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Mechanical Keyboard Help
NFi
Melbourne, Victoria
27 posts
I'm interested in looking into upgrading from my G15 v2 to a mechanical keyboard. Mainly because I hear how incredible they're to use. Not just for a gaming purposes but even for just general use. Can anyone suggest me a keyboard. I'd like something with back light if possible, but I'm not even sure they've produced something like that? Also, quality is a must over gimmicky pos's. Price isn't to much of an issue unless it's just ridiculous...

Thank you.
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slyin
Brisbane, Queensland
120 posts
http://geekhack.org/forumdisplay.php?31-keyboards&s=ed9cc6d1d7e87e31637adabad91ec71b

furthur reading if you havent been there. backlight is kinda 'a gimmicky pos' thing.

ocau has megathreads too
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=972039
etc

last edited by slyin at 11:51:24 04/Mar/12
11:48am 04/03/12 Permalink
Outlaw
Gold Coast, Queensland
1616 posts
11:57am 04/03/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5252 posts
Mainly because I hear how incredible they're to use.

Heh.
01:33pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
19450 posts
backlight is kinda 'a gimmicky pos' thing.

They do have a use, mainly for watching porn in the dark but it's a legit use.

right?
03:05pm 04/03/12 Permalink
NFi
Melbourne, Victoria
28 posts
Thank you, both links have been an interesting read. The only issue that i have now is if its too noisy... which just can cause problems. But i'm not sure thats an option at least not through what i've read . Not sure if its worth it now :/
04:09pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5666 posts
My G510 makes noises when I type :S So not sure about mechanical keyboards, presume not because the whole idea is that you don't have to put as much pressure down.
04:23pm 04/03/12 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
7672 posts
I've got the daskeybaord silent version. It's more than loud enough, don't be put off by the 'silent' moniker.
04:49pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5673 posts
I think I might actually buy me a mechanical keyboard, noticing my G510 is annoying me when playing games. Also need to get rid of the keyboard at work, so that's another excuse. Are Razer's good quality, or is it just paying for a name?
07:50pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3136 posts
I have the blackwidow, and I love it.

I have had an issue with my space bar key, where a bit of plastic that sits under the spacebar snapped (fixed with some superglue and patience). I'm not sure how many issues other people have had.

My wife decided she wanted one after using mine and she's not a gamer. Clicky keyboards are great as long as you aren't in an office.
07:56pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
12796 posts
They do have a use, mainly for watching porn in the dark but it's a legit use.

right?

I must be watching porn wrong - my hands are rarely on the keyboard.
07:59pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Khel
Melbourne, Victoria
18371 posts
Yeah, I have the blackwidow as well and loving it, no problems at all with mine. And similar to Thundercracker's story, after my brother used mine he went out and bought his own too.
08:04pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5674 posts
Yeah looking at the BlackWidow now as well as reviews, seems to be hitting the green lights. The only difference it seems from Ultimate or not is background lighting and usb port/audio port yeah?
08:06pm 04/03/12 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
12731 posts
08:22pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3137 posts
Yup. Backlighting is nice, a single led per key. You can toggle through different levels of brightness as well.
08:23pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5676 posts
http://www.daskeyboard.com/

Why do you make it hard for me Teq...Hmm, might just go BlackWidow without backlighting, as my room always has a light on so real need. And don't really want to pay an extra $48 for lights.
08:39pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
19456 posts
http://www.daskeyboard.com/

lol @ also selling earplugs
08:56pm 04/03/12 Permalink
StopShootingMe
Brisbane, Queensland
3542 posts
Two Blackwidow Ultimate keyboards here, both with problems. Avoid.

Space bar problem on one, right Ctrl and left arrow key on the other.

I have a Corsair K60 on order, should be here on Wednesday, I'll let you know how that goes.
10:42pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5677 posts
Two Blackwidow Ultimate keyboards here, both with problems. Avoid.

Space bar problem on one, right Ctrl and left arrow key on the other.

I have a Corsair K60 on order, should be here on Wednesday, I'll let you know how that goes.

Were they covered under warranty?
11:03pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Mantorok
Brisbane, Queensland
6398 posts
Get a SteelSeries 6Gv2.
11:45pm 04/03/12 Permalink
Khel
Melbourne, Victoria
18372 posts
Two Blackwidow Ultimate keyboards here, both with problems. Avoid.
Space bar problem on one, right Ctrl and left arrow key on the other.


