You might recall a few months ago that Derek Smart (yes that Derek Smart) found himself dumped as a backer of Star Citizen following some self-aggrandizing -- yet strangely pointed --
blog posts regarding concerns for the game.
Your boy Joabo was one of the few who backed Derek Smart on this, mostly because,
If anyone knows what a space game which is biting off more than it can chew looks like, it's Derek Smart. If smart wasn't already a word in English, we could probably describe creating a Space Game You Can't Possibly Finish as 'Smarting'. And in all honesty, it seems like Star Citizen is Smarting hard.
Most people defending Star Citizen seemed more concerned with attacking the player and not the ball, so to speak, highlighting Derek Smart's many hilarious failures in an effort to discredit him while ignoring what are some fairly relevant concerns.
Those concerns have reared their heads again today thanks to a lengthy, revelatory article on The Escapist featuring comments from many former and current staff members of CIG.
The piece,
which you can read in full, sources nine people, apparently none of whom are Derek Smart. And the concerns raised are... terrifying if true.
"$90 million for what he's pitching, even with a competent leadership, you couldn't do," CS1 wrote. "The thing you have to remember about Chris Roberts is that, before this, he hadn't made a game in 12 years. He has no concept of what can and can't be done today with that amount of money, or for a game like this. Chris Roberts hadn't made a game in 12 years, and he was actively ignoring the input of people who have been in and a part of the industry that entire time."
Allegations of toxicity from senior members of staff, massive salaries and rampant scope creep are explored within the article. It's a very thorough piece of reporting in some areas, but it's downright off in others.
A lot of statements are quotes, sourced and all, but some of the most inflammatory claims are un-sourced. Maybe the author got carried away with their own rhetoric in an alarming fashion, but it looks exactly like the old journalist trick designed to give the un-sourced, not quoted parts of the story the same weight as the other elements. It's a special sort of horseshit which has no place in a story like this.
Shady elements of the story aside, there are some strong allegations made using many sources. And
Chris Roberts' response takes basically the worst possible tack.
In the 5800 word response, Roberts spends more than half his time specifically attacking the author of the article and Derek Smart. He references tweets and alleges political motivations and spends far too much time attacking the author. Less than half of what he writes actually addresses the claims being presented to him.
Instead of obsessing over the motivations of the author and their connection to Derek Smart, Roberts should have responded directly to the claims (his responses are fine, and valid) and let other people do the rest of it.
For example, another employee named Thomas Hennessy explained
his positive experience working at CIG in a post on reddit. Others too have posted their own refutations regarding, at least, the claims of toxicity within the office. There is clearly a lot of positivity for Star Citizen, from backers and staff alike. So attacking people who ask pointed, relevant questions does nothing except lend a degree of authenticity to their claims.
Some will side with The Escapist, others with Chris Roberts and CIG. Based on his response, it's clear that Roberts is tired of responding to posts like these, and it's hard to fault him for it. I remain optimistic yet wary about the reality of Star Citizen's release. Where do you sit?
*Update*
User and Star Citizen fan DAwGia has pointed out the most egregious, inflammatory claims -- those which were un-sourced -- may have been pulled directly from recruitment and company review site "Glassdoor".
Reviews left for Cloud Imperium Games echo claims written in the article on the Escapist, and it appears after some preliminary research that anyone can post a review while claiming to be a current employee at a company simply by signing up to the site. Glassdoor analyses submitted reviews, but according to their community guidelines anonymity is key to their principles. Further, Glassdoor remains neutral 'in all cases of dispute and do not act as the finder of fact', which calls to question what it is they analyse in the anonymous reviews left on the site.
The reviews used were posted days ago and are repeated word for word within The Escapist article, although always phrased as 'it was claimed' and shadily attributed to the actual sources used in the news post. This is why you don't use unattributable quotes in your otherwise (seemingly) well-researched and well-sourced article.
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Posted 01:15pm 02/10/15
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3n6l
Lizzy literally took them word for word from Glassdoor. So much for journalistic integrity. I hope her resume is up to date.
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Updated the story to reflect the new information.
Posted 02:04pm 02/10/15
I'm not going to pretend to be a fan of the circus that is Star Citizen, but I'm even less of a fan of journo's who deliberately mislead people.
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Posted 02:53pm 02/10/15
Mate. This is why you don't jump on an artical like the original and re post its bold lies and many un credited "truths" that later turn out to have zero actual substantiated truth in them. Your a reporter. Your goal should be to print the unbiased truth. well you picked up a story and re printed its lies. good job on facts checking with that one. you ( seemingly) need a lesson in fair and unbiased journalism. Just bee aware that the origional reporter is likly looking for a new job at this moment.
