landscape & dungeons look great, character animations & graphics arent quite up to scratch.
The writing also isn't keeping me engaged.

I think the witcher 2 is the better game.
Eorl
Posted 07:57pm 14/11/11
Doing it wrong Vash. Let the game take over you. Become the Dragonborn.

Also, dragons like horses. Fucker stole my horse, there goes 5k gold.
Dazhel
Posted 08:05pm 14/11/11
Also, dragons like horses. Fucker stole my horse, there goes 5k gold.


That dragon must have been from Hammerfell
taggs
Posted 08:28pm 14/11/11
ugh, gonna have to cave and pick this up soon.

can't browse my precious internetz without seeing skyrim everywhere, looks very awesome :(
Eorl
Posted 10:52pm 14/11/11
It's good taggs, so many hours to put in

Children aren't swords!

Hogfather
Posted 11:00pm 14/11/11
Vash doing it wrong as usual.

Ridiculously awesome game.
Viper119
Posted 11:53pm 14/11/11
Man I was just coming out of Whiterun, and randomly saw a dragon fighting a few mammoths and a giant!

Also WTF on giants!? Like one hit and I'm dead.

What FOV are people playing with on monitors? I've got a 24" but heard the default FOV is designed for bigger TV's so want to change it but am not up on FOV's.

The game world is pretty immense, I'm level 12 but haven't gone up to the greybeard's yet.. doing NPC and Brave Companion quests.

last edited by Viper119 at 23:53:30 14/Nov/11
samatt
Posted 12:55am 15/11/11
Nice review guys, totally agree the game just sucks you in. Depth and quality of the world is awesome. Was actually totally underwhelmed by the first 30 mins or so, but it's all good after that.
Khel
Posted 01:05am 15/11/11
I've done hardly any of the story, I haven't got inside whiterun to talk to the Jarl yet and I'm level 9 and been playing for like 8 hours. Its like Fallout 3, I'll start heading somewhere, then new icons for new locations pop up on my radar and I just can't help myself, I have to go check them out. Then MORE pop up so I have to go check those out too, then I end up off in some random place nowhere near where I was sposed to be going.
Vash
Posted 01:07am 15/11/11
Yes the game is nice... but a 10? It just doesn't deserve it.... IMO.
Witcher 2 for the fucking win, the dialogue, writing, graphics, everything, is better, in the witcher 2.

The only advantage skyrim has is an abundance of content.
samatt
Posted 01:39am 15/11/11
Yeah Witcher 2 was really good.
Viper119
Posted 05:33am 15/11/11
Hogfather
Posted 08:30am 15/11/11
So last night I kill my first dragon and I'm standing in the hall getting my accolades when I accidentally hit 'z' and popped the king dude and his mate on their arses! Did not end well ...
deadlyf
Posted 09:02am 15/11/11
I accidentally hit z all the fucking time! I have my audio up quite a bit too for ambience, at some point I don't think it will surprise me any more but that point has not yet occurred. I usually do it when I'm creeping through a dungeon and I think about wanting to change my shout so I think I'm hitting q for favourites but instead I hit z and either zoom forward and make a big noise or just make a big noise and alert everyone to my presence.

This game needs outfits, I'm collecting all these different sets of gear but it's such a hassle to switch between them for different occasions. Like +speech gear for speaking with merchants or +stealth gear for creeping or +bow gear for sniping, if I could favourite entire outfits and hotkey them it'd be a lot easier.

That said, I'm loving the minimalistic approach to the HUD. That and the natural way of acquiring quests without people having a big ! above their head is really helping to suck me into the game.
Eorl
Posted 09:09am 15/11/11
I don't think Witcher 2 has what Skyrim has for me personally. I couldn't get into Witcher 2, what with lack of good PC parts, and just the whole world and UI felt very clunky (compared to Skyrim, much to peoples say) and non-immersive. Shit was just going on way to much. That and the combat was utterly terrible. No real "choice", no real meaning to upgrading your character, everything was very stagnant. I looove Skyrim, because you can do whatever the hell you want. There is so much more of an open world compared to Witcher 2. I'm level 10 and haven't even gone to see the Greybeards yet up in the mountain, just roaming round being badass and helping people. You could never do that in Witcher 2.

Also, here is a really helpful guide to getting Skyrim looking absolutely amazing http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451616
3dee
Posted 09:10am 15/11/11
Yeah I need to remap the Z key. My laptop style Apple keyboard gives me the shits with the Fn / CTRL key thing.
3dee
Posted 09:11am 15/11/11
I wish the Giants were bigger. Like 20 foot or something.
d^
Posted 09:35am 15/11/11
287,411 player peak on steam Insane stuff, I've been enjoying it.
Thundercracker
Posted 09:43am 15/11/11
The end boss of the mage college quests is so fucking hard. I basically had to cheese my way through the fight.

Lydia my tank died in the process, but I can't be fucked reloading and doing that fight again. Time to find someone else!
Morgan
Posted 09:46am 15/11/11
I'm not an RPG fan (mainly because I just don't have the time for em), but they say this is one of the best RPG's ever.

should i play this game?


Hey Fixah,

I'm loving Skyrim but don't think it'd be for you. There is action but it's still a very slow paced/involved game. Some get caught up in the fantasy and others find it boring. You won't be finishing the game in 15 hr or less.
Mosfxx
Posted 09:54am 15/11/11
I've been playing my Wood Elf Archer/Thief I was using Heavy Armour so I could take that extra hit while dual wielding in melee fights when the bow just wont cut it, but I didn't like the fact I couldn't block attacks and died quite often so I opted for the 1H + shield combo. With the Heavy Armour it hasn't impacted my ability to sneak the only draw back is the medium Armour has all the stamina and archery bonuses with it, as a result I have switched to medium Armour.


I just joined the Empire side and got their gear which should help me questing around the place done stuff all of the main quest chain
Eorl
Posted 10:01am 15/11/11
Spoiler:
Found a random place up in the mountains, near the Skyforge, massive Labryinth, it's sooo cool. It's amazing how much depth they have put in. Haven't even seen the Greybeards yet, just doing so much more.
demon
Posted 10:15am 15/11/11
heh eorl, i passed through labrynthian that had a few frost trolls roaming around outside it. i killed 3 frost trolls but Lydia got owned & died. no way i was gunna go inside that dungeon without some more levels ;p (lvl 11 atm).

there was also a cave i passed n there was an eerie moaning sorta noise in the air & the mouth of the cave was surrounded by mammoth & giant bones... didn't go in there either :p i hammered a giant with arrows n spells for ages from a vantage point on a cliff face where the giant couldn't get me & it regenerated it's health faster than i could take it off :(
Tollaz0r!
Posted 10:19am 15/11/11
Mosfxx, perhaps you should think about boosting your enchant skill up. Then you can enchant heavy armour with all the stuff you want, winrar!
fpot
Posted 10:28am 15/11/11
I can't help but smile when Vash critiques a games writing (which isn't great but is pretty good) after he has posted his 6000th SHOCK ANTI-BROWN PEOPLE article from newsdotcomdotau which he has fallen for.
Eorl
Posted 10:48am 15/11/11
Haha Demon, just got out of it then, was level 10. Survived, barely. But there is some sweet stuff in there. Spoiler:
There is a new shout, and 4 magic staffs, each worth between 200-1500 gold, and some items in the corners of the labryinth, including a crown that decreases magic cost on all magic classes. Also at the end, when you fight the illusion dude, he drops a mysterious wooden mask.


Also, been enchanting a heap of stuff, just have to find better soul gems to get more bang for buck. Renaming stuff is handy, got Steel Armour of Destruction and Steel Boots of Magic etc. Nice to put your own touch on things.
demon
Posted 10:53am 15/11/11
swoit :D i'll be back!
it's nice how once you've fully cleared a dungeon/encounter it marks it as "cleared" on the map. coz i've passed over about 5 so far but it's nice n easy to see later which ones i need to revisit.
BladeRunner
Posted 11:18am 15/11/11
Would be cool to name your own potions. You could name a healing potion....Potion of sexual healing or some such.

I wonder why Bethesda did away with Leg Armour. I want leg armour back. Also would not mind the ability to choose my stats to level up and not just Magika Health and Stamina.

Found another 2 companions.
Spoiler:
In the banned mare in Whiterun there is a women with plate looking armour, she says she can not be beaten in a fight. Fight her and if you win you can ask her to join you. In the Drunken Huntsman there is a Dark Elf woman in leather, you can ask her aswell.
deadlyf
Posted 11:43am 15/11/11
Wait so your companions can actually die? Normally Lydia just hunches down injured and the beasty comes after me. If she died who would carry all of my shit?

I actually find it a bit annoying that you can't really customise your companion, you can give them gear to wear but you can't fiddle with their stats to make them stronger in a particular area that your own character is weak in. Or even have them level abilities that they use a lot while questing with you, for instance my sneak is to a point where I can stand almost on top of someone and they won't spot me but they spot Lydia from a fair distance out. That and when she engages an enemy she will always stand in my line of sight and then complain when she gets shot in the ass.
Khel
Posted 11:56am 15/11/11
Will companions wear armor that you give them?

it's nice how once you've fully cleared a dungeon/encounter it marks it as "cleared" on the map.


Yeah, I love that too, cos I discover heaps of places but don't necessarily go inside and do them right then and there. Theres a couple of places though that I'm sure I've been all the way through, that aren't marked as cleared on my map, so I wonder what thats all about. Maybe it means theres a quest in there to come back and do later?
Eorl
Posted 11:59am 15/11/11
They are kind of like a already sorted companion. They specialise in something, usually whatever they can train you in. For instance, Faedal (spelling?) specialises in archery, Lydia is 1 hander/shield etc. And yeah, companions can die. That's why I like to quickly dual healing hands and zap her back up, works a treat.

Man am I so badass. Made my full set of Elven gear, holy crap is it amazing, and so light! Now to enchant it with destruction increase and magicka increase.

ravn0s
Posted 12:06pm 15/11/11
i haven't done any crafting cept some smithing/armour making for a quest.
DM
Posted 12:39pm 15/11/11
Few things...

Spoiler:
That Wooden mask can be used in a certain area (which I believe is in the labrithine area but not actually INSIDE the building). Pretty sure it's where you find it and it teleports you back in time to a room you can't leave but is FILLED with empty chests so you can store stuff there. Good for horders who dont have a home yet.


Companions can die yes if they get hit hard and fast enough. Usually they drop to the floor and say I yield and the monsters will run after you but some give zero fucks about this and will continue to beat on them until they are corpses then you are fucked.

Spoiler:
There is a companion you can find at the entrance of a ruin on the way to that town before the greybeard 7000 step climb. Also there is a mage guy up in Dawnstar who will follow you after you do his quest. I'm using him since he is a mace/firebolt/flame guy. Even carries a torch when it's dark!


finishing the mage college quest line gives you armor and a necklace so good you'll never need anything better as far as I can tell. Anyway here are my 3 characters.

link
demon
Posted 12:55pm 15/11/11
Wait so your companions can actually die? Normally Lydia just hunches down injured and the beasty comes after me. If she died who would carry all of my shit?

heh, i didn't even know you could use a companion as a pack mule :p i had Lydia cop it sweet a few times but she always got back up once i killed the beastie. after i killed the 3 frost trolls i went over to Lydia's body n i'm like "poke poke... c'mon get up!" but she was totally dead ;) i lol'd.

i love funny bits like that... like i was in this tomb with some guy who was complaining a necromancer was in his family tomb... we find his dead aunt who had gone in to stop the necromancer & after looting her corpse i am having a bit of fun swinging the corpse round & round & the dude is looking at me & says "i hate to think how that necromancer is DEFILING THE BODIES OF MY RELATIVES !@#!" lols

so... dual heal spells you can heal your companion? i didn't know that either! :p
deadlyf
Posted 12:52pm 15/11/11
My smithing is up to level 60, I'm keen to see what I can use these dragon scales on and you can get some massive improvement on your gear. It's been bugging me that I get a sword with some cool enchant that only does 18 standard damage when I have a non-chanted sword that does 25 that I've improved on the grinder, now I have the perk for improving chanted gear though so I have a fiery sword of death that doesn't hit like a limp noodle.

I want to get enchanting up as well so I can make better chants for my gear but I can't really part with the perk points at the moment.

Will companions wear armor that you give them?
Yep, they have their own gear and you can't see what that is but as long as what you give them is better than what they have they will equip it. But it also counts towards the weight they carry as well if you are using them as a pack mule. Now that I have my own place in Whiterun I have a place to store my shit so I decked out Lydia in some plate steel armour. She also returns to your place if you ditch her anywhere so you can pick her back up there which is handy.
Viper119
Posted 12:56pm 15/11/11
Eorl, wheres this Labyrinth? Sounds cool.

I'm on the last quest for the Brave Companions I think, still haven't visited the greybeards.

Have found some random places, ranging from bat shit crazy witches to those green leaf tree monster things.

skythra
Posted 12:56pm 15/11/11
I wish the Giants were bigger. Like 20 foot or something.

Then the game would be silly. They'd be more imposing than a dragon, hence the game would make no sense.

Although that said, it was easier killing dragons than it was killing a giant. Even though I specced hard into mage fire, i still find it hard to kill trolls, and frost trolls especially so.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 01:10pm 15/11/11
Demon, the spell is healing hands, different to the heal you start with.
Khel
Posted 01:35pm 15/11/11
Yeah, I found one of those tree monster things last night, fucked its shit up.

Also found some Ice Wraiths which were pretty awesome, but they owned me till I had the bright idea of using fire magic on them instead of the shock magic I normally use, and they didn't like that at all, bitches went down hard.
Thundercracker
Posted 01:52pm 15/11/11
Wait so your companions can actually die?


This surprised me as well. Basically when they hunch down the mobs will stop attacking them, and once out of combat they will get back up. But if they get hit really hard or take damage while hunched down, its lights out :/
demon
Posted 02:07pm 15/11/11
cheers for the tip tollaz0r :D i really haven't pushed restoration skill much at all... been doing alchemy & have dozens of healing potions. where are you guys getting new spells from? finding them at random or buying them in towns?

viper : labrynthian is up in that huge mofo mountain that the greybeards are on... but it is more towards the northern slope... kinda on the other side of the mountain from the greybeards. there are about 3 paths up that mountain that i have found & one of them you have to go through labrynthian.

this game totally deserves is stevey 10 rating :D
Khel
Posted 02:24pm 15/11/11
Theres a brewery outside Whiterun, and upstairs theres like this locked room, and you open the door and inside is a harder locked door, and you open that and inside is an expert level locked door, and then inside that room is a lockbox with an expert level lock. I got them all open and then the lockbox was EMPTY. Broke so many lockpicks getting the expert locks open too :( Got like three levels in lockpicking though just from doing that, so it wasn't a total waste.
Eorl
Posted 02:33pm 15/11/11
Sounds like either a test room Khel, or maybe quest related? Found you could fake some bookings to get money or something.

The labyrinth is near the Skyforge quest, kind of in the middle of the map, I'll get a screenshot.
Hogfather
Posted 02:41pm 15/11/11
(slight spoiler for first couple quests, if you can shout you already know it)

Spoiler:
Oh, did anyone else just smash the first dungeon all the way down the chamber with the first Word, rather than go back to town as soon as you killed the spider and got the Golden Claw from the thief?

Mage dude was all WTF MANS when I already had the Dragonstone on me, I was expecting the usual get-quest-talk-again thing with maybe a leave room and come back added in for good measure. Thought this was pretty smoothly handled by the game :)

Dazhel
Posted 02:52pm 15/11/11
Haha Khel. Loot is randomised in some places I think isn't it?
That's complete balls though, I think someone at Bethesda is laughing right now. :/

wrt Inventory management though and making your companion a pack mule, do companions have a weight limit? If so I haven't reached it yet.

Penny Arcade 'Thulsa Broom' nails it as usual - how does everyone else deal with the plethora of bullshit items to pick up?
I'm a pack rat so I've found myself falling back on the old habit I had in Oblivion, doing a rough calculation dividing the coin value of an item by the weight of the item and at the start of the game if it wasn't more than 10 I'd just leave it there, but constantly increasing that ratio, so by the end of the game I reckon if the value wasn't 50:1 it wasn't worth picking up.

Edit:
Spoiler:
Yeah Hog, I just kept going right down as far as I could go in that dungeon. At some point I think lust for smashing through Draugr's made me forget why I was even in that dungeon in the first place. It was handled pretty smooth there - there's a later dungeon where you face a similar claw & puzzle, but you get stuck and have to go back to the surface halfway through the dungeon and speak to someone to get the claw though. :(
Khel
Posted 03:14pm 15/11/11
I did that first dungeon before I even got the quest to get the golden claw, then when I got to the town and the guy is like "They stole a golden claw off me" and my dialogue response was "What... THIS golden claw?"

I laughed cos I imagined my character saying it like Gob from Arrested Development and pulling the Golden Claw out with a flourish.
fpot
Posted 04:46pm 15/11/11
It might help if you give a description of what the spoiler is about. How was hog to know to mouse-over that spoiler to answer his question? It could have been about anything.
deadlyf
Posted 04:50pm 15/11/11
I had no idea how to unlock that door, I thought the clues would be somewhere in the room and searched for ever and eventually just randomised the sequence and got it.

Spoiler:
Later on there is a another quest with one of the keys but this time you are with a group and one of them tells you to look at the key for clues and it was facepalm time
Hogfather
Posted 04:53pm 15/11/11
It might help if you give a description of what the spoiler is about. How was hog to know to mouse-over that spoiler to answer his question? It could have been about anything.

By reading fpot's helpful poast!
skythra
Posted 05:25pm 15/11/11
I had no idea how to unlock that door,

I took this approach:

there were 3 lots of 3 animals. 3x3x3 looked like too many combinations. Strike out every combination which would involve two or less animals showing up, in other words, only tried combinations which would use all three.

I got it on the third guess.
ravn0s
Posted 05:50pm 15/11/11
pretty sure that quests gives you the clue
Spoiler:
"the answer is in the palm of your hands"


last edited by Nathan at 17:50:37 15/Nov/11
Nathan
Posted 05:49pm 15/11/11
only tried combinations which would use all three


I did the same, until you find a similar quest later where this isnt true - the combination has two of one animal.

After Googling to see Spoiler:
you're supposed to look at the key itself via your inventory
, I found the solution to be much dumber than what I tried based on the artwork in the room.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 05:52pm 15/11/11
Yer that quest was great. After looking at the artwork in the room for a while, I had a facepalm moment then looked where I had to.
BladeRunner
Posted 05:53pm 15/11/11
I have found Lydia died a few times as well so I reloaded. I have tried to use the SetEssential console command but it does not seem to work. When Bethesda releases the proper mod tools we will have a mod which will make them Essential and not able to die. Though Lydia and my new companion do absorb a lot of damage and manage to stay alive most times.
demon
Posted 06:11pm 15/11/11
yeh i spent a bit studying the artwork on the walls for that golden claw puzzle. finally figured it out ;p it was a bit of a dumb puzzle... especially as the previous puzzle had the clues right there in the architecture. so it took a bit to figure out the 2nd one didn't.

i never bothered to reload to get Lydia back. she died... i got over it ;D i kinda prefer to wander alone anyway... sometimes Lydia would spook the deers when i was trying to snipe them. damn woman should be in the kitchen.. not fucking up my hunt ;p
Dazhel
Posted 06:59pm 15/11/11
It might help if you give a description of what the spoiler is about. How was hog to know to mouse-over that spoiler to answer his question? It could have been about anything.

Hmmm...Doh!!

By reading fpot's helpful poast!

Tada!
fpot
Posted 07:00pm 15/11/11
qmass
Posted 07:20pm 15/11/11
Just did the coolest quest... for a dog. Starts in Riften, some guy wants you to catch some dog hes seen wandering around. When you go looking for it, it comes up to you and starts talking, only gets wackier from there.

Hated Oblivion and barely managed to finish fallout 3 but I am LOVING skyrim. So much effort put into the story of quests that I can be bothered to run through them and the whole world just feels rooted now instead of some weird empty place with static NPCs. Next on the list for beth should be the combat system and copying rages animation and enemy environment interaction and then they will have the best game ever made IMO.

Speaking of the combat, although melee feels pretty unrewarding and jittery, archery is really good. Having a blast luring enemies into traps in dungeons then setting them off with an arrow. (using the throw voice dragon shout)
ravn0s
Posted 07:24pm 15/11/11
Just did the coolest quest... for a dog. Starts in Riften, some guy wants you to catch some dog hes seen wandering around. When you go looking for it, it comes up to you and starts talking, only gets wackier from there.


sounds like sheogorath
fpot
Posted 07:33pm 15/11/11
It was Spoiler:
Claivicus Vile
Dazhel
Posted 07:34pm 15/11/11
Speaking of the combat, although melee feels pretty unrewarding and jittery, archery is really good. Having a blast luring enemies into traps in dungeons then setting them off with an arrow. (using the throw voice dragon shout)


Heh, yeah I usually roll up a mage in RPGs but I'm having a blast with archery. Loving the fact that arrows just don't disappear into thin air when you fire them like they do in other games. When you search dead bodies you're likely to get some arrows back as you'd expect & you can go and collect misfired arrows if you're inclined to.
ravn0s
Posted 07:37pm 15/11/11
you can also get a perk that increases the amount of arrows you find on bodies.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 07:48pm 15/11/11
How does everyone deal with dragons?

I find that it is a huge grind just chipping away at it, hiding, healing, chipping and so on. That is without a tanking companion.
arc
Posted 08:53pm 15/11/11
lol whats all this greybeards and labyrinths stuff about.. i've been milling about winterhold unearthing black magic and doing a bit of work for the dark brotherhood..

oh and of course plotting for world domination.

glynd
Posted 08:03pm 15/11/11
How does everyone deal with dragons?


run to a local town or camp and let them get killed while i shoot it with arrows.
Viper119
Posted 08:53pm 15/11/11
Yeah the way it handles dialogue for already completed quests is cool, "Oh this bit of dragon thing? I totes already picked it up!".

I'm lvl 15 and am a werewolf! :/ Haven't yet found the quest that leads me on the cure.

I found another dungen in Iverhart that needs the sapphire claw!?

Sweet I'll go see the greybeards and check out this labrynthian.

I've hit weight limit on Lydia, didn't seem like a lot.
qmass
Posted 09:09pm 15/11/11
I found another dungen in Iverhart that needs the sapphire claw!?
Speak to the inn keeper in the nearby town, quest reward.

Always excited when there are some giants close by when a dragon spawns... its funny how there are all these giants wandering around with the power to take over the world but are just happy chilling with some mammoths and pottering about the plains.
Enska
Posted 09:20pm 15/11/11
Wow what the fuck, I just got my ass handed to me by the ice troll guarding the path up to the Greybeards.
I'm only lvl 7 so I might go and do some miscellaneous shit tomorrow for a bit and get some levels before trying again, he pretty much 2 shot me.
deadlyf
Posted 09:26pm 15/11/11
How does everyone deal with dragons?
Potin' like it's haawt.

I keep a stack of healing pots but also like to have resist pots, pots that increase regen rates and damage and also use poisons. The Frost breathing dragons are definitely the hardest to kill for me, they drain your stamina as well as health and the last one I fought would do a killing move on me whenever he got in close enough for melee.

