You paid for it, you have the DVD in your drive and the box on the floor next to your desk, but do you own the game? That is the question that the 9th Circuit Court in the US will rule on next week in the case between Blizzard, publisher of World of Warcraft, and MDY, publisher of the Glider bot.
Glider plays World of Warcraft for you. Rather than paying someone real money to earn experience or send you gold, you could pay real money for a program that would earn experience and gold. Blizzard say that you don't own WOW - you only have a licence to use it and if you use a "bot" like Glider your licence ends. The next time you start the game you are as much a pirate as someone who downloaded the game illegally.
Blizzard detected and banned a lot of players who used Glider. They then sued MDY for all the subscription fees they lost from the banned player (plus a ton of other cash). In 2008 a judge held MDY liable for contributing to the banned player's infringment of Blizzard's copyright in WoW. The judge also held MDY liable for the lost subscription fees because MDY encouraged players to do something that was a breach of their contract with Blizzard.
What the world would look like without lawyers
Both sides appealed. Blizzard want the founder of MDY to pay them the US$6,000,000 judgement since the MDY company itself can't pay. MDY say that Blizzard's licence agreement is garbage - if you buy the game you own it and can use it however you like; that includes running WoW and Glider at the same time. MDY have 100 years of precedent and the EFF on their side. Blizzard have the copyright industry lobby on theirs.
I'm personally conflicted. I don't like overreaching use of law to deny rights to citizens so that big business can profit, but if Blizzard wins EA could sue the people who make cheats for Bad Company 2.
This case will be heard on Monday 7 June. We'll keep you up to date on the case as further developments occur. You can read some more discussion on this
blog or on the EFF
site. I'll also answer questions in the comments...
Posted 04:03pm 03/6/10
On private servers I don't care.
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There is even an argument that most of the people who were banned would have simply purchased another copy and subscription, so Blizzard may have actually made money on the banning. They've admitted though that they have no way of tracking or quantifying that sort of statistic.
Posted 09:16pm 03/6/10
Deadlyf is correct. There is a rule in the US called the 'first-sale doctrine' that makes it legal for you to sell a second-hand book (etc) without the permission of the original owner of the copyright, as long as you don't make a copy before you sell it. MDY want the court to rule that when you spend your hard earned on a copy of WoW, you actually own it, no matter what Blizzard make you click on before you can start the game.
Until now, courts around the world haven't applied this "first-sale" rule to computer programs. They've accepted that when you "buy" a copy of World of Warcraft all you actually have done is entered into a licence contract, and that if you break one of the terms of the contract your licence is no longer valid. You never actually owned anything, there was never a 'first sale', and you do not have the right to sell it on to someone else.
These sort of "shrink wrap" licence agreements have been upheld time and time again around the world. On the face of it, MDY are up against a very long line of courts who have said "there are very good business reasons for allowing the software industry to work like this."
Posted 09:07pm 03/6/10
It take longer to Bot from 1-80 then it does doing quests mannualy, level 70-80 takes about 1 week in solid questing where as grinding mobs say 12 hours a day with a bot it takes 2 and a half weeks which really could give blizzard more money as people have to keep paying for subscriptions to keep playing the game so they can keep botting.
On my server I have probably seen about 2-3 botters and they don't seem to interfere with gameplay when I was leveling up and if the botter hasn't got a clue they spend a good time dead and running back to their corpse.
I tried botting back in BC and if anything it gives a massive disadvantage in PvP and a slight disadvantage in PvE.
IMO it's blizzards fault if they have lost any sort of income due to there banwaves, but in alot of cases people getting banned have say farmed up a good 20 stacks of cloth sold on AH and copped a 72 hour or perma banned for "Abuse of the Economy" If the person was botting they even get banned for "Abuse of the Economy" because they couldnt be proved they were botting.
Blizzard should do it the same way VAC and IW.Net do it send in a video of the obvious hacks/bots investigate ban the account.
If players cant be bothered sending in video then clearly it's not a big deal.
tl:dr Get over it blizzard.
Posted 09:15pm 03/6/10
That is part of the actual "copyright infringement" committed by each person who runs Glider (according to Blizzard). Since they didn't want to sue every banned person for copyright infringement (PR disaster anyone?) they went after MDY for encouraging and profiting from that infringement. This is one of the grounds that Blizzard won the original case on.
This sort of thing is called 'third party liability'; its the same principle that the film industry attempted to rely on to make iiNet liable for iiNet's users illegal file sharing. Its partly about suing someone who has the money to pay; but its more about forcing the third party to change their behaviour because you can't change the way end users behave. The film industry wanted money from iiNet, but the real outcome they wanted was for iiNet to act as unpaid copyright police and start disconnecting or reporting users who were downloading and sharing films online. When they didn't get that, they immediately lobbied the Government to change the laws to force iiNet to do it.