Bad batch maybe? Dunno, but like I said mines fine, my brother's is fine, and I know a few other people who've since bought them and theirs are fine.

I don't have the ultimate though, just the normal one.
12:45am 05/03/12 Permalink
StopShootingMe
Brisbane, Queensland
3543 posts
Apparently they had problems with early ones, Razor have been good about returns or sending out replacement keys, apparently, but doing a RMA on your keyboard is a huge pain. Pretty much have to buy a replacement to cover for the month or so without the keyboard.
09:33am 05/03/12 Permalink
Drummo
Melbourne, Victoria
154 posts
Just chiming in to say I have heard good things about the SteelSeries and DasKeyboard.

Blackwidow seems to have polarised a lot of people. They either love them to death, or hate them with a passion, though the passionate hatred seems to stem purely from having a faulty unit, and not specifically the Blackwidow being s***.

I'm still rocking one of these bad boys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard. Used to get a LOT of s*** at lans back in the day, for everything from the size, to the noise.

The thing is these keyboards were researched extensively to provide the best feel and accuracy, along with being reliable as f***. It baffles me why so many manufacturers ignored everything about these designs and we're only now seeing everything that made the M series great come back.
09:44am 05/03/12 Permalink
Any
Brisbane, Queensland
510 posts
I've got the Leopold with brown switches. Really like it. Louder than a regular keyboard, but it's nothing too crazy.
09:50am 05/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5680 posts
How loud is the BlackWidow? Not to bothered, the girls that I rent with barely hear anything over the sound of BF3 haha.
10:46am 05/03/12 Permalink
Khel
Melbourne, Victoria
18377 posts
Theres a definite audible, mechanical click to pushing a key, but I don't find it offensively loud. My brother said he can hear it from his room, when I'm in my room typing, but the rooms aren't too far apart and its not loud enough to annoy him.

Plus, I really like the sound, I dunno why, for some reason having a keyboard that makes clicky-clacky sounds just makes me feel more awesome when I'm typing :P It also feels really solid, which is the main thing that sold me on it when I was looking at keyboards at CA. So many keyboards I've had in the past, even the expensive logitech ones with the LCD screens and s***, just feel cheap and flimsy, but this thing feels heavy and solid like it means business.
11:06am 05/03/12 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
35809 posts
Are there any ergo style ones?
11:27am 05/03/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
4498 posts
Used to get a LOT of s*** at lans back in the day, for everything from the size, to the noise.


Yeah, Model M keyboards are the bomb.
Anyone giving you s*** over one obviously hasn't experienced mechanical keyboard awesomeness and therefore doesn't know how much better they feel than mushy dome cap pieces of garbage.
12:28pm 05/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5684 posts
There is Trog, over here, and looks like they ship overseas.

Thanks Khel, picking one up today so should be awesome.
01:30pm 05/03/12 Permalink
ara
Sydney, New South Wales
3451 posts
Are there any ergo style ones?


http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide#post_6025204

has a list of ergo keyboards down the bottom.
02:01pm 05/03/12 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
7527 posts
I have a razer blackwidow ultimate.

I like it.

I think its Cherry Black.
06:34pm 05/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5691 posts
Just got back from Umart and holy crap is this thing amazing. I can type so much faster and more efficient. Best purchase ever.
07:24pm 05/03/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
12388 posts
Since your job involves typing, the keyboard must surely get a tax break ;)
07:46pm 05/03/12 Permalink
ara
Sydney, New South Wales
3452 posts
Just got back from Umart and holy crap is this thing amazing. I can type so much faster and more efficient. Best purchase ever.


which one did you get?
08:17pm 05/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5695 posts
Razer Black Widow Expert, the unlit one. Didn't see the justification for lights and a USB/Audio port that adds a extra $40+. It's really good, and I'm now recommending it to every one of my friends. It just makes everything much more smoother and I can bounce around keys at ease while typing.
08:55pm 05/03/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3138 posts
clickety click :D
09:25pm 05/03/12 Permalink
Bobblybook
Melbourne, Victoria
19 posts
I have a couple.. das professional and filco tenkeyless (Google images), both with cherry browns.

