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Post by Eorl @ 08:12am 01/10/14 | 107 Comments
Today Microsoft officially unveiled the latest version of its traditional computer operating system, though not what we were expecting. Many previous rumours had suggested the newest OS to be labelled Windows 9, however Microsoft today announced a re-branding, completely skipping to Windows 10.

Described as the company's "most comprehensive platform, ever," Windows 10 stresses a single product family, platform, and store. While the announcement covered quite a bit in terms of enterprise customers, general consumers have some changes to look forward to as well — one of which is an updated and familiar Start Menu that many haters of Windows 8 will be eager for.

The new version looks more like the pre-Windows 8 Start Menu, revealing a list of apps, folders, and a search bar, but to the side will be a series of Live Tiles. Essentially, you'll find a Windows 7 Start Menu with a Windows 8 twist. The search function works much like it does when typing from the Windows 8 Modern UI, revealing apps, files, and web results.

Windows 8-style apps can now be windowed within the traditional desktop, adding more flexibility in how you use them—currently, they can only be used at full-screen or within the confines of "snapped" windows. For the newly-designed windowed apps, you will be able to snap them to the edges of the screen like you would from the traditional Windows desktop.

Microsoft has also added a new multi-tasking feature that looks and works similar to what we see on other platforms. When you initiate "Task View" a series of small desktop views will be displayed at the bottom of the screen, with larger previews of the apps being shown off in the middle of the display. You can also quickly select and move around apps from different desktops with a new "Snap Assist" function, which will be nice for the power users out there.

While a Windows 7-style Start Menu is good and all for mouse users, Microsoft will also introduce a different version for those using touchscreen computers. Instead of a small menu consisting of a bunch of text and small Live Tiles, touch users will be greeted with something that more resembles the Windows 8 Modern UI, while still in the traditional desktop. Microsoft is really working to blend its two distinct interfaces into one experience that works for all users.

If you want to get your hands on an early version of Windows 10, Microsoft will be launching its Windows Insider Program tomorrow, offering a preview build for both laptops and desktops. The company plans to discuss more about consumer-facing changes during the first part of 2015.

Thoughts on Windows 10? Let us know in the comments if you are thinking of picking this one up, or will you be sticking with the fabled Windows 7?



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TiT
Posted 08:40am 01/10/14
all depends on price, do love windows 8 with windows classic start menu so dont have any isssues with it
Zapo
Posted 08:42am 01/10/14
I must admit I wasn't excited about Windows 9 because I thought it was just going to be a minor update. Now that it's Windows 10 though, wow, I'm really keen!
zaraq
Posted 08:45am 01/10/14
Hmm i had forgotten about the start button,and it looks like it might be freebie for W 8.1 users if you can believe the hype.
infi
Posted 08:51am 01/10/14
Did the confirm that they are offering free upgrades to Windows 8 owners?
Meddek
Posted 08:59am 01/10/14
Depends on price for me I picked up Windows 8 because they offered a cheap upgrade for home users $59 I think it was.
zaraq
Posted 09:09am 01/10/14
The free part is just scuttlebutt based on a partly overheard conversation of a Microsoft employee still it has been widely reported as gospel on various web sights like softpedia.
Personally i think pigs will fly before Microsoft goes the full retard and gives away it's operating system for free.
Audi
Posted 10:06am 01/10/14
lol, skipping windows 9...
ph33x
Posted 11:24am 01/10/14
Did the confirm that they are offering free upgrades to Windows 8 owners?

Even if, you'll need to install Windows 8 everytime you format, then upgrade. F*** that.

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I'm keen to see what happens with this OS. DX12 looks the goods, and the OS will scale in 4K much better, etc. It's all lining up for a 4K upgrade this year.
zaraq
Posted 11:42am 01/10/14
You could just get an external backup drive and keep that up to speed ,so a reinstall is no problems.

Pretty advanced stuff i know probably a little beyond your pay grade.
Hogfather
Posted 11:54am 01/10/14
Even if, you'll need to install Windows 8 everytime you format, then upgrade. F*** that.