As soon as it's on I hit tab, equip my best arrows, pot up and maybe cast a spell for good measure. I've started Shout hunting by finding the dragon roosts around the area which all have a dragon circling around so I'm getting pretty good at taking them down but I still die enough to keep me from bragging about it in town.
Pirroh
Posted 09:37pm 15/11/11
The only time I really have a problem with dragons is when they don't land. I use two handed weapons so I can't do shit while they are in the air.
qmass
Posted 09:38pm 15/11/11
Whoever came up with babette of the dark brotherhood is awesome... who knew that kids saying evil shit could be so hilarious :P
Obes
Posted 09:42pm 15/11/11
sometimes Lydia would spook the deers when i was trying to snipe them. damn woman should be in the kitchen.. not fucking up my hunt ;p

This is why I miss lans ...
Eorl
Posted 09:56pm 15/11/11
I kick dragon ass with my heavy armoured battle mage. Speciliase in Destruction/1H/Shield and some other random crap. So if it won't come to me, I send it lovely bolts of fire or ice.

I have yet to really continue with the main story, still have to go see the dudes at the mountaint about my voice. Just chilling, kicking ass, and playing hide and seek with the kids in villages.
kappa
Posted 09:56pm 15/11/11
Wow what the fuck, I just got my ass handed to me by the ice troll guarding the path up to the Greybeards.
I'm only lvl 7 so I might go and do some miscellaneous shit tomorrow for a bit and get some levels before trying again, he pretty much 2 shot me.

I'm level 5 and also got dealt by that ice troll. Was even worse because I didn't save and had to leg it from way way back :( But I ended up Spoiler:
killing him by equipping flames / healing and just kite him.
Eorl
Posted 10:03pm 15/11/11
Oh yeah, this is the area if anyone wants to go to the Labyrinth.

Also, Spoiler:
if you go up above the Jarl in the first village you find, you'll see a map, look at it to update your map with all the locations, helps.


kappa
Posted 10:07pm 15/11/11
Also whats the best way to spend money early on? I saw a horse for sale for 1k but passed.
Bah
Posted 10:19pm 15/11/11
Just cheesed a dragon, walking around i find some stray dog and it wants to follow me, then i notice a dragon location on my radar, walk up to it and the dragon decides to attack my dog most of the time rather than me... So there is my trusty dog standing right in front of the dragon taking a face full of dragon breath while i sit cowering behind a rock firing arrows and spells.
ravn0s
Posted 10:53pm 15/11/11
eorl: you can do the same in riften
Viper119
Posted 11:48pm 15/11/11
I bought the 1K horse but it was quite slow, so I loaded to before I bought it.

Do the horses have different speeds based on age/price?

Eorl
Posted 11:50pm 15/11/11
Awesome, don't know where that is haha, but will remember. Plot thickens with this labyrinth business (large spoiler, your warned).

Spoiler:
Found a wooden mask, seems to transport you BACK in time, if you stand on the little altar in the hut at the Labyrinth ruins area. Your shown 8 little dragon faces, and you can put some thing on them. So went walking about, was doing a quest to kill a bandit, and after doing that wandered around onto a mountain nearby, and found 1 random dragon, and then another dragon in a actual dragon area. Killed the frost dragon, bloody hard though. Afterwards, go to get my new shout, and some dude bursts out of a crypt. Name is Krosis, and he dropped a mask called Krosis' Mask. 20% increase to Archery, Alchemy and Smithing. This got me thinking though, this looks an awful lot like the wooden mask, and I remember being teleported to that shrine area, where you could place things on the dragon faces. So, quick travel to the hut, chuck the mask on, and lo and behold, Krosis had his own statue. What it does? No clue. Will have to find more of these dudes, took all their names down so I can hunt them. They seem to be near dragons though.
d^
Posted 08:23am 16/11/11
Steam have a midweek sale on for The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Game of the Year Edition and Deluxe Edition. 75% off, coming in at $5 for the GOTY or $6.25 for the Deluxe. Bargain.
Eorl
Posted 08:59am 16/11/11
Eh, Skyrim is my Oblivion now. Though I never really played/finished Oblivion, was just to dull.
Raven
Posted 09:05am 16/11/11
Thanks for the heads-up d. Might give that a try, even though I'm not big on using a PC for these types of games. End even though my backlog of games to play is massive.

Come to think of it, it's no wonder so many games companies are going bankrupt - noone can afford to buy the massive library of awesome games that are being released lately.
3dee
Posted 09:27am 16/11/11
Oblivion kinda sucks in comparison to Skyrim.
Raven
Posted 09:32am 16/11/11
Yeah, but it still got awesome reviews at the time...
Dazhel
Posted 10:02am 16/11/11
My theory is that a lot of the complaints about Oblivion only surfaced after you'd been playing for a decent amount of time, which is why they aren't necessarily reflected as much in the early review scores. e.g. Identical dungeons, horrible level scaling, random & difficult to reproduce glitches, etc.
ravn0s
Posted 10:08am 16/11/11
lol last night i finally realised i was hitting the wrong mouse button to do back stabs. i was wondering why the fuck i was doing so little damage. it's because i was hitting mouse1 which is right attack, when you're supposed to use mouse2 for left attack to do back stabs.

also discovered that in crypts with the skeletons, the skeletons that come out of the walls/alcoves are always wearing armour. so i just look out for them and 1 shot them with a stealth attack before they 'wake' up.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 10:14am 16/11/11
I managed to get myself the Skull of Corruption, haven't played with it yet except steel a couple of dreams. My char is soo piss weak I can't even go toe-to-toe with a pack sabre tooth cats without kiting. My damage output is so low, maybe Skyrim is kicking me in the balls for not being more specific with my 'classless' character :/
Raven
Posted 10:17am 16/11/11
My theory is that a lot of the complaints about Oblivion only surfaced after you'd been playing for a decent amount of time, which is why they aren't necessarily reflected as much in the early review scores. e.g. Identical dungeons, horrible level scaling, random & difficult to reproduce glitches, etc.

Wait, can you possibly be implying that reputable media outlets might only skim a few hours of gameplay and write a comprehensive review based on that brief time playing the early parts of the game? Surely that would never happen!
Dazhel
Posted 10:23am 16/11/11
Heh Raven, no disrespect to reviewers.
It's TES after all, they could play the thing solid for four weeks and still only be a small fraction of the way through.
Eorl
Posted 12:02pm 16/11/11
Toll, you'll find your damage output is low just cause of what level you are. Things don't scale as much as Oblivion did. There are a few things that scale, I think Dragons maybe, and maybe Giants. But everything else has set levels. Love smashing shit when I go to a "lower" area. And what's that Skull of Corruption?
d^
Posted 12:20pm 16/11/11
Thank fuck, you can assign favorites to numbers.

Assign item to favorites with F key
Open favorites with Q key
Scroll to the item you want
Press the number you want to assign it to
Eorl
Posted 12:25pm 16/11/11
Way ahead of you d, like 6 pages back.
d^
Posted 12:31pm 16/11/11
Also has anyone worked out how to do finishing moves? Like a backstab finisher as a stealth character for example. I've been reading, most of the time you need to do a power attack when they have low health, haven't tested it though.
Khel
Posted 12:34pm 16/11/11
I pulled a giant to one of the guard towers near Whiterun last night, and while the guards were losing their shit and trying to fight it, I just sat back sniping away with my bow till it died. I'm so cheap
ravn0s
Posted 12:42pm 16/11/11
i took on a dragon and a giant last night by myself. killed the giant but the dragon flew away. fucking pussy.
Eorl
Posted 12:44pm 16/11/11
Also has anyone worked out how to do finishing moves? Like a backstab finisher as a stealth character for example. I've been reading, most of the time you need to do a power attack when they have low health, haven't tested it though.

It's random I believe. When they kneel down I've found I go up to them and just use normal swing attack, works.
d^
Posted 12:48pm 16/11/11
Check out this video, it shows a stealth kill at about 1:31-1:32 (no spoilers, it's a trailer)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9UYcD32goA
ravn0s
Posted 01:42pm 16/11/11
like eorl said, they're completely random. you don't need to be in stealth to do them and they don't even take enemy health into account since i did a finishing move on an enemy that had almost full health.
kappa
Posted 01:48pm 16/11/11
Isn't it a crit?
Eorl
Posted 02:03pm 16/11/11
Pretty much. If you get one, it's an instant kill no matter what. So satisfying getting a dragon one where it comes roaring down and you slice it's belly, smashes to the ground.

I'm currently doing the coolest dungeon ever, reminds me of Indiana Jones waaay to much. So many traps, so many skeletons, and so much loot. Spoiler:
It's the haunted barrow near the bottom of the Greybeards, Ivarstead I think. You start a quest up to investigate why it's haunted, and you get another claw at the end of the quest, which you can then use to open up a huge maze of crypts. Still going now, and had boulders chase me, swinging spiked gates, spiked walls pushing in, poison darts and the best one, stealing a golden bar off a platform, and then being set on fire for doing it.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 02:37pm 16/11/11
Eorl, I'm level 14. I know it isn't shit-house-scaling (I hate scaling). I just feel dirty and cheap when I kite and exploit AI to win the fight, certainly doesn't feel epic.

Skull of Corruption

Spoiler:

I got it near Whitehold on some quest. Was pretty cool, voices in my head telling me to kill him.. So I did lol. item worth is 1800 I think.



Speaking of impossible fights, I cam across a Deugar Overlord of some sort and it would 1-shot me with a bow. I ended up shouting it down, running in and looting the chest then busting a move out of there, got some phat loot. A glass axe amongst it.
DM
Posted 02:41pm 16/11/11
If you don't kill him he becomes a companion for you.

I love the 1h weapon + shield instant kills. I was fighting some bandits and stabbbed this dude right through the chest and he is like "i've had worse" which made me think of that black knight. Another one just then when I was fighting a ghost I stabbed him through the neck and he says to me "I don't want to hurt you" and i'm all, bitch I just stabbed you through the neck, you aint hurting me.

Smithing is incredible with how strong your weapons can become. I found an Ebony Sword which @ Lv 15 is doing 25 damage for me, mind you I have 40% bonus to 1 hand weapons.
Nathan
Posted 02:43pm 16/11/11
I was in some dungeon where I could only handle killing two mobs at a time (any more and I would die) and came apart a narrow part with 3 mobs. After dying 10-20 times I Spoiler:
used beast form
and smashed them bad. I particularly love how the first hit tends to send them flying across the room!
Tollaz0r!
Posted 02:50pm 16/11/11
Nathan,

Don't use that when fighting

Spoiler:

The Silver Hand, their silver weapons smashed me. I'm not sure if they were simply high level mobs or if it was because I was also in beast form.

fpot
Posted 03:09pm 16/11/11
Steam have a midweek sale on for The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Game of the Year Edition and Deluxe Edition. 75% off, coming in at $5 for the GOTY or $6.25 for the Deluxe. Bargain.
Sweet, thanks for that. My savegame is pretty much unretrievable because it's on my 360 but $6.34 is cheap for nostaglia.

FYI, Arena and Daggerfall are both freeware now. They are... quite dated however :)
BladeRunner
Posted 04:00pm 16/11/11
Nathan,

Don't use that when fighting

Spoiler:
The Silver Hand, their silver weapons smashed me. I'm not sure if they were simply high level mobs or if it was because I was also in beast form.

They have Silver weapons which are more effective against Warewolves and I assume Vampires.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 04:04pm 16/11/11
Silver weapons smash common undead too (deugar or however you spell it).
Term
Posted 06:07pm 16/11/11
as someone who hasnt played much of anything other than wow for a long long time, and even that I haven touched for months this is the first game I've had a bash at. The graphics are pretty amazing, some things they do just for stupid time sink points which occasionally annoys me and the ui is completely horrid on pc sometime the mouse doesnt even highlight the correct conversation or item you want to click so you have to use the downarrow / uparrow on the keyboard, also the keys I normally use wont bind - as the ui says they are 'reserved'

Added to that I occasionally get a complete client crash when 'fast traveling' from one area to another. In summary, from a pure client perspective, a blizzard game, it is not. And that is a bad thing as blizzard still make hands down the best game client on the planet.

HAVING SAID ALL THAT: the game is really good, gameplay itself is excellent, depth of content and engagement is superb, I love the skills system, the perk system allows for plenty of perks to be able to go down a few skill trees without feeling like your missing out, and the natural progression of skills based on use while definitely not unique I really do feel should be used in any RPG ever. I'm only still level 16 destruction mage but still feel I've got heaps of the game I'd like to play and want to check out some of the other trees so look forward to that. Highly recommended providing a truely crap client and GUI doesn't irritate you to the point you cant ignore it and just enjoy the game...

Also, a few of us bought wireless 380 usb things for pc today as we're keen on checking out the game on a 360 controller, might allow me to look over the more flaky aspects that are due to it being a console port. I support the 10/10 notion, not perfect by any aspect but if your going to drop that much cash once a year and you enjoy the genre this is the game to use it on.
Term
Posted 06:16pm 16/11/11
oh and the actual battle mechanic is really cool, gaining distance to be able to see whats coming at you in an attempt to mitigate damage works really well, you can dodge things if you see them, take them in the face if you dont, though I do use the pathing ai against the game quite heavily occasionally but thats pretty cheesy.

Hope these points make sense, pretty hastily / poorly written brain fart but thought a impartial view in the commentary would help other players decision making, rather than omgitrulz
Mosfxx
Posted 06:40pm 16/11/11
I wish I had more time to play this, I'm jealous of all the stories in this thread.

My Wood Elf Archer/Thief is level 10 at the moment I have completed a couple of Empire missions and did a few side quests, during which I found a stack of Iron Bars in someones house so I killed the owner and took everything..
DM
Posted 07:08pm 16/11/11
So this be my character after I deleted all my others. Loving this guy. Lv 22, near full glass armor (gloves give 30% 1H damage which is on top of the 60% I get from skill points) and my companion Aela from the Companions whom i'm also married to. She got all my old gear. Still loving smithing. Wondering what a glass mace would refine too since i'm already using a 47 damage sword with no enchant on it haha. Smithing is that damn good I tell you.

link

We will have little werewolf children together.
ravn0s
Posted 05:00pm 24/11/11
wish maps in towns looked like this instead of the shitty maps they've got now



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Enska
Posted 08:31pm 16/11/11
Yeah while the world map is cool and all, I really would love to be able to zoom the fucker in so I can see roads etc without having to use that shitty local one.
Eorl
Posted 08:56pm 16/11/11
Term, I'd say the UI is one of the biggest pluses possible. It works fluently, isn't as clunky as Oblivion, and responds well to keyboard control, which is actually much faster then mouse control. I can switch between things instantly, and I can still use the mouse to click what I desire.

Also, Archery is awesome.

ravn0s
Posted 08:57pm 16/11/11
there's still a lot of problems with the UI.

Eorl
Posted 09:36pm 16/11/11
Each to their own I guess. I've found it just fine and dandy, but maybe it's cause I've gotten use to it. Also, I can quite easily tell what I have equipped. It has a arrow filled in next to it, ta da!
DM
Posted 09:21pm 16/11/11
I love that mock up shot and hope someone mods the UI to change it like that but I'm still finding it so much better than oblivion's
Tollaz0r!
Posted 09:57pm 16/11/11
Being better then dung isn't an acheivment. However the UI seriously needs work, again how hard is it for 1 person to be hired, PART TIME even, to do the UI.
demon
Posted 10:13pm 16/11/11
i am hoping that a ui mod will come along like btmod for oblivion. the ui in oblivion sucked balls until btmod fixed it.
deadlyf
Posted 10:25pm 16/11/11
Potions are the worst for me, I have a huge list and it doesn't seem to be sorted in any sensible order. In the middle of combat I can spend 5 minutes just looking for the potions I want to use.

It'd also be good if favourites are sorted between shouts, spells and weapons.
arc
Posted 10:34pm 16/11/11
for some reason my character has glowing eyes. I'm not sure if it's a glitch or I'm possessed or just a full on badass but it's pretty cool, weird!



how do you see what diseases n shit you have?
Infidel
Posted 10:41pm 16/11/11
I've lost my archer dude after doing a mission for the companions anyone know where the hell he could have gone? I had a crapload of items on him to sell.
taggs
Posted 11:18pm 16/11/11
still yet to pick this up, but i've been reading that apparently destruction magic is a bit gimped in the game - it doesn't scale as you level up or something? other schools seem to be ok? there seems to be quite a bit of whinging about it going on over at the official bethesda forums and i'm just wondering whether it's spastics complaining about nothing or a legitimate complaint.


confirm/deny?
3dee
Posted 11:21pm 16/11/11
I'd have to go one further and say that Oblivion's menus were the best to me. Everything is quickly and intuitive readable, your character is visible, the equipped items are easy to see, the lists are sortable...

Khel
Posted 11:41pm 16/11/11
Yeah, the UI is much better than Oblivions, but its still not that great, its quite clunky and awkward and as other people have said, its a lot harder and takes a lot longer to do some simple things than it should. And like Term I often have weird shit going on with the UI where the thing that I click doesn't get selected and I need to move the selection manually with the keyboard. I also get weird shit happening in conversations sometimes where I click a conversation option (often the one at vendors to see their wares) and it exits the conversation instead.
3dee
Posted 11:47pm 16/11/11
I was saying that I liked Oblivion's *more*. A lot more.

Yeah I get that mouse glitchy crap too.
ravn0s
Posted 11:50pm 16/11/11
anyone else jumped off bards leap summit?

from below


walking the plank


nice view




also i've got 3 new shouts and i've killed 2 dragons since getting them but they still haven't activated. dunno wtf is going on.
3dee
Posted 11:59pm 16/11/11
That top one reminds me of the big wall thing in Vvardenfell in Morrowind.
Eorl
Posted 12:08am 17/11/11
Need to progress a bit more in the main quest. So need to go Spoiler:
talk to the greybeards and be taught how to upgrade shouts.
Infidel, any companions will be in their "area" that you found them. So Lydia is in your house, Faendal is at the first village etc.

Destruction is perfectly fine for me. I've heard a lot of complaining because people, but the majority of the time they aren't using a variety of spells, and just sticking with flames. There is firebolt, fire rune, ice rune, frost, frostbolt, frost spike, sparks, lighting bolt, lighting chain etc. There are a shit load of spells, and the Destruction skill tree is amazing, albeit takes a bit, as the next set of nodes past the "increase shock/fire/frost" needs a skill of 55 or 60 I believe, which takes a bit, as you have to predominantly use Destruction spells.

Also, holy crap does Candlelight help heaps. Need to see in a dungeon? Pop a Candlelight, ta da, see shit. Magelight is okay, but it doesn't broadcast the light enough to really make it as useful as Candlelight.

Also Rav, that jump looks an awful lot like Assassins Creed. Oh yeah, I recommend these three mods for anyone who wants the most out of their game. First one unlocks the game to use more then 2GB's of RAM. Don't know why Bethesda program like that, but anyways get that here.

Next one is enhanced blood textures, makes it look much cooler when slicing and dicing, get that here.

And last but not least, a graphical mod that increases the saturation, making it look more cleaner and less "steamy", not that it doesn't look awesome before, but give it a shot and you'll see the difference, you can even press the pause key to toggle it on/off. Get that mod here, and choose the low saturation setting, the high saturation makes everything look like Outlands from WoW.
Khel
Posted 12:18am 17/11/11
I was saying that I liked Oblivion's *more*. A lot more


Yeah, I didn't see your reply before I typed my post, I was agreeing with all the other people who posted before you :P
DM
Posted 12:32am 17/11/11
Big image so I won't link it as i'll break the thread but I love this girl. Some of the writing in this game is so funny.

http://i.imgur.com/JmvY6.jpg
Viper119
Posted 12:38am 17/11/11
Yeah Khel I have that same problem. It's not terrible though, I've gotten used to it and apart from trying to hastily drink a potion it's fine. Haters gonna hate!

How do you learn new spells? Do you need to find the book or can you be trained?

I'm going to try out some of those mods Eorl.

Has anyone found Frostflow Lighthouse? It's near Darkstar or WinterHold.. totally random mystery quest.. was great! Spoiler:
First run-in with the Thalmer and some crazy bug monster things




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Timmeh
Posted 12:38am 17/11/11
Nakor
Posted 01:13am 17/11/11
ravnos - go into where your shouts are, and you should see theres a button you have to press to actually use a dragon soul to be able to use a shout. Just finding them in the wilderness isn't actually enough, you also need to "purchase" them...
Rawprawn
Posted 01:23am 17/11/11
This game ROCKS. Loving the smithing, loving the combat, loving the graphics. All the things i found useless in Oblvion (animal hides, bits of ore, etc) have an immediate and obvious use in this game. This is a seriously good RPG.
Viper119
Posted 04:01am 17/11/11
IGN have got a Skill Builder up, might be useful for some.
taggs
Posted 06:46am 17/11/11
Destruction is perfectly fine for me. I've heard a lot of complaining because people, but the majority of the time they aren't using a variety of spells, and just sticking with flames.


apparently the imbal doesn't become too apparent until later levels. it doesn't appear to be game breaking as in you can still play and beat the game with char with destro as the primary damage dealing skill and have a lot of fun but you can't get anywhere near the damage output of arch or melee supposedly (melee/arch damage rises with skill level, gear quality/smithing and enchants - magic damage rises with skill level? can't purchase/craft better versions of spells, no +dmg enchants, only +mana regen?): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOSw36zv7YI

i think what some people are a bit ticked off about is that as one of the primary damage skills (1h/2h/arch/dest) it appears to be by far the least effective and generally doesn't give the player much incentive to use it. having not played myself yet though it's hard to know whether it's spastics qq'ing or a genuine problem.

i imagine there will be some balance patches sooner or later if it's that much of an issue though
BladeRunner
Posted 06:27am 17/11/11
I am really disliking the new npc-level system. I can kill an ancient and powerfull dragon but a bandit dude wareing animal skin loincloth and wielding an Iron Great Sword can 1-shot me. At lease Oblivion's everything-scales system was consistent. It was more about the type of enemy you fought rather than just being high or low level.

As someone mentioned there are no UI indicators of a targets level, It almost has a MMO feel when you can not even fight something because its too high level and youre better off flighting low level enemies instead. There are no specific areas where lower level things are and Higher level things are as far as I can tell. The more I play it the less enjoyable it gets......or I could be retarded and am just playing it wrong which is a possibility.

TL;DR - New npc level system is crap, bring back Oblivion's.
Mosfxx
Posted 07:47am 17/11/11
How do Soul Gems work? my Bow ran out of power and I have no idea how to use a Soul Gem to refill it.
d^
Posted 09:04am 17/11/11
This thread needs more spoiler tags, FUCK. I'm not reading it until I get further.
3dee
Posted 09:39am 17/11/11
BladeRunner, Oblivion's NPC levelling was munted. The more I played and levelled up, the HARDER the enemies got.

The NPC levelling of Skyrim is much, much better. When I get better, I can take down things I couldn't before. I'm taking down a wolf with a single arrow instead of 3 when I started off.

last edited by 3dee at 09:39:04 17/Nov/11
Viper119
Posted 09:43am 17/11/11
Am I not the only one sometimes getting owned by random Bandit Chiefs then?
Eorl
Posted 09:43am 17/11/11
Blade, even though he looks like shit, he still can be "tough". I know what your saying though, he should obviously be wearing something better to indicated being tougher. What level are you though? As all the bandits I've come up against at level 17 I just one shot with arrow/sword.

