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Post by Eorl @ 02:48pm 12/01/12 | 50 Comments
The genre known as MOBA, or Multiplayer Online Battle Arena, has been picking up a lot of new games since it first arose with DOTA, a custom map for Blizzard's Warcraft 3 RTS. In MOBA games, players are on opposing sides and fight it out alongside AI to destroy each others towers and eventually get to either sides "core" which, once destroyed, wins the game.

With such large titles as Heroes of Newerth (which has just gone free-to-play recently), League of Legends and Valve's own DOTA 2, it's no wonder Razer have crated a new mouse that is outfitted specifically for MOBA gameplay. The Razer Naga Hex packs a punch, with 6 customisable buttons underneath the thumb, which can be easily mapped to spells, abilities, and items in-game.


The Razer Naga Hex is now available for pre-order at Razer's website over here, with a price tag of $129.95.

Drop us a line in the comments on your experiences with any Razer's products.



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Latest Comments
DM
Posted 03:17pm 12/1/12
Does anyone use these types of mice for MMO games? I could see it being useful for button heavy games, like star wars for example but I don't like the idea of relying on hardware to help me play the game.
skythra
Posted 03:36pm 12/1/12
DM maybe you shouldn't be using keyboard and mouse at all then.



Plenty of mice on the market with retarded numbers of buttons..
Deviouz
Posted 03:59pm 12/1/12
I use the naga currently to play WoW, and find the buttons too small and weird end up only using 5 of them, so I would actually get this one, looks like a better layout
WirlWind
Posted 05:06pm 12/1/12
Deviouz, have a look at the steelseries wow cataclysm mouse.

Absolutely MUST HAVE if you've got donkey-kong style hands like me.

And DM, they're worth getting. It's no different than if you'd keybound all your skills to keys on your keyboard.
twenty1
Posted 05:07pm 12/1/12
Thats exactly what i was thinking Deviouz. I bought the naga about 5 months ago and used it for maybe 2 days. I just couldn't get used to the tiny buttons which also got in the way of picking the mouse up to move it, and the size of the mouse was also a problem, it felt to small in my hand. I also ran into the issue of only really using 4-5 of the buttons so this moba naga could be ok for me.
Really though all i want is an intelllimouse v3 with maybe 2 extra thumb buttons.
Deviouz
Posted 05:26pm 12/1/12
yeah i do have 'dem donkey kong hands! lol I might try that steelseries one, a few ppl have said its good now. I found I was using the naga on farmed boss fights and going back tot he lechisis for progression, because I would often move the mouse while trying to press buttons. I need hand slimming surgery
Outlaw
Posted 05:37pm 12/1/12
needs moar buttons
carson
Posted 06:13pm 12/1/12
Logitech g700 is all a gamer needs.
Whoop
Posted 07:35pm 12/1/12
How the f*** do you hold it? I've got some logitech mouse with 4 buttons around the thumb area and I constantly find myself accidentally hitting one of them when I pick the mouse up to move it during a firefight.
BladeRunner
Posted 08:35pm 12/1/12
I would not mind a new mouse, I am not keen on that Razer one, more buttons are good. The steelseries mouse seems nice, too bad its WoW branded :(

I am currently using a G500 and its great but more buttons would be handy. Need more time to think it over.
Eorl
Posted 08:42pm 12/1/12
My mate who doesn't even play WoW bought the Steelseries mouse, due to his massive hands more or less. I tried it, and it's super clunky, and waaaay to many buttons. I enjoy my CoolerMaster Sentinel Advance, does the job well, though it's starting to die on me after 2 years.
DM
Posted 08:44pm 12/1/12
I'm going to look into these types of mice. Any recommendations? I got large hands if that matter so I don't want a mouse designed for a japanese midget. Every time i've bought a razer product it's been s*** and broke within a few weeks so i'm not giving them my money ever again. Logitech g700 looks real small.
Eorl
Posted 08:49pm 12/1/12
Everlong
Posted 09:30pm 12/1/12
Had an Imperator, didn't like the feel of it and gave it to a mate, then it died, got replaced under warranty and that one died too. Also had a Lycosa keyboard that was faulty out of the box. Now use SteelSeries stuff and haven't had a problem.
Everlong
Posted 09:33pm 12/1/12
Oh and I agree with twenty1, an intellimouse explorer 3.0 with todays tech and a few more buttons would be perfect for me. Still have mine and goes like a champ, but the dpi just isn't up to speed now that I have a newer mouse.
darkjedi
Posted 09:52pm 12/1/12
Dear Razor,

Kindly explain why you also enjoy reaming your Australian customers with regional pricing?




DM
Posted 09:55pm 12/1/12
Because mice pads are hard to ship around the world, don't you know anything?