If that was the problem, why not just store an image of the clean and activated install somewhere?

Looking forward to moving to 4k.
ph33x
Posted 12:24pm 01/10/14
If that was the problem, why not just store an image of the clean and activated install somewhere?

Looking forward to moving to 4k.

Yeah this is also doable, but if you run your OS drives in hardware RAID then you could have an issue getting the goods back onto your drives.

4K for less than $4K, spray all over me.
konstie
Posted 12:52pm 01/10/14
i feel lame but I am kinda excited by this. i like some of the desktop and "productivity" features they added.

Hogfather
Posted 01:00pm 01/10/14
Yeah this is also doable, but if you run your OS drives in hardware RAID then you could have an issue getting the goods back onto your drives.

Strewth, who doesn't just use an OS SSD and 3x as much memory as they really need :) ?
4K for less than $4K, spray all over me.

inorite

cool video konsto but f*** me his hair makes me SO DAMN MAD

Also tech preview not available yet, damn.
ph33x
Posted 01:33pm 01/10/14
It's supposed to be available very shortly. As in, by tonight shortly if I recall. Might VM it for now but I can only assume there will be too many teething issues.

I'm excited too Konsto because I successfully boycotted W8 all this time. I want something new and fresh, but I damn well refused to use Windows without a Start Menu, or pay for an alternative. We're back on the right track now so I'm willing to spend. :))
Dodgymon
Posted 02:16pm 01/10/14
Typically Microsoft release OS's in the order of good bad good bad. so by skipping 9 which is set to be a good OS they have essentially gone from bad to bad. Lets just prepare ourselves for another fail and stick to windows 7.
Audi
Posted 02:35pm 01/10/14
I'll slap the RC on a hdd for a stick beak
Hogfather
Posted 03:19pm 01/10/14
Typically Microsoft release OS's in the order of good bad good bad. so by skipping 9 which is set to be a good OS they have essentially gone from bad to bad. Lets just prepare ourselves for another fail and stick to windows 7.

See I don't agree with that at all, the good-bad-good only works depending on what you count as a release. IMO:
3, 3.1, 3.11 - good
95 - good-ish, 32-bit apps and new UI welcome but unstable as 3 legged dog
98 - s***, wtf MS, y u hate us
98 SE - good
2000 - good, very good! IT people are using 2000 Server as client OS cos its stable! This release basically kills the win9x line to the betterment of mankind.
ME - lol, last win9x and its ssssoo bad
XP - good, NT core assumes primacy, thank f***
Vista - s*** but lots of changes that really needed to be made. Lots of people who happily use sudo in linux cry about UAC. OK once patches and support for changes / drivers etc
7 - good (Vista SP2 with new UI)
8 - the arguments about Start Screen and Metro go on for f*****g years and will probably never end
8.1 - less arguments
9 - f*** it, ms flip the table
10 - looks good?
Mass
Posted 03:32pm 01/10/14
Wonder what will happen with Media Centre this time around.
ph33x
Posted 05:40pm 01/10/14
The good-bad-good only works depending on what you count as a release. IMO:


Yep, I try to use only 'domestic' copies of Windows. Stuff the home user (and your typical gamer for that matter) would want. Even though I used Windows 2000 for years, it's off my list as a standard domestic version of Windows, even though it was the f*****g bees knees at the time. (In fact, I'd almost say it's been the best Windows so far) Also, 3.1 was fairly different to all the other versions of Windows so I kinda keep that out as well, also cause it'd ruin my pattern so it's out on its ass.

Basically (IMO):
95 - Good
98 - Bad
98se - Good
ME - Bad
XP - Good
Vista - Bad
7 - Good
8 - Bad
9/10 - ???

F*****g better be good so it doesn't ruin my pattern.
ravn0s
Posted 05:47pm 01/10/14
i guess 7 8 9.

i'll stick with win7 for now.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 05:56pm 01/10/14
RIP win 2k, you were the best.
Crakaveli
Posted 06:12pm 01/10/14
Yeah no thanks, i'll stick with 7.
Hogfather
Posted 06:34pm 01/10/14
Also, 3.1 was fairly different to all the other versions of Windows so I kinda keep that out as well, also cause it'd ruin my pattern so it's out on its ass.

