At a Blizzard press conference today at BlizzCon (fancy that), I was given the chance to throw out the Aussie server question to both Jay Wilson and J Allen Brack, Brack of whom responded wholey. Rather than just ask, is it happening, I did probe what the actual hold-up is, and what issues they face. Below is his repsonse.
"There are a couple of issues," Brack said in response to the above. "I feel bad for Australian players, but the biggest problem right now is the number one ISP in Australia; any traffic that gets routed outside of Australia goes to San Diego. So it doesn't matter where in the world you're going, you're going to San Diego. And then you're going to San Diego to somewhere else.
"So we have a big data centre in South East Asia, so it makes sense for us to grow that data centre out to Australia, in terms of putting Oceanic servers there. That actually would make the experience worse for Oceanic players. But it
is something we're talking about - I met with our network guys and our IT guys as early as two weeks ago to talk about Australia and to talk about what we can do."
A pretty honest response, though
GamePron's Punkly jumped in after me, pointing out that it's actually not the case that all traffic goes to San Diego, and also asked about the possibility of just using another ISP other than Telstra, to which J essentially said Telstra will attract "50% of players", suggesting they're not going to move beyond negotiation with, or at least thinking first and foremost about, BigPond.
So there you have it, straight from the Mount's mouth - feel free to chime in at any moment now.
Update: Turns out Brack was referring to Optus as our "number one ISP" which means his comments about San Diego now make sense, but it also means they need to be informed a little more about the actual ISP situation in Australia, because Optus would really only represent a small part of our overall service.
Posted 08:32am 24/10/10
Posted 09:00am 24/10/10
If Warhammer could host servers in Melbourne, and Runes of Magic could just have opened a server in Queensland, then Blizzard have no excuse. They are just blowing smoke up our asses once again.
Posted 10:07am 24/10/10
Posted 10:16am 24/10/10
Its absolutly piss poor that blizzard wont look past Telstra. If only they knew what a colossal f*****g nightmare Telstra would be for them.
They are completly wrong about data to san diago btw, Australia has at least 3 serious pipes to Asia, America and Japan (I think?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_in_Australia
http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/354826/pacnet_new_australia-us_fibre_link_bigger_than_nbn/
http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/355022/isps_doubt_impact_new_australia-us_fibre_link/
I cant find it now but i used to have a image of every Australian link to another country that's publicly available and it's staggering. My company was passing it around a few years back when that one fibre link went down and slowed Australia to a crawl, everyone was saying - why can we route through xzy etc. That slowness was just because not enough routers were configured with automatic route changes / QOS.
Posted 10:25am 24/10/10
The real best option for Aussie wow players though would be for Blizzard to invest directly in their own hardware, pay for their own bandwidth and keep their servers independent of any _one_ au ISP
Posted 10:31am 24/10/10
Telstra on the other hand, wouldn't give a flying f*** about blizzard, they are small fry compared to businesses Telstra already have in their customer portfolio.
There are many data centers out there that would happily take a very large risk/investment of their own just to get blizzard on board because blizzard would be a very serious customer for them.
Posted 10:58am 24/10/10
Anyway, as I said previously - I'd rather Blizzard just do it off their own back, the best option for the game's actual _players_ is for Aussie servers to not be tied to any one ISP and not be dictated by any kind of exclusivity deals.
Posted 11:59am 24/10/10
Also - why not ask about pricing!@%!@
Posted 12:10pm 24/10/10
Hosting the stuff themselves at a neutral data center in Australia would be the best solution, something like Global switch that most Australian ISPs are already in but they want someone else to foot the bill for them.
Posted 02:52pm 24/10/10
Umm... what?
Posted 02:58pm 24/10/10
Posted 03:28pm 24/10/10
My feelings on Blizzard are well known and this just confirms it.
I dont even play SC2 and wont be buying another Blizzard game.
Posted 03:53pm 24/10/10
On topic, if the 10k+ numbers for internode are correct then a mainland server for Blizzard makes financial sense if they are at all concerned about their local customers. The San Diego thing is smoke and mirrors IMO - they basically just discount the mainland option and then go into the problems of international network topology.
If the international network thing is so hard, then just host it locally. Sadly I think that the reality is that SEA datacentres are probably cheap compared with Australian ones and the bean counters are running the show.
Until someone presents a competing product suite for Austrtalians that threatens market share, why spend extra money? Nobody is going to cancel their WoW account or stop playing StarCraft over network issues when there's no real competition.
Posted 04:34pm 24/10/10
I don't play this game; but it would come down to cost (bandwidth usage) and maybe the support burden cost to manage the servers remotely (eg for maintenance).
The main problem would just be price; apparently its too expensive.
Posted 05:16pm 24/10/10
Posted 11:31pm 24/10/10
Posted 12:22am 25/10/10
10k is (from the post above) from internode only though - and its not like there ate 12M in USWest and we want a server for 30k -- the 12M are from all over the world.
A lot of MMOs probably run on less subs than Australia would likely have for WoW; but yeh ultimately its just a numbers and dollars game and they just don't see the point in the spend.
Posted 11:20am 25/10/10
you know optus is owned by singtel and has fat pipes back to Singapore...
http://traceroute.optusnet.com.au/
Posted 04:40pm 25/10/10
Posted 04:47pm 25/10/10
Also the idea that people would boycott the games because of it is rather amusing. I don't have the willpower to do that as I enjoy their games too much.
Posted 12:01am 26/10/10
for the time being I'm satisfied, high ping and all.
Posted 08:50am 26/10/10
Posted 08:52am 26/10/10
Posted 09:45am 26/10/10
Posted 10:48am 26/10/10
Posted 04:45pm 26/10/10
but i cant imagine people who still play wow being able to walk away from the game for a day let alone a month.. poor poor fools
Posted 04:47pm 26/10/10
While I understand what makes you say that Trog. It's the opposite of that that makes it so damn irritating when we dont see local investment by Blizzard in an Australian presence.
We give them our money and expect that to eventually justify their investment in us, not the other way around... by retracting our money and then claiming 'no we really will play if you just take the chance'.
The fact is they dont need to take a chance, they are well aware of how many customers would benefit from AU servers, i'm sure they have massive data grabs of "Country by IP address range" or something where they can see where all their players are and how they could better their services.
Having 'server maintenance' during peak time on tuesday night for AU is horrible, thats something that would really help us.
Posted 04:57pm 26/10/10
in reality it was because it was a massive time sink and i thought i would be better investing my time in other things.
Posted 05:25pm 26/10/10
Given the cost of hosting over here (~10x more than in the US or anywhere else I feel is a reasonable ballpark number to throw around) there's simply no way I can think of that they'd make any more money - it's not like there's tens of thousands of people that aren't playing WoW now because they're worried about latency. So there's no real way they can see it as an investment, I think.
I see what you're saying and understand your thought processes, but I just think it simply doesn't align with their business goals, even though I'm sure they're making squillions of dollars!
Posted 07:14pm 26/10/10
yup, exactly
Posted 07:20pm 26/10/10
Now if there was a competing product in the MMO space that offered local servers ... but there really isn't a competitor to wow at the moment. Their hegemony allows them to pretty much ignore s*** like this and define thereby the standard for service delivery.
Hegemony is an awesome word btw.
Posted 07:23am 30/10/10
Is it really THAT hard to dump a bunch of servers in Sydney? The terminology is wrong, but... Just do it!