Kochies mo is terrible
other guy is a douche for trying to put words into Seamus' mouth re: "what he really wants is the game banned"

I had to laugh when the Family Association guy was like "I came home and my kids had this game, and I didn't know they had it". Well thats the crux of the problem isn't it?

The older bloke said this is the 8th in the series...i thought it was the 7th?

The Familiy Association guy being surprised by the amount of violence in Call of Duty: Black Ops shows clearly that he's not informed of the kind of content in some games released this decade, or this year for that matter.

desensitized kids.

What a f*****g noob. How about hundreds of thousands of years of kids watching beheadings, hangings, tribal punishment/ war etc.. what a f***** joke and a weak excuse for not bringing in 18+

the push isnt for more violent video games, its for more adult themed video games you f***** bookworm wanker

Pretty sure leasure suit larry was banned, and there is no violence in that what so ever.

that damian guy is a f***** idiot and koshie should just give up trying to b hip with his mo

What an idiot the family party guy is.

Its like he lives in some alternate reality were kids play hopskotch and watch cartoons.

His suggestion that there should only be a PG and an R18 ratings is so stupid I dont even know were to start.

just finished my last psych test today.

Part of the content was the agression formation through observation. Studies were done which displayed watching TV makes [younger people] aggressive.

So wheres the ban on R18+ TV and vidoes?

i think the guy from the family party needs to be updated along with the rating system, they both base there decisions on society from 30 years ago. also he mentioned that his youngest son was 24, he is quite possibly not connected to today's teenage community and i think that he was the wrong person to be asking, i believe they should have asked someone with children in the age group that they are talking about.

i think the guy from the family party needs to be updated along with the rating system, they both base there decisions on society from 30 years ago. also he mentioned that his youngest son was 24, he is quite possibly not connected to today's teenage community and i think that he was the wrong person to be asking, i believe they should have asked someone with children in the age group that they are talking about.

Worth clearing up that he said his 24 year old son had Black ops and he asked him about it, he did say that he did not want his 15 year old son playing it. Just to be clear.

The "other side" of this argument never really seem to grasp the concept of what gamers who support an 18+ scale are saying. Its always the same "they just want more violence in games" argument.

The 18+ rating allows games to scale reasonably, a game that is popular, but excessively violent gets rated MA15 here, yet the same game is rated 18+ in other countries, this opens up a door way for poor decision making by parents; and in turn makes the games industry look bad for marketing to children, grossly violent games. The system is broken, and its the broken system that is to blame for not making parents openly aware of what games are, and are not suitable to their children.

Seamus made some excellent points, but when compared to Damian, who just continued to put words in his mouth, he was too timid on the issue. Seamus had an open opportunity to ride home the fact that we're not asking for more violence to be allowed, we're asking that adults be able to enjoy adult mediums of entertainment, with out being restricted because a poor system prevents propper parenting decisions.

Sorry for the rant, and repeating myself.

you got the names mixed uup, dude.

Yeah, the Damian dude seems keen on putting words in Seamus' mouth. Which is what we've been seeing when it comes to people speaking out about the net filter or about introducing the R18+ rating.

f*** yer sick there are heaps here

wow the car list for the new one is f***** pathetic, change the list in the last 4games much?

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Think the more important issue at hand is why is this guy's 24 year old son still living at home, and what kind of incapable adult has this man created? What does it say about the lack of credibility and over-abundance of righteousness from the Family Association if they use this guy as their representative?

To put it in perspective, I'm 24 and have been independent for 7 years, and would squirm at the idea of being treated like or thought of as a kid by some nosey parent, because that's not what I am. By all accounts it sounds as though this guy has not raised an independent adult.

tldr; arrhhh righteous unworthy pricks demanding capitulation

3 important things we should all take from that movie;

@2:05 we have a new Michael Jackson in the background doing the moon walk.
@3:49 we can clearly identify the game is boring and it's more fun using your iPhone
The arguments from Seamus were all logical for us but it needed to be dumbed down for the lowest common denominator and he has to be more emotional to get the point across.

Good job going onto national TV representing your family association without doing 1 second of research, just spouting your narrow minded opinion. Being someone who works in retail, an R rating would be a godsend for informing parents of what games are suitable for their young teen. Most parentsIi sell games to wish for a better rating system than we currently have. It needs to change with the changed market that exists today.

then what would schools push on kids

1 word Mr Family dude...

OWNED!

Chances of R18+ rating introduction before Duke Nukem Forever release? Fat chance, probably...

It's interesting, and unsurprising, how the perceptions and expectations of what the introduction of an R18+ rating would do, from both sides of the discussion, differ.

From the gamers perspective, we expect that very limited, if any, additional games will come to the Australian market as a result of the introduction of an R18+ rating. More so, we would see some future mature games, possibly existing ones, rated more sensibly as R18+ (like they are in other countries like the US and UK) under a new ratings system, that would have otherwise been rated as MA15+ under the current ratings system. Also, games intended for a mature and adult audience (18+) would be released in Australia unaltered under a new ratings system, not unlike other mediums (film, books, etc.), instead of having minor alterations so that they can be released in Australia under the highest allowable rating of MA15+ under the current ratings system, permitting the adult game to be purchased, viewed and played by children 15 years and over.

Judging from the responses so far to the debate from politicians and opponents such as Damian Tudehope, their perception is that the introduction of an R18+ rating would open the flood gates for highly violent and sexual games to reach our shores and that these games would be easily accessible to minors and children. According to one Australian politician, these future R18+ rated games would include Japanese stalk and rape games such as Rapelay. An extreme example at best considering the game is banned in most nations (such as the US and the UK) and is only sold in Japan (though, is no longer available).

I'm sorry if I'm biased, but I must say from my observation that defenders for the introduction of an R18+ rating (and revision of the ratings system, itself) usually base their arguments on censorship and consistency as well as an understanding of the current ratings system and games in general, whereas opponents for an R18+ rating often lack research and knowledge of video games currently available and their arguments are always founded on fear.

Shamus nailed it I thought, had the right answer all the way.

Family First seemed to have come off looking incompetent.

ta for the vid

According to one Australian politician, these future R18+ rated games would include Japanese stalk and rape games such as Rapelay.

I wish someone would explain to these politicians that this game was released back in 2006, only released in japan, is no longer sold, and that it is avaliable on the internet so anyone who wanted to play this game has no doubt done so already. No one is upstairs in an office, gathered together around a big table like some type of super villain meeting, rubbing their hands together saying "soon... the R18 system will be pushed, and we can flood australia with japanese sex games MUAHAHAHAHAHA".

I hate seeing that game used as an example of why games are bad, because it's such a super extreme type of game in a very specific genre that 99% of the world won't play or have even known about were it not for the retarded feminists who complained about it. Talk about a Streisand effect.

I played my first computer game (Wolfenstein 3d, doom after that) when i was 6 or 7 (22 now). I strongly believe that if you cannot distinguish between a computer game and real life then you got issues. If you cannot distinguish between animated graphic violence and real life violence then you got issues. I rarely ever flinch at the sight of computer violence but when i see violence in real life i can feel my stomach clench thats fairly normal right ?
If you think violent computer games makes people violent, your basing your assumption on the fact that a human is just an empty vessel who is ready to emulate whatever he sees in a computer game.
I think that the governments take on 18+ games is an insult. They think we are not mature enough to play our computer games even when we are over the age of consent and that pees me off!

haha that makes me think of buster in arrested development