Viper, learning spells you just press e while hovering over them in the books section of the inventory. Then go to spells and favourite/equip. Simple as that.

Mos, soul gems are used by pressing T when your hovering over a weapon that needs to be recharged. To get souls into the gem, you need to either have a weapon that does it, i.e. my bow will drain a soul if in the 7 seconds that it's tagged, it dies. There are a different range of gems starting from petty to grand I believe. Each one can contain certain NPC souls. So a wolf gets a petty gem, where as some badass troll gets giant gem.

Rav, haven't noticed it gimping me yet then. If someone is playing pure destruction, they are doing it wrong then. Skyrim allows for so much uniqueness. I'm currently running as a archer who uses 1h swords and shield and also dual wielding destruction magic with the use of conjuration in sticky situations or for light sources.
BladeRunner
Posted 09:44am 17/11/11
I still say its not right, It also helped when i turned down the difficulty setting lol. I had it set to expert, put it down a notch to Adept and it seems easier but still a bit of a challenge.

Bonus Image of my character
http://s8.postimage.org/zcoc8ys7p/TESV_2011_11_17_07_36_41_56.jpg
Eorl
Posted 09:45am 17/11/11
Ah yeah, well there was your problem. Bandits will be much harder, and dragons, ohhh god dragons can eat you alive.
Khel
Posted 09:50am 17/11/11
This thread needs more spoiler tags, FUCK. I'm not reading it until I get further.


Really? Cos I was actually thinking the opposite, people seemed to be going pretty overboard with the spoiler tags in some cases. I guess it depends on your definition of a spoiler, but I don't really care if someones talking about an ability I don't have yet, or a dungeon I haven't been to yet, its not like it somehow robs me of the fun of doing it myself.
DM
Posted 10:24am 17/11/11
There is an actual legit way of making 1 school of magic at a time cost 0 mana every cast. Maybe that makes up for it being potentially weaker than archery and swords
3dee
Posted 10:25am 17/11/11
Spoiler:
There's dragons!
Eorl
Posted 10:37am 17/11/11
Spoiler:
And swords!
kappa
Posted 10:43am 17/11/11
Got fkn owned by a troll outside the town near the graybeards. So I tried to kite him back into the town and everyone turned on me!

I haven't even bothered to take on a giant since I'm getting crushed by trolls. The only things I can kill are bandits. Starting to feel shit at this game :(
Dazhel
Posted 10:46am 17/11/11
Am I not the only one sometimes getting owned by random Bandit Chiefs then?


Out in the open where you can kite them they should be easier.
I was able to take down a bunch of Bandits and a Chief or two standing in the outside area of Fort Dunstad with relative ease, but down below where there's about 5 of them in close quarters they keep ripping through me.
Eorl
Posted 10:47am 17/11/11
What level are you Daz? I found up until level 10 bandits hard.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 11:16am 17/11/11
Most bandits I can 1/2 shot with a bow, each bandit hideout seems to have 2 or 3 tougher ones which I have to work on a bit harder, then the chief who is usually pretty dangerous. I use shield bash quite often on the tougher guys, particularly those with two handed weapons. I just keep popping shields into their face whenever they try an attack whittle them down.
deadlyf
Posted 11:16am 17/11/11
If you are having trouble with 2h wielding bandits and trolls, here's a tip, don't stand in one spot and get hit.

They telegraph their swings and you can easily step back out of the way and move in for your own attack. If you are trying to play some kind of soak character that can just stand there and take hits then you will find it very hard to do at low levels without plenty of points in armour and block.

When you have trouble with a certain enemy you just have to look at what you have at your disposal. Use pots, cast protection spells, use scrolls, use poisons, don't stand still, use your stagger shout to get a bit of breathing room and always use F5 before a fight. Took me a lot of deaths to get past that troll by trying to kite using the only method of combat I had been using at the time. I eventually worked out you simply have to try everything, got him down and hit F5 so many fucking times to make sure I didn't have to go back.

They aren't even a challenge any more, I two shot trolls but I still die to a bunch of different enemies if I'm not careful.
Dazhel
Posted 11:27am 17/11/11
I've just hit level 11, but I was around level 10 when I went through there.
It's such a tiny space, with around 4-5 dudes right inside the door.
Khel
Posted 11:38am 17/11/11
I found some bandits out in the open near one of the dungeons (can't remember what one, I didn't go inside, I was just exploring), and I escaped from them and ran straight into a giant frost spider that ate me for dinner. After I reloaded my save I went back to the bandits and kited them and was like "Hey bandit chief, meet giant frost spider" and the two of them fought it out and killed each other (well, spider killed the chief, then I shot the spider with an arrow to finish it off). I'm only about level 10 too, so stuff like that is still hard for me to fight.
DM
Posted 12:24pm 17/11/11
Shout + paralyze arrow = ???

Tollaz0r!
Posted 12:47pm 17/11/11
This happens to me a lot.

link
DM
Posted 01:30pm 17/11/11
What the fuck kind of dark magic is this? a Ctrl+Alt+Del comic that is short, not 1/2 a novel long and actually made me laugh?
Nathan
Posted 01:32pm 17/11/11
Yeah that gives me the shits too, they wont move back if you run into them like most games' NPCs do.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 01:34pm 17/11/11
They slowly get nudged out of the way, how did they not pick that up play testing?
Dazhel
Posted 01:43pm 17/11/11
This happens to me a lot.


Argh yeah that shits me so much.

Workarounds as follows:
1. Move further into the room and the companion takes one more step inside the door
2. Initiate the talk menu and select the option "I want you to do something"...then target somewhere distant and click "Wait there"
3. Open a ready stance and then switch back and try to jump over your companion before they do too (not much success with this one but it helped in one instance)
4. Whirlwhind sprint the stubborn fucker into next week. (Disclaimer: May or may not cause guards to get angry, YMMV)
Viper119
Posted 01:59pm 17/11/11
What deadlyf said, you gots to be on your toes!

I've finished the brave companions quest line, got the best shield I've seen yet at the end Spoiler:
Shield of Ysgramor
, plus I'm rocking the skyforge steel sword I got off a dead companion, 26dm yo!

Thinking I might follow the college questline now to get some magic up in the hizay.
orbitor
Posted 02:17pm 17/11/11
you could also noclip, maybe it uses the same command as oblivion (tcl)?
ravn0s
Posted 02:25pm 17/11/11
avnos - go into where your shouts are, and you should see theres a button you have to press to actually use a dragon soul to be able to use a shout.


lol shit, forgot you had to press r to unlock shouts.

you could also noclip, maybe it uses the same command as oblivion (tcl)?


only problem with doing that is you stop getting achievements if you're into that sort of thing.

last edited by ravn0s at 14:25:32 17/Nov/11
Keato
Posted 02:25pm 17/11/11
Demons scoring for a 10/10 game ;

Can I shoot things in the face : (Check)
Can I stare at the pretend peoples boobs : (Check)
If I hit people the right way do they gib : (Check)
Do the NPCs steal my armour like Frogbot : (No)

9 out of fucking 10... needs more rally stages in the carts.
DM
Posted 02:50pm 17/11/11
plus I'm rocking the skyforge steel sword I got off a dead companion, 26dm yo!

If you had smithing up high enough you could improve that quite a bit. My Skyforge sword does 47 damage.
DM
Posted 07:30pm 17/11/11
Well been messing around with some tweaks and new injectors today and come up with some cool things I thought.

- First of I used this tool to mod my game to allow more than 2gb ram used at a time. Why bethesda didn't think of this who knows. Got quite a FPS boost I must say and stopped all CTD I was having.

- Next up in documents/my games/skyrim/skyrim.ini changing iPresentInterval=1 to 0 disables vsych i've been told. Did it myself but didn't notice any difference.

- Over in SkyrimPrefs.ini if you change both

bTreesReceiveShadows=0
bDrawLandShadows=0

To 1s you get a graphical increase with no fps hit really.

- Also change bMouseAcceleration=1 to 0 for obvious reasons. Gets rid of that stupid super high vertical look but slow horizontal movement thing.

- Finally this shader set unlike the last one I posted doesn't change any of the saturation and make things stupidly bright but rather just eleminates that white film that seems to be over everything and make things much better looking at night I feel. No FPS hit at all for this.
Crakaveli
Posted 08:04pm 17/11/11
Had a cool moment last night.

I was doing a quest for the red guard chick in town and had to talk to a guy who was locked up in the dungeon. So I went in and thought I'd steal all the keys from the guards so I could go talk to him, turns out you can't get the right key for the door but you can talk to him through the door, but by now I'd stolen all the keys anyway. So i paid off his bounty for him so he would talk with me, and after i got the information he called for the guards to release him and they replied "Sorry, it seems I've lost my keys, you will have to wait till I find them.".

Not sure if he says that even if you don't steal the keys but it was pretty awesome.
ravn0s
Posted 08:24pm 17/11/11
- First of I used this tool to mod my game to allow more than 2gb ram used at a time. Why bethesda didn't think of this who knows. Got quite a FPS boost I must say and stopped all CTD I was having.


ffs. did this and got the error 51 message so i validated the files like the site said. it came back saying2 files didn't validate so i have to download them. now i need to download 4 fucking gig.
DM
Posted 08:33pm 17/11/11
Wow sorry about that Rav. Worked fine for me else I wouldn't of recommended it.
ravn0s
Posted 08:48pm 17/11/11
cant play for rest of night now :(

and it's downloading at 50kbps

last edited by ravn0s at 20:48:43 17/Nov/11
Tollaz0r!
Posted 09:03pm 17/11/11
Seemed to have worked for me.
Infidel
Posted 09:49pm 17/11/11
Hmm I'll give it a go later at home too, seems like its not running as it should on my pc
BladeRunner
Posted 10:26pm 17/11/11
Running the memory thing, works fine so far. I have found myself cheese'ing through some things here and there, got me an ebony war hammer at lv19.
Viper119
Posted 11:31pm 17/11/11
DM, how do I smith up the awesome on my sword? Do I use the grindstone to improve it?

I was going to install the memory mod, might try to validate the files first! Did you lose your saves Rav, or does Steam keep them?
DM
Posted 01:02am 18/11/11
Heres how you improve weapons. Take them over to the grindstone and have the required metal to smith into it (Whiterun has a smelting station for making your own metal bars too) The strength on the improvement is based on skill level I think. You only have to improve it once as it will skip other levels of refinement and go to the highest one, meaning a brand new iron dagger refined will go right to exquisite rather than fine, then superior and so on.

You can't improve orcish weapons if you went light armor skills only. Skyforge weapons you get from the companion quest, i'm not sure about or what it's classed as. I just know that I went light armor smithing, had 72 points on it including magical item skill and was able to.

The easiest way to level smithing is to buy as many leather strips as you can (and/or buy leather and strip it) and buy as many iron ignots as you can. Whiterun is good as there are 2 smiths who don't have linked inventory right where you spawn. Each day they refill and have about 15 leather, 20 strips and 20 something iron bars each. Make iron daggers until you are 100. That simple.
ravn0s
Posted 09:15am 18/11/11
Did you lose your saves Rav, or does Steam keep them?


better not have lost my saves, otherwise i wont be playing the game again for a very long time. screw playing the same 30hrs again.
deadlyf
Posted 09:31am 18/11/11
Saves are in My Documents, Steam won't touch them. You can even delete the game and reinstall and it doesn't normally affect your saves. I've deleted Fallout 3 from Steam but my saves are still there.

I'm up to 1.5GB for my save folder for Skyrim.
ravn0s
Posted 09:34am 18/11/11
I'm up to 1.5GB for my save folder for Skyrim.


wow. i feel sorry for ps3 players. the game starts fucking up for them if they have over 6mb of save files.
skythra
Posted 10:11am 18/11/11
Got fkn owned by a troll outside the town near the graybeards. So I tried to kite him back into the town and everyone turned on me!

I haven't even bothered to take on a giant since I'm getting crushed by trolls. The only things I can kill are bandits. Starting to feel shit at this game :(

95% of the time, a giant will hit me so hard that i'm dead before i hit the ground.

It's obvious i'm dead before I hit the ground, because if I hit the ground before I'm dead, my body lies crumpled on the ground.

If I die before I hit the ground, my body bounces into the sky, and the skybox is impressively high.
kappa
Posted 10:17am 18/11/11
I took on a few frost trolls last night and managed to take them down by equipping the mana regen robes + dual flames and just kite around him with whirlwind sprint. But it only works on enemies that walk really slow.

Also I was attacked by a frosty dragon and it fkn crushed me :S
demon
Posted 10:39am 18/11/11
Demons scoring for a 10/10 game ;

Can I shoot things in the face : (Check)
Can I stare at the pretend peoples boobs : (Check)
If I hit people the right way do they gib : (Check)
Do the NPCs steal my armour like Frogbot : (No)

9 out of fucking 10... needs more rally stages in the carts.

haha keato i lol'd so hard when i read that 2nd line coz last night playing skyrim...



shot all those fukrs in the FACE @!!@# ;D

i am lvl12 atm... wood elf majoring in archery, stealth & destruction. i phear no frost trolls! just burn them with my flames whilst smashing them in the face with my flaming orc mace. killed 6 frost trolls so far but only 3 dragons. i had one dragon hassle me when i was stuck in this enclosed courtyard... i took it down to about 1/3 of it's health with arrows n the fukn thing flew off & i couldn't chase it coz i needed to talk to an npc to get out of the courtyard :(
ravn0s
Posted 01:44pm 18/11/11
wish headshots did 2-3 times more damage then they do currently. i want to one shot kill those damn draugr that have a shitload of hp. they use shouts too which is fucking annoying.

also do you need the third word for the force push shout (cant remember name) to blow enemies away? ever thing i use it on only pushes them back a few feet.

last edited by ravn0s at 13:44:33 18/Nov/11
DM
Posted 01:45pm 18/11/11
Just took this now.
Link

Won't link a 1920x1080 photo. Anyway Lv 28 sneak based assassin character who is a badass smither. Wearing full Jester costume (0 armor all the way!) which lets me do 30x damage sneak attacks with my 27 damage +10 HP steal dagger. So far i've yet to find someone who lives after a backstab. Hell I even have an Epic Ebony bow which does 50 damage, + the 10 arrow damage.

My follower is a daedric worshipping priestess who I recruited after a quest line. Won't say where but if you want to know, you can see the name and look it up. I made her the ebony suit and she tanked a frost dragon that landed 10 minutes ago and would 1 shot me in melee range. She's a bad ass, has all Lv 2 destruction spells as well as Ice Storm that I know of, and can summon flame antiorchs if needed. Best follower i've come across so far which is a shame since my character's playstyle is suited to being a loner relying on stealth.

I always laugh when I shoot some poor dude right in the side of the head, he falls over dead, and his alerted pal after 20 seconds says "must of been my imagination". Yup his imagination shot him in the head with an arrow.
ravn0s
Posted 01:47pm 18/11/11
does she heal DM?
DM
Posted 01:49pm 18/11/11
Not sure. Only had 1 serious fight and she stayed over 1/2 hp the whole time. Do any companions heal or are resto based casters?
arc
Posted 01:52pm 18/11/11
I'm on the verge of assassinating the imperial emperor. not long now until my name spreads across the land and all will cower in fear
StopShootingMe
Posted 05:03pm 18/11/11
My cat guy is so stealthy it's almost embarrassing. Boss fights resolved with close quarters knife work, never having been seen. Not exactly epic fights :)
ravn0s
Posted 05:21pm 18/11/11
My cat guy is so stealthy it's almost embarrassing.


they start off with the highest sneak (+10). my character is a wood elf so only started with +5 sneak, but my sneak is 60 i think.

deadlyf
Posted 05:54pm 18/11/11
I've found a couple of those masks that were mentioned earlier. They have some badass stats and the armour can be improved through smithing. They don't show up on the map like the dragon sites do but they are always near a ruin that will show up, or have been so far.

I have two Housecarls now, bitches love Thanes.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 06:16pm 18/11/11
I got a mask that is +20% Archery, +20% Sneak, +20% somethingelse
Dazhel
Posted 06:47pm 18/11/11
My cat guy is so stealthy it's almost embarrassing.


Heh yep, I just love playing khajit because it helps me in my goal of stealing anything that's not nailed down. I was in Solitude last night and ran into the first lot of thugs sent after me from someone in Eastmarch.

Was hiring three dudes to schlep halfway across the continent and beat me up because I stole a few tomatoes a great ROI? ...really?!
DM
Posted 06:56pm 18/11/11
Pickpocketing is incredible to make money. Seemingly EVERY NPC is carrying at least 400g worth of loot. Some over 1000g. Join the thieves guild, do 2 missions to unlock the fence and become rich!
ravn0s
Posted 07:03pm 18/11/11
unlock what fence? i've done heaps of thieves guild quests and dunno wtf you're on about.
fpot
Posted 08:40pm 18/11/11
He means make the fence available to sell stolen stuff to.
ravn0s
Posted 09:14pm 18/11/11
oh so he means tonilia then? does she only update once per day? i almost always have over 1000g worth of stolen shit :/
fpot
Posted 09:28pm 18/11/11
Well I am not sure how the mechanics work but after picking away at the thieves guilds quests for a bit I noticed she had 1500, so it seems to go up.
ravn0s
Posted 12:11am 19/11/11
also looks like if you put some points into the speechcraft perk, you can increase the amount of money they have.

just got the nightingale blade in the thieves guild quest line. nice looking sword.
Infidel
Posted 12:38am 19/11/11
I just run around swinging a bad ass two hander sword and throw dead foxes off cliffs
Viper119
Posted 12:40am 19/11/11
Yeah the merchants lack of gold sums is annoying, makes selling of loads of loot quite tedious and time consuming. There's a speechcraft perk that enables them to have over 1000 gold.
StopShootingMe
Posted 12:50am 19/11/11
The easiest way to level smithing is to buy as many leather strips as you can (and/or buy leather and strip it) and buy as many iron ignots as you can. Whiterun is good as there are 2 smiths who don't have linked inventory right where you spawn. Each day they refill and have about 15 leather, 20 strips and 20 something iron bars each. Make iron daggers until you are 100. That simple.

Thanks, DM, that was an easy level up to 100 :) Though I'd recommend three additions:
1.) when your vendor runs out of iron ingots, use the leather and leather straps to make Hide Bracers, easy XP without iron,
2.) travel between Whiterun, Riverwood and Markay, four good blacksmiths between them means little waiting for inventories to respawn, and
3.) if, like me, you've collected a lot of crappy low level soul gems by now, take some of your iron daggers or hide bracers you just made to an enchantment table (there's one in the Jarl Hall in Whiterun) and level up enchantment as you go. The resale value on the items you made will be way higher, and you learn another useful skill, as well as leveling up.
deadlyf
Posted 01:01am 19/11/11
I got my dragon armour, was hoping for new weapons but you only get armour from it.

Tip to those doing smithing, get some +Blacksmith enchants. Even at 100 skill, if I wear my blacksmithing gear I can increase the damage of weapons and armour of gear beyond what I would normally get.

Speaking of vendors, since the light dragon armour doesn't use any bones I had about 20k worth to sell. That took some god damned time, I even made some of the heavy armour but none of the vendors had enough cash for it as it vended for about 1800 gold.

Another hot tip is find yourselves the Lovers Stone, it increases the rate you learn for all skills
DM
Posted 01:08am 19/11/11
Gotten my enchanting up to around 78 and am quite happy with my fiddling. So far i've reduced destruction spells by... 65% and still have another 20% to add when I find a decent hat to wear. Very beastly being able to cast monster spells like Ice Storm and never run out of mana.
skythra
Posted 01:55am 19/11/11
Yup lost 5 hours of gameplay because one of my companions i forgot about attacks imperials on site. I kept him in my party because the quest he's following me for seemed to have bugged. I forgot he was there and started some other quests, and there's not many guards around in all of skyrim anymore; they're nearly all dead so i don't exactly run into them often.

Anyway I blundered and my auto save triggered 3 times in a short period, so i couldn't autosave dismiss him and then go, because as usual some random dragon showed up and instinctually, in the middle of the fight over guards, I auto saved after the dragon (if my hp/mana or stamina guages run low, i just press back/a and then im at full hp and autosaved... great for dungeons for save healing). Long story short i didn't notice one of my companions was missing until a couple of saves later i realised she wasn't catching up.

Found her corpse and I can't exactly carry all my own loot i dumped onto her. :S

My losses:
Dragon claw necklace
about 8 quests, separated into 3 main quest lines..
loot and armour
about 9 new places I added to the map
Couple of caves cleared

Alternative is otherwise is losing the companion.

Not ideal to lose her because she's my tank. I'm a caster so i tend to stand back or sneak fireball things.

Either way enough of that game, i might come back and play the quests i lost again or decide to stick with the completed quests and ignore the lost companion. Time for a break.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 09:08am 19/11/11
O noes I'm in a pickle. I scaled back the difficulty setting to adept as I was getting super tough bandits and my 'epic' fights where kiting AI so they couldn't 1-2 shot me. Now at adept I smash everything I come across with ease. :(

m3nt4l
Posted 09:20am 19/11/11
After playing this game I keep french braiding and plaiting my daughters hair.
Monkeez
Posted 10:32am 19/11/11


How do the guards know who shot the arrow straight away? GOTY?
ravn0s
Posted 10:51am 19/11/11
haha
arc
Posted 12:52pm 19/11/11
*epic screenies removed due to possible spoiling*
Thundercracker
Posted 12:02pm 19/11/11
I need to get my enchanting on, especially if that means I can pew pew away in combat and not run out of fucking mana :/
ravn0s
Posted 12:13pm 19/11/11
please edit your post arc. those look like major spoilers.
DM
Posted 12:36pm 19/11/11


Like a boss


Dazhel
Posted 01:02pm 19/11/11
haha Monkeez & DM those were great

That horse one reminds me of the opening scenes in Oblivion when Patrick Stewart as Uriel Septim comes to visit me in the dungeons - he's talking, talking, then suddenly falls completely through the prison cell floor and disappears. I'm like, "...uhh...ok" and now there's nothing to trigger the game to start.

Thankfully it was a re-roll so I knew if I didn't exit and start again I'd be waiting for a very long time.
DM
Posted 01:57pm 19/11/11
Yeah at enchanting Lv 100, you can enchant X magic school mana cost reduced by 25% to 4 parts of armor. Chest, Head, Ring and Amulet. Tada you now have hax. Oh if you cant be arsed using conjured weapons to fill your soul stones, apparantly it works if you give your companion a soul stealing weapon and fill them up with soul gems. I don't think companions trigger charges to be spent on their weapons so it works well. Just don't get all the kills.
deadlyf
Posted 02:13pm 19/11/11
It sucks that you can't re-enchant gear you already have once your skill increases. I have something like 190 damage on my bow now, I could actually increase it a bit with an increased enchanting skill but I would have to make a new set of gear so I'm just going to wait until I have maxed enchanting out.
ravn0s
Posted 04:14pm 19/11/11
just became a nightingale. the armour looks badass

Tanaka Khan
Posted 04:41pm 19/11/11
Hey guys, I heard that if this thread gets to 1000 posts Rev will be giving everyone handjobs again!
Eorl
Posted 04:44pm 19/11/11
Lets do this shit then! God dam I'm having to much fun with this game. Thank god I am in uni break. Only thing getting in the way is work now, and sadly I need to pay bills!