Blizzard really don't need the drop in the bucket that $6M is (and they know they'd never get anything like that anyway, the guy isn't that rich). What they want to do is stop other people from making these programs.
Posted 09:33pm 03/6/10
How are they encouraging players. It's not like we see adverts for the Bot's on website people have to go looking for these programs.
Posted 01:22am 04/6/10
TBH botting is against the rules and it does give unfair advantages to players who use it over the ones who don't but only in a PVE aspect. I do agree with them banning the retards who tank the WHOLE servers economy as i was a victim of that back at lvl 60 on Draenor when the whole server was screwed for almost a year from gold selling screwing the prices up on the AH.
As for the law suit. Well. Dunno really i want to see more before i pass wind on that one.
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play properly or dont f*****g bother.
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If someone makes a program that breaks those pretend "game world" rules, what does it matter?
I can just imagine the judge sitting there going, ok, ok, so this is all about breaking rules in a game? Get out of my court.
Posted 01:43pm 04/6/10
Turns out when you get old enough, you can take them to court for reals.
Posted 03:49pm 04/6/10
People make choices in their life and deal with the consequences. If you choose to work 24/7, then don't expect to get as much done in WoW as someone with no job. The problem is people just want stuff without having to put much effort in, then say "But I work" to cover that up.
I know plenty of people who play and still work 40+ hours a week. Alot of them are in ICC25 and progressing forwards. Learn to manage your time, 2-4 hours of play a week to raid isn't hard, so stop making excuses and deal with it.
Posted 04:05pm 04/6/10
Blizzard make wow so your forced to spend more time in it, by filling the exciting and awsome parts with horrible grind filler.
People use bots for the filler now so they can enjoy the awsome/fun parts and save their time for those fun parts.
This is about 'sticking it to the man' and getting your moneys worth and actually being able to have your cake and eat it to.
Bots get my endorsment.
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Posted 07:45pm 04/6/10
No its about somoene making money from doing something that contravenes the eula and whether or not that's "legal".
They're fighting it because its worth MONEY to the person. Not because its a noble cause.
If you don't like grinding you would have chosen a different game.
Posted 09:43pm 04/6/10
This law suit is just a cover up...
Posted 10:00pm 04/6/10
disciple of faceman?
guess you gotta start with the small stuff.
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If you really like a game and you spent your hard earned cash on it then you'll play the game in its entirety. That includes both the good parts and the s*** parts of the game. Surely the good parts must outweigh the bad parts otherwise you wouldn't have purchased the game in the first place.
As far as i'm concerned getting a bot to do all the dirty work for you is cheating because it's providing players that use it with an advantage over those who don't. It also alters the way the game is designed to be played. If anything it takes away the sense of accomplishment that is associated with playing a game to its full potential. Why would you want to waste your money by not actually playing every part of the game? then again some would argue that paying for games is a waste of money and time all together...
Either way maybe i'm not seeing the other side of the picture because i'm just not into never ending games like wow. I haven't really experienced what it's like to 'grind' in gathering resources and thank god i'm not into such life wasting games. I spend enough time on arcade type games as it is let alone a time sink like wow. *Shudders*
Posted 01:08pm 05/6/10
Sure it's against the rules and screws up the in game economy but that's not my f*****g problem.
Posted 03:13pm 05/6/10
Yeah thats right, I dont think this lawsuit is about software copyright? They werent selling bogus subscriptions or software that somehow alowwed you to play WoW for free, even though that wouldnt be possible, but you get what i mean.
See thats Bulls***, as long as the add-in isnt something that makes a single user licence become a 20 user licence or something, people can do whatever they want with the software.
Your free to say, I dont want you doing that with my software, im not going to sell it to you again. Just because you put something in the EULA, doesnt make it the law, unless its something that a law already exists for like copyright law.
Say someone makes an add-in for your program that alot of people find useful, and alot of people start buying, you cant stop them. Nor should you, the smarter thing would be to add the functionality into the your software, and people wouldnt need to buy the program.
The WoW case is a bit different to software used in a commercial environment, because the add-in helps people do something they dont want people doing. Where as an add-in to a commercial piece of software that automated things and made peoples jobs easier, wouldnt be something that the original software maker would want to stop.
Unless your Apple.
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Some people even run two computers, so they dont get their account banned if wow somehow works out a way to detect the commercial bots. one computer that runs wow and uses a vnc type program etc to send the screen to another computer that is running the bot software.