Post by Steve Farrelly @ 12:31pm 13/12/10 | 38 Comments
While not having the R18+ voted in unanimously on the day, it was still worded by the Minister as a "step in the right direction" to the rating's introduction and, if anything, proved that the AGs needed more education on the issue.
Staunch opponent of the R18+ initiative, the Australian Christian Lobby, has ignored this "step in the right direction", however, releasing their own Media Release, claiming victory by stating "the Australian Christian Lobby has welcomed the decision of the Standing Committee of Attorneys-General not to provide an R18+ Classification for games".
The release goes on to quote panellist Jim Wallace as saying that "it is clear that the meeting failed to get support for the R18 classification", however, as mentioned in the opening to this post, and as confirmed and clarified by the Minister for Home Affairs, there was no clear outcome barring the need for more information to make a more informed, and mature decision on such a decisive issue. Unfortunately, hyperbole like this is, in fact, the antithesis to the overall outcome of last Friday's meeting.
"The claims that the MA15+ rating for games contains a number of games that should be classified higher is simply admission of a failed system," Wallace said.
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Posted 12:39pm 13/12/10
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Posted 12:59pm 13/12/10
Posted 01:00pm 13/12/10
With this quote in mind from an SCAG panellist, maybe the ACL press release title should be amended:
"ACL welcomes
refusal of R18+ classification for gamesstatus quo decision on broken classification system."Posted 01:06pm 13/12/10
Posted 01:09pm 13/12/10
Posted 01:19pm 13/12/10
Dazhel's would be a much more realistic interpretation.
The ACL stance is bizarre. I think they are too emotional about the issue because the lack of logic in their approach dooms them to failure from the very beginning!
Someone should make a parody of this page with an ACL twist so it would say:
G - Mild content. No holding hands or kissing
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up to
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X18+ - Adult viewers only. Depicts imagery of birth of children to married parents, glasses of wine with dinner and staying up past midnight.
I think this video has an important message.
Posted 01:16pm 13/12/10
The war won't be over until Christianity is seen as a mental illness which sees believers in institutions and straight jackets.
Oh snap, too far?
If only we could get Religious material reclassified R18+. Then I wonder how they'd feel about the R18+ rating :D
Posted 01:31pm 13/12/10
somebody think of the children!
Posted 01:53pm 13/12/10
Posted 01:57pm 13/12/10
Posted 02:09pm 13/12/10
Obviously they don't know the difference between "Undecided" and "Refused".
Posted 02:10pm 13/12/10
I think this what Corinthians 9:25 is talking about, eSports:
Proverbs 12:27 also discusses pro-gaming:
Clearly a metaphor about pwning n00bs.
Posted 02:17pm 13/12/10
Posted 02:20pm 13/12/10
In R18+ news if anyone wants the transcript of the SCAG press conference Gamespot just uploaded it.
Posted 02:37pm 13/12/10
Posted 03:27pm 13/12/10
Posted 03:35pm 13/12/10
Posted 03:39pm 13/12/10
Basically, 'We can't make a decision yet because the proposed framework is still being drafted, but there's in principle support for an addition of a new R18+ rating because ESRB M17+ and AO18+ & PEGI 18+ games are slipping through as MA15+ here'.
Posted 03:40pm 13/12/10
How dare anyone else use it. Yeah, good one.
p.s. ACL FTL
Posted 03:56pm 13/12/10
Posted 03:56pm 13/12/10
brenden o'conner was pretty good i think, just the way he answered some of the questions annoyed me in that he wouldn't give a straight answer but did well not to look ignorant while seeming to be complaining that he doesnt actually know and the political game goes about twice as slow as the education administration processes...
also wahts RC and ACL?
Posted 03:57pm 13/12/10
Refused Classification (i.e., banned from sale in Australia) and Australian Christian Lobby (although they don't appear to represent any Christians that I know).
Posted 04:01pm 13/12/10
Posted 05:18pm 13/12/10
Actually sounds like he has some serious tolerance issues and may need to seek help. Fancy being that intolerant and grouping people in the same bucket like that in this day and age!
Posted 05:58pm 13/12/10
Posted 06:33pm 13/12/10
Posted 06:34pm 13/12/10
Posted 08:20pm 13/12/10
Christianity is about teaching people about God (if they let you) and letting them do what they want with their lives. The ACL seems to be some form of modern day Crusaders; forcing people to share their beliefs, which just isn't right.
Posted 08:44pm 13/12/10
There are many better opponents to the R18+ rating; the ACL is just low hanging fruit and a convenient target for our moral outrage, because as a fringe group of religious types that exists solely as a lobby group to push their weird and dated political agendas, they're just easy to pick on. Too easy.
Here's what I reckon we should do:
1) Stay informed, by reading this site and others, that are covering the issue. Read things like the literature review that was released earlier this month which concludes, based on the latest evidence, which quite clearly concludes that there is "no conclusive evidence that violent computer games have a greater impact on players than other violent media, such as movies or music videos".
2) Let's just ignore the ACL and continue trying to encourage our politicians to do the right thing by showing that responsible adults and gamers are one and the same thing.
If you simply must get involved with the ACL, their representatives, or their faithful believers, then engage them calmly, politely and factually. Don't fall into patterns of abuse that focuses on their belief.
3) JOIN ELECTRONIC FRONTIERS AUSTRALIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is an entity that will LOBBY FOR YOU directly to politicians on these sorts of issues. They will do ALL the hard work - writing letters, appearing in front of the Senate to talk about things like privacy, going on the radio, debating with Conroy - all that stuff.
If you care about R18 games, then giving money to the EFA is probably the single best thing you can do. $55/year or $275 for lifetime membership.
sign up today!
Posted 09:00pm 13/12/10
Posted 09:28pm 13/12/10
I couldnt resist trog, its too hard. I made a comment on there press release page saying the government should ban people becoming priests as it obviously turns people into child molesters.
Yes it was childish and pointless but I couldnt resist.
For some reason they moderated my post.
Posted 02:43pm 14/12/10
http://au.gamespot.com/pages/news/story.php?sid=6285360
Rau is missing the point - the discrepancy between film & literature classification and games is what creates confusion
@hoggy - didn't I tell you this would happen!!?
Posted 02:55pm 14/12/10
That is the kind of idiotic hipocracy I hate the church for. Stop preaching your own bulls*** to everyone else and clean up your own church. (catholic church anyway /)
BUT WHY should we put up with them forcing their views on beliefs on us. Just roll back and let them go at us? No thank you. I see the point of a well thought out tactical approach but what I don't understand is why its frowned upon to point out the blatantly obvious flaws in their own moronic beliefs.
The anger part of me just wants to see these douchebags get put in their place. I just hope common sense prevails.
Posted 08:15pm 15/12/10
New ESRB app and advertisement for rating games.
Posted 08:38pm 15/12/10
Posted 12:41pm 21/12/10
There's a good bit of info on the Classification website and a request for comments using the online inquiry form: http://www.classification.gov.au/