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Post by Steve Farrelly @ 10:04am 07/07/10 | 81 Comments
I might always display my full, real-life name in forums and as my online handle, but that's my choice. Blizzard are removing any choice for how you're known online, by shifting their forums to the Real ID system, meaning your online handles will now be officially replaced with your real, full name, post-Cataclysm launch.
The first and most significant change is that in the near future, anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it.
This will be the case for all official forums and will also include StarCraft II, so you can bet Diablo III will follow suit.

Click here for the full Blizzard explanation.



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Latest Comments
glynd
Posted 10:12am 07/7/10
lame but RealID system in WoW is straight up amazing.
Hogfather
Posted 10:16am 07/7/10
woah.. totally didn't expect this.

Looks like Blizz are going hard with RealID. Don't expect to use non-real ID for anything very useful in StarCraft II then.

I think this is the wrong direction. I don't make all you c**** friends on facebook, and you're like family. What's the motivation here? Are they making a play in the social networking space?
NoLogic
Posted 10:19am 07/7/10
F*****g stupid idea - this is going to stop ppls trolling from work. GG Blizzfail.
ctd
Posted 10:20am 07/7/10
They are doing it because the official forums gets spammed and trolled like no other.

Still blizzard are retarded. Just ban accounts and cdkeys and people will stop. Srsly.

I think Blizzard need to go ring up Valve and get some tips on how to avoid being retarded.
Hogfather
Posted 10:22am 07/7/10
They are doing it The excuse they are using is because the official forums gets spammed and trolled like no other.
ctd
Posted 10:26am 07/7/10
Hahaha 10000 posts in the thread about it on the WoW official forum. Popular idea.

What if you are some sick c*** like a famous actor/sports/politics/whatever you just can't post on the forum.
Hogfather
Posted 10:27am 07/7/10
Psuedonym?
NoLogic
Posted 10:30am 07/7/10
famous actor/sports/politics/whatever you just can't post on the forum.


Huge point. Not that it is needed that ppls MUST post on the official forums, but what about tech support? I know most information can be found elsewhere, what if it can't.

I can't see anything else happening here apart from the forum population plummeting - is this why they are doing it?
Khel
Posted 10:31am 07/7/10
Yeah, I mean I don't spam or troll (or really even read) the wow forums, but I hate this idea. I've been having an argument with friends about Real id in wow ever since it came out, I think the whole idea of it showing your real name is just f***ign retarded. I like some of the ideas behind it, like see what game people are playing, see what characters they're on, group chats, etc, but making it show you up as your real name is just retarded. I mean, a large part of the draw for games like WoW is the escapism, being your character kind of thing, and I don't mean in an RP way, I just mean in a "break from real life for a bit" kind of way. I think Real Id strips away a lot of that, and brings too much of a dose of the "real world" into the fantasy world of WoW.

I just don't like it, its killing the magic :(
TicMan
Posted 10:31am 07/7/10
I wouldn't have worried too much if it was only first name but last name too? Sure it will cut down on spams and scams through the Blizzard portal but they could've attacked the problem by warning or banning accounts of those people instead of punishing the whole community.
ctd
Posted 10:32am 07/7/10

Psuedonym

Bleh effort. Just don't post. If you need to ask a question or some s*** do it on a fan site :P
Hogfather
Posted 10:33am 07/7/10
it will cut down on spams and scams through the Blizzard portal

teehee!
Khel
Posted 10:33am 07/7/10
Also, you can't change the name on your account without going through a lot of long winded bulls*** with Blizzard, which involves calling their support line (which is in the US and runs on US hours), and sitting in a queue on the phone for an hour. That is, if you're lucky enough to even be able to get through.

If I'd known 5 years ago when I made my account, that I was going to be identified online using my real name and contact details, I would have put in fake ones.
Marty
Posted 10:34am 07/7/10
Thats an awesome idea!! It will sure get rid of the illusion that you are anonymous online.

"Still blizzard are retarded. Just ban accounts and cdkeys and people will stop. Srsly - ctd"

No that will never work, there has been plenty of studies done that point to the fact that punishing people to make them NOT do something just makes them do it more.. If this concept worked then speeding fines would stop people speeding.
Eorl
Posted 10:37am 07/7/10
Bahahaha, this is f***ed up. Are blizzard thinking that real names will stop trolling and flaming? Honestly, it looks like they are just trying to kill WoW early.
ctd
Posted 10:41am 07/7/10

No that will never work, there has been plenty of studies done that point to the fact that punishing people to make them NOT do something just makes them do it more.. If this concept worked then speeding fines would stop people speeding.

biglulz.