You also have 98SE as a separate release, but don't include 8.1.

Good-bad-good.. only works if you arbitrarily make it so by excluding and including versions to suit :)
Spook
Posted 06:49pm 01/10/14
ADDING A DESKTOP!!!!!!
Spook
Posted 06:59pm 01/10/14
anyone got a loader for it yet?
Audi
Posted 08:41pm 01/10/14
i guess 7 8 9.

i'll stick with win7 for now.


Yeah well its not out so no s***.
ph33x
Posted 08:43pm 01/10/14

You also have 98SE as a separate release, but don't include 8.1.

Good-bad-good.. only works if you arbitrarily make it so by excluding and including versions to suit :)

Aw yea nah nah nah nah m8.
ravn0s
Posted 09:21pm 01/10/14
Yeah well its not out so no s***.


so hostile.
Khel
Posted 12:02am 02/10/14
I dunno why all the Windows 8 hate. Start screen is a bit gumby but it took me all of about a day to get over that, and apart from that its just a Windows 7 that feels snappier and slicker and has a bunch of improvements. And its pretty rock solid too, I haven't really had any issues with crashes or drivers or anything since I installed it.

So yeah, maybe its not perfect, but I've still had a great experience with it, very very far from the bad of Vista or ME. I'd put it on par with Windows 7.
ctd
Posted 12:04am 02/10/14


I dunno why all the Windows 8 hate. Start screen is a bit gumby but it took me all of about a day to get over that, and apart from that its just a Windows 7 that feels snappier and slicker and has a bunch of improvements. And its pretty rock solid too, I haven't really had any issues with crashes or drivers or anything since I installed it.

So yeah, maybe its not perfect, but I've still had a great experience with it, very very far from the bad of Vista or ME. I'd put it on par with Windows 7.

Agree with this.

10 looks the goods. All the stuff from 8 without the fullscreen bs no one used.
zaraq
Posted 07:38am 02/10/14
I agree W8 is the bee's knees it is turbo charged XP i can install most games unlike W7 eg Chaos Theory's star-force their is none of the driver problems and it has a copy\clone option so you can back up the entire HD to another HD.

I can't get Blood Money to install that might put some people off.
ph33x
Posted 09:00am 02/10/14
I dunno why all the Windows 8 hate. Start screen is a bit gumby but it took me all of about a day to get over that, and apart from that its just a Windows 7 that feels snappier and slicker and has a bunch of improvements. And its pretty rock solid too, I haven't really had any issues with crashes or drivers or anything since I installed it.

So yeah, maybe its not perfect, but I've still had a great experience with it, very very far from the bad of Vista or ME. I'd put it on par with Windows 7.

8 is a great OS. Technologically speaking, it's certainly the operating system we should all be using.

But Metro is aids, everyone knows it's aids, people don't want to change, MS know it was wrong, Start Menu is coming back now, with all the awesome background features that Windows 8 has. You'll have to just accept that people are mad about Windows 8, you won't change it. But Windows 10 is looking like the cute ginger that people can attach to and will give everyone the best of all worlds. I mean, look at that f*****g Start Menu. It's gorgeous and once expanded to fill your screen, I think it'll be even better than Metro (for the people who liked/tolerated Metro that is).
arkter
Posted 10:06am 02/10/14
So... take windows 8 and make it more like windows 7. Now sell it to the public.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
glynd
Posted 11:24am 02/10/14
I dunno why all the Windows 8 hate. Start screen is a bit gumby but it took me all of about a day to get over that, and apart from that its just a Windows 7 that feels snappier and slicker and has a bunch of improvements. And its pretty rock solid too, I haven't really had any issues with crashes or drivers or anything since I installed it.

