Saw this on something awful, seems theres a few holes in the theory.

matrix within a matrix me thinks

.... and it was all a dream.

I'm liking the total flip.. Something I didn't even consider before.. However it steps quite a way outside the movie and really does being in the elements of the animatrix and enter the matrix.. Hence why i give it more weight.... They said that it would be a trilogy with a number of external elements that are needed to be taken in inorder to appreciate the whole story... hrmm he rasies good points, too many "coincidences" for it to be all wrong I think..

If they were all really machines, they'd kill themselves whenever they used EMP blasts.

They probably focus the EMP energy blast to the specific target and so only slightly injuring themself or not at all. Or the robots each has a little built in switch to trigger the emp, so it doesn't harm the triggerer. Maybe.

its a good theory but he is presuming alot. this is something that i found regarding the timeline of the movies.


The original Matrix starts with Trinity and Cypher talking, the
screen shows "Trace Program" and the date "2-18-98".

The movie ends with Neo making a phone call, the trace program is
initiated and the date reads "9-18-99"... 19 months have passed!

If you watch the movie again, you'll see that the time sequence
implies that they found Neo shortly after that initial conversation
(a few months after 2-18-98 at most).

Significant? Yes; I propose that Reloaded and Revolutions (which we
know occur one after another), take place between 2-18-98 and 9-18-
99. Here's why:

Only a few months could have passed from the time Morpheus and the
crew 'free' Neo to the time Neo is killed and revived in the
hallway. Why? for one, Neo's hair barely grows in that time and
that's not a trivial observation (it's also obvious that Neo grew
out his hair in Reloaded which occurs roughly 6 months after he's
unplugged).

We also know the W brothers don't put insignificant things into
their movies - the fact that they obviously signal to us that 19
months have passed from the start of the Matrix to the time Neo
makes that phone call is there for a reason.

In Reloaded, Neo says that "I wish I knew what I was supposed to
do". The phone call scene in the Matrix, Neo is very sure of what he
is supposed to do, "I'm going to hang up this phone and show these
people what you don't want them to see... a world without you,
without controls and boundries". Why would he have forgotten what to
do between M1 and M2? he didn't, that last scene in M1 occurs after
Revolutions!

Finally, at the end of M1, Neo states that "I can feel you now, you
are scared". At the end of Reloaded he says, "Something is
different, I can FEEL them now".

One more thing. A game directed by the W brothers called Matrix
online is due in '04 and the timeframe takes place after
Revolutions... and the matrix is alive and well in the game.

My guess is that there is no MWAM, they don't destroy the Matrix
because they can't unplug everyone at once and we'll see Neo make
that very same phone call at the end of Revolutions!

Nah, matrix within a matrix is even dumber. If they do that, there will be rioting in the streets. Talk about a total cop-out lamer ending.

Sounds rather like the 13th Floor.

Ok I'm gonna confuse you by saying analysing this movie is a complete and total waste of f*****g time. Who really f*****g cares. That guy is obviously a seriously whacked out ubernerd. You're all f*****g gay, wait til the movie comes and and see ffs.

One of the main problems in that fellas theory, is Neo being able to sense things outside the matrix. A machine not now nor ever will have psycic abilities. .: neo is a human.

The movie's assertion that your body would die of biofeedback shock if you died in a (VR) dream is also patently untrue: I've had dreams where I die (O__o), only to re-emerge in a freaky-weird afterlife where I'm chased through a rusted-out HongKong Wonderland by the Red Queen and her rat-headed Triad henchmen.
( -- Hell, I'm sure that some people at WarnerBrothers are dreaming of killing me right now! XD)

but the matrix isn't a dream is it? You're actually plugged into the computer via a spike in your head, that thing sends information to your brain that tells you the world you are in is real even though it's a simulation. It's not your eyes telling you the world is real or your brain knowing you're asleep and it's just a dream, as far as your brain knows what it's experiencing is real.

"if you define real simply as electrical impuleses interpreted by your brain"

if the computer tells you you have been shot your brain's not gonna know any different because the computer has taken on the role of your nerves, eyes, ears, internal organs etc.

ravn0s's theory is cool.

i really enjoyed it.

that was an awsome read, rav's theory just like many others i have taken in and not ruled out any one theory, despite "flaws" like druid said any plot turn is going to have flaws. I dont think that any of these "spoilers" are in fact spoilers, purely because when the third movie comes out, the amount of information that could not have even been thought of will ultimately satisfy the majority of the world audience, it sure will for me anyway.

basically mos tof this theory relates to the emp blast. so if he is wrong about the emp witch is very possible then pretty much his hole theory crumbles at the knees

not a bad read.

if the computer tells you you have been shot your brain's not gonna know any different because the computer has taken on the role of your nerves, eyes, ears, internal organs etc.

I don't care how powerful your brain is, it doesn't make blood run out of your mouth when it thinks it's been shot - that's due to the gunshot physically happening... OR because Neo is a machine and the blood thing is a feature to disguise his non-humainoid form.

im pretty sure it can hashy

So you're saying that if you're shot in the head, your brain tells your mouth to bite down on your tongue or something to that effect to produce blood? Where's the reasoning in that?

From my understanding of physics, blood gushing from the head from a bullet entery is caused by the kenitic impact blowing apart the skull, not because the brain said "HOLY F*** I HAVE BEEN SHOT IN THE HEAD, I BETTER BITE MY TOUNGE".

Of course from a film point of view, my bets are placed on the fact that the whole spitting blood out was to indicate that people realy where taking damage from the fights in the virtual arena, because most people who go to movies are stupid and need the visual clue.

This might be wrong...

Throughout the movie you see Neo and his love for Trinity and the machines wanting free will and the humans wanting peace. So if Neo was a machine but thinks he is human in Reloaded, he would follow on with the Architect's plan without knowing. And while his choice in the end of the movie by choosing to save Trinity instead of going into the other door to reboot the matrix or something, shows that human side of Neo.

That is why "The one" is important to the Architect because he could be an AI like the Oracle and the Keymaster. That is why he is given choice and that is why he has the ability for true love, which is a human emotion and requires free will.

In Evolutions it will be possible that Neo discovers that he could possibly be a machine and therefore believes that his love for Trinity who is a human has made human + machine = peace. With that you get a revolution.

I heard somewhere that the Matrix creators wanted the movie to be in depth and be very scientific.

genocide has no clue.

if you say so ravnos.