You think people are going to buy cdkeys just to troll a forum? You'd have to buy the cdkey before trolling (assuming your original key got banned because of a low tolerance policy) whereas speeding you get a fine after speeding + chances of getting caught.
ravn0s
Posted 10:43am 07/7/10
i predict an increase in real life bashings of people tracking down those that killed them in game.
Khel
Posted 10:45am 07/7/10
Yeah, was just saying that to a friend of mine on msn, what if you're on a pvp server and you gank some guy, and he goes and finds your real name, stalks you on facebook, tracks you down, etc. Its f***ed up.
trog
Posted 10:49am 07/7/10
No that will never work, there has been plenty of studies done that point to the fact that punishing people to make them NOT do something just makes them do it more
uh... citation needed dude. That sounds like something you heard once in a bar and have believed ever since.

The reason speeding tickets don't stop speeding is because the relative cost of catching people speeding is quite high - so the chances of you getting caught speeding at any particular time is really really low. The chances of you being an asshat on a public forum and getting caught is infinitely greater, and it's practically a zero-cost effort to ban or otherwise punish them - just the click of a button.

I assume the main reason Blizzard don't want to punish people by banning their accounts is that these people are paying customers and they don't want them to stop being paying customers. Putting up with a bit of s*** on the forum is probably totally worth the total economic value of one a****** idiot user, because at the end of the day Bilzzard get the last laugh.

What matters is how many non-asshat customers cancel their subscriptions because of the retards on the forum. And I bet that number if vanishingly small.

It seems though that if their forum account is tied to their WoW account it would be best to just ban them from the forums and let them keep playing the game, right? It would be low cost to them, they wouldn't lose subscribers, and the number of people that are going to pay for a new account just to continue being a forum f***wit is probably pretty small (especially after you sting them a few times).
deadlyf
Posted 10:56am 07/7/10
What if you are some sick c*** like a famous actor/sports/politics/whatever you just can't post on the forum.
I'd be more worried about becoming famous and being paparazzi stalked because of how awesome I post on forums.
groganus
Posted 10:56am 07/7/10
I've been writing a short story in my spare time about the death of an online avatar, as i personally believe that social networking sites that encourage people to use there real identiity are killing off a culture of annoymous usage on the internet.

Short of this forum i use my real name everywhere else on the internet, however i try to make it clear that whilst i use my real name the person i am online is a character i've created, not who i actuall am. (this isn't to protect myself legally or anything like that, its purely a last stance to hold on to the creative idenity of an online avatar)

it's a shame to see a game which promote roleplaying (even in there advertising using celebritys.. the mr t ad's are a prime example) turn to a realid system.
Bertis
Posted 11:00am 07/7/10
famous actor/sports/politics/whatever you just can't post on the forum.

Who needs coke and sex parties when you can post and browse in the WoW forums.
CSIRAC
Posted 11:09am 07/7/10
i was thinking of doing this before but this is even more reason and im pretty certain ill do it.

just going to create a new bnet account just for sc2 with fake name and details, unlike WoW, there wont much many situations where you have to prove your id so i cant see this having too many problems. this also solves the problem of being too uptight about giving out ur realid to semi-random people that you meet on bnet.
Bertis
Posted 11:14am 07/7/10
You don't have to publicly link your character name to your real name. So it's not like someone can just find out your real name after you pwned them in a 1v1. Same can be said about the forums. While your real name will be used when posting, your character name doesn't necessarily have to appear.
deadlyf
Posted 11:15am 07/7/10
Use a porno stage name like Ram Rod or Johnny Reallybigpenis.
CSIRAC
Posted 11:28am 07/7/10
While your real name will be used when posting, your character name doesn't necessarily have to appear.


Thats the point, that your real name will be used when you post. (but srsly if you post on those forums...stop)

anyway...fake name ftw
Thundercracker
Posted 11:33am 07/7/10
Sif post on the official forums anyway. Other forums are much better.

If it cuts down on the insane amount of bulls*** on the official forums then I'm all for it.
Dazhel
Posted 11:39am 07/7/10
I'm envisaging a significant disproportion of posters named Heywood Jablowme on the Blizzard forum compared to the general population.
Nerfosaurus
Posted 11:45am 07/7/10
I'm mostly just amazed that candle woman still posts there. I think all the other oldschool blues rage-quitted those forums before my time was up.
Raven
Posted 12:00pm 07/7/10
Boo Hoo. Privacy this, privacy that.

Don't like it, don't play.
NoLogic
Posted 12:06pm 07/7/10
Boo Hoo. Privacy this, privacy that.

Don't like it, don't play.


flying headbutt!!
HeardY
Posted 12:57pm 07/7/10
Man, that's a crazy idea!!