So yeah, maybe its not perfect, but I've still had a great experience with it, very very far from the bad of Vista or ME. I'd put it on par with Windows 7.


yep, loved Windows 8 so far. Still don't understand the complaints. The Shut Down complaint is the funniest though.
Khel
Posted 11:34am 02/10/14
The Shut Down complaint is the funniest though.


That actually annoyed me at first, the shutdown/restart is definitely in a more awkward place, till I realised I could just press the power button on my PC instead. Now I'm so used to doing that it feels weird when I can't.

But yeah, Metro is aids. The few times I've accidentally opened one, not realising it was a Metro app, I felt dirty. At least 8.1 added more traditional close buttons to them instead of that stupid "drag down to close" thing they had going on at the start.
ph33x
Posted 11:58am 02/10/14
Twice as bad on a laptop when you need to use the trackpad.

I actually noticed something last night I can't do in Metro that I can in a start menu. Normally to access shares I press Windows Key, then \\server\ then Enter. When I do this in Metro nothing happens. I had to go to desktop mode, bring up explorer and type it in there. F*** Metro without lube.
Hogfather
Posted 12:32pm 02/10/14
Got it up on my lappy this morning, clean install. No hassles with install, same as WP8.

ZOMG:
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Metro apps as windows works as described, but seems to have some limitations with resizing (min height etc). But they fit in perfectly with the new 'borderless' window feel and don't really seem to be jarring now:

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Right hand window is a Metro app 'snapped' to right side but detaches like a normal window with a minimum height. Windows in general are even more minimalistic than 8. I didn't like that when I first got 8 but its grown on me now.

Metro apps appear alongside normal ones in your start menu. Looks like a very good job done unifying the Store s*** and regular desktop. For example, Store apps I own that are not installed locally have little start menu shortcut prompts which are kinda neat?:

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Clicking on them will install, but you don't get an immediate response that anything happened. Needs work but it does function ok.

Seems to go good, no big bugs yet. I know I stuck the preview version of 7 on my home computer, if visual studio works I will probably install this at home tonight as well.
Hogfather
Posted 12:43pm 02/10/14
ZOMG NO MORE LIMIT ON CMD PROMPT WINDOW SIZE AND CTRL+V JUST F***IGN WORKS
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Its retarded that this is a big thing, but here is your reason to upgrade, people.

Need to go here and do this:
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ph33x
Posted 12:45pm 02/10/14
This OS looks lovely. I think it's really time to do the 4K thing.

Anyone know RC date? Did you install with a VM or direct?
Hogfather
Posted 12:47pm 02/10/14
I did an install direct on my lappy from USB, VM apparently works fine tho from reddit.
Dazhel
Posted 01:17pm 02/10/14
That actually annoyed me at first, the shutdown/restart is definitely in a more awkward place, till I realised I could just press the power button on my PC instead.

More people should know about this. So easy to just hit the power button!


Also, I've always thought that the reason why the console host didn't get any love with previous versions of windows was because of compatibility.
There's almost certainly some business out there with green screen apps that will flip their s*** if the console started to eat keyboard shortcuts.

With that in mind I'd guess that 'Experimental Console Features' property sheet will stay and be the official on/off switch for that stuff in the future.
ph33x
Posted 01:36pm 02/10/14
The power button puts the system into Sleep though right?
Dazhel
Posted 01:53pm 02/10/14
It's configurable in the control panel power settings. You can shutdown, hibernate or ignore when the power button is pressed.
ph33x
Posted 02:05pm 02/10/14
I should have said I meant by default it still sleeps in W8? Mainly cause when I use W8, it's to fix someone's laptop/boxen and I'm always restarting/shutting down instead.

I'm sure it's great once you're sitting there with your browser/vent running, but as a power user who needs to dig around it was nothing but a slow down for me. There was never a stage where I was telling myself, "Wow! That was handy!" and I've tried to keep an open mind.
Sir Redhat
Posted 04:37pm 02/10/14
I should have said I meant by default it still sleeps in W8? Mainly cause when I use W8, it's to fix someone's laptop/boxen and I'm always restarting/shutting down instead.

