Presuming that humans evolved in a fully clothed society, of course...

This point really sums it up for me: (or in pictorial form)

The vague symptoms he gave out are symptoms typical of alternative medicine omni diseases. They are otherwise known as "The symptoms of life."

I bet they never had books either, but there's no anti-book foundation speakers giving speeches on how our genetic makeup isn't accustomed to handling that amount of awesome fiction... Wonder why. ;)

Watched that last week - really interesting talk if you're a porn-watching male. Might make you rethink your habits.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g316/Goonsquad4/Beerisaddictedtome.jpg

except porn

I'm unconvinced, going to do my own research.

Edit: Seems I'm not as qualified as I thought, can someone give me a hand?

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F*** it, porn folder gone.

Lately I've been having massive anxiety around girls whenever it gets to even a marginally sexual stage. As in, even a girl sitting with me, like, cuddled up on the couch watching T.V. My heart starts beating spastically, I find it hard to breathe and I can't think straight. Now there's a few guys on here that know me irl and they know that me saying this is pretty f***ed up.

I've never really been one to get anxiety or even feel it around women, I have no problem talking to random chicks or even getting numbers etc... but ever since I broke up with my long term missus, obviously my porn habits have increased and this anxiety has hit me out of no-where.

Maybe there's a correlation? Have no idea but maybe it's time for me to get rid of this s***.

tl,dr: I'm becoming less of a wanker.

you need some redcliffe sluts to bring you down a notch ^

+1, giving it a go to see if what he's saying is true.

discussion here
http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/

If you watch some wierd porn heaps i can see your brain requiring the same stuff to turn you on IRL

My understanding is that the specific urge for weird stuff precedes the seeking of said weird stuff. I've never heard of anybody where their fetishes (the opposite sex, the same sex, shoes, etc) haven't been a lifelong ordeal.

Tbh I'm surprised at the lack of skeptical aversion to alternative-medicine level claims here, I'd at least wait for professionals giving this advice before taking it as in any way a likely pragmatic course of action. Particularly because he is the face of an anti-porn organisation... None of it holds up to me, we didn't have books/tv/music/encyclopaedias/safety/cars/etc back then either, and people would have been naked and athletic all the time. My understanding is that apes masturbate and f*** constantly, if anything we're less in our normal sexual setting right now.

I do think that porn is like anything else though - gaming, fitness, eating - moderation just seems like a good way to go.

Thats what i thought but i wonder what a moderate doses of porn is.

I checked out the reddit thread and the study of members and from memory the most common user was male, single, a virgin, who watches porn daily for an hour and has something like anxiety/depression/ED/PE prior to starting nofap.

It's all about variety. Sometimes I feel like normal, sometimes I feel like spicey.

That reddit thread is full of lols Nerfy, like this gem:

What did people do in regards to porn before the internet? While a minority of people were always perverts, what did the majority of men do otherwise? Was masturbation still done in the absence of porn, but with less frequency?

The internet generation, uncertain on whether they can claim the credit for the amazing discovery of wacking off.

It's like a valve that needs a good turn every once in a while.

lol. I am under the belief this is the case for most guys so it annoys me when girls think its weird guys masturbate, and get s***** that we do it to porn. If im gunna whack it, id prefer a nice vid with sound over a magazine or imagination any day.

lol reddit

i re-entered the thread because i saw that fpot posted, thinking 'oh fpot would have posted a unique and well-thought out perspective on the topic like usual'.

i leave disappointed.

He doesn't say porn makes your brain change. He says porn addiction then alludes to the possibility that it is similar to many other forms of addiction.

I'd be interested to see if the guys he quoted whom had massive life turnarounds had changed anything else at the same time such as a replacing fapping with exercise. The whole "i started a business and took up piano" etc. from one dude as an argument that the entire population of men have an issue is a bit far fetched for TED.

I'd be interested to see if the guys he quoted whom had massive life turnarounds had changed anything else at the same time such as a replacing fapping with exercise. The whole "i started a business and took up piano" etc. from one dude as an argument that the entire population of men have an issue is a bit far fetched for TED.

I'm getting tired of having to defend every single human vice because the small number of addicts out there who can't handle there gambling, drugs, sex, smokes, drink, internet (which we all know is for porn). The f*** wit moral crusaders preach doom and destruction how if we don't ban x then our entire society will collapse and everyone we know will die.
The irresponsible f***heads continue to ruin it for the rest of us who have our s*** together but very much like to enjoy our adult leisure pursuits whatever they may be.

internet (which we all know is for porn).