Just rocking around doing sidequests now, found this Lllia chick in a crazy backwards tower. Was creepy as fuck. Anyways, only gotten through the second bit of the main quest, Greybeard part. On my way to Riften at them moment, apparently there is a bounty for a dragon's head.
DM
Posted 05:09pm 19/11/11
I have no clue what has happened but suddenly I have unlimited mana. I did a quest for the illusion trainer at mage college and now no spells drain it at all. Even getting hit with lightning does nothing. The fuck?
Eorl
Posted 05:11pm 19/11/11
I have no clue what has happened but suddenly I have unlimited mana. I did a quest for the illusion trainer at mage college and now no spells drain it at all. Even getting hit with lightning does nothing. The fuck?

Weird, maybe they gave you a buff or something. Go tab > magic > effects and see if there is a buff that is doing it. Otherwise restart TESV.
ravn0s
Posted 05:11pm 19/11/11
hate that you need to do a spell to get into the mage college. i don't have enough mana to even do the damn spell.
Eorl
Posted 05:24pm 19/11/11
hate that you need to do a spell to get into the mage college. i don't have enough mana to even do the damn spell.

Then why are you trying to learn to become a mage?
DM
Posted 05:34pm 19/11/11
Yeah it was a bug with a buff he gave me. +100 mana for 2 hours but instead gave me unlimited mana.

I'm messing around with a illusion/conjuration mage who has sneak secondary spells. So far it's going very well. Frenzy/Calm people until a body shows up I can raise and then all hell breaks loose. Dragons may be tough but I have some 1H skill for that. I love raising animal zombies to help me out and it's funny as hell to see a rabbit attacking. It's a very fresh break from the standard destruction based mages.

EDIT - Just walked into a room with lydia, this guy and my rased draugar guy and I just sat there doing nothing. I have a small army thanks to this play style. Necromancer Illusionist ftw!
I'm doing this quest in a ruin with a guy following me to help clear it out. I sneak up to a door, open it and see a body I can raise to get the ball rolling. Turns out it's 1 of his dead family members and he is going to this big speech about how he shouldn't of let her go in alone. Meanwhile she is standing next to him going uuuuuhhhhhh in zombie mode. many lols were had.

last edited by DM at 17:34:03 19/Nov/11
Eorl
Posted 05:39pm 19/11/11
Haha, I did that quest before, was fun. Should try conjuration for my next character. Though I'm thinking maybe 2h/Conjuration/Heavy Armour.
ravn0s
Posted 07:13pm 19/11/11
Then why are you trying to learn to become a mage?


i'm not. i need to get in there to finish some quests.
Eorl
Posted 07:31pm 19/11/11
i'm not. i need to get in there to finish some quests.

Ahh I see then. Try a potion that increase Magicka points by ~20 points. I haven't gotten to any guilds yet :P Still farting around.
deadlyf
Posted 07:32pm 19/11/11
You can get potions that increase your mana for a minute or so.
Fish
Posted 07:39pm 19/11/11
Figured out what was causing everyone to attack me in Dragonsreach. I had set a Fire Rune on the ground ages ago, and someone kept walking across it, causing it to light them on fire and thus make everyone kill me.
Lol, sounds like a plot from CSI:Dragonsreach
ravn0s
Posted 07:55pm 19/11/11
im loving the nightingale gear i have. full set of armour plus bow and sword. can stand right in front of an enemy and let him walk into me and then around me and they still wont see me.

how much gold does everyone have? i have over 30k. i should probably buy a house or something.
Eorl
Posted 07:59pm 19/11/11
Lol, sounds like a plot from CSI:Dragonsreach

Felt like it. I spent a solid hour trying to figure out why people were attacking me. Thought I was triggering something in the dialogue for them to attack.
Sc00bs
Posted 09:13pm 19/11/11
This games pretty decent, looks like you could wax ALOT of hours in it. I'm so noob at this game sometimes, was stuck in this vampire dungeon bit for aaages trying to kill the master vampire :(

deadlyf
Posted 09:56pm 19/11/11
how much gold does everyone have? i have over 30k. i should probably buy a house or something.
I have two places so far one in Whiterun and one in Solitude, I'm not sure if there is really anything else to spend all of the gold on. I have heaps of junk stashed at both places because I can't be assed chasing the vendors gold around. I only loot corpses for gold, arrows and the occasional trinket now, whereas at the start I was grabbing as much as I could carry. So many naked corpses in my past. I also got a transmute spell so I can transmute iron ore to gold.

I haven't bought a horse yet but I seem to have one spawn near me every so often when I port somewhere but I prefer to whirlwind around the place.
Thundercracker
Posted 10:00pm 19/11/11
This games pretty decent, looks like you could wax ALOT of hours in it. I'm so noob at this game sometimes, was stuck in this vampire dungeon bit for aaages trying to kill the master vampire :(


I'm finding some of the bosses to be complete bitches to kill, in comparison to the difficulty of the monsters in the dungeon.

One particular boss would two-shot me, and my average spell would take off about 5% of his health. I basically had to cheese my way through the fight by using the shoddy AI to my advantage.
Eorl
Posted 10:49pm 19/11/11
The Spoiler:
Dragon Lords
are fucking hard. But worth it.
ravn0s
Posted 11:00pm 19/11/11
I haven't bought a horse yet but I seem to have one spawn near me every so often when I port somewhere but I prefer to whirlwind around the place.


i got my horse from a quest in riften. his name is frost.
Mosfxx
Posted 12:29am 20/11/11
This game is bloody sick...

Seriously I think my girlfriend left a week ago I haven't seen her since I stuck my G35's on my head and got lost in Skyrim.
3dee
Posted 12:33am 20/11/11
My character named Teloth. I want to use Elven armour cause it looks cool but it's actually worse than my steel armour :(

DK
Posted 01:09am 20/11/11
Is anyone else playing a mage? I am finding them really weak and feel like I have to kite everything. the constant magic swapping is annoying.

Is it weird that my lighting spell does way less damage then an arrow from a bow? I think I must be doing something wrong.

I think I want to go warrior or something where I am not constantly kiting like a bitch
arc
Posted 01:16am 20/11/11
Spoiler:
dont look at screenie




the emperor of skyrim
Hogfather
Posted 02:17am 20/11/11
My character named Teloth. I want to use Elven armour cause it looks cool but it's actually worse than my steel armour :(


Elven armor is light, need to go dwarf path for heavy.

Really loving stealth archery.
DM
Posted 02:24am 20/11/11
^ Nothing like taking out a guy in a group chatting and have them all stop looking for you going "must of been the wind". That was some breeze that came through.. look it even carried an arrow into his skull. I do love though when you get that headshot on them and they just go over all rigid, then you run up to them and find you got it right through their eye or something awesome.

And yes elven armor will be less protective over steel since it comes after you can make elven on the skill list.

last edited by DM at 02:24:17 20/Nov/11
Eorl
Posted 07:50am 20/11/11
I use eleven armour as a battle mage, it's light but protective enough. DK, I don't find my guy weak at all, I have the perk that increases spell damage if you use 2 of the same spells, equip flames and your good to go.
BladeRunner
Posted 08:18am 20/11/11
What the game needs is an NPC which can reset you're perk points. Though that would make creating a new character obsolete some what.
Thundercracker
Posted 09:10am 20/11/11
I use eleven armour as a battle mage, it's light but protective enough. DK, I don't find my guy weak at all, I have the perk that increases spell damage if you use 2 of the same spells, equip flames and your good to go.


does your armour have +magicka regen or +magkica? I'm a destro/conjurer and i just find all the good mage buffs are on cloth. im mainly using quest rewards from the mage college quest line.

if your spells are feeling weak, make sure you check back at a vendor to see if you can get the next level of spells. they only become available on vendors when you get high enough level to use them.
Mosfxx
Posted 09:36am 20/11/11
I found a dead Giant out front of Whiterun this morning =\
Eorl
Posted 09:47am 20/11/11
All my elven gear is enchanted with +magicka or +destruction damage or +magicka regen. So I personally don't feel destruction spells are weak, but others might because they don't have enchants.
Thundercracker
Posted 10:36am 20/11/11
I'm finding now at level 14 with decent caster gear I can spam apprentice level destro spells without mana issues. Adept level will drain me tho.

I recommend getting a friend to tank for you as a caster. Makes the lower levels a lot more doable. Just make sure you don't flame them :P
deadlyf
Posted 10:49am 20/11/11
Elven armor is light, need to go dwarf path for heavy.
One thing I'm finding annoying at the moment is that Ebony bows do a lot more damage than Glass bows as standard and you can't skip dorf and orc armour by going around the top like I tried. If you are going for Dragon armour then going the light armour path (Elven and Glass) will be a painful waste of perk points latter on if you also want the best weapons.
DM
Posted 10:53am 20/11/11
Once you start using the 3rd rank of destruction spells (cant remember the name) such as ice storm, fireball and chain lightning you will find yourself going OOM extremely fast. Even on my character who has something like 65% reduction to destruction spell cost, I can blow through my 350 magika in 2 or 3 overcharged ice storms. Getting enchanting to 100 is really a must if you plan on using high level destruction spells at all.
ravn0s
Posted 05:01pm 24/11/11
lol you guys seen this? infinite xp bug



last edited by trog at 17:01:43 24/Nov/11
DM
Posted 02:56pm 20/11/11
I'm using a mod on skyrimnexus called Glowing Ore 3000 which adds coloured bands through the mineable nodes and god there is so much ore that you never see because it's hidden away. That embershard mine you pass when you first exit helgen has like 7 nodes in it when I thought there was only 1 or 2 at most.

My illusionist sneak mage had to come to an end because I forgot that while this build is awesome against humans, animals and later undead and everything else, it sucks balls against dragons. I can't do any damage to them and it's pointless playing a class that can't fight them. Back to the drawing board. Right now I'm planning on taking this new character on a illusion/archery build which seems better. Can incite rage on everyone and then switch to bows.

Oh and there is a killable children mod on skyrimnexus which lets you not only kill them, but has a side effect of letting you PLAY as a kid. So fucking funny (I had way too much fun with this, and was laughing so much) to sneak around towns casing Frenzy on the children and watch them be slaughtered. When it's 1 child against an entire town guard, jarl's bodyguards as well as the court mage it's just hilarious to listen to them yell "I'LL HAVE YOUR HEAD".
skythra
Posted 03:35pm 20/11/11
hate that you need to do a spell to get into the mage college. i don't have enough mana to even do the damn spell.
I was level 3 when i turned up there, by level 4 i found enough gear with +mana so i could go back.
DM
Posted 03:55pm 20/11/11
I think I need a "slow down leveling" mod because i'm Lv 7 and havn't left riverwood yet and only just entered the golden claw temple place. I've only pickpocketed a few people and made some daggers.
Eorl
Posted 06:40pm 20/11/11
Pfft, no need DM. The level scaling system in Skyrim is so much better then Oblivion's. I shall copy paste Reddit's summary.

"With regards to the idea of enemies always being at the player character's level, Oblivion did that (and the system was hated), but Skyrim does not. Rather it uses bracketed scaling... which means that, for instance, a lowly bandit can only develop from levels 1 to 5, whereas a cave bear can level between 9 and 15 (not actual figures). So when you're level 7, you'll think bandits are easy and cave bears are hard. The goal is to ensure each type of enemy has minimum and maximum limits, so that the player can fully explore the world while finding easy enemies as well as difficult enemies in a good balance."

Courtesy here, http://www.reddit.com/r/truegaming/comments/mhwo2/skyrim_leveled_loot_andor_enemies_your_opinion/c313euk
Sc00bs
Posted 06:45pm 20/11/11
lvl 7 at riverwood :/ wow i must b missing alot haha i think im maybe lvl 8 or 9 and ive beaten 2 or 3 dragons and am up to helping delphne i think her name is (just finished sneaking into some party and giving my gear to someone to hold)

last edited by Sc00bs at 18:45:32 20/Nov/11
Eorl
Posted 06:55pm 20/11/11
Doing fine Scoobs. As long as your enjoying it, then your doing the right thing. Start min/maxing on 2nd-3rd character.
Khel
Posted 07:15pm 20/11/11
I've been away so haven't had a chance to play it over the past few days, but I'm level 11 and haven't even made it to Whiterun yet, I just left the first town where you get the archer companion and I've just been wandering around exploring and stuff. Haven't even seen a dragon yet
ravn0s
Posted 07:32pm 20/11/11
im level 31 but i've done so much shit. finished the thieves guild quest line. will probably do dark brotherhood next.

leveling is getting kind of slow atm. if i started working on the skills that i don't use, it would pick up.

last edited by ravn0s at 19:32:54 20/Nov/11
konstie
Posted 07:50pm 20/11/11
i'm so sick of dragons. they come so often it's a pain in the ass!
ravn0s
Posted 07:51pm 20/11/11
i've only killed about 6 in the 40hrs i've played.
Eorl
Posted 08:20pm 20/11/11
i'm so sick of dragons. they come so often it's a pain in the ass!

Your bloody lucky then. I have to seek them out, and will only find them if they are guarding shouts, or once when one attacked a village.
konstie
Posted 08:22pm 20/11/11
i had two attack me at once >.<
DM
Posted 08:26pm 20/11/11
I had a Frost Dragon (1 shot me in melee from over 220 hp) land on top of 2 mammoths and a giant. yeah things didn't end well for him. Just had a dragon attack riften.
Trauma
Posted 08:33pm 20/11/11
What the game needs is an NPC which can reset you're perk points. Though that would make creating a new character obsolete some what.

I respeced my char last night, it was tedious but I got it down. You need to do it via the console. But yea being able to get perk points back some how would be awesome.

i'm so sick of dragons. they come so often it's a pain in the ass!

I've not had 1 random dragon yet. Not that it would be a problem, they seem pretty damn easy to kill. I'm more worried about bears than dragons.

Although since I respeced my char from archery to melee I wonder if they will now be a challenge.
ravn0s
Posted 08:30pm 20/11/11
I've not had 1 random dragon yet.


have you seen the greybeards? i don't think you start getting random dragon encounters until you have.
Trauma
Posted 08:33pm 20/11/11
have you seen the greybeards? i don't think you start getting random dragon encounters until you have.

Nope, that would explain that. Thx.
Eorl
Posted 09:00pm 20/11/11
I've noticed "Dragons" are easier to kill then named Dragons, or Frost Dragons. But holy crap the Spoiler:
Dragon Overlords
are bloody hard.
Dazhel
Posted 09:09pm 20/11/11
Really loving stealth archery.


Yes! I reckon the Thief series kinda lost the plot in the later installments, but Skyrim is making up for it.
Trauma
Posted 09:15pm 20/11/11
I did notice that apart from the first dragon you see they are all called dragon. I best go see those greybeards and see what's up, I sorta just wondered off when I got that quest.
BladeRunner
Posted 09:53pm 20/11/11
I always seem to find random dragons at the West Whiterun Tower if you fast travel there. I also found a blood dragon, not sure there was any difference but it had a flat part on its tale.
deadlyf
Posted 10:21pm 20/11/11
I respeced my char last night, it was tedious but I got it down. You need to do it via the console. But yea being able to get perk points back some how would be awesome.
How do you do that? I want to go down the other side of smithing now that I know the side I went is useless after dragon armour.

I've had a shit load of dragon encounters, got a dragon slayer achieve but not sure how many I have killed in total as it doesn't seem to be listed in the stats. 2 in Solitude and one just outside but mostly I meet them at random. Then again I tend to spend most of play time wandering. I set my mind on going to a quest zone but end up trying to discover every location that hits my radar and find so many cool things that the quest never ends up getting done.

So far I have encountered a couple of named dragons (I won't say how for spoilers), a bunch of "Dragon" dragons, heaps of Blood and Frost Dragons and a couple of Elder Dragons. I've unlocked a shit load of shouts while exploring, the cooldowns are kind of stupidly long for some of the early stage shouts though as they are not very effective.
DK
Posted 10:45pm 20/11/11
pretty keen on rerolling to stealth archer. How do you guys deal with multiple characters? Just remember where your last save was or something?
3dee
Posted 11:03pm 20/11/11
I'm level 18. I've killed 3-4 dragons, haven't finished the three words Greybeards quest yet. My archery is 64 and I have about half those perks. Working on my destruction though.

My magicka, health and stamina are all around 150.
Hogfather
Posted 11:06pm 20/11/11
Heh I've now killed 4 dragons (2 of them blood) at Dawnstar! Feels like a 50-50 that they'll spawn there for my guy for some reason.

Its kind of hilarious because the skeletons all drop in on the road in when I show up ...
Sc00bs
Posted 11:09pm 20/11/11
im level 31

geez :P been playing it none stop matt haha

im switching between this, saints row and bf3. This seems to be getting my attention more so lately as im 50% through saints row and have only played a few hrs of it :/
BladeRunner
Posted 11:35pm 20/11/11
DM
Posted 12:06am 21/11/11
Lv 22ish doing the thief guild quest line and holy mother of fuck is it hard. The mobs sure scale up to my level that's for sure. Even with a 30 damage bow + 10 damage arrows it takes like 15 - 20 to take them down. Oh I AM playing on expert though. More challenge and all I can say is thank FUCK for mercer who can't die. he tanks 4 - 6 at a time. What a beast.
Nerfy
Posted 12:14am 21/11/11
The head of the thieves guild (mercer) is the voice actor of Garrett from Thief. That is so awesome that there are no words for it.

Been playing for an embarrassing number of hours, figured I'd get it over with quickly in a few days but it somehow doesn't end. Have nearly maxed out everything and haven't finished a single major questline, except a few daedric and town ones and maybe the thieves guild, but still have an achievement to get for that... Have yet to do anything for the imperials/stormcloaks/companions/brotherhood/most-of-mages... fuck me. Haven't even been to 3 of the major cities yet, just trying to clean up quests in local areas as I move through them.

And holy shit, that skyrim under skyrim that I only discovered last night... spent like 3 hours there thinking that I just needed to map it out, before realising how endlessly huge it is...
Viper119
Posted 12:22am 21/11/11
Skyrim under skyrim.. !?
Nerfy
Posted 12:25am 21/11/11
Indeed. It's fucking... jesus. Have to do the main quest part way to open it, I probably shouldn't have left that until so late.

Tried to find a clip of mercer from the thieves guild, best I could find was this.

Have also gone after about a jillion dragon shouts, but there's always more to find. I can do so many amazing things now, but apparently not all the things...
Trauma
Posted 12:33am 21/11/11
How do you do that? I want to go down the other side of smithing now that I know the side I went is useless after dragon armour.

You have to use console commands to do it might disable achievements. But you type in player.addperk "perk id"

Get the perk id by typing help "first word of perk name" 4, page up/down if it returns many results. Multi-ranked perks can be a pain as they have several id's, trial and error really. This may be helpful to some extent. In order to remove a perk type player.removeperk "perk id". It will be tedious but doing this you can shift around your perk points, if you're only shifting a few in smithing it wont take long.
Hogfather
Posted 12:35am 21/11/11
32 hours played here, level 22 and honestly feel like I've hardly scratched the game really, only just past the greybeards for main questline and have been to all the major cities now but haven't really looked into questing in any of them aside from Whiterun, haven't done any class guilds, chosen a side in the war or maxxed out any skills! I've walked past ssooo many points of interest and got the explore so I can get back to its that its just not funny.

Given the way every part of the game feels hand crafted for the most part its truly fucking epic. Any other game would string together 10-15 of the sidequests and call it done, for the most part they don't really fee like side quests, just extra game that doesn't fit into the main questline.

This is one of those games that if you're not playing it now in 5-10 years when its dated you will feel like you missed the fuck out because everyone is still raving about it. Get on it if you haven't already, top time waster over Chrissy!
3dee
Posted 12:36am 21/11/11
Yeah I just discovered some huge new plateau with golden leafed trees and the Riften city thing. Didn't know it was there (or maybe I unlocked it?)
Trauma
Posted 12:43am 21/11/11
Seems a better place than most to ask what the spoiler tags are?
Superform
Posted 06:28am 21/11/11
I bit the bullet and started playing I was bit worried cause its single player but it seems ok so far
Tollaz0r!
Posted 08:41am 21/11/11
Trauma, open a tag then use spoiler, so #spoiler# Spoil Her /#spoiler# replace # with < and >.
3dee
Posted 09:05am 21/11/11
Ok? This game freakin' rocks!!!10101!#dkdkd;;zzz
StopShootingMe
Posted 09:23am 21/11/11
...all I can say is thank FUCK for mercer who can't die. he tanks 4 - 6 at a time. What a beast.

Yeah, Spoiler:
you won't appreciate that side of him at the end of that side quest.


last edited by StopShootingMe at 09:17:20 21/Nov/11

*EDIT* And I have to say the Dark Brotherhood were disappointingly easy to wipe out. Didn't even take any damage in that quest. Ancient assassin cult should go down harder and involve a chase backwards and forwards across the world with attempts on my life in my sleep and so on. It occurs to me that I would have made a better head of the Dark Brotherhood than the Thieves Guild, what with my fondness for backstabbing. But the Dark Brotherhood's HQ looks like arse compared to the Thieves Guild, so meh.

I also got made head of The Mages Guild, was way too easy and I didn't want the job. Might have to slaughter the lot of them.

last edited by StopShootingMe at 09:23:29 21/Nov/11
ravn0s
Posted 09:28am 21/11/11
^ should spoilerise your whole post. didn't want to know how dark brotherhood ends since i just started it :(
3dee
Posted 09:29am 21/11/11
Anyone become a vampire? I wanna see what they look like in Skyrim...
ravn0s
Posted 09:34am 21/11/11
well there's a little girl in the dark brotherhood lair who's a vamp. from what i saw she didn't look much different from the usual kids.
Dazhel
Posted 09:53am 21/11/11
Anyone become a vampire? I wanna see what they look like in Skyrim...


They look pretty similar to Oblivion, with the obligatory Skyrim graphics upgrade. There's a quest given by someone in the Blue Palace at Solitude that involves clearing out a vampire cave.
Viper119
Posted 10:05am 21/11/11
I sorted out a vampire conspiracy in Morthal, killed a bunch.. but managed to catch it fortunately, not sure how to cure it? I cured my lycanthropy.
BladeRunner
Posted 10:24am 21/11/11
What my guy looks like currently, I am the one with the Dwarven stuff. Next to me is some guy I found in Morthal or whatever.


Also the Dwarven stuff could use a re-texture. I am sure it will be sooner or later.
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kappa
Posted 10:23am 21/11/11
What's wrong with going through the Elven armor perks on smithing? I just hit 70 so I'm gonna start making glass.

Also if you want a free house + epic 1h mace do this quest I stumbled upon in Spoiler:
Markarth called "the house of horrors".
.
Outlaw
Posted 10:24am 21/11/11
I just ordered this shit.
better be good
DM
Posted 10:58am 21/11/11
Oh I already knew the twist coming with mercer because this was my 2nd playthrough of the guild quest.

Being a vampire is fun if you want to play a sneak based character since they get a 25% bonus to sneak among other bonuses. However if you don't feed at least once every 3 or 4 days you will turn feral and everyone will attack you on stop regardless, and I have no idea how you feed.