Luckily I don't play any Blizzard games, nor pay them copious amounts of money to be allowed to play a game every month :p
skythra
Posted 01:00pm 07/7/10
It's amazing how they can try to ruin good games by changing the social aspect of them.

Honestly. People will just find workarounds. Its impossible to make people do things they don't want to do.
VRBones
Posted 01:41pm 07/7/10
Ever since I set up my handle on IRC back in 1990, I have made a deliberate distinction between an online identity and my real life name. I have been fortunate that no-one's ever used my handle online, so I can maintain the same 'name' throughout many games and online communities. My handle IS my online identity, my real name is nothing online.

This isn't to do with anonymity, quite the opposite. My handle remains more or less unique while my real name would not be. There are a select few times when these 2 identities are interchangeable, and that is only while playing with my immediate family online while skyping. Even attending LANs I'd rather know people by their handle than by their real name.

Facebook's insistence of using your real name has been the start of the rot, and with Google profiles following suit, there's definitely a move to quash online personas. While there are certainly asshats happy to hide behind an anonymous nick to troll away, the vast majority of people I know have used the ability to have different handles to promote different aspects of their life. This more directly mimics what our intent is within our minds, and as such is a BETTER form of communication than just simply plonking your real name onto something. Think of the conversation style, the attitude and social context used while at work compared to at home, and at the golf course with mates, and online inside forums. Many may wish to lump all these together (as I do for all my online presences), but there remains no need to mandate it. You're destroying something that's important to the conversation, an idea of identity within context of the conversation.

Next thing you know they'll require people to have their own pictures as avatars. Some people do already by choice (hi trog), but forcing everyone to do it limits people's ability to emphasize their identity in a new space. Allowing people to express themselves more easily mans that I don't have to read as much to get an impression of whether someone's worth following, or is simply an asshat.


@groganus: I'd be very interested in that short story if you want some proofing.
gamer
Posted 01:49pm 07/7/10
Blizzard just sent me a f*****g email saying

blah blah blah your have committed fraud blah blah blah if you dont update the following account details

Firstname: Anony
Surname: Mous
Address: 01 Sex Street

then my account will be suspended " ... or something

Sigh. It's been that way for like 4 f*****g years and you haven't cared. Why the f*** should a game company need to have my RL details?

What if that really was my name! How the hell can they verify that it's not!
demon
Posted 01:57pm 07/7/10
i never put my real details on the internets... 2 reasons... firstly identity theft, secondly liability.
sure apps like facebook try & enforce the 'real identity' bs... but you just gotta be a little creative to get around their lame blocks.
i don't have a blizzard account & can't really see myself signing up for one... but if i did it would be false details or not at all.
BoneyD
Posted 02:17pm 07/7/10
I guess the only option is to use a non Battle.net forum. Hopefully one site's will grow large enough that it's generally accepted by the community to be the place to go. Ofcourse, there wouldn't be any blue posts on that site...

Blizzard have already started to cave under some pressure for other things - they're going to relax their position on the region locking for SC2 online play and chat rooms after a massive backlash. Hopefully they respond to concerns on this similarly.
FaceMan
Posted 02:52pm 07/7/10
boycotting sc2.
TicMan
Posted 03:05pm 07/7/10
I wonder if this breaches any part of the NPP we have in Australia?
Reverend Evil
Posted 03:06pm 07/7/10
That's such a f***ed idea. Next thing you'll have to rename all your toons to your real name.
VRBones
Posted 04:00pm 07/7/10
No that will never work, there has been plenty of studies done that point to the fact that punishing people to make them NOT do something just makes them do it more

uh... citation needed dude. That sounds like something you heard once in a bar and have believed ever since.


I think he was meaning negative suggestion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fIuMBDLOAQ) which is not the same as punishment as a reinforcer (http://allpsych.com/psychology101/reinforcement.html)
Raider
Posted 04:04pm 07/7/10
rl friend is already fkn retarded, if a china hacks your acc and he access to all your rl friends names and all their rl friends names, which makes jacking accounts easier for those inept who still go to dodgy sites.

Also sif post on the blizz forums anyway.
Thundercracker
Posted 04:07pm 07/7/10
I think a lot of people's concerns about privacy are very valid. Not many people lock down their accounts online, so if you have their full name you could cause a bit of grief if their facebook profile was visible to the public and whatnot.