I started talking to a catholic who was accusing people of not sharing his/her definition of god-who-is-ok-with-evolution as being fundamentalists the other day, which I thought was entirely hypocritical, and unsubstantiable, it was the least productive moment of my internet life. Internet talking can be the far greater timesink sometimes... Like this, right now, come to think of it. :P

Ravan0s, you have to buy a piano first. That costs money, a fair bit too. Fapping is by far the more efficient past time.

You poor bastard chub. How long's it been? I find i get all jittery if i go a few days without letting some go. And weights i think makes things worse as IIRC it helps produce testosterone that i assume can only increase sex drive. Oh, your IF knowledge might be needed in that gym/fitness junkies thread.

I'm confused, what exactly did you do Chub and how has it made your life better?

Interesting topic overall, not sure I agree as pointed out in other comments, seems a bit anti-porn biased.

If we go by Game Of Thrones history, then peeps were even more sexually explicit back in ye olden time!

I'm confused, what exactly did you do Chub and how has it made your life better?

Came across a "no fap" thread on bodybuilding.com and they linked me to a site http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/. Stopped watching porn and stopped masturbating, 100%.

The most noticeable outcome was after about 1-1.5 weeks that I was more sociable with females than I had ever been in my life. I began taking immediate action and every opportunity that presented itself to interact and have sex with said females.

While that might not seem like much to some people, I have always been highly reclusive and relatively uninterested in pursuing anything socially, let alone with the opposite sex.

About 5 weeks in I stopped drinking alcohol/using drugs completely, while I don't know if I can attribute that entirely to the no fap, it definitely played a big part.

As time went on things just started to snowball and just about every aspect of my life has changed and here I am ~6 months later wondering how the f*** I arrived here.

Then I pop onto QGL tonight and it seems like the movement has found its way here.

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CHUB: And what were the problems that arose?

Sip: It isn't a bad habit. Either get sex or relieve that pressure yourself! Has to be done, can cause damage if isn't.

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Intriguing.

The most noticeable outcome was after about 1-1.5 weeks that I was more sociable with females than I had ever been in my life. I began taking immediate action and every opportunity that presented itself to interact and have sex with said females.

Have you had corresponding improvements in the success of these female ventures? If so would you relate that to the no-fap, or just the fact that your trying every opportunity now (which is caused by the no-fap).

Pretty rash decision. You'll regret losing your old favourites.

For me deleting my stash, I'm seeing if I can just give up the porn side of s***. No god damn way am I denying myself my given right to have a hand shandy.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I think having 'favourite' porn movie etc... might be edging towards slight porn addiction. Maybe shows an emotional connection between yourself and the movie or the actresses presented, instead of porn being a means to an end?

Dunno, not aimed at Thermite, but a general thought.

you getting big and lean chub?

im not sure i could give up batting.

theres nothing i like better then sending petal and the kids off to work and getting on down to some lucy thai

well a few years back when i went travelling i didn't have access to any porn for 2 months. i don't think it affected me or changed me in any way.

This one is pretty good.

Too bad it was orders of magnitude better than the movie :(

going to put it out there but the stop of drugs and alcohol is what probably helped your situation.

Better not get too far into this, not really the right forum for this type of discussion and I do know people here IRL so it's a bit weird.

going to put it out there but the stop of drugs and alcohol is what probably helped your situation.

No doubt but that only occurred because of the changes that happened in the weeks leading up to it.

surely its dangerous going out with a loaded gun though!?

& always leave plenty of time

http://s3.amazonaws.com/auteurs_production/images/film/theres-something-about-mary/w448/theres-something-about-mary.jpg?1298788215

I've never understood girls that get jumpy over porn or masturbation.

I think some girls like to think they are the be all and end all of pleasure. They are wrong.

If you are unable to satisfy your partner because you've been beating off to f***-tonnes of porn, then obviously that's going to create problems.

If you have a higher libido than your partner and can fulfill your needs via porn then that seems like a decent solution to me.

Does it need to be anymore complicated than that?

As for all this "I can't talk to females because I've been watching too much porn" I can't understand that at all.

Whatever works for you, do what you have to.

One thing I don't think anyone can argue with is that porn has given most people an excellent sex education. I believe all the "can't find the clitoris" jokes just don't apply to our generation because of it. Although I did have a god-awful blowjob once where the girl used her teeth a lot more than she should have. She would have benefited from some extra porn-viewing sessions.

I call bulls*** on CHUB's no fapping = better success with females as he has been smashing D'Bay skanks for longer than it's been legal for him to.