The Das was my first, have been liking it but I went to clean it out a few weeks ago because something was loose inside and making noises. Turns out the little shaft thing that the screws screw into inside the case have broken off (2 of them at least) so now I can't get the screws out of the back of the kb case since they just spin endlessly. I got the noisy thing out finally though. It was one of the plastic pieces that has broken off lol. It's been on my desk the whole time since I got it so I couldn't have broken anything.

The shininess of the Das gets annoying too after a while. Gets dusty fast (or rather you notice the dust a lot faster).

I've heard bad things about the razer mech keyboard, anyone who's used a das/leopold/HHKB/filco etc always say the Razer is inferior. I haven't actually got a blackwidow so take my advice with a grain of salt, but a lot of Razer's products tend to be pretty crud (apart from their mice) so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some truth in it.

Filco's are my favourite. Also keep in mind the difference between say, two cherry mx blue kb's won't be the keys (obviously) but the rest of the kb, eg. build quality, keycaps so on. I felt compelled to buy my Filco because at the moment my kb is pretty off-centre due to the numpad (it's a pain for typing, gaming and pretty much anything) and can't move it over due to my mousepad, so really consider whether or not you will need a numpad, it can be detrimental :(

Leopolds I've heard are very good boards. Basically all the goodness of a mech keyboard and good build quality with no frills at a cheap (relative) price.

My recommendation is Filco > Das/Leopold (don't have one to directly compare) > Razer blackwidow.

Also this is just regarding cherry mx switches. I don't have any experience with capacitive/buckling springs boards so I won't comment.

One last thing... anyone who has a mech keyboard should check out these: Rubber switch dampeners. (I don't remember them being that expensive, maybe they went up since I got mine). You can use regular o-rings if you find the proper size somewhere. They basically cushion the keystroke and you don't get that clunky bottoming out noise when typing, only the softer click when the key activates. I have a few (literally only a couple) spare I might be able to part with if anyone wants to try them before buying, it makes a big difference. No, I don't get commission.. feel free to use DIY o-rings if you can source them!

Sorry for the rant, bored & nothing to do. *whistle*
11:49pm 05/03/12 Permalink
StopShootingMe
Brisbane, Queensland
3544 posts
Corsair K60 arrived, pretty impressed with it, though it lacks the clickety clack of the Blackwidow. Key pressure feels great, though.

The replacement WASD and 1-6 keys seem like a gimmick, but maybe they'll grow on me.
01:13pm 06/03/12 Permalink
TufNuT
I like eel pie
Brisbane, Queensland
3806 posts
01:17pm 06/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5714 posts
@Bobblybook, I have yet to notice any inferiorness with the Black Widow, nor have any problems arisen, though I've only had it for a day at the most, and it's my first mechanical keyboard. It however is a damn solid keyboard, quite weighty and was surprised by that. The clicky clacky is just to much fun though haha.
01:32pm 06/03/12 Permalink
Bobblybook
Melbourne, Victoria
20 posts
@Bobblybook, I have yet to notice any inferiorness with the Black Widow


Of course you won't notice any difference if it's your first and have nothing to compare it to, lol. I don't have one myself so I can't give my opinion, just what I've heard from people that own both.

I've been meaning to get a board with blues for the clickyness, but having 2 mech keyboards already has delayed the extra purchase :D

Edit: Also from that page TufNuT linked, looks like the Black Widow only has 2kro via usb.. that could be one of the reasons mentioned. I really have no idea, it's been a while since I read up about it. I know the Black Widow only comes with mx blues (the clicky ones), but most people like these anyway so it's not a bad choice.
05:31pm 06/03/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
12394 posts
I head Ducky's are excellent and you cant go past Unicomp for build quality. Is that right?
06:35pm 06/03/12 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3646 posts
I bought a Razer Black Widow. Keys are rather loud and also even after less than a month it looks like some of the lettering on the keys is already starting to get worn off.
07:13pm 06/03/12 Permalink
tashap007
Mackay, Queensland
11 posts
My wife got me a Razor Black Widow Ultimate and a Naga and the 900 wide razor mouse pad for a present. The keyboard is awesome.....
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