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Post by Eds @ 06:43am 08/06/10 | 161 Comments
Apple have officially announced the details of the upcoming iPhone 4. Some details:
- Video recording, HD (720p) up to 30 frames per second with audio
- 16GB or 32GB flash drive
- 5-megapixel still camera
- VGA-quality photos and video at up to 30 frames per second with the front camera
- LED flash
Looks awesome. I have been waiting about 6 weeks since I accidentally smashed my 3G :( Disappointed no 64gig model but the specs are quite an update. I read that it has the same processor in it as the iPad, but I am not sure if that is just speculation.promoted/edited forum item




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Latest Comments
d0mino
Posted 06:50am 08/6/10
do want!
Skitza
Posted 07:00am 08/6/10
Yeah no 64gig is strange, but 32gig should be enough. Will be getting one for sure.
simul
Posted 07:01am 08/6/10
Am at wwdc now

The screen looks very ver awesome shame about the iPad not having similar dpi.
mission
Posted 07:05am 08/6/10
Nerds rejoice!
d0mino
Posted 07:06am 08/6/10
yeah the retina display is probably the most interesting feature. i will defiantely be holding out on getting an ipad until they put a similar display in there.
Spook
Posted 07:11am 08/6/10
is apple?
is fail
3dee
Posted 07:26am 08/6/10
I'm getting one. 720p recording + print res display = win
Morax
Posted 07:44am 08/6/10
Simul, have you seen the Samsung Galaxy S screen? Would be interesting to get a comparison
Martz
Posted 07:55am 08/6/10
dammit, have to find out when my contract runs out now.. ahh f*** it, I'll just buy one outright, contracts suck c***.. any idea when this is gonna hit our streets?
deadlyf
Posted 07:59am 08/6/10
buying iphones outright is doing it wrong. They put a premium on the outright purchases to subsidise the much much cheaper contract phones, so if you buy it outright you are helping to pay for some other pricks phone who went with a contract.
Damo
Posted 08:14am 08/6/10
comes out next month!!!
3dee
Posted 08:16am 08/6/10
July 21st or 28th or something apparently. I think they're still getting pwnd by iPad shortages.
Martz
Posted 08:28am 08/6/10
buying iphones outright is doing it wrong. They put a premium on the outright purchases to subsidise the much much cheaper contract phones, so if you buy it outright you are helping to pay for some other pricks phone who went with a contract.


you serious? I thought it would have been the other way around.
s
Posted 08:35am 08/6/10
buying iphones outright is doing it wrong. They put a premium on the outright purchases to subsidise the much much cheaper contract phones, so if you buy it outright you are helping to pay for some other pricks phone who went with a contract.


It's not that much of a premium (if any).

I think you're just jealous of people who buy outright... BL.
Tim Tibbetts
Posted 08:36am 08/6/10
Meh, this doesn't look that exciting. Especially if you own a 3GS already.
Insom
Posted 08:37am 08/6/10
oh wat

i was expecting a 64 gig one so i can get rid of my dying ipod

lame as
paveway
Posted 08:39am 08/6/10
3dee, steve jobs could start marketing the turds he does every morning and you'd be keen to buy one
Opec
Posted 08:44am 08/6/10
Looks good for Apple fans. Me, Imma wait for the new Windows phone.
Spook
Posted 08:45am 08/6/10
3dee, steve jobs could start marketing the turds he does every morning and you'd be keen to buy one

3dee would be lining up to eat the steve jobs poo poo
tequila
Posted 08:52am 08/6/10
I don't get it, it's not really an upgrade if you have a 3GS
Khel
Posted 09:17am 08/6/10
So its almost as good as my HTC Desire, except still full of apple's closed, proprietary bulls***. Yawn.
Mordecai
Posted 09:18am 08/6/10
I don't get it, it's not really an upgrade if you have a 3GS

Apple fanboys don't care. Its shiny and new so they must have it now!!!111!!one!!eleventy!

Ill stick to not getting one.
trog
Posted 09:19am 08/6/10
buying iphones outright is doing it wrong. They put a premium on the outright purchases to subsidise the much much cheaper contract phones, so if you buy it outright you are helping to pay for some other pricks phone who went with a contract.
What is the typical minimum cost of an iPhone on a contract here ? Aren't they usually like 24 months at $60/month?
iTOM
Posted 09:20am 08/6/10
no way... outright and prepaid is the way to go, providing you get a good deal:

what ive done:
bought htc desire for $640 outright
$20/mth prepaid plan $300 credit and 300mb data
total: $1080 over 24 months

telstra plan that i shunned:
$79/mth, 24 mths
total: $1896

who's the winner now? me
3dee
Posted 09:26am 08/6/10
Beware the Apple haters. So much rage for no useful reason. You can thank Apple for kickstarting the mobile Internet, touch screen and tablet era.
tequila
Posted 09:27am 08/6/10
I'm an apple fanboi but I can't see the value in this at all
BillyHardball
Posted 09:30am 08/6/10
Outright is very rarely the cheapest option.
no way... outright and prepaid is the way to go, providing you get a good deal:

what ive done:
bought htc desire for $640 outright
$20/mth prepaid plan $300 credit and 300mb data
total: $1080 over 24 months

telstra plan that i shunned:
$79/mth, 24 mths
total: $1896

who's the winner now? me

I'm guessing you get a lot more than $300 credit and 300mb data with the $79 monthly plan. Also, with the prepaid plans, the BEST you can hope for is that you only pay your prepaid cost once per month, but in reality you could be doing it more often if you run out of credit in less than a month*. *provided your credit expires monthly

buying iphones outright is doing it wrong. They put a premium on the outright purchases to subsidise the much much cheaper contract phones, so if you buy it outright you are helping to pay for some other pricks phone who went with a contract.
What is the typical minimum cost of an iPhone on a contract here ? Aren't they usually like 24 months at $60/month?