Despite being a sneaky character I went heavy armor spec in smithing for my new guy because I have the spell Muffle which lets me move silently I can wear whatever I want and it won't effect my sneak, and also that heavy armor gets stronger bows in the long run.

last edited by DM at 10:58:33 21/Nov/11
3dee
Posted 10:59am 21/11/11
I'm actually switching my armour over to Elven as I didn't realise the light armour benefits (faster running, better sneak). Silly me. An archer Wood Elf with heavy armour?!
Hogfather
Posted 11:14am 21/11/11
I'm actually switching my armour over to Elven as I didn't realise the light armour benefits (faster running, better sneak). Silly me. An archer Wood Elf with heavy armour?!

Yeh I'm rolling full elven with Krosis Mask. Will switch to Dragonscale once I get smithing high enough (80 or so now).

Krosis was a complete bitch to kill, ended up perching up on the mountain and cheap shotting him down.
kappa
Posted 11:17am 21/11/11
I need to start enchanting. Any tips?
ravn0s
Posted 11:32am 21/11/11
just disenchant all the magical armour/weapons that you dont want to use. collect soul gems from around the world and use soul tap to trap enemy souls when you kill them. then use those gems to imbue armour/weapons with enchantments you've learned.
DM
Posted 11:34am 21/11/11
Make iron daggers and then enchant them and sell for 100 - 150g each depending on enchant level. As for actually getting the soul gems you can either give a melee companion a soul tap weapon and a ton of stones, use soul tap spell or get the conjure weapons skill which auto casts it on weapon attack.
kappa
Posted 11:52am 21/11/11
Thanks. The new mace should take care of the soul gems.
demon
Posted 11:58am 21/11/11
i had this epic dragon battle outside of some village near Riften & these 3 riften guardsmen watched the whole thing without doing anything. so i killed the dragon & am absorbing it's soul n the 3 guardsmen run over & start checking out the dragon corpse. each guard bumps me as he goes by n the first says "could you be the DRAGONBORN!?"... next one says "keep your eyes on the sky stranger" & the last one says "keep your hands to yourself sneak thief!" :p i was gonna pwn them but then i saw a butterfly n chased it across the paddock for it's sweet sweet wings.

i dunno why but i get really bored with talking to the npcs to get quests. they start on some ramble about the backstory & i tab on thru the convo & look at the mission in my journal later. i've got tons of quests i've never even started. lately i've just been wandering around the map looking for dragons guarding shouts & killing them.
3dee
Posted 12:13pm 21/11/11
So with the whole infinite quests thing, you could theoretically level up everything to have the ultimate character of awesome?
kappa
Posted 12:14pm 21/11/11
Skyrim funny ...

ravn0s
Posted 12:16pm 21/11/11
As for actually getting the soul gems you can either give a melee companion a soul tap weapon and a ton of stones, use soul tap spell or get the conjure weapons skill which auto casts it on weapon attack.


thought your character had to get the death blow for it to work, or is it just whoever has a gem?
Hogfather
Posted 12:20pm 21/11/11
Need to post a screenshot from last night!

Was cruising a dungeon and one-shotted this chick into the wall with a sneak shot. I remember it being really satisfying because she got completely smashed into the iron grate right when she was saying "I guess its my imagination" while standing over her dead friend with an arrow in his eye.

Anyway, 5 minutes later I activate a chain pull to open the grate ... she gets ragdoll-launched into the air and is left hanging in the doorway, my arrow had pinned her by the wrist to the grate. You may have had to be there but it was awesome :)
BladeRunner
Posted 12:36pm 21/11/11
I have only recently starting trying enchanting. What I did is I made a bunch of hide bracers and enchanted them with crap souls etc. Made them worth more to sell to the vendors too. Dis-enchant any magical stuff you don't want to learn that particular enchant. Other than that I have no idea.

I have my smithing up to 63, trying to get some Orcish stuff now. Speaking of Elven Armour...
http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=785
I like the look of it. Its a nice change from the dirty golden elven armour.
demon
Posted 12:36pm 21/11/11
Anyway, 5 minutes later I activate a chain pull to open the grate ... she gets ragdoll-launched into the air and is left hanging in the doorway, my arrow had pinned her by the wrist to the grate. You may have had to be there but it was awesome :)

that is the stuff that makes skyrim awesome :)

like when you pick up a dead body by the head n raise them up so their feet are off the ground & start walking till the body is swaying then just stop but keep holding the e key down. the body sometimes starts oscillating from side to side until it goes over the top & starts spinning n then flings off at high speed. much hilarity :D

or when you get off a horse in a tight spot on the map & as soon as your feet hit the ground the horse shoots off across the landscape :p it's also cool to ride a horse into deep water... it's like your own little boat.
arc
Posted 12:43pm 21/11/11
i had this glitch where I jumped on my brotherhood steed 'shadowmeer' but my toon disappeared leaving just the riderless horse. i could gallop around but the dismount key wouldn't work.. so basically I became the horse and ended up grazing in the fields outside solitude for eternity.
deadlyf
Posted 12:45pm 21/11/11
What's wrong with going through the Elven armor perks on smithing? I just hit 70 so I'm gonna start making glass.
The only problem is you won't get the best weapons once you max your skill out. So you will have the light Dragon armour making Glass redundant but can't max out Ebony weapons as you didn't train it going the Elven/Glass path. Glass weapons are weaker than Ebony ones before you improve them.

It's not a huge deal I guess as an improved Glass weapon still does a lot of damage but it's just a little annoying that you could be doing more.

I keep having an imperial soldier run up to me at random when I fast travel to an area. I think he is going to talk to me but then he just turns around and runs off...
Hogfather
Posted 01:17pm 21/11/11
It's not a huge deal I guess as an improved Glass weapon still does a lot of damage but it's just a little annoying that you could be doing more.

Get the ebony bow from the labyrinth (best bow in game) and the dagger from the museum quest (at minimum very, very good backstaber), problem solvered :)
Karmadelik
Posted 01:31pm 21/11/11
The horse is by far the most useful (albeit buggy) thing in this game,
My hourse can do the following:
- climb over impossibly steep (near vertical) mountains,
- glide/fly over impossible jumps
- 4WD over impassible terrain
- rock climb up cliff over-hangs

still finding more every day.
ravn0s
Posted 01:42pm 21/11/11
all horses do that
deadlyf
Posted 02:09pm 21/11/11
My horse clipped through a bridge and went splat on the bottom.
Get the ebony bow from the labyrinth (best bow in game)
I can improve a glass bow well beyond what I can improve an Ebony bow, I'm hitting 190 with glass bows and only 160ish with improved Ebony. If I could improve Ebony to Legendary like I can with Glass I reckon I'd be hitting 200.
DK
Posted 02:19pm 21/11/11
Hmm just completed the mage colledge quests. I started them at level 5 now at level 11. People are going there like level 15+ Probably why it was so hard and I felt my mage was weak as.

the mage feels uber powerful now with the 2 pieces of 100% magika replenish gear from the quests.

Also does AI scale as you get more powerful? Or is it certain quests have certain difficulty level?
Nathan
Posted 02:36pm 21/11/11
Haven't been able to play for a few days, I think I'm going into withdrawl :(
Hogfather
Posted 02:39pm 21/11/11
OH SHIT I JUST REALISED I CAN DE MY KROSIS MASK AND PUT THE CHANT ON OTHER SHIT AWESOME

Have to leave work now and level enchanting!
I can improve a glass bow well beyond what I can improve an Ebony bow, I'm hitting 190 with glass bows and only 160ish with improved Ebony. If I could improve Ebony to Legendary like I can with Glass I reckon I'd be hitting 200.

Oh yeh I forgot about upgrades, that blows. They need to implement Dragon weapons ><
DM
Posted 03:05pm 21/11/11
Best shader mod i've seen yet. Based on the ENB series files for skyrim (they mainly fix bugs and stuff but can be used for shader effects) and it looks pretty awesome. Cinematic and Dragonborn modes look cool and even a DOS game effect which is very lol.

Linky

EDIT - Until you use it. Runs like shit. I retract everything I said.

last edited by DM at 15:05:34 21/Nov/11
ravn0s
Posted 03:35pm 21/11/11
OH SHIT I JUST REALISED I CAN DE MY KROSIS MASK AND PUT THE CHANT ON OTHER SHIT AWESOME


would destroy the mask though
Hogfather
Posted 03:36pm 21/11/11
would destroy the mask though

Yeh but I wear the mask for its effect, not much else! Can stick it on other things :D
ravn0s
Posted 03:44pm 21/11/11
what's the effect?

also do you need a quest to do the labyrinth? i have the quest to visit the museum so might do those 2 tonight.
Hogfather
Posted 03:51pm 21/11/11
20% bonus to Lockpicking, Archery and Alchemy

You're after Lost Valkygg for the bow.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 03:55pm 21/11/11
I've got that mask, killed some dude who popped from a crypt near a dragon.
ravn0s
Posted 03:57pm 21/11/11
You're after Lost Valkygg for the bow.


the ebony bow? i think my nightingale bow is made of ebony so might not be worth doing it.
Hogfather
Posted 03:58pm 21/11/11
Yeh Kronis on Shearpoint, what level were you when you killed him? Was crazy hard at 8-9
Hogfather
Posted 04:02pm 21/11/11
Yeh you're right; not sure why I thought that was daedric my brain must be mush after too much late night fucking video gaming ><

(although Nightingale may be bugged for stealth archery at medium range ...)
Eorl
Posted 04:02pm 21/11/11


Would you look at that! Go to 00:40.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 04:02pm 21/11/11
I was level 14ish I think at the time, on expert mode.

I've since turned expert mode off simply because it forced to cheese too often. I'd rather smash through enemies too easily then have to cheese my way through, I wish there was a setting between.

I killed the dragon using up my Dreams in the Staff of Corruption and a few pots then ran towards the words and BAM! I was fighting this bad ass with bugger all pots and average equipment.
arc
Posted 04:42pm 21/11/11
kinda amusing

eski
Posted 04:45pm 21/11/11
haha nice.


A big fuck you to monday too. I need to be in a dark room with Skyrim and I'm in a well lit room with a safety audit.
DM
Posted 04:51pm 21/11/11
Best. Reward. Ever. Behold my ebony mail.

link

When sneaking
link

Stats
link

Good thing is that this poison damage only triggers on people who are enemies and are aware of you. So a oblivious bandit wont get hurt.

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deadlyf
Posted 05:20pm 21/11/11
Yeh but I wear the mask for its effect, not much else! Can stick it on other things :D
Someone mentioned it earlier but there is a place where you can put those masks that may have some kind of pay off if you get them all. I have 3 so far, and I can't DE any of them so dunno what's going on if you can. I also found that +Bow damage does more than +Archery in terms of weapon damage.

I have 4 masks so far, one is the wooden mask, another has 100% magicka regen, then another with +20 carry weight, +20% merchant prices and water breathing (very useful mask!), the other is the same one you have. I keep them all handy and you can also improve them with blacksmithing.
Hogfather
Posted 05:36pm 21/11/11
Ahh yeh that's right, there's a collection reward or some shit for the Dragon Priest Masks, so they are probably set essential.

Picked up a couple of archery / bow helmets anyway, they'll do (going to perk into armor so I need to be a set I think).

Speaking of essential, mucking around off-save the other night I decided to murder a High Priest of Talos and see if I could get away with it :) Turns out I could (he was crawling around waiting to die and I was stealthed still) but he was essential so wouldn't bloody die.

No way to steal his 5000gp, 0% pickpocket staff of awesome :(
3dee
Posted 05:47pm 21/11/11
I need to play this on a projector. With air con on 20. And no lights on.
ravn0s
Posted 06:14pm 21/11/11
Someone mentioned it earlier but there is a place where you can put those masks that may have some kind of pay off if you get them all.


yep on the loading screen sometimes you will see some sort of pedestal thing with all the masks on it.
DM
Posted 08:09pm 21/11/11
For those who want to play destruction but find it weak, here's a mod for you.

I got sick with the impotence of Destruction Magic in the game. Searching here I came across Magicka Empowered, a mod that makes some changes to the magicka system. It was a definite improvement to magic, especially Destruction. But it wasn't quite what I was looking for. So I decided to make my own mod based on the ideas from that one. My goal is to make playing a mage or spellblade highly dynamic and action packed. Having slow mana regen and having to rely on potions etc would be fine if damage in Destruction simply SCALED.

This is the core of the problem in my eyes. Unfortunately I can't see a way to change that. So instead I came up with a different way to make Destruction actually do damage. The key is Dual Casting. As it is now, Impact is stupid - you can stun-lock and slowly whittle away an enemy. BORING. Instead, I've made Dual Casting a HUGE damage boost. Currently I have it set to do 6x the normal spell damage. However, it will use 5x the mana and take 5x as long to cast. You simply can't spam it on big spells, so you either use it for damage or for stun-lock. You kind of have to listen for the cue that dual cast is ready, in 3rd person the animation won't tell you.

In addition, base spell cost is double normal. To compensate for this, I've increased mana regen in combat by a LOT. Mana pool is also very important, simply to be able to cast the big spells at all. A lot of the changes from Magicka Empowered are still in: Skilling up in magic reduces mana cost by more, Destruction perks increase damage by way more (I've bumped it up to 40% and then 100% damage bonus). I kept the changes to Novice Destruction spells, so that the perk makes them cast for free. You can choose to use them instead of letting your mana regen for big spells, though they do paltry damage. I also slightly lowered the power of Enchanting. This spell system only works if you can't enchant stack to get massive bonus mana regen or reduce spell cost to 0. (I'm pretty sure you can only get to about 79% cost reduction now).

Frankly I find Enchanting to be stupidly overpowered. This mod should probably only be used if you are planning on playing a Destruction mage or Destruction spellblade. It is a series of my own personal temporary fixes to stop the sinking ship that is Destruction magic, at least until we can get a real fix like scaling damage. *** It would appear that this change has made it so that Enchantment enhancing potions REDUCE your enchanting power. I see no way around this for now.

TL;DR - faster mana regen, changed perks such as novice level spells are free, BIG damage increase with overcharge casting and big mana increase to balance it
Link



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reload!
Posted 08:23pm 21/11/11
With air con on 20.

you mean in a cold room on -20
now that would be atmospheric
Eorl
Posted 08:32pm 21/11/11
The Dragon Priest Masks are non-disenchantable, and they server a greater purpose. Go to the Labyrinth, you will see.
Sc00bs
Posted 08:46pm 21/11/11
few mods are out already :)

got the lockpikcing one, sick of wasting time breaking picks
the blood one, makes blood look awesome
glowing ores, makes ore deposits vein glow

yay for pc's and mods
Khel
Posted 08:48pm 21/11/11
So by mods, you mean cheats
Sc00bs
Posted 08:54pm 21/11/11
err not really, maybe the lock picking one you could loosely classify as a cheat :/

blood one looks awesome :)
link

much easier to pick locks
link

finding ore = much easier
link
ravn0s
Posted 08:55pm 21/11/11
most mods are here

http://www.skyrimnexus.com/

i've been thinking about getting detailed bodies and faces.
DM
Posted 09:11pm 21/11/11
You can edit the files to turn off the obvious cheat part of the lock picking one but you can leave the lock HP enabled which is fantastic.

EDIT Mods i'm using

-Killable Children
-Lockpicking with cheaty bar turned off
-Some improved textures such as water ripples, signs, water and snowflakes
-FXAA injector with only a slightly colour correction mod on to get rid of the blueish green film over everything.
-Large Awareness patch
-ENB dll file to fix some graphical errors, crashes, glitches and so on

last edited by DM at 21:11:40 21/Nov/11
Trauma
Posted 09:18pm 21/11/11
I'm running about 30 mods, some for animations but most for textures. Also got the large address aware thing to make it use more than 2gb RAM and the FXAA injector for more contrast and saturation.
Enska
Posted 09:57pm 21/11/11
Im just using the LAA thingy and the enhanced blood textures.
I just had a random encounter with a dragon while punching on with some ice mages and I haven't gone to see the greybeards yet. shit was epic, I hid under a bridge and filled it's ass with arrows.

also, you guys using the lockpick thing are softcocks, it's just like Fallout maen. I prefer the method from oblivion, that shit actually seemed as tedious as picking a lock :P
Eorl
Posted 10:00pm 21/11/11
ravn0s
Posted 10:48pm 21/11/11
heh you guys must be pretty bad at lock picking if you need to cheat.

just got that knife from the museum quest. i like the effect "on hit, chance to instantly kill".
deadlyf
Posted 11:20pm 21/11/11
Just found out you can ask the Greybeards for the location of shouts, my shout hunting is about to get a lot more productive!

I also found an awesome samurai looking dragon slaying sword, if only the things would land next to me so I could use it.
Eorl
Posted 12:19am 22/11/11
If anyone wants to make the game look beautiful, with minimal FPS drop, go here http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11
3dee
Posted 01:48am 22/11/11
I turned off 2xAA and turned the resolution up to 2560x1440 on Ultra.

Smooth as silk... and UBER high res.
Viper119
Posted 03:04am 22/11/11
Which mods are people using just to fix glitches? I get a shadow glitch every few minutes.. where the shadows move/shudders incorrectly.

I'm on ultra settings with 2x AA and Anisotropic filtering.
BladeRunner
Posted 07:11am 22/11/11
New patch for skyrim. I am getting CTDs often now where as before I would only get CTD every now and then.
Nathan
Posted 08:46am 22/11/11
18.6mb patch from steam, I haven't been able to find release notes yet. A fair number of people on Steam forum seem to be getting CTD now too, especially if they were previously using LAA mod.
m3nt4l
Posted 09:18am 22/11/11
Loving this game, also making me hard thinking about Fallout 4
ravn0s
Posted 10:01am 22/11/11
not gonna patch game until there's patch notes.
Hogfather
Posted 11:07am 22/11/11
Shit, I think I have auto-patch on ><
Eorl
Posted 11:12am 22/11/11
Turned auto patcher off, phew :P Apparently the crashing is caused by a modded .exe. Which is weird, cause Bethesda have never cared about that, unless it's to stop pirating? Anyways, trying to use the Large Address Issue mod causes the crashes. Shame that.
ravn0s
Posted 11:20am 22/11/11
i had auto patch turned off but it still downloaded. wtf.
Eorl
Posted 11:39am 22/11/11
Ah dammit, same. Fuck, now everything is gonna crash. So gay. And now it crashes 5 minutes in. God dammit. I have about 10 mods running that make the game look awesome, but due to not having more then 2GB of used memory, it crashes.

Edit:

Okay, found a fix. Go to your Skyrim directory, and right click TESV.exe, go to Properties, and then go to Previous Versions. You will see one or two copies of TESV.exe, choose the latest one, and copy it to the Skyrim directory in Steam, this will stop crashes, as it reverts back to the old .exe. There wasn't actually any other fixes with this update, Bethesda just made the .exe encrypted through Steam for some bizarre reason.
DM
Posted 11:46am 22/11/11
I'm not noticing any difference. My game was crashing hardcore last night dozens of times and I HAVE the patch installed.
Eorl
Posted 12:00pm 22/11/11
Do you have the Large Address Issue mod? That will allow the game to use more then 2GB of RAM.
ravn0s
Posted 12:01pm 22/11/11
Okay, found a fix. Go to your Skyrim directory, and right click TESV.exe, go to Properties, and then go to Previous Versions. You will see one or two copies of TESV.exe, choose the latest one, and copy it to the Skyrim directory in Steam, this will stop crashes, as it reverts back to the old .exe. There wasn't actually any other fixes with this update, Bethesda just made the .exe encrypted through Steam for some bizarre reason.


no previous versions show up for me
DM
Posted 12:02pm 22/11/11
yes I did Eorl. All I can think of is maybe it was a conflicting tweak in my INI doing it.
Eorl
Posted 12:06pm 22/11/11
Have my .exe then!!

http://www.mediafire.com/?xyp1u3weayt41lx

Just unrar then paste in Skyrim section.

DM, try this http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11
DM
Posted 12:22pm 22/11/11
Holy crap Eorl, those ini files are gold. So much extra fps now with the same launcher settings selected and yet the game looks much better with even the textures look awesomer. Nice find.
DM
Posted 01:32pm 22/11/11
Well my game is fucked now. At whiterun stables and can't move for more than 5 seconds with the game CTDing. Even trying to fast travel to a different area crashes me. Fucking bethesda and their gay ass broken game engine.
Eorl
Posted 01:59pm 22/11/11
Download my .exe, and then use this http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=202 should stop crashes. Also make sure your speaker properties are set to 24 bit, 44100 Hz quality.
DM
Posted 02:11pm 22/11/11
How fucking sad is it that Legit customers need to back up files, download .exes so that patches don't break the game and yet pirates have none of these issues.

EDIT - Thanks Eorl, thanks to your old .exe file and patch i'm back to playing without CTDs every 5 seconds. Time to turn off auto updates for this me thinks.

EDIT 2 - Here's an awesome video as a thanks


last edited by DM at 14:11:53 22/Nov/11
ravn0s
Posted 02:12pm 22/11/11
game doesn't seem to be running as well now. it sometimes temporarily freezes during combat
kappa
Posted 02:14pm 22/11/11
Anyone know if they've patched the console versions yet?
DM
Posted 02:19pm 22/11/11
Oh and this
3dee
Posted 03:12pm 22/11/11
hahaha. Yeah apparently this update is basically breaking errone's Skyrim and Besthesda doesn't even have anything up on the site.
Hogfather
Posted 03:19pm 22/11/11
Is it confirmed that its everyone and not just people who modded their exe?
ravn0s
Posted 04:25pm 22/11/11
i got the azuras star. is it used for enchanting?
DM
Posted 04:46pm 22/11/11
It's an unlimited uses soul gem. Heard you can upgrade it to a Black Star which can hold NPC souls.
DM
Posted 06:45pm 22/11/11
I really wish some one would write an engine like Havoc but base it solely on controlling water flow and currents. I realise that this would be a pretty big thing to do but don't you think every game company would use it just like tons do with Havoc now? Looking at a river in skyrim it just looks like the water is coming through the banks rather than splashing up against it.
Eorl
Posted 06:50pm 22/11/11
Hog, it seems to only be people who have modded their file with the memory mod. But I have heard people getting crashes who haven't modded their .exe
Trauma
Posted 03:09am 23/11/11
Regarding Thalmor patrols, Spoiler:
So I just got jumped by a Thalmor patrol, I was pissed because I thought it meant that a previous attack of mine on them was coming back to haunt me even though I made sure all witnesses were dead, turns out they will issue assassination orders to kill you on sight and you can pick up that note and read it after you kill em. Kinda cool.
Rawprawn
Posted 03:15am 23/11/11
Spoiler:Spoiled myself with the wiki and figured those guys were jerks. Particularly considering that they haul people away for their devotion to one of their gods. Been killing them when ever I see them. Playing the game on Master though, so if they get in between me and a Dragon, I let them do their thing haha.
Similar notes found on assassins in the Fallout games too Trauma. Good old Bethesda.
Mosfxx
Posted 09:47am 23/11/11
I updated last night and played for 6 hours with no issues and I haven't modified my files so I can confirm but thats just me.

I also found my first treasure map last night had fun trying to find it.

Spoiler:
I did a quest for The Companions last night, I was not expecting a Werewolf to appear!
Hogfather
Posted 09:50am 23/11/11
Yeh played for a few hours last night no problems (no modified files)
Viper119
Posted 09:56am 23/11/11
I've actually taken to reading a few of the books, don't mean to but just keep turning the pages, some of them are amazing! If you're interested in the Thalmer read the one called "The Great War".
3dee
Posted 10:33am 23/11/11
I had modded mine and played it for a bit with no CTD's.
Dazhel
Posted 10:57am 23/11/11
I've actually taken to reading a few of the books, don't mean to but just keep turning the pages, some of them are amazing! If you're interested in the Thalmer read the one called "The Great War".