I think a lot of people will stop posting on the official forums due to these concerns, and you will see a rise in popularity of unofficial forums.
pARODY
Posted 04:18pm 07/7/10
I would be happy if it was a customizable option what name was displayed, even if it defaulted to your real name but you could login to the account management page and select which identity was your public profile. I understand wanting to remove the cloak of an anonymous persona many people troll from but this is going too far. This could be a great platform for social engineering peoples accounts away from them as you will be able to email or stalk facebook of the player you are wanting to hijack.

Shame Blizzard, Shame!
CSIRAC
Posted 04:18pm 07/7/10
This isn't to do with anonymity, quite the opposite. My handle remains more or less unique while my real name would not be. There are a select few times when these 2 identities are interchangeable, and that is only while playing with my immediate family online while skyping. Even attending LANs I'd rather know people by their handle than by their real name.


^ too right
tequila
Posted 04:40pm 07/7/10
I seriously wouldn't buy SC2 if there was no way for me to keep my privacy
what right do they have to give out my name against my will?
Bertis
Posted 04:44pm 07/7/10
They're not giving out your name against your will if it's your will to post on the forums....
deadlyf
Posted 04:55pm 07/7/10
I wonder if this push by companies to find out your real personal details and ditch the typical anonymous nature of the internet is more about better information gathering for targeted advertising.

/Faceman?
Eorl
Posted 05:00pm 07/7/10
Here we are people. The first abuse case of this Real ID http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function

A quick summary: A blue poster on WoW forums decided to give his real name out to show its fine and dandy system. People tracked him down and are now bombarding him with everything they have. He even deleted his facebook xD
Hogfather
Posted 05:01pm 07/7/10
I wonder if this push by companies to find out your real personal details and ditch the typical anonymous nature of the internet is more about better information gathering for targeted advertising.

/Faceman?

Absolutely NOT a faceman.
VRBones
Posted 05:10pm 07/7/10
Aahahaa, that's an awesome find!
At least it's not lil' granny getting sob story getting the headlines...
typo
Posted 05:13pm 07/7/10
A quick summary: A blue poster on WoW forums decided to give his real name out to show its fine and dandy system. People tracked him down and are now bombarding him with everything they have. He even deleted his facebook xD


For those too lazy to have a read, after blue posted his full name on the forum the trolls found his phone number, address, family details, his facebook account and on top of that (and not mentioned in that link), they also discovered that he has two felonies for not having vehicle registration upon request. One in 2004, and one this year.

They even found a google maps image with some guy who might be the blue poster standing out side.
HeardY
Posted 05:18pm 07/7/10
Here we are people. The first abuse case of this Real ID http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-functionA quick summary: A blue poster on WoW forums decided to give his real name out to show its fine and dandy system. People tracked him down and are now bombarding him with everything they have. He even deleted his facebook xD


hehe that certainly backfired on him!
CSIRAC
Posted 05:39pm 07/7/10
Thanks Internet.
Thundercracker
Posted 05:59pm 07/7/10
Poor bashiok, hes an awesome CM
konstie
Posted 06:04pm 07/7/10
Here we are people. The first abuse case of this Real ID http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-functionA quick summary: A blue poster on WoW forums decided to give his real name out to show its fine and dandy system. People tracked him down and are now bombarding him with everything they have. He even deleted his facebook xD
hehe that certainly backfired on him!



hahahaha that's all kinds of fantastic.
Plasma
Posted 06:10pm 07/7/10
An old gaming forum I've visited for years has a track record for messing with people IRL (99% of the time, its fine!).

Posters have been fired from their job, been arrested, been delivered 'goatse grams', and I think at least one has been kicked out of a Uni class for cheating heh.

That all happened because someone posted something like 'hey look what ive done at my job' and trolls have dug up IRL details on the poster and contacted their place of work / reported fake abuse etc.

Nothing good surely can come of Blizzard's decision.
ctd
Posted 06:13pm 07/7/10
haha if i was a community manager id be worried right now
Tanaka Khan
Posted 06:19pm 07/7/10
Bahahaha, this is f***ed up. Are blizzard thinking that real names will stop trolling and flaming? Honestly, it looks like they are just trying to kill WoW early.


