Post by Eorl @ 02:48pm 12/01/12 | 50 Comments
The genre known as MOBA, or Multiplayer Online Battle Arena, has been picking up a lot of new games since it first arose with DOTA, a custom map for Blizzard's Warcraft 3 RTS. In MOBA games, players are on opposing sides and fight it out alongside AI to destroy each others towers and eventually get to either sides "core" which, once destroyed, wins the game.
With such large titles as Heroes of Newerth (which has just gone free-to-play recently), League of Legends and Valve's own DOTA 2, it's no wonder Razer have crated a new mouse that is outfitted specifically for MOBA gameplay. The Razer Naga Hex packs a punch, with 6 customisable buttons underneath the thumb, which can be easily mapped to spells, abilities, and items in-game.
The Razer Naga Hex is now available for pre-order at Razer's website over here, with a price tag of $129.95.
Drop us a line in the comments on your experiences with any Razer's products.
With such large titles as Heroes of Newerth (which has just gone free-to-play recently), League of Legends and Valve's own DOTA 2, it's no wonder Razer have crated a new mouse that is outfitted specifically for MOBA gameplay. The Razer Naga Hex packs a punch, with 6 customisable buttons underneath the thumb, which can be easily mapped to spells, abilities, and items in-game.
The Razer Naga Hex is now available for pre-order at Razer's website over here, with a price tag of $129.95.
Drop us a line in the comments on your experiences with any Razer's products.
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Posted 03:17pm 12/1/12
Posted 03:36pm 12/1/12
Plenty of mice on the market with retarded numbers of buttons..
Posted 03:59pm 12/1/12
Posted 05:06pm 12/1/12
Absolutely MUST HAVE if you've got donkey-kong style hands like me.
And DM, they're worth getting. It's no different than if you'd keybound all your skills to keys on your keyboard.
Posted 05:07pm 12/1/12
Really though all i want is an intelllimouse v3 with maybe 2 extra thumb buttons.
Posted 05:26pm 12/1/12
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Posted 06:13pm 12/1/12
Posted 07:35pm 12/1/12
Posted 08:35pm 12/1/12
I am currently using a G500 and its great but more buttons would be handy. Need more time to think it over.
Posted 08:42pm 12/1/12
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Posted 08:49pm 12/1/12
Posted 09:30pm 12/1/12
Posted 09:33pm 12/1/12
Posted 09:52pm 12/1/12
Kindly explain why you also enjoy reaming your Australian customers with regional pricing?
Posted 09:55pm 12/1/12
I think a lot of my trouble with buttons is that i'm a WSAD guy. I'm thinking if I moved over to TGFH it would give me so much more room to mess around with with more buttons. May try it when SWTOR comes back up tonight and see how it goes.
Posted 10:31pm 12/1/12
2 button / scroll 4 lyf!
Posted 10:41pm 12/1/12
Posted 12:34am 13/1/12
If you palm your mouse like I do (though in FPS's, I lift my hand for faster flicking) , you can easily get around the thumb buttons when you lift once you get used to it (I use the mouse for FPS's just fine and have no issues in wow pvp).
My biggest peeves with it are:
A) Price. It was pretty OP price-wise, but still worth it imo.
B) The chrome paint on some of the top buttons is coming off a little (Although I use my mouse alot more than the average bear)
C) When you don't have the mouse in "ingame mode" in wow, using the thumb buttons can cause lag, though I think that was more me f*****g something up since I was able to use it in wow fine before I had to reinstall Windows etc.
The drivers / mouse app are also easy to use and light weight, the thumb buttons can be re-macro'd to do pretty much anything you want and you can even set macro delays and stuff to the buttons (mine are just ctrl 4 to 9 or so).
And Bladerunner, what's so bad with the wow branding on it? It's still a solid mouse, looks cool with the lights and has a ton of features.
Posted 12:56am 13/1/12
On the mouse, I wouldn't buy one. MS Intellimouse all the way for me. Two buttons and a wheel is all I need (plus back/forward buttons can be handy but are not essential).
Haha, these guys are genius at marketing: http://steelseries.com/products/mice/steelseries-kinzu-v2-pro-edition
You read that!? GAMING GRADE TEFLON, guise.
Posted 01:19am 13/1/12
Posted 01:46am 13/1/12
http://www.razerzone.com/swtor/mouse
Star Wars TOR branded mouse. Stupidly priced though.
$139.99 USD
$229.95 AUD
LOL
Posted 01:52am 13/1/12
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Posted 10:09pm 14/1/12
I think you're thinking of the old wow mouse. That one had horrible reviews almost across the board for being s***** quality.
This is the cataclysm version and it's much improved (It's the one with the 5 separate thumb buttons rather than that weird directional button thingy).
Def a solid mouse. It's heavier than an MX518, but not to the point where it's unbearable or causes mouse hand fatigue.
And pinky, it's MOBA for a reason. It's not RTS in the sense that you only have 1 unit to control and you don't really build anything.
It came from the RTS genre though, thanks to Dota from Warcraft 3.
Posted 11:00pm 14/1/12
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Posted 12:12am 15/1/12
Posted 12:42am 15/1/12
What the s***ting f***? Are you high?