I think a lot of my trouble with buttons is that i'm a WSAD guy. I'm thinking if I moved over to TGFH it would give me so much more room to mess around with with more buttons. May try it when SWTOR comes back up tonight and see how it goes.
Murderer
Posted 10:31pm 12/1/12
thought you had a keyboard for all of your buttons!

2 button / scroll 4 lyf!
Khel
Posted 10:41pm 12/1/12
I don't really use the extra buttons on my mouse for anything important like skills or abilities, I use them for convinience type stuff, like autorun, or mounting up, or push to talk for vent. Prefer to use all the important stuff through the keyboard
WirlWind
Posted 12:34am 13/1/12
DM, my afore mentioned steelseries cataclysm mouse.

If you palm your mouse like I do (though in FPS's, I lift my hand for faster flicking) , you can easily get around the thumb buttons when you lift once you get used to it (I use the mouse for FPS's just fine and have no issues in wow pvp).

My biggest peeves with it are:

A) Price. It was pretty OP price-wise, but still worth it imo.
B) The chrome paint on some of the top buttons is coming off a little (Although I use my mouse alot more than the average bear)
C) When you don't have the mouse in "ingame mode" in wow, using the thumb buttons can cause lag, though I think that was more me f*****g something up since I was able to use it in wow fine before I had to reinstall Windows etc.

The drivers / mouse app are also easy to use and light weight, the thumb buttons can be re-macro'd to do pretty much anything you want and you can even set macro delays and stuff to the buttons (mine are just ctrl 4 to 9 or so).

And Bladerunner, what's so bad with the wow branding on it? It's still a solid mouse, looks cool with the lights and has a ton of features.
Pinky
Posted 12:56am 13/1/12
I can't believe there is a genre called "MOBA" - is that just ridiculous? What you described is just what RTS is anyway.

On the mouse, I wouldn't buy one. MS Intellimouse all the way for me. Two buttons and a wheel is all I need (plus back/forward buttons can be handy but are not essential).

Haha, these guys are genius at marketing: http://steelseries.com/products/mice/steelseries-kinzu-v2-pro-edition

You read that!? GAMING GRADE TEFLON, guise.
DM
Posted 01:19am 13/1/12
I heard that wow mouse is very s*** quality and lightweight. What say you wirlwind? True or fales? Also pinky that isn't as bad as the call of duty MW3 yellow glasses I saw in JB hifi last night for like $60 or 80. lol @ the claim they make you blink less, because you know blinking is seriously the difference between pro gaming and some noob on a 360 in his home at 4am eating chips.
Mordecai
Posted 01:46am 13/1/12
I would not mind a new mouse, I am not keen on that Razer one, more buttons are good. The steelseries mouse seems nice, too bad its WoW branded :(

I am currently using a G500 and its great but more buttons would be handy. Need more time to think it over.

http://www.razerzone.com/swtor/mouse

Star Wars TOR branded mouse. Stupidly priced though.

$139.99 USD
$229.95 AUD

LOL
DM
Posted 01:52am 13/1/12
Yeah star wars keyboard they have is $350. Get f***ed razer you gouging c****.
Mordecai
Posted 01:57am 13/1/12
Order it from Amazon and get the US price with free shipping.
Jayman
Posted 01:59am 13/1/12
Looking to replace my M9 which is cutting out every now and then and making the usb "ding dong" sound a couple of times a day. Ideally want to spend less than 100 and have it stand up the the trashing the right click is going to get when diablo 3 is released :). I don't like that crap on the some of the new logitech mice where you lose the middle click and it changes to smooth scroll gayness either.
Raider
Posted 02:36am 13/1/12
why the f*** would u buy a gimmick piece of hardware for a genre / game, unless you got the basics / advanced s*** the little bit of hardware isn't going to make you any better.
Khel
Posted 03:45am 13/1/12
Wow, that star wars mouse has an insane number of buttons. I could see myself constantly pressing the wrong button if I had something bound to every one of those buttons on the side.
BladeRunner
Posted 08:48am 13/1/12
Indeed, The SWTOR branded stuff is over priced and looks crap, Needs less grey/silver and more black. I dislike WoW and I don't want to be remind of how much I dislike it when I use a mouse lol. The only thing I can see as an upgrade for me would be this MOBA mouse or the G700, Would be awesome if the G700 came in a corded version.
WirlWind
Posted 10:09pm 14/1/12
Sorry for the late reply, DM.

I think you're thinking of the old wow mouse. That one had horrible reviews almost across the board for being s***** quality.

This is the cataclysm version and it's much improved (It's the one with the 5 separate thumb buttons rather than that weird directional button thingy).

Def a solid mouse. It's heavier than an MX518, but not to the point where it's unbearable or causes mouse hand fatigue.