Kill wow early? It's been running over 5 years, it won't be dying anytime soon.
Eorl
Posted 06:20pm 07/7/10
They've all gone into hiding. This has hilariously backfired on Blizzard. I can only hope for more lols out of this. Crash and burn, all because of themselves. Guess everyone was right, "Only Blizzard could kill itself".
ctd
Posted 10:12pm 07/7/10
Just in case anyone doesn't already know. If you don't want people on facey knowing that you are on bnet you have to hide your email in the privacy settings in facebook to 'only me'. Or use a different email for facebook and bnet.
VRBones
Posted 10:29pm 07/7/10
... or not use facebook.
Bertis
Posted 11:04pm 07/7/10
People are calling it facey now?
konstie
Posted 11:58pm 07/7/10
I seriously wouldn't buy SC2 if there was no way for me to keep my privacy
what right do they have to give out my name against my will?


did you give itunes your real name?
VRBones
Posted 02:19am 08/7/10
... I'm callling it FaceBattle.net
Creepy
Posted 02:45am 08/7/10
Bones, why do you have a photo of yourself on your blog (which uses your real name), considering what you've just posted about?
orbitor
Posted 08:00am 08/7/10
all I can say is suck s*** internet heroes.
BoneyD
Posted 01:50pm 08/7/10
If I do get SC2, i'll not be attaching it to my current battle.net account. I'll make a new one using my dodgy hotmail account and a fake name, then associate it with that.

Ofcourse, this means I won't be able to play Cataclysm without completely re-rolling... but I think i'm over WoW anyway, won't be going back.
CSIRAC
Posted 01:59pm 08/7/10
Ofcourse, this means I won't be able to play Cataclysm without completely re-rolling...


how does associating sc2 with a donkey account affect how you play cataclysm?
Jim
Posted 02:50pm 08/7/10
wouldn't you like to know, Mr. IdentityStealer!!
FaceMan
Posted 02:59pm 08/7/10
whois @ Mr. Micah Whipple lol

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10001&sid=1
I think i found one thread that supported the idea, prolly a Blizzard employee.

Join me ppl and boycot Blizzards attempts at enslaving you.

Anonymous ?
we need you !

reLapse
Posted 03:01pm 08/7/10
$9.99 to buy a copy of vanilla wow = trolls a plenty under the new real id system.
VRBones
Posted 05:10pm 08/7/10
Creepy: My point is about choosing a nick and avatar helps convey more meaning than simply my name or my face. In the context of my blog, I'm fine with my face being presented as I'm writing for myself, but my handle (VRBones) says more about me than my real name.

"My handle IS my online identity, my real name is nothing online."

The name on the pic is leftovers from the last time I used the photo (WCG Korea badges). I'm not too fussed about my real name being associated with me, but I PREFER that people know me as VRBones in an online context. Some people (like Steve) have their real name both online and offline. That's great. If they feel that conveys more about themselves than another nick, awesome.

I share some of the privacy concerns of others, but my point was more to highlight the loss of expression hinders conversation. It's a step backwards.
Hogfather
Posted 11:56pm 09/7/10
How do we know its about Social Networking (Facebooking) and not anything to do with forum trolling? Because they didn't do this:
Just let people see what characters are on the same account as the character that's posting. It doesn't violate their privacy nearly as much as the current solution and it would be enough to deter most people from trolling because they don't want their trolling associated with their main. All that'd be left is people trolling from dummy accounts, which it sounds like they can do under the new system anyway, so Blizzard would just make some extra money off crazy cowards.

This is by far and away the easiest wy to deal with trolling. Players are massively attached to their reputation, it would be a much less dangerous option than making people reveal identifying information.

And you can only hae one character name in SC II anyway! ><
Superform
Posted 05:04am 10/7/10
meh just dont post
ctd
Posted 08:27am 10/7/10
haha backflip


Hello everyone,

I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.

It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.

I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.

In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters (http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/about/mission.html), and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.

Mike Morhaime
CEO & Cofounder
Blizzard Entertainment
trog
Posted 11:03am 10/7/10
http://www.metafilter.com/93492/But-my-name-really-is-Deathblood-Blackaxe#3171416 is another great post, written by a female gamer

last edited by trog at 11:03:15 10/Jul/10
Hogfather
Posted 11:30am 10/7/10
meh just dont post

Problem is that they totally have a corporate agenda with this real id s***. There's lots of good, useful BNet features that you don't get access to unless you give out your real name. They've tested the water now on expanding that to existing peripheral features - its pretty clear they are pusing it.

It really needs to be opposed by gamers. Because if Activision Blizzard turn this into another success / pile of money, you can bet the suits at your favourite game studio will give it serious thought.
FaceMan
Posted 11:30am 10/7/10
THE GAMERS
UNITED
WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED

Hogfather
Posted 11:32am 10/7/10
THE GAMERS
UNITED
WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED

You just taint everything you touch with lunacy. Please don't be on my side :(
Taipan
Posted 04:10pm 10/7/10
Yeah trog I read that girls entire post and have to say I agree pretty well 100% with every word she said. I have personally witnessed that kind of crap being put on female gamers daily during my time playing MMo's and it's pretty frigging sad to say the least.

Handing out a girls real name to a bunch of attention starved teenaged social retards in a gaming environment is a horrible mistake.
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