I'm sure it's great once you're sitting there with your browser/vent running, but as a power user who needs to dig around it was nothing but a slow down for me. There was never a stage where I was telling myself, "Wow! That was handy!" and I've tried to keep an open mind.


I think with laptops it is sleep by default but with desktops its power down.
Viper119
Posted 05:39pm 02/10/14
8 wasn't bad, the user base just wasn't ready for the UI/UX change, and unlike Facebook MS's users pay, so they rolled back to accommodate the complaining masses.

MS are trying to innovate, god bless them, but are being restricted by their enormous customer base who hates change.
Spook
Posted 05:59pm 02/10/14
what limit on cmd size? i have my cmd windows as large as i want em
Khel
Posted 06:13pm 02/10/14
MS are trying to innovate, god bless them, but are being restricted by their enormous customer base who hates change


Pretty much the same thing that happened with the XBox One. I thought their whole plan of library sharing and being able to trade in digital games and all that stuff they were talking about at the start sounded fantastic. They did a very poor job of selling the message, but the ideas they were throwing out there were really cool and innovative and something that genuinely felt 'next gen' for a console. Till they got shouted down and went back to doing the same old.
Hogfather
Posted 06:22pm 02/10/14
what limit on cmd size? i have my cmd windows as large as i want em

Assume this is some sort of tryhard not-Windows or third party shell remark. Well played, no really. Witty as f***.

Went balls deep this arvo and did an upgrade install at home by running the setup.exe from the ISO from within windows 8. It takes a VERY LONG TIME to do this but it appears to have worked perfectly, my profile, preferences and all installed applications (within and without the Store) all made it fine.
Spook
Posted 06:43pm 02/10/14
Assume this is some sort of tryhard not-Windows or third party shell remark. Well played, no really. Witty as f***.


i use windows cmd and i just set the size of the console as big as i want it!??!?!?! (and windows remembers, so at work, where i work on the cmd line all the time, its nice and full screen, just how i want it)

link
Hogfather
Posted 06:48pm 02/10/14
i use windows cmd and i just set the size of the console as big as i want it!??!?!?! (and windows remembers, so at work, where i work on the cmd line all the time, its nice and full screen, just how i want it)
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Spook
Posted 06:48pm 02/10/14
HOLY CRAP IM USING WINDOWS 10!!!!!

oh wait, no im still using 7

link
Hogfather
Posted 06:49pm 02/10/14
Nope, just being a d******* (yet again).
ph33x
Posted 06:52pm 02/10/14
Stop making us look like noobs Spook.
Spook
Posted 06:53pm 02/10/14
sorry bro, im confused by what you were excited about.
Hogfather
Posted 06:59pm 02/10/14
Spoke too soon, office didn't make it.
sorry bro, im confused by what you were excited about.

I'm honestly 100% shocked that you thought that a fixed width cmd line window was at all useful and didn't immediately understand what I was excited about.

Do you even computars?!
ph33x
Posted 06:58pm 02/10/14
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Hogfather
Posted 07:04pm 02/10/14
ph33x, its actually natively here, when you left click on the window icon:

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This was more common sometime in the era before windows95, the last time that cmd had any real UX updates.
Spook
Posted 07:02pm 02/10/14
link
ph33x
Posted 07:04pm 02/10/14
Yeah but... who left clicks a window icon?!?! Time to download this preview. Gonna set up a VMWare on the server for now so I can play with it on the gamer and not break anything. I haven't felt like this since the Whistler days. :D

Any gripes?
Hogfather
Posted 07:06pm 02/10/14
I'm not doing this Dave. You're functionally defective sometimes.
Yeah but... who left clicks a window icon?!?!