And pinky, it's MOBA for a reason. It's not RTS in the sense that you only have 1 unit to control and you don't really build anything.

It came from the RTS genre though, thanks to Dota from Warcraft 3.
Eorl
Posted 11:00pm 14/1/12
Pinky, the MOBA genre is separate from the RTS due to it not sharing all RTS mechanics. You don't control towers, nor do you control grunts/npcs. It's also a net genre for games like Hon, Lol etc.
Reality
Posted 11:13pm 14/1/12
If you have a functioning left hand and some degree of dexterity, I can't imagine how you could justify a purchase like this. you're only controlling a single unit!? it's no wonder that legitimately difficult games have died out.
Raider
Posted 12:12am 15/1/12
MOBA is not even close to RTS, you control 1 unit... there's no macro very little micro.. and the strategy is in the picks itself most of the time and that's about it.
Pharcyde
Posted 12:42am 15/1/12
I can't believe there is a genre called "MOBA" - is that just ridiculous? What you described is just what RTS is anyway.


What the s***ting f***? Are you high?
WirlWind
Posted 12:44am 15/1/12
MOBA is not even close to RTS, you control 1 unit... there's no macro very little micro.. and the strategy is in the picks itself most of the time and that's about it.


Actually, while there is the whole strat of the picks, there's more involved like situational awareness, reflexes, knowing the right time to strike, teamwork, coordination, communication and stuff like that.
Raider
Posted 12:49am 15/1/12
Actually, while there is the whole strat of the picks, there's more involved like situational awareness, reflexes, knowing the right time to strike, teamwork, coordination, communication and stuff like that.


Pretty much the same as any game out there, so that statement basically means every game is an RTS.

RTS = Micro / Macro and build orders which actually falls under macro and is always at the competitive level a solo game.
Pinky
Posted 12:50am 15/1/12
Yeah righto, point taken. Clearly I don't know s*** about the genre. Probably because I don't play it. I enjoy RTS as a single player game, working through levels - but multiplayer seems to just be all about actions per minute and it's a bit of a drainer lately.
Raider
Posted 12:53am 15/1/12
Honestly out of all the games i've played at a competitive level, RTS is the most demanding and draining.. the amount of tasks you need to keep track of at any one time for sometimes periods of up to 1hr depending on the map of the game is just f*****g hardcore.
WirlWind
Posted 01:09am 15/1/12
Pretty much the same as any game out there, so that statement basically means every game is an RTS.

RTS = Micro / Macro and build orders which actually falls under macro and is always at the competitive level a solo game.


Ahh, that was my bad, didn't get what you meant.

Thought you were one of those "meh, MOBA's are s*** compared to RTS master race!" contrarian trolls or something XD

I read it as if you were saying that picking your heroes was the only real part of the game that made a difference.
Gesthemene
Posted 01:37am 15/1/12
I used to use a G5 until the cord frayed. Then I replaced it with the Logitech Performance M950. I love this mouse. It's f*****g awesome. I bought a second one about a month later to use in the office because it really is the best mouse I've ever used. Took me about 5 minutes to get used to the shape and has been perfect ever since.
skythra
Posted 01:38am 15/1/12
I can't believe there is a genre called "MOBA" - is that just ridiculous?

Yes it used to be called Aeon Of Strife aka AOS.

Now it's called moba.

Although that's not your point, but what you've said on the rest of your post was horribly wrong.

Strategy games require management of resources, troops and space.

In moba, it's the same as counterstrike or an PVP rpg, you have only a single 'character' who gets equipment and kills other players using his skills, like his gun or his spell.
BladeRunner
Posted 03:12am 15/1/12
Would be good if there was a good RTS coming out besides Bioware's Generals 2.

I have StarCraft but its too competitive and knife-edge for me, I do like watching games of pros though. I was watching Huskey on youtube.
Mordecai
Posted 02:00pm 15/1/12
BladeRunner did you try the Dawn of War games? Solid single player games and quite fun.
WirlWind
Posted 04:42pm 15/1/12
I'll second mordecai on that, they can be quite fun. There's alot less complexity due to you controlling squads instead of single units though.

And the 2nd is really fun, but that's alot less about building bases and more about squad on squad from what I played of it.
Eorl
Posted 05:18pm 15/1/12
And the usual Company of Heroes. Greatest RTS series I've ever played.
DeadlyDav0
Posted 05:20pm 15/1/12
My mate got the raza mouse with like 12 or 15 buttons on the side (naga IIRC???) and never really used them all until that star wars MMO. He now says its f*****g awesome.

Ive got my logitech G9 and have smashed the two thumb buttons to the point where they dont register properly (over years of abuse).

