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Post by Eorl @ 12:48pm 12/10/13 | 37 Comments
AusGamers is proud to announce our new Server Rentals service! This exciting new addition to AusGamers is being released just in time to provide the highest quality servers for Battlefield 4.

You will be happy to know we have Australia's most experienced game server team, and everyone that works here is a hardcore gamer, so we understand what you want from your dedicated servers. When we go home at night we'll be playing on the servers you rent from us, so they have to be the best servers in Australia.

Because AusGamers has always been about our love for Australian gamers, we are offering Battlefield 4 servers for $1 per slot. Not "from" $1 per slot - there are no extras for "debranding", no charges for public or private, just the lowest price we can do for every server. Highest quality, lowest price, most experienced and most humble: what's not to love?

We aren't quite ready to take pre-orders; we are in the final stages of integrating our new server rentals systems into the AusGamers site. We don't want you to go off and pre-order from someone else: you'd pay more for lower quality, and we'd hate that. If you want to know immediately when pre-orders are ready to go, or just if you have any questions, please visit our new server rentals information page.

Feel free to ask general questions in the comments or using our contact page, look for "Malthius" to reply. Malth is the newest member of the AusGamers team (though I'm sure you've all seen him around before) and he'll be handling all your server rental questions.



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Latest Comments
Lithium
Posted 01:21pm 12/10/13
if you do csgo servers i'll probs swap mine over
Hogfather
Posted 01:27pm 12/10/13
I'd probably buy a minecraft server off you guys, have a few people keen to give one a bash.
carson
Posted 01:50pm 12/10/13
Yeah. +1 for minecraft for me too. Especially one I could mod, and doubly so if you have a sweet pricing structure like the BF4 ones.
ph33x
Posted 02:14pm 12/10/13
Should have an AusGamers minecraft server.
Hogfather
Posted 02:30pm 12/10/13
Should have an AusGamers minecraft server.

We've had a couple I think
Malthius
Posted 02:41pm 12/10/13
We are planning on supporting Minecraft. It won't be at launch - we need to focus on getting BF4 exactly right, but we've had some test Minecraft servers running (including a beast of a server for Eorl, he could tell you the mod package) and there is no reason why we can't handle Minecraft. The pricing will be competitive.

We'll have CS:GO soon after launch, but with a few restrictions at the start. If you hit the contact form I can let you know when its ready and what the restrictions are. As we develop the service further, we'll have complete CS:GO support.
TicMan
Posted 04:14pm 12/10/13
What's a slot mean?
Malthius
Posted 05:47pm 12/10/13
Dedicated server rentals are done (mostly, minecraft is a noteable exception) by "slots". This is generally "maximum players". A 64 slot BF3 server allows a maximum of 64 players to connect at any time. A 16 slot server only allows 16 players maximum. So if you want to rent a server for 32v32 games, it is 64 slots, which is $64 per month. 8v8 is 16 slots, so $16 per month.
TicMan
Posted 06:20pm 12/10/13
So if I wanted to run a 64vs64 it's $128/month - what's the advantage of doing that over renting a VPS from Mammoth? Is there specific server spec requirements, Origin/EA requirements, etc?
Adsa
Posted 08:25pm 12/10/13
I have a question for you Malthius.

Will these servers be unmetered for Bigpond Customers?
ph33x
Posted 11:48pm 12/10/13
So if I wanted to run a 64vs64 it's $128/month - what's the advantage of doing that over renting a VPS from Mammoth? Is there specific server spec requirements, Origin/EA requirements, etc?

In the case of BF4, you won't be able to run one from a VPS. Just like now you can't run a ranked server from home, even for a few mates. That's a case of licensing mainly.
Malthius
Posted 12:50pm 13/10/13
TicMan: a few issues present themselves:

1: Many/All VPS providers (including Mammoth Networks) do not permit game servers. They are targets for denial of service attacks, which providers that offer budget / mid range VPS pricing can't afford denial of service mitigation / prevention systems. High end VPS providers would accept game servers, but the pricing would be un-economic compared to what a GSP (game service provider) can offer.

2: Game servers tend to use CPU and RAM in a way that is quite different from most other online services, and some budget/mid VPS systems aren't designed around prolonged very high CPU demands. Again, you could get someone to quote on that, but I'd expect it'd be prohibitively expensive.

