Post by Dan @ 12:27pm 17/02/11 | 41 Comments
Notice: Unauthorized circumvention devices for the PlayStation 3 system have been recently released by hackers. These devices permit the use of unauthorized or pirated software. Use of such devices or software violates the terms of the “System Software License Agreement for the PlayStation 3 System” and the “Terms of Services and User Agreement” for the PlayStation Network/Qriocity and its Community Code of Conduct provisions. Violation of the System Software Licence Agreement for the PlayStation 3 System invalidates the consumer guarantee for that system. In addition, copying or playing pirated software is a violation of International Copyright Laws. Consumers using circumvention devices or running unauthorized or pirated software will have access to the PlayStation Network and access to Qriocity services through PlayStation 3 system terminated permanently.The notice appears to be a rather clear-cut warning to modded PS3 console users that Sony will soon begin banning consoles and users that it detects as modded from their online PlayStation Network service and reads as though they are perhaps giving modders a last chance to change their hardware-freedom loving ways before cutting them off.
To avoid this, consumers must immediately cease use and remove all circumvention devices and delete all unauthorized or pirated software from their PlayStation 3 systems.
PlayStation blog furthers this with their own interpretation:
By identifying PlayStation 3 systems that breach our guidelines and terminating their ability to connect to PlayStation Network, we are protecting our business and preserving the honest gameplay experiences that you expect and deserve.It is important for those considering whether to mod their console or not to understand that while Sony's desire to control what you run on the console hardware your purchase has little legal merit, restriction of access to their online services is much more cut and dry and one should view the loss of PSN functionality as an unavoidable cost for the use of homebrew applications on your PlayStation 3.
Rest assured, this message does not apply to the overwhelming majority of our users who enjoy the world of entertainment PlayStation 3 has to offer without breaching the guidelines detailed above, and we urge you to continue doing so without fear.
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Posted 12:34pm 17/2/11
Sony will always own your PS3 ?
Why should you have to buy one ? They should be leasing them.
Posted 12:37pm 17/2/11
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Posted 12:49pm 17/2/11
that said, if I want to turn my ps3 into a webserver, I'm going to
Posted 12:49pm 17/2/11
Posted 01:00pm 17/2/11
Part of the price you pay includes access to there 'playground'
If you arent using their playground why should you have to pay for it.
Their business model only works if they restrict how you use their product.
What if all business worked that way ?
Posted 01:05pm 17/2/11
their playground has rules, like any company running a venue (virtual or not) you have to abide by their rules
you can't walk into a pub and start hacking their beer keg lines to get free beer can you? you'd get kicked out on your ass quick smart
the hardware you own, sure - but you agree to their rules when you sign in to PSN
this is really clear cut, it's not even worth arguing that you should be able to go into their world with your hacked PS3, for very very obvious reasons
Posted 01:06pm 17/2/11
Lucky I care not for PSN. Live ftw!
Posted 01:10pm 17/2/11
The explanation (and I'm likely not completely accurate with this description) was that every console has several unique identifiers that Sony can check against. If you were to just change the main console ID, Sony would theoretically be able to see that that console ID didn't match the rest of the identifiers your console was trying to authenticate with. You would need to change all of these and have them match a specific set that Sony has on record for a specific individual existing console -- basically, you would need to spoof the details of another physically existing PS3 console.
This is all just second hand information that I've read from various sites (and there's probably a much less convoluted way to explain it), so don't take it as gospel but it does seem entirely plausible.
If true, it's probably only a good thing. As if you could change your console ID and dodge bans at a whim, mutliplayer cheating would just spiral completely out of control.
Posted 01:12pm 17/2/11
Rules ?
I payed for the PS3 I make the rules.
First rule is I Own it, not Sony.
Its like you join a Cult when you buy a Console.
Luckily I dont own one.
Posted 01:21pm 17/2/11
I'll be damned if i'm going to pay for an ongoing service only to see it being hacked by cheaters wanting to extend their e-penisisis on the expense of others. Then again you get what you pay for and I don't mind paying $55 a year for XBL to make sure s*** like that doesn't happen in the first place.