Can totally understand the need for buttons in HON. Movement, spells and items - maybe im just bad but with certain combos (pyro - portal key, hellflower/sheepstick, stun, wave, ulti), i find spamming them all on keyboard tough and would love more mouse buttons.
WirlWind
Posted 11:54pm 15/1/12
My mate got the raza mouse with like 12 or 15 buttons on the side (naga IIRC???) and never really used them all until that star wars MMO. He now says its f*****g awesome.


From what I've heard, the question you should be asking with the naga is "how small are my hands?"

The naga is quite small, I remember hearing a review from a guy who was about 6ft 3 (Around 192cm) saying he could only reach the first 2 rows of buttons on the naga because of his large hands.

That's the biggest thing that turned me off that mouse, otherwise I probably woulda gotten that one instead of the cataclysm mouse.

As for the thumb buttons in hon / etc, I'm not so sure it would work so well. One of the issues would be if you're doing "precision aiming" (aka anything that's not an MMO) then pushing the thumb buttons may cause a bit of inaccuracy due to the thumb pushing the mouse sideways. Can be a big deal if you're running at a high DPI / sensitivity.
DeadlyDav0
Posted 12:53am 16/1/12
As for the thumb buttons in hon / etc, I'm not so sure it would work so well. One of the issues would be if you're doing "precision aiming" (aka anything that's not an MMO) then pushing the thumb buttons may cause a bit of inaccuracy due to the thumb pushing the mouse sideways. Can be a big deal if you're running at a high DPI / sensitivity.

I think it depends on sensitivity. The thumb buttons on my G9 only required a light tough initially and didnt f*** my aim even in precision things like FPS. Now they are tough as and i rarely even use them because of the effort required to push them throws off aim which can make a difference when gaming. I also tried a some mouse (cyborg RAT maybe) that had side buttons on the right side for ring finger to push and that was completely useless.

From what I've heard, the question you should be asking with the naga is "how small are my hands?"

The naga is quite small, I remember hearing a review from a guy who was about 6ft 3 (Around 192cm) saying he could only reach the first 2 rows of buttons on the naga because of his large hands.

Im 185cm and have pretty big hands but for some reason i love my small and light G9 even though half my hand doesnt cover the mouse. I tried the Naga at one stage and cant recall an issue with the buttons but couldnt drag myself away from the G9 so i sold it to my friend who has it now (he is much smaller though). IMO its more about taking the time to adjust to the configuration of the mouse which i assume would take weeks and maybe something the reviewer didnt take the time to investigate (i know i didnt give the naga more than a day or two testing but that was simply because i preferred the size, shape, weight etc of the G9, not that i disliked the buttons on the naga).
Raider
Posted 01:31am 16/1/12
Thought you were one of those "meh, MOBA's are s*** compared to RTS master race!" contrarian trolls or something XD


Oh no doubt MOBAs are far far easier then RTS but that's a fact not an opinion.. you control 1 unit and that's it.. sure there's teamwork but that has nothing to do with individual skill in the game.
WirlWind
Posted 03:37pm 16/1/12
IMO its more about taking the time to adjust to the configuration of the mouse which i assume would take weeks and maybe something the reviewer didnt take the time to investigate (i know i didnt give the naga more than a day or two testing but that was simply because i preferred the size, shape, weight etc of the G9, not that i disliked the buttons on the naga).


I guess it would depend on how you hold the mouse too. In stuff that doesn't take lots of fast mouse movements, I palm my mouse and it rests comfortably, which is a must because usually I play those types of games for a few hours and if I'm not palming, my wrist gets fatigued.

With shooters, I lift my hand and and I wouldn't be able to hit all the mouse buttons with my thumb easily if that were the case. I think that's more why you and the reviewer had such different times with it.

And my hands (I'm also about 192cm) are freaking huge! I can't stand small mice because it feels like using one of those tiny-ass laptop mice and it really throws me off lol.

[quote]I think it depends on sensitivity. The thumb buttons on my G9 only required a light tough initially and didnt f*** my aim even in precision things like FPS. Now they are tough as and i rarely even use them because of the effort required to push them throws off aim which can make a difference when gaming. I also tried a some mouse (cyborg RAT maybe) that had side buttons on the right side for ring finger to push and that was completely useless. [/quote]

Yeah, it would depend on how hard you have to push, although sometimes, just the way my hand positions itself to hit certain buttons on my mouse throws off the smoothness of my wrist. Would also depend on if you flick with your wrist or your fingers too, I guess.

I think going off the positions of the extra buttons on this mouse, something similar may happen and it could cause issues if you have to suddenly flick over half the screen or something while pushing certain buttons.

I never use my thumb buttons in fps's because of this, though it's nice to know they're there incase I ever lose a finger on my keyboard hand or something. I know quite alot of people use these mice as a gaming aide after losing digits / hands.
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