Seriously. if anyone wants to review Star Citizen development. get off your lazy arse and walk into one of there studios or educate yourself in the development proses a tiny bit. for example. it was claimed that mosy all backer money had been spent. Im hoping there spending my money! as quickly as it comes in!!! Preformance motion capture shoots and server farms are expencive. Infact. If there is a single cent left over thats not spent by thee timee this game goes to full release then I will be displeased. Now if, like some people you think that itds going to take another $100 million to finish... then there are investors and f***tons more concept sales(preepair for wavee 5. smaller ships now that all the big ones are concepted) . Star Citizen fans are not stupid. We do do stupid things just to prove a point though. For example. There is currently a thread on reddit where SC backers are buying eachother more ships. Why? because there trolling reporters and smart fanatics. SSo you see there are fanatics on both sidess. The SC ones are flying around in a very soon to bee universe simulator while the smart croud are smarting over another PR loss. Its helerious to see people with clearly negative agenders try to take down CIG. and why do they do it? mostly jelousy. There are a few backers who have been permanantly banned for being horrible humans. there the ones saying SC is going to fail. co if it dosnt they have to live with it being awesome...that they got banned from. like smart. hes been pissy with Roberts since Roberts made wing commander. have you seeen how smart cravees any attention, even negative? Youve entered an old war mate.
Posted 03:17pm 02/10/15
Fair and unbiased journalism involves reporting on the information at hand. When there was questionable information, I called it into question. That's pretty much the extent of my burden isn't it?
I'm not sure how you've read the sentence "I remain optimistic yet wary about the reality of Star Citizen's release." and decided I'm out to see it fail but you aren't really doing much for the reputation Star Citizen fans have of being rabid lunatics.
Posted 03:35pm 02/10/15
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Because they have far too much disposable income and/or are far too easily parted with their money? I'll give Chris Roberts and his company credit for one thing, they sure nailed the formula for sucking money out of cashed up geeks. People must have spent hundreds, thousands, maybe even tens of thousands by now on stuff that not only doesn't physically exist, but doesn't even digitally exist yet. This is like the next level beyond paying for costumes and mounts and stuff like that in games, this is paying for digital goods that don't (and may never) even exist! Its genius really.
Posted 03:49pm 02/10/15
learn to paragraph motherf*****
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It's sad. It really is. Whether or not you believe in the project, there is a line you simply shouldn't cross. The author of the inflammatory article, Lizzy, clearly made no effort to be objective, it was clickbait and she feels absolutely no remorse for what she did.
Posted 04:56pm 02/10/15
I'm guessing the poor girl at escapist was the unlucky person who accepted the information she was given as reliably sourced.
As yet not one has been willing to put their names to any of the inside information claims. Until that happens I don't give much weight to any of the rumors or fear mongering being 'news' articles.
I think CR went into too much detail in his response, he should of kept it more about denying any claims as opposed to DS or other people.
PS: Given the circumstances the title of this article is a bit click baity IMO.
Posted 04:58pm 02/10/15
Did you read:
The journalism from Ausgamers was just fine. It was the first I've heard of it and I came away from reading the article as, people b****ing about Chris and Star Citizen with dodgy claims, other people refute it.
Not sure why you feel you have to pounce on that.
Posted 05:05pm 02/10/15
Yeah, back when everything looked to be on the sideways and up it seemed like an alright title but now it seems off.
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Posted 09:14pm 02/10/15
Rugby League fans one day, SC fans the next. Joabs doing his best to bring in new members haha
Posted 10:44pm 02/10/15
"Just because you read it on the Internet does not make it true" -- Abraham Lincoln
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Posted 01:00am 03/10/15
Let me know when the games done.
Posted 01:11am 03/10/15
I've left it and that online group for now.
I don't like games that I can't admin.
I don't have time for people who don't listen when I am giving them advice that they paid for.
Posted 08:50am 03/10/15
That's because TOG are old and insane and probably all suffer from some kind of mental illness. Which exactly why I should join!
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Posted 11:53pm 04/10/15
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/trans
Looks like my comment "I'm guessing the poor girl at escapist was the unlucky person who accepted the information she was given as reliably sourced." may of been pretty accurate given other media outlets were offered it and did not deem it worthy of being published.
Posted 08:50am 05/10/15
Does seem like an over the top response if they're done no wrong, generally you just let your actions speak for themselves, though I appreciate the issue of a minority of unhappy ex-employees causing trouble for an otherwise happy ship.
Posted 11:31am 05/10/15
I hope you enjoyed wasting your money and giving Chris Roberts a nice pay check to create nothing. If anything does come out it will be horses*** and I hope to see the day when you cry a little bit. Hopefully you will learn from this mistake.
Can't wait to see this implode and the inevitable class action lawsuit. I hope nobody kills themselves after all this is done and dusted becuase... geez man 100k? WHAT.
Posted 11:57am 05/10/15
This is a Chris Roberts game.
Basically... could be 2018, maybe 2019.
Hell, look at the way the original Wing Commander game were almost forcibly released.
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Posted 01:27pm 06/10/15
Whether this game succeeds or fails, won't come down to these tired snipe-pieces.
Thanks for wasting my time joaby.
Posted 01:40pm 06/10/15
Seems like its fairly balanced to me.
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Posted 03:14pm 06/10/15
As much as the lunatic Star Citizen fans make me want to back Escapist on this out of spite, I just can't get over how poorly they put it all together. Seriously if their new interviews are anonymous again, there's not a single thing in the world that would make me believe they're for real.
Posted 05:56pm 06/10/15
He means the original escapist article is take-down and he's thanking Joaby for pointing it out.
Where there is smoke there is fire and your precious game is burning AHAHAH
Posted 07:44pm 06/10/15