3: Since Battlefield 2, the dedicated server software has only been available to "Ranked Server Providers". For BF4, there are only (IIRC) 11 companies world wide that qualified for the RSP program, so you would simply not be able to get access to the software to run. If you did, EA has a black ops team on call 24/7 to hunt down and destroy anyone that starts a non-authorised server. (The security is honestly so tight that it is non-trivial for us to keep authorised servers online.)

However, for something like MineCraft or CS:GO, or indeed any of the games with a freely available dedicated server package, you can run them yourself if you want. WIth those games, you are paying for our professional data centre (one of the best connected in Australia) and my time to swear at the server so you don't have to. Game devs these days don't polish the sever software anywhere near as much as the game client, or even the server software from a few years ago, so its often just not worth the bother compared to a pretty small monthly cost to know your server will always be online, up to date and lag free.
TicMan
Posted 05:41pm 13/10/13
Nope perfect answer, I knew all after a quick google but didn't see it listed as a "Why rent with us?" reason on the information page!
Trauma
Posted 06:16pm 13/10/13
Arma 3? DayZ when it's around?
BladeRunner
Posted 07:26pm 13/10/13
Anyone know the best and/or cheapest place to get BF4?
maRtz
Posted 07:34pm 13/10/13
So if I wanted to run a 64vs64 it's $128/month


BF4 supports 64 vs 64?!?!?!?
TicMan
Posted 08:05pm 13/10/13
Err my bad, was on the sauce last night and meant 32v32
ph33x
Posted 09:19am 14/10/13
Anyone know the best and/or cheapest place to get BF4?

AusGamers.
Malthius
Posted 10:42am 14/10/13
Arma 3? DayZ when it's around?

I've got support for ArmA 3 in progress. I'm pretty certain we wouldn't be able to do it for $1 per slot though, but I'm sure you aren't surprised - the thing is a resource hog of the highest order.

DayZ is definitely something we'll do; there are a few people in the office who were big DayZ fans. Same comment though: it probably won't be cheap.
Trauma
Posted 02:20pm 14/10/13
Yea that's what I expected, wouldn't be so sure about DayZ being the same sort of hog though, they are changing how it sends game world data to the player, rather than getting all info from across the entire map you only get whats in your area, your bubble. That may help to reduce the load a bit, will have to wait and see.

And to re iterate Adsa's question, will these servers be unmetered for Bigpond users?
Dward
Posted 08:29am 15/10/13
Does commander and/or spectator slots count in the price for BF4?
ph33x
Posted 09:14am 15/10/13
Good question, and for those who weren't aware:

Servers can handle up to 64 regular players and up to 70 total players.

A 70-slot server with 64 regular players, 4 spectators, and 2 commanders.
A 68-slot server with 64 regular players and 4 spectators, but commander mode disabled.
A 64-slot server with only regular players.
A 62-slot server with 32 regular players and 30 spectators.


Malth will have to answer your question though. Just adding info on the side.
Malthius
Posted 11:07am 15/10/13
Dward: basically what ph33x said, though I haven't checked on the max spectators.

Any connected player (not queued players) take a slot, so we expect that most customers will at least want 4 extra slots: 2 for commanders and 2 for spectators. Basically, the customers who wanted 64 slots in BF3 will want 70 slots in BF4, the customers who wanted 32 slots in BF3 will want 36-38 slots in BF4.

There are no price differences for slots for different purposes.
DvNT
Posted 11:45pm 16/10/13
umm how will this service (BF4) be better service than hypernia? I am happy to support ausgamer and I see its more than half the price of hypernia so that's cool, but mammoth.net have a pissant connection into and out of their data centre, and I'm fairly sure that when I've played on their servers in BF3 it was a lag fest.. I've played on lots of hypernia servers and "generally" they have been the preferred hosts for me. Don't get me wrong at $1.95/slot + a $15 / monthly fee hypernia is expensive as hell, but at least perhaps you get what you pay for - a playable server...
Jim
Posted 11:53pm 16/10/13
mammoth.net have a pissant connection into and out of their data centre


not sure where you're getting that information from, there's redundant gbit links dedicated to these game servers
DvNT
Posted 12:02am 17/10/13
"not sure where you're getting that information from, there's redundant gbit links dedicated to these game servers"

I'll help you shall I? I got it from the horse's mouth...