Yeah I'm obsessive with the books - you get skill upgrades the first time you pick up specific titles, but also they're just awesome reads. I saw somewhere that there's 8 novels worth of text to plough through if you searched out every single book in the game? Not sure if that's accurate but it sounds pretty cool!

There's one book that recalls the entire tale of a great adventurer that saved the empire from daedric armies and the realm of Oblivion 200 years ago... :D
Hogfather
Posted 11:01am 23/11/11
There's one book that recalls the entire tale of a great adventurer that saved the empire from daedric armies and the realm of Oblivion 200 years ago... :D

What would be really awesome would be if it linked to an old save game and inserted info about the character, name, and choices.

TES VI maybe? :)
Nathan
Posted 11:46am 23/11/11
Mosfxx yeah I'm glad I avoided having that part spoiled. I dunno if its a standard part of TES ? but it took me completely by surprise.
demon
Posted 11:53am 23/11/11
no crashes for me last night but i'm not running any mods.

i sold a bunch of dragon bones n scales to the alchemist in whiterun thinking i can buy em back later if i need them... but now she doesn't have them anymore :(
Mosfxx
Posted 12:11pm 23/11/11
Anyone know what the Scales and Bones do, Dragon Armour because it weighs a tonne and I feel bad for Lyndia for carrying my shit.
Hogfather
Posted 12:12pm 23/11/11
If your game is anything like mine you should get them back in no time ><

6 dragon corpses at Dawnstar now, should be 8 but the game crashed after I killed 2 at once the other day (seriously, wtf). 2 Dragon corpses at Shearpoint, fuckers are respawning.
demon
Posted 12:19pm 23/11/11
mosfxx : i dunno either.. i just assume that the bones & scales will come in handy sometime.
hogfather : ahh swoit. :D i have killed 8 dragons so far i think.. first blood dragon last night. i am concentrating on caining the smithing & enchanting atm so my mule (janessa) is chock full of ingots & smithing stuff :D
DM
Posted 12:26pm 23/11/11
Photo time!

link

All that work for nothing, there is no soul to absorb
link

What a hot stud, who wouldn't want to marry this guy?
link

I modded the arch-mage robes. However I think I did something wrong with the files
link

link

Done.
deadlyf
Posted 12:27pm 23/11/11
Yeah there tend to be new dragons at the previously cleared dragon crests. I had two appear last night at once but one was off in the distance and I didn't rate my chances of catching it. The other was not interested in landing and I couldn't grab it's attention. Ended up going off towards the dragon in the distance and it turned out to be a named dragon attacking a village. I also found Notch's Pick!

You only need dragon scales for light armour and both bones and scales for heavy and I think that is the only use. You'll want a bit of a supply as you will probably want to make a couple of sets once your enchanting also increases so I suggest buying a house in one of the cities and storing your shit there.

I had a CTD last night but I don't have mods running. I seem to get them shortly after an autosave when I zone in to an area so they have never had a big effect and I usually use it as an excuse to take a break.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 12:30pm 23/11/11
I've got a massive stock pile of ingots at my house. Soon I'm going to go home, get naked and take all my smithing stuff to the local blacksmith and get jiggy with a bellow..


Hot.
ravn0s
Posted 12:41pm 23/11/11
Anyone know what the Scales and Bones do, Dragon Armour because it weighs a tonne and I feel bad for Lyndia for carrying my shit.


you make heavy armour from the dragon bones and light armour from the scales.
Hogfather
Posted 12:50pm 23/11/11
you make heavy armour from the dragon bones and light armour from the scales.

As previously noted though you need a few scales as well as bones for heavy, but just scales for light.

I'm glad I didn't sell many bones though as I'm switching playstyle a bit and using NPC tanks more, who will need bones.
arc
Posted 01:05pm 23/11/11
I killed this random hermit in the swamp and he dropped a ring.. when i wore the ring and used it it summoned a dragon for me to ride. So now i just fly around napalming villages with fire.








































just kidding.. was a cool story though right?
ravn0s
Posted 01:47pm 23/11/11
wow. bethesda actually recreated all of tamriel and you can take a look at it by nocliping through the boundaries of skyrim.

i remember going down that road and wondering why there was an invisible wall blocking me.



top image is the imperial city in oblivion. bottom image is the landmass in skyrim


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m3nt4l
Posted 01:58pm 23/11/11
Nice, looks like a DLC will open some more up?
Mosfxx
Posted 03:24pm 23/11/11
Wow nice find, I really hope they do DLC would be exciting.
3dee
Posted 03:34pm 23/11/11
I hope the next game is in Valenwood.
Eorl
Posted 03:43pm 23/11/11
Dazhel
Posted 03:44pm 23/11/11
I hope Bethesda is prepping their engine for a game that encompasses the entire continent.
The amount of content required to fill an area like that would be mind boggling, but at the same time the achievement would be outstanding.
ravn0s
Posted 03:47pm 23/11/11
first 1000+ hour game
fpot
Posted 03:47pm 23/11/11
^ apart from mmos I guess.
ravn0s
Posted 03:53pm 23/11/11
yer i meant single player game

if they were going to do that they may as well make it an mmo.
DK
Posted 03:58pm 23/11/11
WOES: the world of elder scrolls?
kr0wb4r
Posted 04:50pm 23/11/11
I got this this morning, am playing a Nord with a bad ass beard, swinging a 2H mace. I've killed some dragons now, and I am wondering how to get my smithing up to the point where I can make dragon armor, I did the basic smithing shit at riverwood with that starting guys uncle, but haven't touched it since. I have a boatload of leather, iron ingots, and then the dragon bones/scales.

I don't particularly want to go to the wiki and spoil everything, so I thought I could get a specific answer here.
Hogfather
Posted 04:55pm 23/11/11
You can make a LOT of iron daggers, its the most economical way to go.

If you want to level enchanting as well (and you should want to do this to make awesome armor) then you should enchant the daggers you make before selling them to vendors.
Sc00bs
Posted 04:55pm 23/11/11
need to get mining pick and go mining in some mines, then melt them into ingots, then blacksmith daggers till ur higher level.. etc
kr0wb4r
Posted 05:00pm 23/11/11
Ooooh kay, so, being a massive noob this seems like a fair amount at the moment.

Where do I learn enchanting, and where do I learn mining?
Hogfather
Posted 05:01pm 23/11/11
Mining you already know, you just need to find a pic and some ore. There's a convenient mine to the west of the Dawnstar lake.

Enchanting can be helped by the mage dude in Dragonsreach.
kr0wb4r
Posted 05:08pm 23/11/11
Ah k, silly me I didn't pick up any of the picks i found in dungeon things. I'll keep an eye out.

I just used the materials I had on hand and made some daggers, got the smithing up to 31. As a rough guide, if you know at all, how high would it need to be for the dragon armor?

last edited by kr0wb4r at 17:08:17 23/Nov/11
ravn0s
Posted 05:08pm 23/11/11
do your crafting in whiterun because there's 3 smiths you can by ingots and leather strips from, and there's an enchanting table in dragonsreach keep.
Hogfather
Posted 05:14pm 23/11/11
I just used the materials I had on hand and made some daggers, got the smithing up to 31. As a rough guide, if you know at all, how high would it need to be for the dragon armor?

100
ravn0s
Posted 05:16pm 23/11/11
what hogfather said. just take a look at the smithing constellation to see what smithing levels you need to be to create certain armours/weapons.

also i think around 5 daggers = 1 smithing level.
Sc00bs
Posted 05:20pm 23/11/11
another awesome tip is to leave items/ingots etc in a barrel near where u fast track into towns until you have a house to store it in =)
so ur not always overweight with stuff ur saving up for smithing/ disenchanting etc
ravn0s
Posted 05:20pm 23/11/11
i just bought the house right next to the smith in whiterun. only 5000 gold
Sc00bs
Posted 05:55pm 23/11/11
ahh sweet thats not 2 bad, i couldnt find any too buy :/
kr0wb4r
Posted 05:59pm 23/11/11
do your crafting in whiterun because there's 3 smiths you can by ingots and leather strips from


Where is the 3rd? I know the skyforge, and the warmaiden, but can't find the 3rd for the life of me.
deadlyf
Posted 06:19pm 23/11/11
War Maiden has 2 smiths, the chick outside and the dude inside. Their coin is linked but they seem to sell different inventory.
DM
Posted 06:57pm 23/11/11
Just found an item "can improve weapons and armor by an additional 12%". DE'ed it and planning on making a super mega smith set with like +100 bonus on it sometime haha. Double legendary bonus ftw! Though I don't see what the point of that would be really outside of a majorly buff shield since i'm playing a conjuration/alteration mage and I get all my armor from not wearing any. (3x mage armor bonus from oakflesh type spells so 100 becomes 300)

Daggers will give you a level every 5 or so made but that only lasts until about Lv 50 or 60, when it starts growing and caps at around 8 or 9 per level. If you buy all your leather/leather straps/iron bars you're looking at around 4 - 5k to get smithing 100. You can either sell the daggers back to the vendor for money, do it 1 at a time to increase your speech skill or keep a bunch for enchanting which will then sell for 50 - 100g each instead of the 5g or so you'd normally get.

This game... seriously. Over 160 hours played and I havn't gotten more than 6 main story missions in on any character. Plan on doing them the rest of the night.
ravn0s
Posted 07:08pm 23/11/11
holy shit 160hrs? im only at 43hrs
Sc00bs
Posted 07:16pm 23/11/11
how do u check your hrs ?
deadlyf
Posted 07:20pm 23/11/11
You can also improve those daggers on the grinding stone for more gold and it will increase your blacksmithing at the same time.

I have enchanted chest, ring and neck with +smithing and have notch's pick which increases it a bit more and then use a blacksmithing elixir which increases it by 30-40%... Now that I have my Daedric bow I've got like 230 damage on it. I'm not too far from maxing out enchanting either but I need a couple of levels for the perk points.

I don't see the point of alchemy any more. Early on it seemed cool to be able to make your own health pots and such but you find so many that eventually you just end up with a huge amount of weight in your pack. They are a good money earner though once you get over the need to hoard them for the "just in case" scenario.
ravn0s
Posted 07:23pm 23/11/11
how do u check your hrs ?


in your steam client go to the library page for skyrim. tells you the hrs there.
Sc00bs
Posted 07:30pm 23/11/11
hmm im bored of my archer/mage guy, starting over wondering if i should go 2 handed dagger/light armor or 2handed axe/heavey armor
ravn0s
Posted 05:02pm 24/11/11


last edited by trog at 17:02:12 24/Nov/11
Sc00bs
Posted 09:21pm 23/11/11
isnt alchemy mainly so you can make potions to get +smith and +enchant abilities?
DM
Posted 10:46pm 23/11/11
There is also things like +magic damage or +weapon damage for 60 seconds or longer so can be used for boss fights. I've yet to level alchemy at all since I hate randomly picking flowers and shit. I dunno I may get into it later.
Nerfy
Posted 11:09pm 23/11/11
I finally did the civil war quest, shittest quest chain in the entire game so far. :/ I was expecting something super epic, with tons of dealing with jarls and whatnot.

The game is starting to bug out after tons of play. Whenever I fast travel to a town or wait, none of the npcs are set to their time-correct positions, and start walking to them from wherever they are (if I wait until 4am, everybody starts walking home, I'm 95% sure that at the start, everybody would be in bed). A dragon randomly fell out of the sky and died. Loot scaling is kinda lame, but not game breaking. Overall still one of the best games I've ever played.
Superform
Posted 11:21pm 23/11/11
i have been picking up all the books and dumping them all in 1 spot since i cant afford a house..

still dont know how to enchant shit
Hogfather
Posted 11:23pm 23/11/11
Finally got smithing to 100 today, had enough scales and bones for a Legendary set of Dragonscale and Dargonbone.

This is me (kitty cat stealth archery and conjuration magic) and my tank!



Not sure if I'll bother perking into the heavy side now, this is probably buff enough :)
3dee
Posted 11:37pm 23/11/11
Hah. Just checked. 18 hours. I need to play more.
groganus
Posted 11:48pm 23/11/11
DM
Posted 12:49am 24/11/11
Not sure if I'll bother perking into the heavy side now, this is probably buff enough :)

Daerdric armor actually has a slightly higher rating over dragon armor so take that perk if you want but I don't think it's much. All up about 30 or so points I think.

Another dragon attacked me in riverwood tonight and it was about 3am when it did so everyone was asleep and only 1 guard helped me out. After killing it and fast forwarding to 9 in the morning everyone was croweded around it going "wow where did this come from" and shit. I couldn't resist, everyone was so close so I saved and started burning my max level destruction scrolls and sent people flying.

Oh and also I was walking down the steps of the whiterun palace and this kid was walking up them. Yup had to do it. Saved and shouted that bitch which sent him flying through the air and smack into a building which I guess people didn't like. Reloaded save and lydia wouldn't stop saying "you'll not get the best of me" until I loaded into a new area. Strange.
Hogfather
Posted 01:08am 24/11/11
Daerdric armor actually has a slightly higher rating over dragon armor so take that perk if you want but I don't think it's much. All up about 30 or so points I think.

Yeh, I considered going the dwarf side rather than elven but I wanted to play through in light armour (really want that stamina perk) and figured I'd spend a long time in Elven / Glass, though as it turns out I skipped glass :P

Bit of a bummer that glass weapons aren't as good as the other side though.

Finally got my Black Star tonight at level 27 .. you do NOT want to wait that long! The daedric mages are really awful at higher level, ended up just charging past them to kill Malys and got yoinked out by the quest guy before the mages could roast me. Was worried I'd need to chant some gear with FR or something!

41 hours in. No real end in sight atm, was about to go to bed and wandered into a cave full of Falmers so I spent an hour sniping them ><
Tollaz0r!
Posted 08:31am 24/11/11
I find that if you doing smithing/enchanting thing. Enchant your daggers with health steal as that seems to give far more value then a +flame damage and the like.

I did my nude smithing last night, no one in the town thought it was strange :(
deadlyf
Posted 08:34am 24/11/11
A dragon randomly fell out of the sky and died.
Same thing happened to me last night, I thought it must have died of fright considering how many of his siblings I had mercilessly slaughtered and then sucked the soul from.
Daerdric armor actually has a slightly higher rating over dragon armor so take that perk if you want but I don't think it's much. All up about 30 or so points I think.
Really? Doesn't have higher stats on my smithing menu. Maybe it depends on your perks though as I have a few point spent in light armour so the light dragons scale is actually better than the Daedric heavy armour.

My Daedric bow is up to 240 though, I can 2 shot sneak attack bosses but it can bug them out so I can't loot them probably because they haven't activated properly before they are dead.
d^
Posted 09:11am 24/11/11
This game... seriously. Over 160 hours played and I havn't gotten more than 6 main story missions in on any character. Plan on doing them the rest of the night.


LOLWUT, you can't be working or study or anything.

The game has been out for 13 days, 312 hours, you've played over half of that time.....
ravn0s
Posted 10:08am 24/11/11
Finally got my Black Star tonight at level 27 .. you do NOT want to wait that long! The daedric mages are really awful at higher level, ended up just charging past them to kill Malys and got yoinked out by the quest guy before the mages could roast me. Was worried I'd need to chant some gear with FR or something!


those guys he summoned that shoot the fireballs were fucking annoying. i managed to kill one then i just hid behind a spike that would stop the fireballs hitting me but i could still shoot the mage dude with my bow.
3dee
Posted 10:10am 24/11/11
I think it's probably a good thing that life is busy enough to not be able to rack up so many hours, me thinks.
ravn0s
Posted 10:12am 24/11/11
i think DM got the game before it was released, if you know what i mean.
agro
Posted 10:18am 24/11/11
im playing a wood elf archer/thief type.

how do i know if i'm too heavy and am getting detected because of it? Also what is classed as 'light' armour, is it banded/leather etc?

so far my character can carry 300 capacity, if im like over 150/300 will i start to get detected more?

ravn0s
Posted 10:23am 24/11/11
i think it's only the armour you're wearing that determines how detected you are plus your sneak level and perks. if you're wearing heavy armour it will make more noise etc.

mouse over the armour in your backpack to see what type it is. it will list light or heavy armour in the top left of the armours stats window.
agro
Posted 10:28am 24/11/11
awesome ravn0s, thanks mate, been wondering that for awhile
DM
Posted 11:06am 24/11/11
m3nt4l
Posted 12:05pm 24/11/11
LOLWUT, you can't be working or study or anything. The game has been out for 13 days, 312 hours, you've played over half of that time.....


Lmao,I've played an amazing 8 hours, and 2 of those hours were my daughters taking it in turns to walk around discovering places for me, they go to their Mum's on the weekend so will rack some time up, yay.
kr0wb4r
Posted 12:34pm 24/11/11
So does this game only take place in the Skyrim area? If so I'll be a bit disappointed that it's really not that big. From what people have been saying it's sposed to be huuuuuge but I've been from Riften to Solitude and Winterhold but it doesn't seem very big at all. When I look at the map riding to somewhere I'm surprised that I get there quite fast compared to what looks like an epic journey on the map.

Other than that, no complaints so far.
Hogfather
Posted 12:39pm 24/11/11
Its not just the landmass though, that whole area has a bajillion dungeons and forts and side quests throughout. Pelting down the road on a horse doesn't really convey how much SHIT is in there.

Get off the road and cross the continent on foot overland ;)
kr0wb4r
Posted 12:42pm 24/11/11
Just me soloing a dragon; jumping on his dead and sticking my hammer in. :D

link
3dee
Posted 12:59pm 24/11/11
The land mass is pretty big...
Tollaz0r!
Posted 01:10pm 24/11/11
I use horse to get around because Skyrim horses have climbing hooks instead of hooves and you can pretty much scale any mountain.
kappa
Posted 01:26pm 24/11/11
I still haven't bought a horse :S

But I do have dragonscale armour now :D
kr0wb4r
Posted 01:34pm 24/11/11
If I leave items in a barrel anywhere will they always be there? I don't have a house yet, but I'm carrying around 250 weight worth of dragon bones & scales and I can't go pick up anything, keep getting too heavy.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 01:39pm 24/11/11
Apparently things can be taken from non-home storage so I wouldn't store it. There are probably places you can store stuff, google it.

Just buy a house, there is one right next to the smithy place in Whitefall for $5000 totally worth it.

Horses with their crazy climbing skills are totally worth $1000. Not sure about the more expensive ones, they also serve as a meatshield.
kr0wb4r
Posted 01:44pm 24/11/11
Well my current predicament is that I pretty much only have Armor, potions and dragonbones on me. I'm overencumbered and in Rorikstead. Nothing I can really drop :(
ravn0s
Posted 02:16pm 24/11/11
give that stuff to a companion
BladeRunner
Posted 02:53pm 24/11/11
My guy looking like a warrior hobo.


I found a horse that was un-owned.
kappa
Posted 03:20pm 24/11/11
krowbar, if you need a house, do the quest in Markarth called "The House of Horrors".
Eorl
Posted 03:46pm 24/11/11
NPC's use what's called Radiant AI, basically they will do shit on their own. If you drop a good sword in the middle of a busy street, chances are someone will take it and either a) kill you, or b) run off. I accidentally dropped a enchanted Elven Sword on the ground in Riften, some bastard ran off with it.

AI will also choose to help or hinder you in battle, I had a bear attack my dragon once, was nice of him. Also, items will stay anywhere you drop/place them. It's exactly like any of the previous current-gen titles Bethesda has released (Fallout 3/NV, TESIV).

Oh yeah, I've racked up 71 hours.
DM
Posted 03:47pm 24/11/11
1.) Do mage quest
2.) Become arch-made and get free house
3.) ???
4.) PROFIT!
Eorl
Posted 03:48pm 24/11/11
Arch-made, haha. Sounds like a nemesis of the kitchen.
Hogfather
Posted 03:52pm 24/11/11
Arch-made house is not next door to blacksmith.
DM
Posted 03:55pm 24/11/11
oh shut up. Arch-Mage.
Sc00bs
Posted 04:01pm 24/11/11
im still really noob with these npc guys :(

i played with that archer chick you get in the begining for ages with my other character and now i have the archer trainer from riverwood as the npc with my new char, where do u get tanks etc?
arc
Posted 04:05pm 24/11/11
I live in a cave with an open roof allowing a bit of rain to filter in. The whole place is lush and green with moss and mushrooms and a small waterfall connecting to waterhole. I usually come back and meditate in there in the mist before I go out and assassinate someone. i also drop potions and weapons and shit in the waterhole for storage.

i call it the mysteri cave

i only go back to my brotherhood sanctuary to threaten babette with my phallic spear
Sc00bs
Posted 04:04pm 24/11/11
If I leave items in a barrel anywhere will they always be there? I don't have a house yet, but I'm carrying around 250 weight wort

i use the barrel outside the trading shop in riverwood and a barrel next to the smithing place in whiterun. I do have enough money for a house but the barrel system is working fine at the moment :P
ravn0s
Posted 04:10pm 24/11/11
just killed 3 dragons in a row. they're so easy to kill now
BladeRunner
Posted 04:50pm 24/11/11
According to steam, I have racked up 73 hours. I have about 40+ dragon bone and 35+ dragon scales so I should be good when it comes to smithing.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 05:07pm 24/11/11
I stored like 15 dragon bones and scales in a barrell in Riverwood and it stayed in there for days, but when I checked today it was gone. WTF? I am pissed.


Hhaha someone posted that on yahoo Answers
Hogfather
Posted 05:35pm 24/11/11
Yeh storing shit in public containers is asking for trouble :P

5k isn't hard to raise!

Edit: Every now and then I do a run through Whiterun off-save to see how many people I can murder etc before going down. Golldir (henchman reward from this quest) and I are now stronger than all of Whiterun combined, only the essentials left standing and only for a few seconds every time they stand up :P
eski
Posted 05:44pm 24/11/11
If you can cast firebolt just head up to the College of Winterhold, they'll let you in and give you a room for free. You can drop all the mage questline after that if you want.
m3nt4l
Posted 08:05am 25/11/11
Hardocp has their ini configuration guide up, which is actually pretty handy, they take screenshots of the differences and show you how many fps you get hit for the edit.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/11/23/tweaking_skyrim_image_quality/1
ravn0s
Posted 09:13am 25/11/11
well got my smithing to 80 last night so i could turn my ebony bow into legendary. is legendary the highest you can go?
Hogfather
Posted 10:45am 25/11/11
well got my smithing to 80 last night so i could turn my ebony bow into legendary. is legendary the highest you can go?

Yeh, but at 80 you must be using a smithing item to get Legendary? Pretty sure raw improvement at 80 is Epic?

You'll probably get better quality Legendary if you go to 100.
Rohan
Posted 11:14am 25/11/11
I abused the sneak glitch at the start to get to 100 sneak. I'm level 18 now. :D
Hogfather
Posted 11:17am 25/11/11
Gotta be careful with boosting, the dungeons scale so you can easily end up with a very hard game if you haven't managed to level combat skills.
ravn0s
Posted 12:49pm 25/11/11
Yeh, but at 80 you must be using a smithing item to get Legendary? Pretty sure raw improvement at 80 is Epic?