Posted 12:44am 15/1/12
Actually, while there is the whole strat of the picks, there's more involved like situational awareness, reflexes, knowing the right time to strike, teamwork, coordination, communication and stuff like that.
Posted 12:49am 15/1/12
Pretty much the same as any game out there, so that statement basically means every game is an RTS.
RTS = Micro / Macro and build orders which actually falls under macro and is always at the competitive level a solo game.
Posted 12:50am 15/1/12
Posted 12:53am 15/1/12
Posted 01:09am 15/1/12
Ahh, that was my bad, didn't get what you meant.
Thought you were one of those "meh, MOBA's are s*** compared to RTS master race!" contrarian trolls or something XD
I read it as if you were saying that picking your heroes was the only real part of the game that made a difference.
Posted 01:37am 15/1/12
Posted 01:38am 15/1/12
Yes it used to be called Aeon Of Strife aka AOS.
Now it's called moba.
Although that's not your point, but what you've said on the rest of your post was horribly wrong.
Strategy games require management of resources, troops and space.
In moba, it's the same as counterstrike or an PVP rpg, you have only a single 'character' who gets equipment and kills other players using his skills, like his gun or his spell.
Posted 03:12am 15/1/12
I have StarCraft but its too competitive and knife-edge for me, I do like watching games of pros though. I was watching Huskey on youtube.
Posted 02:00pm 15/1/12
Posted 04:42pm 15/1/12
And the 2nd is really fun, but that's alot less about building bases and more about squad on squad from what I played of it.
Posted 05:18pm 15/1/12
Posted 05:20pm 15/1/12
Ive got my logitech G9 and have smashed the two thumb buttons to the point where they dont register properly (over years of abuse).
Can totally understand the need for buttons in HON. Movement, spells and items - maybe im just bad but with certain combos (pyro - portal key, hellflower/sheepstick, stun, wave, ulti), i find spamming them all on keyboard tough and would love more mouse buttons.
Posted 11:54pm 15/1/12
From what I've heard, the question you should be asking with the naga is "how small are my hands?"
The naga is quite small, I remember hearing a review from a guy who was about 6ft 3 (Around 192cm) saying he could only reach the first 2 rows of buttons on the naga because of his large hands.
That's the biggest thing that turned me off that mouse, otherwise I probably woulda gotten that one instead of the cataclysm mouse.
As for the thumb buttons in hon / etc, I'm not so sure it would work so well. One of the issues would be if you're doing "precision aiming" (aka anything that's not an MMO) then pushing the thumb buttons may cause a bit of inaccuracy due to the thumb pushing the mouse sideways. Can be a big deal if you're running at a high DPI / sensitivity.
Posted 12:53am 16/1/12
I think it depends on sensitivity. The thumb buttons on my G9 only required a light tough initially and didnt f*** my aim even in precision things like FPS. Now they are tough as and i rarely even use them because of the effort required to push them throws off aim which can make a difference when gaming. I also tried a some mouse (cyborg RAT maybe) that had side buttons on the right side for ring finger to push and that was completely useless.
Im 185cm and have pretty big hands but for some reason i love my small and light G9 even though half my hand doesnt cover the mouse. I tried the Naga at one stage and cant recall an issue with the buttons but couldnt drag myself away from the G9 so i sold it to my friend who has it now (he is much smaller though). IMO its more about taking the time to adjust to the configuration of the mouse which i assume would take weeks and maybe something the reviewer didnt take the time to investigate (i know i didnt give the naga more than a day or two testing but that was simply because i preferred the size, shape, weight etc of the G9, not that i disliked the buttons on the naga).
Posted 01:31am 16/1/12
Oh no doubt MOBAs are far far easier then RTS but that's a fact not an opinion.. you control 1 unit and that's it.. sure there's teamwork but that has nothing to do with individual skill in the game.
Posted 03:37pm 16/1/12
I guess it would depend on how you hold the mouse too. In stuff that doesn't take lots of fast mouse movements, I palm my mouse and it rests comfortably, which is a must because usually I play those types of games for a few hours and if I'm not palming, my wrist gets fatigued.
With shooters, I lift my hand and and I wouldn't be able to hit all the mouse buttons with my thumb easily if that were the case. I think that's more why you and the reviewer had such different times with it.
And my hands (I'm also about 192cm) are freaking huge! I can't stand small mice because it feels like using one of those tiny-ass laptop mice and it really throws me off lol.
[quote]I think it depends on sensitivity. The thumb buttons on my G9 only required a light tough initially and didnt f*** my aim even in precision things like FPS. Now they are tough as and i rarely even use them because of the effort required to push them throws off aim which can make a difference when gaming. I also tried a some mouse (cyborg RAT maybe) that had side buttons on the right side for ring finger to push and that was completely useless. [/quote]
Yeah, it would depend on how hard you have to push, although sometimes, just the way my hand positions itself to hit certain buttons on my mouse throws off the smoothness of my wrist. Would also depend on if you flick with your wrist or your fingers too, I guess.
I think going off the positions of the extra buttons on this mouse, something similar may happen and it could cause issues if you have to suddenly flick over half the screen or something while pushing certain buttons.
I never use my thumb buttons in fps's because of this, though it's nice to know they're there incase I ever lose a finger on my keyboard hand or something. I know quite alot of people use these mice as a gaming aide after losing digits / hands.