Nobody in a long, long time.
Spook
Posted 07:08pm 02/10/14
yer, i feel like im missing somethign.
ph33x
Posted 07:09pm 02/10/14
Spook sets his facebook to notify him everything via email notifs and doesn't afraid of anything.
Spook
Posted 07:17pm 02/10/14
how embarassments!
Khel
Posted 07:19pm 02/10/14
I think the point is you can dynamically resize the one in win10 (how long till it gets known as WinX) and it will adapt and resize content to fit on the fly, rather than it being one preset size.
Spook
Posted 07:20pm 02/10/14
I think the point is you can dynamically resize the one in win10 (how long till it gets known as WinX) and it will adapt and resize content to fit on the fly, rather than it being one preset size.


hey, thats pretty exciting!
ph33x
Posted 07:31pm 02/10/14
Do I 'have' to sign up to the Insider thingy?
Hogfather
Posted 07:34pm 02/10/14
Do I 'have' to sign up to the Insider thingy?

Not to install I think? Worked for me from the ISO download link above.

I signed up because I'm actively reporting issues and s***.
TicMan
Posted 09:06am 03/10/14
This looks like a pretty good reason why they skipped "Windows 9" as the name.. silly developers!
Roonee
Posted 11:17am 03/10/14
(how long till it gets known as WinX) a


I overheard a microsoft employee saying WinX will actually be their next release but because they didn't want to miss out on having a 'Win 10', with 10 being a nice round number and thus accounting for about 86% of the new users jumping over from apple, they're just skipping 'Win 9' instead.

Makes perfect sense really. Everyone knows that 10 is better than 9 and if you can use 9 to save 10 you've come out on top. Even apple users know that. They're like flies to s*** with this kinda s***.
trog
Posted 12:05pm 03/10/14
You console noobs should try 'mode con' from the command line (e.g., mode con lines=100). Your mind will be BLOWN!
TicMan
Posted 12:08pm 03/10/14

I overheard a microsoft employee saying WinX will actually be their next release but because they didn't want to miss out on having a 'Win 10', with 10 being a nice round number and thus accounting for about 86% of the new users jumping over from apple, they're just skipping 'Win 9' instead.

Makes perfect sense really. Everyone knows that 10 is better than 9 and if you can use 9 to save 10 you've come out on top. Even apple users know that. They're like flies to s*** with this kinda s***.


Or the link I posted, which has a whole bunch of existing code out there doing OS version checks based on whether the OS version starts with "Windows 9" for 95 & 98. There'd be a high amount of broken programs if MS called this one Windows 9.
Hogfather
Posted 12:32pm 03/10/14
You console noobs should try 'mode con' from the command line (e.g., mode con lines=100). Your mind will be BLOWN!

Or you know, just be able to resize the goddamn WINDOW in the WINDOWS Operating System

/derage
Dazhel
Posted 02:25pm 03/10/14
You console noobs should try 'mode con' from the command line (e.g., mode con lines=100). Your mind will be BLOWN!


Yep, mode con cols=120

or get serious and use ConsoleZ:
https://github.com/cbucher/console
copuis
Posted 04:14pm 03/10/14
i thought win8 was great



till it was released,
nings
Posted 04:22pm 03/10/14
I agree W8 is the bee's knees it is turbo charged XP i can install most games unlike W7 eg Chaos Theory's star-force their is none of the driver problems and it has a copy\clone option so you can back up the entire HD to another HD.

I can't get Blood Money to install that might put some people off.


You went from XP to W8, I'm surprised you aren't waiting for W11.
ph33x
Posted 06:07pm 03/10/14
i thought win8 was great



till it was released,
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zaraq
Posted 04:09am 04/10/14
nings,nings,nings why is it you can never go out dining with out a bib? and just for the record i went from M.E to W8 i think M.E was unfairly criticized why Microsoft got rid of the spooky haunted desktop is a mystery, i am thinking it will make a come back pretty soon.