You'll probably get better quality Legendary if you go to 100.


yeah i wore gloves that gave a 20% boost to smith improvements. might get smithing to 100 over weekend to make some dragon armour.


did a pretty fun quest last night. had to infiltrate a bandit camp/mine and had to kill everyone without being seen. it's awesome seeing 30xdamage at the top of the sceen as you one shot someone in the back. at the end of the quest i got a full suit of ebony armour off the leader.
Dazhel
Posted 01:16pm 25/11/11
DM
Posted 02:58pm 25/11/11
I was doing the rounds of cities with blacksmiths to get Iron Ingots for smithing/enchanting leveling when I got to riverwood and saw a thief run out of the traders. I chased him down, killed him and he had like 1000g worth of stuff on him in gems and gold. Never seen a thief rob a store before.
Mordecai
Posted 03:46pm 25/11/11
I was doing the rounds of cities with blacksmiths to get Iron Ingots for smithing/enchanting leveling when I got to riverwood and saw a thief run out of the traders. I chased him down, killed him and he had like 1000g worth of stuff on him in gems and gold. Never seen a thief rob a store before.

Was walking to somewhere and a thief stepped out in front of me. Told me to hand over my stuff so I stabbed him. Stole all his stuff. Showed him.
deadlyf
Posted 04:39pm 25/11/11
I bought a horse, Dragon ate it 5 minutes later. Fucking dragons!

I also just learnt that you can sprint, until then I thought sprinting was just normal running.
3dee
Posted 04:41pm 25/11/11
This game is the lols. And full of awesome sauce. Love it.
ravn0s
Posted 04:49pm 25/11/11
I was doing the rounds of cities with blacksmiths to get Iron Ingots for smithing/enchanting leveling when I got to riverwood and saw a thief run out of the traders. I chased him down, killed him and he had like 1000g worth of stuff on him in gems and gold. Never seen a thief rob a store before.


i see them all the time in riften, probably because that's where the headquarters are. guards are always chasing them down and killing them. i just walk up and loot the bodies.
DM
Posted 04:51pm 25/11/11
It's just amazing to me though that after way to many hours of playing this game i'm still finding shit out that is new to me.
ravn0s
Posted 04:54pm 25/11/11
bought a horse, Dragon ate it 5 minutes later. Fucking dragons!


my horse Frost is a beast. he tanks dragons like a fucking champ.
DK
Posted 05:13pm 25/11/11
I bought a horse and a fighting dog. Next minute a dragon turns up and us 3 pwn the dragon. Was really funny
Trauma
Posted 12:01am 26/11/11
BladeRunner
Posted 10:10am 26/11/11
So Prima Guides is having a sale on everything. Including Skyrim

guide.http://www.primagames.com/blog/black-friday-sale-50-all-eguides?ref=email_prima_enewsBFMainad

Edit: I tried buying the guide but it seems like I need a VPN/proxy to do it :(
Mordecai
Posted 10:36am 26/11/11
Never bought a horse but one started following me around after it helped take on a dragon. It would show up when I fast travelled anywhere but as soon as it appeared it would go wandering off on its own never to be seen again until I fasted travelled.
DM
Posted 11:05am 26/11/11
Found this last night. Good view of what settings in the ini files do what.



Oh warning though: ugridstoload command by default is 5. When you increase this higher you get more of the world to load but this also increases your chances at crashing. It goes up in odd values so 5,7,9,11. 11 looks awesome but I don't recommend taking it past 9.

Also once you set the ugridstoload setting higher than 5, it locks it into the saved game so going back from a 7 to 5 value will crash the game. so use this command only if you know the commands to reset it if you start entering crashville.

last edited by DM at 11:05:43 26/Nov/11
orbitor
Posted 02:58pm 26/11/11
I bought a horse from whiterun and it lasted 1 minute. Got on it, road out east a bit and a dragon came down and ate it. there goes 1000 gold hah.
DM
Posted 03:02pm 26/11/11
Time for some lulz









ravn0s
Posted 09:10pm 26/11/11
just watched a vid that shows what you get after you collect all the dragon priest masks and put them on the pedestal. it's very cool.
Sc00bs
Posted 09:15pm 26/11/11
god i wish companies would just optimize their games or atleast try and make easier options than trial and error via notepad :/
Nerfy
Posted 09:22pm 26/11/11
Skyrim definitely has some pretty impressive optimisation, even if it isn't perfect. The install comes in at something like 6 gig (with bajillions of fully voiced characters!) and the load times are near instant, I don't know how they did it.
m3nt4l
Posted 09:50pm 26/11/11
My horse really does not enjoy the company of chickens. Whenever I jump off in a town and go into a traders, I come out and there are always three or four chicken carcasses on the floor surrounding it.
BladeRunner
Posted 09:54pm 26/11/11
Just wanted to share a mod I found.

http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1521

Its not a party unless its a communist party lol
Rohan
Posted 10:12pm 26/11/11
Guys I've only just startd playing this a couple of days ago, but I'm not sure what type of perk build i should go for in regards to a mage/warrior hybrid, emphasis on mage. So far I've got destruction and restoration. I've got a few sneak perks, one handed perks and something else, i can't remember.

Any suggestions on what perk order I should be getting? Enchanting sounds very nice and so does conjuration.
Sc00bs
Posted 10:17pm 26/11/11
i have tried 3 different builds and my latest one seems to be the most fun for me.

- 1st one had no idea, was 2handed warrior guy got boring quick (and didnt realise alt was run, or fast travel by clicking on locations on the map)
- 2nd character was a mage/archer: mage is hard at the begining because of weak spell etc, sort of got the hang of it but was also boring.
- 3rd char started 2 handed sneak guy that just destroys people, and i figured out what the sneak button is and does when combined with backstab/ arrows etc.

I'd b hitting up smithing to make some cool gear, enchanting to enchant gear and alchemy is pretty good aswell for potions. Just pick up ingredients as you go and eat them to find out their effects, then make potions and mix and match a bit :)

So good when you get - magic dmg potions and - frost/fire/shock dmg potions against a pack and mages and they cant touch you as you slice them down with your 2 +12hp drain daedric daggers :P
Mosfxx
Posted 09:23am 27/11/11
I only had my first random Dragon encounter the other day and it scared the living crap out of me, I was walking around north of Whiterun when suddenly I was on fire... WTF I'm thinking, then the Dragon roared.

Spoiler:
I've been pumping through 'The Companions' quest chain lots of fun I finished a cave before where there were 10-12 Silver Hand guys to kill slaugterfest.


I'm playing as an Orc 1H / Shield lots of fun just run in and charge, been playing for hours on end and still only doing the White Run quests...
deadlyf
Posted 11:28am 27/11/11
The bugs are stating to bug me. I fully expect bugs in a game this huge, especially a Bethesda game and the graphic bugs you see posted in youtubes don't bother me at all.

But I'm getting heaps of conversation bugs where the NPC isn't giving me the conversation options. There are a few quests that I collected the items for already and they are in my inventory, I can't drop or destroy them but neither can I complete the quest and give them to the NPC because the conversation option isn't popping up.

I got my amulet of Mara and can't marry the widowed queen. Which is complete bullshit because I can tell she's into me! So I looked up a list of people you can marry and it seems the legendary Dragonborn, Thane of Everywhere can only marry filthy peasants. Apparently you get the option of living with them or them living with you, so you can shack up in their little peasant shanty or you can have them move into your mansion filled with treasure and a personal armed guard so they can embarrass you in front of the royal court with their country bumpkin manners.

1 Mask to go!
DM
Posted 12:22pm 27/11/11
You can force people to marriage state with a console command but you can run into errors when you do this apparently. Not tried it myself.
Dazhel
Posted 12:57pm 27/11/11
You can force people to marriage state with a console command


npc.fatherinlaw.setshotgun 1
Mosfxx
Posted 03:23pm 27/11/11
Anyone actually finished the main quest line yet?
Zapo
Posted 04:00pm 27/11/11
So, I've played about 30 hours of the game yet, doing a heap of quests - majority of which aren't around the major quest line.

I'm enjoying my character, enjoying the world, the exploration and the freedom. Then I started to think about it, a little more and asked myself am I REALLY enjoying it. Sure it's exciting and fun but it was being a little bit like a chore for me.

Quest - fast travel - do thing - find another quest or 'exciting thing- fast travel...Hrm.

I think I put my finger on why I wasn't having a great tie and it comes down to the combat. I'm finding the combat really dull now. Sure there's some freedom there to do what you want and build your character - but after 30 hours I find that freedom is less relevant and I just want to do cool shit - most of which the game doesn't support as I have a core couple of spells that I use. Is it possible for the combat system to be so open - but also so shallow and lack any depth!??

As I said I really have enjoyed the game, but I'm stuck at this 30 hour mark and I just don't have the will to keep going anymore....The luster of the world and it's openess is gone and now I'm left " Elder Scrolls : The Fast Travel and 2 Spell Edition".
BladeRunner
Posted 04:37pm 27/11/11
Found a cool map http://www.gamebanshee.com/skyrim/mapofskyrim.php#null
It also has a PDF version you can then print out.
Cheez
Posted 04:56pm 27/11/11
Mate of mine finished the main story but was way too easy, he spent more than a day leveling his skills made some dragon armor and some beastly swords (dual wield) and was one hitting dragons, so he put it on master difficulty and still too easy of a game. He says there are little bugs to do these sorts of things, like a unkillable horse and just stand behind it hitting it to level weapons. Oh and apparently didn't even notice he had finished the main story, it just continues thru the world like normal.
ravn0s
Posted 05:06pm 27/11/11
thought the dragons would have scaled better than that.
Hogfather
Posted 05:10pm 27/11/11
As I said I really have enjoyed the game, but I'm stuck at this 30 hour mark and I just don't have the will to keep going anymore....The luster of the world and it's openess is gone and now I'm left " Elder Scrolls : The Fast Travel and 2 Spell Edition".

Sounds like you found an OP class mix, I'm at a similar stage and find combat challenging.

Stealth archery is good for assassinating trash but doesn't one shot bosses so I need to work with summons and henchmen to tank tough encounters. I have a weakness vs casters like the dragon priests so am looking at making some resist gear and pots.

I deliberately didn't perk into the 60x dmg or whatever ridiculous backstabbing you can get.

If the dungeons were not challenging at all or were too ha I would have given up ages ago.
Dazhel
Posted 06:56pm 27/11/11
thought the dragons would have scaled better than that.


Indeed.

Level 3: "Dragon!? Oh SHIT!" pew pew pew..heal heal heal...pew pew pew...heal heal...pew pew. OMG!

Level 30: "Dragon!? Bah, how annoying." *ZOT*
m3nt4l
Posted 07:16pm 27/11/11
Yeah, only time a dragon is truly a bitch is when there isn't anything to hide behind and heal. Still find them awesome when they swoop down out of nowhere and start flaming you (I have a sound bug where it is ultra low volume).
Nerfy
Posted 07:44pm 27/11/11
Oddly the dragons don't scale, but those damn zombies do, and there's endless hordes of them. >_<

Anyone actually finished the main quest line yet?

I have. It was all good except for the civil war quests, which were the worst in the game for some reason. It's literally just: talk to annoying one person who teleports everywhere, get told to go kill some random soldiers out nowhere, repeat.
deadlyf
Posted 08:27pm 27/11/11
The Dragons do scale, a lot more so than the Zombies. I haven't come across any normal zombie mob more powerful than the ones that can shout and I can 1 shot them from stealth now, they also make up the majority of the mobs in dungeons whereas earlier they were only boss type mobs.

The Dragons also go up in stages, I think it goes plain old Dragon, then Blood Dragon, then Elder Dragon and I'm up to Ancient Dragon now. I still get random low level Dragons spawn though, although you don't get the tougher dragons until you level it seems you will always get the ones below so they may seem easy.

I think the main problem with the level scaling is that if you focus on one fighting style and max out your blacksmithing and enchanting early on you will end up doing a lot more damage then I think they intended for that level. There are no level restrictions on items, I've been using Dragon Scale armour since level 16ish and I'm now 40ish, same goes with the weapons. I'm using a Daedric bow but I'm only just starting to see Ebony stuff drop and when hunting and imperial bows were dropping I was using a maxed out Glass bow so clearly I'm using gear well beyond what they are expecting for my level.
Dazhel
Posted 08:38pm 27/11/11
I love shooting the zombies down after all the good bow and arrow perks, it's like my dude is Legolas or something. :D

The intro to the Dark Brotherhood quest line was ultra smooth also.
I think it was similar in Oblivion but done even better this time around. >:-)
orbitor
Posted 09:29pm 27/11/11
Dunno if mentioned already, but new ATI drivers are out that provide crossfire scaling...for 6000 series only thus far:

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/catalyst-1111b-performance.aspx
DM
Posted 09:45pm 27/11/11
Eorl
Posted 11:47pm 27/11/11
Hahaha, god this game is to fun.
DM
Posted 01:00am 28/11/11
Ok this mod is amazing. Adaptive bloom, saturation and all sorts of good shit. Doesn't really approve of some ATI cards though so can hurt fps a bit.

However for ATI users with single card systems here, you might want to try and download this which came from this guide about skyrim tweaking. I didn't notice any difference but it's not ment to really work for xfire cards. There are 2 conflicting methods for using this so try both and see if they work. Some people report 20 - 30 fps boost outdoors.

- unzip it into your skyrim directory and load the game.
- if that doesn't work, rename the file to atimgpud.dll and overwrite the previous one (having backed it up of course).

For 6000 series cards to the new 11.11b drivers work rather well for me too. Try them if you want.



last edited by DM at 01:00:32 28/Nov/11
Nerfy
Posted 02:47am 28/11/11
The Dragons also go up in stages, I think it goes plain old Dragon, then Blood Dragon, then Elder Dragon and I'm up to Ancient Dragon now.

Yeah I was basically killing ancient dragons with 4 steel arrows. :P

The Dragons do scale, a lot more so than the Zombies. I haven't come across any normal zombie mob more powerful than the ones that can shout and I can 1 shot them from stealth now

Man, every crypt thing that I go into, just has endless elite drauger things that take like 7 arrows to the face to kill. If I stealth it reaaalll carefully I can kill most of them while they're still sleeping with an arrow to the head (sometimes it just does about 80% damage even then), but my hours on that game was getting embarrassingly high and so that became less of an option. :P
Superform
Posted 04:54am 28/11/11
i kinda quit this game ever since i was running into a wall and went afk and went from lvl 10 to 19...

fail game.. would rate it 7/10
m3nt4l
Posted 06:27am 28/11/11
It's a shame your companion doesn't jump onto the back of your horse, I keep losing them in the mountains.
Mosfxx
Posted 07:22am 28/11/11
Haha DM that video is hilarious!
Dazhel
Posted 08:51am 28/11/11
Yeah I keep getting paranoid about losing Lydia because I've squeezed through some gap in the scenery on a mountain and she won't follow me. I think the companion pathfinding AI has an algorithm where it just has to use the roads (which is typically the long way) and if it can't find a path it'll eventually give up and scotty beams her over to me.
It can take a while though so sometimes I hit T to wait for 1 hr and she'll just appear.
Mosfxx
Posted 09:10am 28/11/11
Anyone else find the horses incredibly slow?
ravn0s
Posted 09:12am 28/11/11
only slow if you're not holding down sprint
Seven
Posted 09:34am 28/11/11
Kudos DM for finding that!
3dee
Posted 10:42am 28/11/11
Err yea.. So wrong thread. my bad.
Sc00bs
Posted 12:23pm 28/11/11
anyone else have a bug at the end of the dawnbreaker mission ?

Everytime i press the final button and it starts loading up to send me back to statue it crashes :(

looks like ill just have to skip that mission :'(
DM
Posted 01:11pm 28/11/11
Because who doesn't want a swearing mudcrab mod?
DM
Posted 08:48pm 28/11/11
This picture sums up why there needs to be an overhaul in AI.

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This shit isn't acceptable. Yes I know most arrows are baddly drawn in but when someone has an arrow shot at them, they shouldn't go back to idle after X amount of time. They should ALWAYS be in alert state at least.

last edited by DM at 20:48:39 28/Nov/11
Raider
Posted 10:32pm 28/11/11
100% fucking agree, nothing is funnier then watching an NPC walking around with my arrow sticking out of his forehead going "musta been nothing"
Raider
Posted 10:33pm 28/11/11
btw, how many of you are playing on master level difficulty? Because dragons even @ 30 are fkn hard (unless you got NPCs to do the tanking)
Eorl
Posted 10:38pm 28/11/11
You guys know the AI is already well aware of where you are right? Programmers actually have to make the AI dumb in order to make the game enjoyable. Yes, the AI needs to be tweaked so that if they get hit by an arrow, it will make them scream or hunt the last known location or something, but then you also have to make sure the game is balanced enough that people are getting screwed over.

I remember hearing about Metro 2033 and it's revolutionary AI, and apparently the devs had to turn it way down, or else the NPC's have practically finished the game for you before you even get out of the first area.
Sc00bs
Posted 10:41pm 28/11/11
they need like a half assasin creed ai, its cool watching the guards poke around in hay and they actually have a look in AC
DM
Posted 11:05pm 28/11/11
btw, how many of you are playing on master level difficulty?

I'm playing on expert and that's hard enough for me lol. I might try master tonight for awhile see how badly I get raped.

When the creation kit comes out for skyrim I can only hope that AI tweaks start appearing to stop enemies going back to being oblivious. I shot you in the arm, you should be in pain, disabled and on the floor screaming... not stairing at the wall.

I'd like to see an AI system where the enemies can read the surroundings and take a guess where an arrow may of come from. In a cave with mostly 1 direction to come from it should be impossible to stay hidden after shooting someone. Outside though they should freak out and get cover best they can.
Hogfather
Posted 11:18pm 28/11/11
I don't think the AI needs tweaking, just the responses. "Must have been my imagination" is ludicrous when you're half dead. I've heard them say shit like "I'll find you!" which is much more appropriate.

High level stealth is also a little OP, they need to be better able to detect you when close and you're not hidden in a corner.
I'd like to see an AI system where the enemies can read the surroundings and take a guess where an arrow may of come from. In a cave with mostly 1 direction to come from it should be impossible to stay hidden after shooting someone. Outside though they should freak out and get cover best they can.

At lower stealth levels they do approach the area that you shot from. Maybe sitting in one position should erode your stealth ability or something? That way you could do a couple of shots and have to move?
DM
Posted 11:19pm 28/11/11
This seems like a good set of tweaks. Specifically this set of changes (can download each set in their own .esp file so can use what you like)

NPC's: Enemy mages have healing spells across the board. Seemed fitting.
Enemy mages have the assistance tag changed, so they may help their allies with healing spells (hopefully).
Enemy humanoids have potions and will use them.
Dazhel
Posted 11:30pm 28/11/11
You guys know the AI is already well aware of where you are right?


The computer program tasked with keeping track of my position in a virtual world is able to present the impression that it isn't tracking my position in aforementioned virtual world?

Say it isn't so!
m3nt4l
Posted 08:34am 29/11/11
I'd also like to be able to fight while on a horse, its a pain when something attacks me, you have to jump off, draw your weapon or raise your hands then fight, by the time you do that depending on what you are fighting your horse might be dead. That or have your companion on the back of your horse with his/her bow out.
Dazhel
Posted 08:49am 29/11/11
Not only that, but every horse I've kept seemed to be extremely angry about something. The last one didn't run away like a normal horse would do when it got attacked, it stood it's ground against the fire breathing dragon and fought back.
Uhh... I think you're outmatched there Mr. Ed.
Rohan
Posted 01:29pm 29/11/11
it's weird, my horse attacks only occasionally. If we're fighting Bandits/other human folk, my horse goes and attacks them. If we're taking on Ice Wraiths or other creatures, the horse runs away.
DM
Posted 11:42pm 29/11/11
I have been encountering 3 bugs a fair bit this character.

1 - I get a lag type effect where me, my companion and enemies are just darting around maps or inside caves. This can hurt me too because it doesn't just teleport me but rather snap me through any objects in the way.

2 - Entering a room or reloading a quicksave will send every object in the room not nailed down rocketing around like a poltergeist is in the house. Scary shit sometimes when it nearly kills you

3 - When at the doorway of those ruins where you need a type of claw, sometimes when turning the symbols I will be teleported through the door if i'm too close. The fuck is with that? My companion just does a casper and walks through it too but I can't get back out.

Anyway here are some shots before and after mods. Texture pack to increase saturation a bit along with a FXAA injector to darken things up and add a coldish feel to the place.

Off
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On
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Off
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On
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Lastly this is a terrifying Kaajit. Happened more than once
link
Dazhel
Posted 01:27am 30/11/11
There's been quite a few mods that pixel shader this and anti-alias that but I dunno... the 'before' screenshots seem to always look either no different or better to me. Anyone who like the after shots better can go for it though, and that's pretty awesome.

Also, a plug for a free iOS skyrim maps app coming:
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/29/dragon-shout-app-brings-interactive-skyrim-map-to-ios-soon-for/
Eorl
Posted 11:40am 30/11/11
The after cave screenshot looks terrible in my opinion. Way to dark. I've got a FXAA injector as well, but it's no where near as dark as that.
d^
Posted 12:47pm 30/11/11
BladeRunner
Posted 12:58am 01/12/11
Those are some weird issues DM, never encountered any of those before except when stuff goes moving by itself in my house.
tHeBoRg
Posted 01:27am 01/12/11
a couple of awesome covers of the Skyrim theme...

The Dragonborn Comes - Skyrim Bard Song and Main Theme Female Cover


Morrowind/Skyrim Theme Piano Violin Medley with Lara
Nerfy
Posted 06:37am 01/12/11
Oh sweet adama, the first comment on that bard video.

"I was a singer once to, until I took a guitar to the knee..."
Mordecai
Posted 08:38am 01/12/11
Apparently the new patch breaks the game. Joy!

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-30-skyrim-patch-1-2-has-resistance-breaking-bug

The recently released Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim patch 1.2 appears to have broken character resistances and made some dragons fly backwards.

Resistances protect your character and AI monsters/characters from a portion of harmful effects, be they fire, ice and lightning magic, or things like diseases and poisons.

As it stands, players take full damage, no matter what enchanted gear, race bonuses or perks they have.

Multiple reports of the problem can be found on the Eurogamer forum and Bethesda forum.

The other effect, as mentioned, is that some dragons now fly backwards - evidently bored with hours of flying face first.

The patch appears to affect both PS3 and Xbox 360 versions of Skyrim.