"Our current connection is 200mbit incoming (from the internet to our facility) and 200mbit outgoing (from our facility to the internet)."

http://www.mammoth.net.au/hosting/datacentre

To me 200mbit is pissant... and IMHO explains the suboptimal experience when trying to have a BF3 session their servers
Jim
Posted 12:09am 17/10/13
that's not the network these game servers are hosted on though. they're hosted on another seperate, dedicated network connected by redundant gbit links

if you've had any lag issues playing on our servers it was most likely due to link saturation during a dns amplification attack, which BF servers around the globe are suffering to
DvNT
Posted 12:12am 17/10/13
Thanks Jim - I just looked for the info and found it... I guess I'll just have to take your word for it and try it for a few months and see. I appreciate the first month or two may be painful but that will be DICE etc :) Be sure Ill attempt to let you know if it doesn't perform as expected!
Jim
Posted 12:22am 17/10/13
no worries, hopefully the ddos gods are kind and don't sour your experience too much. we're devoting a substantial amount of time and effort working with the upstream provider and their denial of service cleaning team, but due to the nature of networking there's only so much you can do preemptively, the rest is reactionary unfortunately
ph33x
Posted 09:22am 17/10/13
What was the name of the server you played on for BF3, DvNT? Did it have Mammoth Media in the name?

Out of interest, what about the other 2 providers, GameArena and GameServers? What did you think of them.? I know GA is gone now, but did you use their servers?
Malthius
Posted 10:24am 17/10/13
umm how will this service (BF4) be better service than hypernia? I am happy to support ausgamer and I see its more than half the price of hypernia so that's cool, but mammoth.net have a pissant connection into and out of their data centre, and I'm fairly sure that when I've played on their servers in BF3 it was a lag fest.. I've played on lots of hypernia servers and "generally" they have been the preferred hosts for me. Don't get me wrong at $1.95/slot + a $15 / monthly fee hypernia is expensive as hell, but at least perhaps you get what you pay for - a playable server...


To add to what Jim said:

Jim would beat me senseless if I tried to host a single game server on the Mammoth Networks service. That isn't what that datacentre is currently designed for, and he'd never accept the risk of running game servers alongside our corporate customer's VPS services.

I've had feedback from customers with servers on Hypernia, GameServers and what will now be AusGamers, and while all three suffer from DDOS attacks, our network seems to be the most resilient and (as Jim said) we are working to improve that all the time.
DvNT
Posted 10:27pm 17/10/13
I don't recall the server names ph33x..its a long time ago. just when bf3 came out. GayArena probably used mammoth servers :) and recently i.e. last year :) they seemed fine to me... when initially they were terribad! I have used Hypernia and yes they have been smashed by ddos too but they were using iinet at the time and I found them very good. Who knows, I'm with telslut and I would have though bigpong servers would have been great - they were not until recent history (as mentioned before)
Jim
Posted 10:47pm 17/10/13
for the record, we've managed the gamearena network and servers since around 2001 and the entire time, bigpond spared no expense on the network and hardware. multiple dedicated gbit links, cisco, juniper, alteon and f5 networking/firewalling equipment and hp rack and blade servers and hp san storage. pretty much anything we made recommendations for, they provided with no fuss.
ph33x
Posted 09:30am 18/10/13
Also, with the size of the dd0s attacks getting around using dns amp, it's pretty hard to mitigate it. Just earlier this year there was an attack rated at 300gbps.
imminentsoldier
Posted 02:39pm 25/10/13
Malthius
Posted 10:24am 17/10/13



umm how will this service (BF4) be better service than hypernia? I am happy to support ausgamer and I see its more than half the price of hypernia so that's cool, but mammoth.net have a pissant connection into and out of their data centre, and I'm fairly sure that when I've played on their servers in BF3 it was a lag fest.. I've played on lots of hypernia servers and "generally" they have been the preferred hosts for me. Don't get me wrong at $1.95/slot + a $15 / monthly fee hypernia is expensive as hell, but at least perhaps you get what you pay for - a playable server...


Since GA went down I have ben using hypernia and as for quality, I don't see it. servers have crashed atleast once a day during peek and sometimes twice. for there price, the quality isn't there.
imminentsoldier
Posted 03:30pm 25/10/13
where can we find the server config docs.
fubar1971
Posted 03:39pm 25/10/13
Why isn't paypal a payment option.
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