Also and apropos of nothing at all my first PC that i bought was an IBM from cashies which came with the latest tec, a floppy drive not the hard floppy the floppy floppy on which were installed swashbuckler frogga and space invaders and of course pong and all of this run with the up and down arrows and the space bar and a mouse you say not a mouse in sight throw to( "up and down arrows ? you were lucky, we had to use straws stuck in eye balls).
Roonee
Posted 11:13am 04/10/14
ffs that wasn't ME, that was vista. If it was ME you'd still be having problems with the millennium bug 12 years later, just like vista did.

wait....
zaraq
Posted 03:03pm 04/10/14
M.E was bad W 2000 was the best and Microsoft had the devil of a time trying to get people off W 2000 and onto XP hmmmm that sounds familiar, you're a millennium bug.
HerbalLizard
Posted 07:03pm 04/10/14
I am sitting in my Linux ivory tower watching with amusement.
Hogfather
Posted 07:05pm 04/10/14
Lol Linux (L)
HerbalLizard
Posted 07:08pm 04/10/14
title CAPS bad habit hoggy
Hogfather
Posted 07:14pm 04/10/14
Somewhat ironically was cos i posted from phone .... android phone.
HerbalLizard
Posted 07:43pm 04/10/14
I would of pegged you using one of those horrible nokia windows mobile things, no idea why
ph33x
Posted 07:49pm 04/10/14
I know but I'll get banned for hate speech.
BladeRunner
Posted 01:57pm 05/10/14
This looks promising. Now if they can sell it to me for $100 I would be into it.
ph33x
Posted 07:43pm 05/10/14
How do you make a normal computer account? Shares aren't working, computers aren't discovering, s*** ain't working. My first hurdle and already I've had enough of this chase the carrot crap.

Edit: Well I found that part through computer management. If you use the wizard to connect a microsoft account at the start, you are putting yourself in a "Hi MS, this is my first ever computer and I don't have any other computers or files" mode.

9/10 software, really good. Can't even get a single file between computers without resorting to dropbox/ftp/usb keys. Pings are working.
Hogfather
Posted 08:54pm 05/10/14
I didn't have any of those problems whatsoever, installed with local and domain accounts.

It is a technical alpha, maybe you should stay clear for a bit.
ph33x
Posted 12:38am 06/10/14
After 5 or so restarts for other reasons it appears to have gone good by itself.
Hogfather
Posted 02:20pm 06/10/14
After 5 or so restarts for other reasons it appears to have gone good by itself.

haha (y)

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ph33x
Posted 05:57pm 06/10/14
(y)

I did an install of it on a laptop last night. It didn't have this issue (could be related to VM vs no VM) and it installed everything for the laptop, no unknown devices.

There was 3 at the start and wifi didn't work, but the cable card was working. Gave it Internet, waited about 3 mins, screen flashes black and came back proper res and no issues since.

Besides my s***** LAN issue, I'm damn well f*****g impressed by this build. Here's hoping MS stay open to the communities wishes. Eg: Parse how people like the lay the start menu out, and change the default commercial build to reflect what the highest majority think is productive. Just the little things like that. Personally I had to add 'This PC, Network, and Downloads' to the Start Menu but ever since I've managed pretty well.

Biggest gripe is that fullscreen homo version of some apps. I'd rather it stay in desktop mode all the time.
Hogfather
Posted 06:49pm 06/10/14
Biggest gripe is that fullscreen homo version of some apps. I'd rather it stay in desktop mode all the time.

Haven't had a sexually ambiguous full screen app since I installed; got an example?
ph33x
Posted 06:57pm 06/10/14
"News"
"Mail"
if I recall, "Windows Update"
Hogfather
Posted 10:08pm 06/10/14
That's interesting, both of those are windows for me.

The application menu for the app should have a fullscreen toggle? Is your laptop a touch device?
ph33x
Posted 10:43pm 06/10/14
Nah it's an older Core Duo type. Radeon 3650 era.
Hogfather
Posted 11:02pm 06/10/14
When in full screen mode for Metro apps, if you move mouse to the top of the screen you should see the title bar
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Click on the ...
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Context menu.

At least for now, Modern apps seem to have a minimum height tho, 837 including title bar. Resolution might be a factor if its an old 1280x800 or something? Try second screen if you can too.
ph33x
Posted 12:58pm 07/10/14
Yeah worked that one out last night. No longer fullscreen.

New gripe. Mouse settings. How the f*** (yeah frustrated again) do you adjust pointer speed and/or acceleration now? Start + typing mouse brings up useless s***.