Note that you can refuse to update Skyrim to patch version 1.2. You won't be able to play the game while online if you do, though.
euphoria
Posted 08:40am 01/12/11
3dee
Posted 09:12am 01/12/11
Wow. How do you fuck that up so badly. And that's supposed to *fix* things...
ravn0s
Posted 11:08am 01/12/11
argh wtf? skyrim is downloading 4gb again even though it was set not to auto update.
Nerfy
Posted 08:13am 02/12/11
Steam to host skyrim mods, allow auto install. link.
ravn0s
Posted 09:19am 02/12/11
that's pretty fucking cool. although they're probably doing it so that modders will fix the game for them.
Nerfy
Posted 09:55am 02/12/11
I didn't experience much broken in 119 hours... considering the epic scope of the thing, I was pretty impressed.
DM
Posted 10:25am 02/12/11
demon
Posted 10:39am 02/12/11
i was playing last night after the 1.2 patch downloaded & it didn't seem broken to me :/ i had it out with some necromancer with a staff of chain lightning & i doubt i was taking full damage from it.

i'm still loving the glitches. that troll one rocked dm :]

i got my smithing to 100 last night... tonight i gotta scour the land for the materials to make all my shit flawless. anyone know of some good ebony / malachite / moonstone mines? :D
DM
Posted 11:09am 02/12/11
Near Kynesgrove on the mountain range to the right there is an orc camp. Usually they want you to do a quest for them to get entry to the camp but if you shimmy around the outside of the fence you can jump onto the bridge that leads to an Ebony mine. Not kidding there is like 40 - 50 ores in there. Enough for a full set with some weapons I think.
demon
Posted 11:16am 02/12/11
cheers dm :D i've been to that orc camp but i didn't do the quest to get in. i'll hammer it tonight :D
DM
Posted 12:09pm 02/12/11
I just found a Hagraven in a cage. She wanted me to let her out to and stayed with me the whole dungeon while we found and killed her sister. Got a staff reward that does 60 damage fireball. I'm only Lv 2 lmao. What a reward.
Phooks
Posted 02:37pm 02/12/11


DM
Posted 05:57pm 02/12/11
Today I learned not to go exploring Labrithine when you are only Lv 13. Went into the area there called Lost Valkgragg (along those lines) and was going through there rather well. Got to an open area with a chest and notice a patrolling boss guy, deathlord or something. Proceeded to launch bolt after bolt at him noticing his HP barely moved. Oh fuck. He Fus Ro Dah'ed me and sent me spinning around the cave like a coat hangering a clothes dryer. I start getting up then THUNK. Arrow to the head and dead. From 150 hp and got 1 shot.

Anyway so I reloaded, made my way back and pulled out a scroll i'd found. Undead up to Lv 75 are set on fire and flee for 30 seconds. That made things easier when he can't attack back. Got an ebony bow out of him and 2000g worth of loot from the chest he was guarding. There was also a giant hole you can drop down to another area. Oh cool maybe this is a new word I can learn. Fall down and... ah fuck... another one. Well I can only say lucky he got stuck going up the stairs or I would of been dead so fast. No word after all and wasn't guarding anything. Ebony warhammer though. Shame I can't use them and lydia is going sword and board spec.
WetWired
Posted 06:12pm 02/12/11
Yeah I'll pass on those mods thanks if that's the result.
Phooks
Posted 06:21pm 02/12/11
Shame I can't use them and lydia is going sword and board spec.


suss out the myoll(?) lioness girl in riften, shes 2H companion after you grab her sword.
m3nt4l
Posted 06:26pm 02/12/11
While I was inside Riften a blood dragon started circling, so I went outside but by the time I got there my horse was trying to kiss it and then died :( I also lost Lydia on a mountain, my horse 4wd'd up a bit, but Lydia decided to swan dive to the bottom.
DM
Posted 10:10pm 02/12/11
Saw this pic on skyrimnexus. Dat ass
Infidel
Posted 10:26pm 02/12/11
I just found a Hagraven in a cage. She wanted me to let her out to and stayed with me the whole dungeon while we found and killed her sister. Got a staff reward that does 60 damage fireball. I'm only Lv 2 lmao. What a reward.


I killed her straight away and everyone else lol
Viper119
Posted 01:58am 03/12/11
Has anyone done the A Night To Remember quest? It's from a drunk dude in one of the inns at Whiterun, shit gets crazy. It's part of the Daedric quest line.

Been too busy at work to play in the last 2 weeks, will have a crack this weekend and see if its broken thanks to these patches!
Dazhel
Posted 02:44am 03/12/11
Haha yeah I got that quest outside the little town near Solitude. It's probably given at a random town if we started in different places.

Woke up in Markath with a shaved head, a face tattoo, and a capuchin monkey on my shoulder!
ravn0s
Posted 10:26am 03/12/11
i started that quest then reloaded an old save so don't have it anymore. i got it from the drunk in the riften pub.
DM
Posted 11:06am 03/12/11
I heard that some people have woken up married after that quest. I'm scared to do it because I wanna bone Miuri
ravn0s
Posted 11:11am 03/12/11
i already made miuri my wife.
DM
Posted 12:53pm 03/12/11
Ahahahaha oh fuck I just found the best bug. I'm running down a path from markarth and suddenly this dude on a horse floats past me. Literally he lifted off from the ground and started floating around in the sky. Even frapsed it. Will upload tonight sometime.
DM
Posted 01:16pm 03/12/11
Still trying to work out how to get decent youtube quality without my files being like 300mb for 30 seconds.

XandraX
Posted 01:37pm 03/12/11
Eorl
Posted 03:05pm 03/12/11
Okay, seems the .exe has been fixed again in the update, if anyone wants to stop the random crashes due to wanting to allow the game more then 2GB, go here http://www.mediafire.com/?mazd555c2vtsr6r
BladeRunner
Posted 03:00pm 03/12/11
That horse is possessed by a dragon by the looks of it.
Eorl
Posted 03:14pm 03/12/11
Hmmm, still seem to be getting crashes. Sigh -.-
DM
Posted 03:36pm 03/12/11
This is the 4gb loader i'm using and it works great. Bypasses the launcher so any settings you need to change should be used with that first. Not had a single crash since using it. Pretty much a must if you add textures and such into the game or else you will get tons of crashes.
DM
Posted 04:44pm 03/12/11
- In Markarth there is a quest you can get in which you join a canabalistic cult. Lets you eat corpses for a HP pot like effect (about 50 - 75 hp) and you also get a ring which gives you 50 stamina and... some other effect I can't remember. Also get a follower who is a pretty bad lightning/fire mage who has a habbit of reviving corpses. Guards also remark on your "foul breath"

- Near riften there is a quest you can get in a tower which has you fight your way up to the top of said tower. Reward is a follower who is a strong ice mage as well as a fire wall staff. Spits out gobs of fire which burns for 15 - 30 seconds or so and does damage to anyone who walks over it. Again a good ass reward as you only need 1 or 2 little patches of flame to do ton of damage.




Eorl
Posted 08:52pm 03/12/11
Yeah got her DM, name is Illia. Very, very good. She tanks well to, and can heal herself. I've put her in Ebony armour and giving her a 24 dmg bow with flame dmg and the legendary 2h mace.

Oh yeah, the STEP (Skyrim Total Enhanced Project) guide for Skyrim modding has been updated, heap of awesome mods been added. http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11
Raider
Posted 11:12pm 03/12/11
if only this was done before i got sick of the game :|
BladeRunner
Posted 02:16am 04/12/11
I wish skyrim nexus would get better servers, they must get hit hard with everyone searching and downloading.
Eorl
Posted 09:58am 04/12/11
I wish skyrim nexus would get better servers, they must get hit hard with everyone searching and downloading.

They funnily enough do have great servers. Just last night they were getting hammered for some reason.
Raider
Posted 11:50pm 06/12/11
can't even download from that nexus site i click it and it just turns into a white box.
DM
Posted 12:02am 07/12/11
They have been slow as hell for the past week. Must be getting hit hard or their servers are dying and/or shit. After dozens of different play styles i've finally worked out the most fun and one that suits me the most. illusion/dagger/archer build. Frenzy, calm, invisible, 30x sneak attacks, long range bow attacks. all win
Eorl
Posted 12:05am 07/12/11
Apparently they are sending out 200mb of data a second, so I think they are just being hit massively hard, especially with the STEP mod/program, it pretty much is the go to for mods to make the game more awesome.
Rawprawn
Posted 03:50am 07/12/11
I got a message from a "friend" for Shouting from inside one of my homes (Breezehome) telling me where to find another Word. Shout everywhere!
DM
Posted 04:31pm 07/12/11
I found a hilarious reddit post about PUNCHCAT the punching Khajiit and it actually looks like a really fun way of playing not to mention really strong. Normal fist damage + 15 claw damage + 10 from gloves found in riften, jumping way up once you unlock the heavy armor perk which converts glove armor rating into damage for fists.
3dee
Posted 07:31pm 07/12/11
Yeah I always end up going a Wood Elf archer but once I feel inclined I might start a new game and go completely in the opposite direction. Maybe even a Khajiit
Enska
Posted 07:59pm 07/12/11
I need to reroll I think.
I had visions of making an awesome powerful almighty orc but after a while I just started playing like a sneaky arrow shooting homo. It just feels odd doing that shit with a full suit of dwarven armor and a big ass axe hanging off my back.
DM
Posted 08:06pm 07/12/11
I'm playing a punchcat character and it's damn fun as well as being incredibly strong. I'm playing on Master from the get go and was destroying things. Went to riften after bleak falls and got the +10 unarmed damage gloves and have been punching my way to victory ever since. Nothing like an undertaker style chokeslam to finish off people.
m3nt4l
Posted 08:43pm 07/12/11
I'm a wood elf but haven't really gone a certain path, I usually sneak a little bit and shoot some arrows, then as I approach use some destruction magic and then finish them off with an enchanted weapon.
Lithium
Posted 08:49pm 07/12/11
Im a 17 wood elf and all I do is use my bow and arrows. Everything gets owned pretty hard, especially now that I had 6x damage from sneak perk with bows.
ravn0s
Posted 08:51pm 07/12/11
heh i do 30x damage with backstabs. pretty much every kill does the crit animations.
DM
Posted 12:19am 08/12/11
I wandered into Rorikstead and then heard a faint dragon roar. Oh great. Oh well at least I have a town on my side to help. Down pops a Blood Dragon and about 9 people start going at him (including delphine and esbern who are with me). This is on master mind you as well. About 1/2 HP down on the dragon I see alduin flying in the sky. This can't possibly end well.

He flys around, gives me a look and then takes off into the sky. Suddenly there is a huge crash behind me and I turn around to see a 3rd, NAMED dragon who starts spitting fire at everyone. So we have a fire and frost dragons tag teaming us. Wasn't easy but about 50 arrows later both are dead.

EDIT - Jesus, 30 seconds over the hill I run into an elder dragon. The fuck is going on. I must have dragon bait on me somewhere.

last edited by DM at 00:19:37 08/Dec/11
Eorl
Posted 12:59am 08/12/11
Currently level 34, just gotten to Windhelm and started the Mage League thingo, still haven't collected the horn for the Greybeards. I'm just that pro. Way to much to do and everything is distracting me.
m3nt4l
Posted 01:23am 08/12/11
Yeah I keep going oh I'll just do this little quest then head back to the college, and then I find fifty other quests on the way back so do those, it's fun.
ravn0s
Posted 10:20am 08/12/11
Currently level 34, just gotten to Windhelm and started the Mage League thingo, still haven't collected the horn for the Greybeards. I'm just that pro. Way to much to do and everything is distracting me.


you should at least get the horn because then you get the third word for the unrelenting force shout. it fun shouting enemies off cliffs.
Eorl
Posted 10:19am 09/12/11
Just started the Dark Brotherhood questline, Spoiler:
I killed the Khajit
.
m3nt4l
Posted 10:20am 09/12/11
I woke up in the shack and
Spoiler:
killed them all

DM
Posted 10:37am 09/12/11
When you wake up in the shack, if you kill ninja lady you get a quest to kill the whole brotherhood. It's the only time you can get it and it actually disables immortal status on some of the npcs in there.
Eorl
Posted 11:38am 10/12/11
Huh...just realised the "Dragons" in Skyrim are actually Wyverns. Interesting...
Dazhel
Posted 01:03pm 12/12/11
Haha one of the guys behind Epic Meal Time has made a Skyrim helmet out of bacon
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/12/skyrim-bacon-baconborn/
3dee
Posted 01:09pm 12/12/11
The more I play this game, the more it appears to be fucking huuuuge. I just wandered over to Markarth and did some Forsworn stuff. It's like every time you complete a quest, two more come along, consistently. I've got quests I could begin all across the continent, yet those probably only account for a fraction of what is available.

last edited by 3dee at 13:09:06 12/Dec/11
orbitor
Posted 01:32pm 12/12/11
lol, I just figured out that as a werewolf you can do a fear special power. Here I was thinking that beast form was just completely useless and weak. It actually dominates! :O
3dee
Posted 01:45pm 12/12/11
One thing I haven't come across yet however are the actual Dark Brotherhood, Vampires, Werewolves things yet. I've encountered them but never been led to their storylines like Oblivion.
m3nt4l
Posted 01:48pm 12/12/11
I've had dealings with the dark brotherhood and have their questline to start, but apart from killing a cave of vampires I haven't had much to do with them or werewolves.
glynd
Posted 01:58pm 12/12/11
One thing I haven't come across yet however are the actual Dark Brotherhood, Vampires, Werewolves things yet. I've encountered them but never been led to their storylines like Oblivion.


I was the other way around. In oblivion, I only discovered dark brotherhood because i accidentally killed someone in cold blood whereas in skyrim I had a quest starting the chain off.
Dazhel
Posted 01:59pm 12/12/11
It's like every time you complete a quest, two more come along, consistently.


Heh yeah, gotta stop talking to people.

I've had loads of fun already so last week I said to myself I'd just start wrapping the big quests up and then move onto another game. The entire weekend spent slogging through and around 20 stages of the major quests completed later...
Friday night quest log: 10 quests
Sunday night quest log: 10 quests

When NPCs say things like "My father's heirloom sword is lost in that cave two towns over! Please help me!"
At the start of the game the response was something like "I can help with that, no probs!"
Now, the response is something like "Sorry, can't help you... why? ...uhh... I'd like to but I took an arrow in the knee."
3dee
Posted 02:56pm 12/12/11
Yeah I find I just have to say "Okay.... THIS QUEST" and do it. Regardless of what it is. Like doing chores that are fun.
Eorl
Posted 10:42am 21/12/11
Just had an update to the .exe, they've finally allowed native 4GB Large Address Aware.
3dee
Posted 11:05am 21/12/11
If you value your time, don't start reading UESPWiki. It's really fascinating. It's probably as detailed as the Lord Of The Rings world.
Dazhel
Posted 11:27am 21/12/11
^ Sage advice.
I had to stop myself one day after tracing the royal bloodline from Titus Mede all the way back to Tiber Septim.
It's just as bloody bad as tvtropes.org
cJay
Posted 12:46pm 21/12/11
If you value your time, don't start reading UESPWiki. It's really fascinating. It's probably as detailed as the Lord Of The Rings world.


Agreed it's a very impressive wiki.

I've still got Morrowind installed and to be honest with all the HD mods and what not it's still a very remarkable game too. I really like it's semi-unique lore and history of and cannot wait until the TES construction kit for Skyrim is released!!
m3nt4l
Posted 12:09pm 24/1/12
Microsoft announced that the first two DLC packs for Skyrim would be exclusive to Xbox Live for 30 days

damn.
Eorl
Posted 12:19pm 24/1/12

damn.

Wut? Where did that come from?
m3nt4l
Posted 12:29pm 24/1/12
Ahh sorry, the blinding white of Ausgamers made me forget my sauce(no qgl search :( ).
Hogfather
Posted 12:31pm 24/1/12
Ahh sorry, the blinding white of Ausgamers made me forget my sauce(no qgl search :( ).

Why in the world would you not run AGN forums with the QGL skin?!
Outlaw
Posted 12:40pm 24/1/12
Why in the world would you not run AGN forums with the QGL skin?!

this



30 fucking days?
m3nt4l
Posted 02:49pm 24/1/12
Too used to hitting qgl
BladeRunner
Posted 11:00pm 11/2/12
Since I downloaded the High res texture pack, Im going to start another character and delete all my previous saves. Also cleaned out my mods and started fresh with new/updated ones. I am going to try the unarmed/Heavy Armour build I have herd about.

Sc00bs
Posted 09:33am 12/2/12
haha, cant beleive u can unarmed/HA the entire game :P
Outlaw
Posted 09:43am 12/2/12
I was really tempted to take the unarmed combat perk but I'd rather use a huge Greatsword with double enchants. This really shows how basic Skyrim combat is. Funny video though. Onward to KOA:R now.
demon
Posted 10:08am 12/2/12
i gave up on my first character (wood elf sneak/archer) at level 49 because the main quest was bugged & i couldn't proceed with it. also kinda gets boring once you are that powerful. my bow was doing 150dmg + 10-15arrow dmg + 35 enchant dmg & usually triple dmg from sneak & high change of a crit. giants n mammoths died on the first shot.

started again with an argonian & tried to concentrate on enchant & smithing... but he was too weak so once again i pimped the archery & sneak. now i am lvl25 & it's getting really easy again. i still enjoy it but i think i've seen most of the content.
ravn0s
Posted 10:49am 12/2/12
haha that's awesome.
demon
Posted 11:01am 12/2/12
yer that unarmed badass viking video is hilarious!
Fade2Black
Posted 01:50pm 12/2/12
Once you level smithing and enchanting to 100 this game is waaay to easy.

I have a level 54 warrior in full daedric with all 3 of the daedric 2H weapons. Every item has double enchants. Typically increased 2H damage + increased health or stamina. Daedric 2H battle axe with two damage enchants on it. With my destruction mage follower I usually two shot dragons.

I also decided to continue leveling everything else so I grabbed a few health regen potions that I crafted (100 alchemy) and found some giants. First I just went afk and let a giant whale on me until my armor was at 100 then I went semi afk and held down block until that was 100. This gear I have is over powered.

Then I rolled a destruction mage which is currently level 40 in dragonscale armor with 100 enchanting and 100 alchemy. I discovered that at that level if you enchant two items with "destruction spells cost XX% less to cast" that I actually have 112% less to cast which makes them completely free. Damn shame that I didn't know that at the start, I would have struggled early but rather than creating a massive magicka pool I would have gone for a destruction mage in heavy armor with huge stamina and health and free spells.
m3nt4l
Posted 02:16pm 12/2/12
I didn't sneak very much and didn't level up everything by making a million iron daggers and what not until I'd finished all the main quest lines and collected everything (dragon shouts, masks, houses, daedric weapons, the crown jewels) and then I just started exploring everything with my new found skills, made it heaps more fun.
Just started my second run and trying to do it the same way hopefully the windhelm quest works this time because that's the reason I'm starting again.
Enska
Posted 03:00pm 12/2/12
Lul Fade, so the games waaaay to easy once you've used leveling exploits? Oh shock horror.

Try playing on master diff, actually just leveling your skills as you use them, then try and pop a health regen pot and get whaled on by a giant..
Fade2Black
Posted 08:18pm 12/2/12
Enska,

Please point to where i used a leveling "exploit".

Simply put if I did not bother trying to level block etc, from where I was my level would not have changed more than 3-4 levels for the rest of my Skyrim experience. There was also no noticeable difference between level 50 and 54 so finishing off blocking and heavy armor (which was already 80 odd) made no difference at all.

You gain a player level for every 10 levels of a skill, so if I just ran around doing all my quests using my 2H weapon with heavy armor no matter if played another 10 hours or 200 hours my level would have stayed the same because they were already at 100.

Note: if you're confused by my phrase "everything else" I hope it is clear that that only included blocking (from 35ish) and heavy armor (from 80ish).
casa
Posted 09:18pm 12/2/12
BladeRunner...

I think...


Will you marry me?? Holy FUCK I have never laughed so much in all my life.
BladeRunner
Posted 02:37am 13/2/12
This is my Orc, Looking like a boss.


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Outlaw
Posted 09:15am 13/2/12
Patch 2.01(92MB) rolled out last night for Skyrim on Playstation 3 which has fixed the horrible lag that made it almost unplayable for some. It also fixed the Glory Of The Dead quest line.

Improved occasional performance issues resulting from long term play (PS3 only)
Fixed issue where projectiles did not properly fade away
Fixed occasional issue where a guest would arrive to the player’s wedding dead
Dragon corpses now clean up properly
Fixed rare issue where dragons would not attack
Fixed rare NPC sleeping animation bug
Fixed rare issue with dead corpses being cleared up prematurely
Skeleton Key will now work properly if player has no lockpicks in their inventory
Fixed rare issue with renaming enchanted weapons and armor
Fixed rare issue with dragons not properly giving souls after death
ESC button can now be used to exit menus (PC)
Fixed occasional mouse sensitivity issues (PC)
General functionality fixes related to remapping buttons and controls (PC)
ravn0s
Posted 09:16am 13/2/12
so what does the game look like with the high res textures?
3dee
Posted 09:26am 13/2/12
I played it for a bit last night after it updated on Steam and I couldn't really notice any improvement in the textures... O_o It's on Ultra as well.
ravn0s
Posted 12:39pm 13/2/12
did you download the texture pack from the steam workshop?
Enska
Posted 12:59pm 13/2/12
Yeah the official texture pack isn't much tbh. people are saying that + the Skyrim HD 2K (much better than official one imo) one looks great but I got ctds with both installed.
m3nt4l
Posted 01:22pm 13/2/12
Try extracting the high texture .bsa files into skyrim\data\ structure, then putting skyrim hd + other texture mods over the top.
BladeRunner
Posted 11:21pm 13/2/12
to get the texture pack to work like it should you have to go to skyrims ini file located in Document/my games/skyrim.

Open it up and under [Archive] paste HighResTexturePack01.bsa, HighResTexturePack02.bsa, after Skyrim - Textures.bsa,

you need the commas and spaces. should look like

[Archive]
sResourceArchiveList=Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, HighResTexturePack01.bsa, HighResTexturePack02.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa
sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa
BladeRunner
Posted 05:47am 19/2/12
Anyone else playing around with the creation kit? I have been using the tutorial level that you can download, making it into a house of sorts. Moving the camera around can be annoying at times.
PowerFang
Posted 10:45am 28/2/12
Good review!
BladeRunner
Posted 09:27am 01/6/12
Started playing skyrim again.

Anyone used that ENBseries fx mod? Anything anyone can recommend a particular config?
Nerfy
Posted 02:19pm 02/6/12
Heh, I just found this -

BladeRunner
Posted 07:13pm 03/6/12
v8mini
Posted 07:43pm 03/6/12
i found a mod the other day that made the night sky light up real nice but i reckon its an awesome game
mental
Posted 08:17pm 03/6/12
I love this game, but not as much as this guy:

BladeRunner
Posted 05:26pm 08/6/12
Ive been having slight freezing issues with my game at the moment. At what I assume is random intervals it will freeze for about a second then continue as if nothing happened. I get 60FPS where ever I go so its not like I need a new video card.

Anyone else been having issues recently?
arkter
Posted 08:20pm 09/6/12
Ive been having slight freezing issues with my game at the moment. At what I assume is random intervals it will freeze for about a second then continue as if nothing happened. I get 60FPS where ever I go so its not like I need a new video card.

Anyone else been having issues recently?


Conflicting mods? shitty CPU? No RAM?
Crakaveli
Posted 09:27am 10/6/12
i have the same issue, i stopped playing a while back due to this. Core i7 8gb ram ati 6950.. meh.
BladeRunner
Posted 11:59am 10/6/12
It was a mod issue. cleaned out all of my mods and started again. No problem now.
BladeRunner
Posted 09:59am 01/7/12
I noticed something in the lastest Futurama episode.

Nerfy
Posted 10:23am 01/7/12
Heh, nice.
BladeRunner
Posted 06:30am 22/8/12
Some arse hat of a vampire killed Belethor and then used his corpse to fight for him. Now I can't get Belethor back. I have tried a bunch of console commands but nothing works. He is a pile of ash and there is nothing I can do about it. That piss ant that works for him does nothing, I can't off load my general crap to him lol.
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