PSN will always be inferior anyways..
Posted 01:20pm 17/2/11
Why can't they just implement something like Valve Anti-cheat or Punkbuster? Monitors memory/GPU for changes while playing, any change and bam! Ban-hammer comes down.
If anything, it's a good thing for Sony because although it will turn some customers away, it's a decent design requirement which can be used as a reason to push out another console system!
Posted 01:25pm 17/2/11
Thats were they are going wrong I think.
I guess cause they will probably say that unauthorised software could be used for cheating in games.
Sony could fix the problem by giving people the "other os" option back, and this time with full system access.
That way theres no way people could complain because the ONLY reason for hacking the playstation software would be for pirating and hacking, otherwise you'd just install linux and XBMC.
Posted 01:26pm 17/2/11
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Posted 12:49am 18/2/11
Sure Sony will vaguely attempt to tell you that the hardware shouldn't be hacked for legal reasons, but they're just beating their chest a bit
but when it comes to using a hacked device on their own network, it's ludicrous to believe that you are "entitled" to this because you bought their hardware
it's not a right, it's a privilege
a privilege they fully warn you will be taken away if you abuse it
Posted 02:23pm 17/2/11
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Posted 03:06pm 17/2/11
They dont run it as a not-for-profit.
I feel like I am from another World at times on QGL.
Its either the Government stomping all over your rights or its Corporations.
Telling you its because of Cheaters is like telling you you have to be X-rayed before you board a plane because of Terrorists.
There prolly is cheaters but Id imagine there numbers are small or cheating wouldnt be an advantage. People who make the Hacks will just make better ones that avoid Sonys detection.
Inconvenience to Hackers = minimal.
Benefits of banning non-sony Software = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted 03:09pm 17/2/11
Ah well actually they do, thats why people are getting sued at the moment.
Posted 03:10pm 17/2/11
Its funny, we often feel the same way.
Posted 03:13pm 17/2/11
youfaceman said was "the dumbest".Posted 03:19pm 17/2/11
Posted 03:24pm 17/2/11
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Posted 03:50pm 17/2/11
Its a feature of the Console you buy.
After you buy the Console Sony might remove that feature based on the kind of Software you use. For instance, any Software that isnt Sony.
Would you buy the Console for the same price if PSN was disabled ?
Posted 03:59pm 17/2/11
It's the same with Xbox 360, and its the exact same thing that happens with PC games - try too many client side hacks and eventually you'll get caught and banned from playing online.
Online cheating is a big deal; I find it hard to take exception to these policies.
Posted 04:19pm 17/2/11
Posted 04:27pm 17/2/11
*X files theme song*
Posted 04:37pm 17/2/11
Yeah, they do, but I'm kind of hoping that some clever people figure out some ways to still get online, because I want to play my games online and have my homebrew. Unfortunately that also means that idiots will be able to get online with their hacked games and ruin it for everyone else. :(
Posted 04:59pm 17/2/11
Posted 05:07pm 17/2/11
stop getting trolled
Posted 09:57pm 17/2/11
Not sure that's any different to this, beyond Sony giving fair warning now before laying the smack down.
Posted 10:02pm 17/2/11
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Posted 10:32am 18/2/11
Dear lord, no it's not.
You don't just f*****g "get" PSN with the PS3, you get a PS3 and by using any PS3, anywhere, antime - even a rented one, you are allowed to 'signup' for a PSN login.
They can ban you from PSN for any reason they want, you owe them nothing and they owe you nothing.
You agree to abide by their rules when you sign up for it.
A better example of what you are describing is when Sony decided to remove OtherOS support, that was wrong - that really ground my gears
Posted 01:23pm 18/2/11
Sure PSN access is part of the "package" you paid for, but the bottom line is that you only own your PS3 and not the PSN. Mod the crap out of your console by all means, but you have to play by their rules if you feel like using their ongoing service.
Sony's wording and attitude like that just makes me rage. As if the average pirate has copyright laws in mind when they are ripping/installing a game.