Edit: Seems if I Start, then type 'pointer' - It gives me other options which say s*** like "Change my pointer size" etc, but hidden at the bottom is the original "Mouse" shortcut from older systems. This doesn't appear during a search for mouse. However, now I've clicked and used it, it 'does' appear when I search for Mouse. I'll take that as a teething issue, but ultimately all these new configuration pages make it feel like we're going back 10 years in technical expertise.

I'm kinda surprised they don't flash your mouse pointer and say "Hi, this is your mouse pointer. Today we're going to adjust it, if that's ok with you? :)"
konstie
Posted 01:10pm 07/10/14
think I'm going to chuck this on the ol' nes pc for some s**** and giggles. does it run steam yet? ;)
Hogfather
Posted 02:04pm 07/10/14
think I'm going to chuck this on the ol' nes pc for some s**** and giggles. does it run steam yet? ;)

Yeh I was playing the new Mordor game on it the other day. Its just 8.1 mostly under the hood I think, all the drivers etc are pretty compatible.
Edit: Seems if I Start, then type 'pointer' - It gives me other options which say s*** like "Change my pointer size" etc, but hidden at the bottom is the original "Mouse" shortcut from older systems. This doesn't appear during a search for mouse. However, now I've clicked and used it, it 'does' appear when I search for Mouse. I'll take that as a teething issue, but ultimately all these new configuration pages make it feel like we're going back 10 years in technical expertise.

Yeh Windows Search changed a bit in 8 and 8.1, and Metro added dedicated pages for some of the simpler settings, so you'll get slightly different results. I've never used that shortcut on 8.1 but it DID show up at the bottom of the long list. Its probably there, but you may need to scroll down initially until it better learns what you want to find when you type that term in.

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Incoming gee up: stop being such a baby and learn how to find things a new way in a new OS, of which you just skipped like 2 versions? You sound like the old b**** at the accounts payable department with a screwed up sour lemon face because THINGS ARE NOT WHERE THEY WERE NOW! As someone who actively replaces old software with new rewrites as my core business I always find it fascinating how change management in IT is often the same no matter what the level of expertise, people do NOT like learning new ways to do old tasks, even if it is no more effort (or even less o.O)

:p
ph33x
Posted 02:58pm 07/10/14
Yeah, let's change the mouse so that you get options to change everything except the pointer speed (probably the most important adjustment on a mouse). Let's not provide a G(ay)UI version of pointer speed but let them change it's appearance first and moremost! Let's also hide the option people actually want at the bottom of a scrollable menu, and lastly, let's not put a scroll bar there to indicate that it is indeed scroll-able.

Change for the good is great, however I never realises that computers were so hard to use that we had to change the simple mouse control panel (one of the 'hello computer' controls you first play with) into 3 split up control panels.

How you can even defend such sloppiness makes me scoff.

*scoffing.
Hogfather
Posted 03:50pm 07/10/14
Scoff away, I'm not defending it, its just such a miniscule 'problem'.

Your f*****g settings are still there, they just weren't exactly where you expected them to be on the start menu search list. That list that automatically adjusted to your preferences when it worked out what you were looking for. Its obviously the end of the f*****g world, Windows 10 is a fail now, so sloppy.



BTW: I'm assuming that aside from the entire paragraphs of sooking on here about this critical issue that you are also providing feedback on your preview experience, right?
ph33x
Posted 05:15pm 07/10/14
Yeah bro copy pasta.
Cheez
Posted 09:44pm 12/10/14
I read today that the reason for the 9 skip is due to some code that runs in programs still to do with some command line in the way of windows.9* or something that was meant for old ones such as 95 and 98 but would still bug out if this version was called windows 9, as its not in the operating system code but in other 3rd party programs they changed the name to make it more compatible.
zaraq
Posted 11:17pm 12/10/14
I am not a programmer so i don't understand how calling an operating system 10 instead of 9 affects the program code itself and makes it more compatible,,must be dark magic.

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