I pay $12 per month over 24 months for the handset, so my iPhone 3G was only $288. I also pay $49 for a plan though, so even though the plan is apparently just for usage costs, this is obviously bulls*** because the more expensive the plan the less the handset repayments.
I don't get it, it's not really an upgrade if you have a 3GS

I haven't used a 3GS, but I guess the biggest attraction would be the better res and video recording.
So its almost as good as my HTC Desire, except still full of apple's closed, proprietary bulls***. Yawn.

Serious question - can you sync the Desire with iTunes?
BillyHardball
Posted 09:32am 08/6/10
I'm an apple fanboi but I can't see the value in this at all

I'm still using the 3G, so it's very appealing for me.
tequila
Posted 09:33am 08/6/10
yeah I can see that, the only reason I'd consider this is because my mrs still has an 8GB 3G, so I could give her my 3GS and get a 4G - but it doesn't do much for me

At least when I went from the 3G to the 3GS I got a fair few improvements, this thing doesn't even let you make video calls unless it's iPhone <-> iPhone over wifi .. despite having a front camera
ravn0s
Posted 09:35am 08/6/10
meh im happy with my 3gs.
BillyHardball
Posted 09:36am 08/6/10
yeah I can see that, the only reason I'd consider this is because my mrs still has an 8GB 3G, so I could give her my 3GS and get a 4G - but it doesn't do much for me

At least when I went from the 3G to the 3GS I got a fair few improvements, this thing doesn't even let you make video calls unless it's iPhone <-> iPhone over wifi .. despite having a front camera

The other kicker for people like me with just a 3G is that we can't run the full features of OS 4.0. As for the video calling - I thought this was a good move on Apples part so that the telcos don't try to charge $5/min just to use the feature.

Ohhh.. it's only iPhone to iPhone? haha go Apple.
trog
Posted 09:39am 08/6/10
I pay $12 per month over 24 months for the handset, so my iPhone 3G was only $288. I also pay $49 for a plan though, so even though the plan is apparently just for usage costs, this is obviously bulls*** because the more expensive the plan the less the handset repayments.
Right, so thinking your iPhone was only $288 is just how the phone companies delude you into spending more money than you otherwise would have. This was the business model that Google tried to destroy with their plan to sell the Nexus One outright directly, but it failed because people are simply not wired to think about phones in terms of buying them up-front, even though (as far as I can tell from examples like iToms) it should almost always be cheaper. iTom would almost have to double his monthly spend before exceeded the cost of the contract plan, but because you don't have to pay that big upfront wad, people go for the contract option.

I don't think its a bad system, other than it seems to give people this weird sense that contract phones are somehow cheaper and it appears to be completely wasteful as people get new phones every 2 years, but if you like having new phones its a pretty cool system they're offering.
ara
Posted 09:49am 08/6/10

You can thank Apple for kickstarting the mobile Internet, touch screen and tablet era.


lol at the troll.

the first iphone wasn't even 3g, remember? but im sure you still lapped it up.
Cubanpete
Posted 09:51am 08/6/10
Whats speaker sound quality like on iphone?

I was using a blackberry recently and couldn't believe how much clearer it was to my pos Samsung Omnia.
3dee
Posted 09:51am 08/6/10
"FaceTime" (terrible name) is iPhone 4 only at the moment. I think they're working carriers for something. Hell, no one uses video calling so maybe they're trying to get all the pieces right, not just the phone part. While I can't see myself video calling much at all, I suspect Apple may do another "kickstart" if they do it right. They seem good at kicking the mobile industry in the ass and getting people to move on with things.
TicMan
Posted 09:55am 08/6/10
Looks like a very nice phone if you don't already have a 3GS or Android.
groganus
Posted 10:02am 08/6/10
im with vodafone atm, just upgraded from a 3g to a 3gs a couple of months ago...

however the last week vodafones reception has been s***, reading whirlpool it seems like a heap of people are effected because basically there network can not cope with its current user base, and they are not upgrading it till after x-mas...

in any event im hoping this gives me enough power to push my way out of my commitments with them.
BillyHardball
Posted 10:02am 08/6/10
I pay $12 per month over 24 months for the handset, so my iPhone 3G was only $288. I also pay $49 for a plan though, so even though the plan is apparently just for usage costs, this is obviously bulls*** because the more expensive the plan the less the handset repayments.
Right, so thinking your iPhone was only $288 is just how the phone companies delude you into spending more money than you otherwise would have. This was the business model that Google tried to destroy with their plan to sell the Nexus One outright directly, but it failed because people are simply not wired to think about phones in terms of buying them up-front, even though (as far as I can tell from examples like iToms) it should almost always be cheaper. iTom would almost have to double his monthly spend before exceeded the cost of the contract plan, but because you don't have to pay that big upfront wad, people go for the contract option.

I don't think its a bad system, other than it seems to give people this weird sense that contract phones are somehow cheaper and it appears to be completely wasteful as people get new phones every 2 years, but if you like having new phones its a pretty cool system they're offering.

Pretty sure iTom is comparing two different plans so his example isn't the best to go by. Take my specific case, I could have got the exact same iPhone plan without the handset repayments and no iPhone. Then, I could pay an extra $288 and get an iPhone.

Even now if you take a look at the Optus site, you can get an iPhone 3GS on a 49 plan with $12 handset repayments (link here but it may crash your browser as it did mine). As far as I can see, the most equivalent plan (but not even as good?) WITHOUT the iPhone is still 49 per month (here). So effectively the iPhone is only costing $288 over two years.

There are certainly thresholds though where it might become cheaper to buy the handset outright, but usually any plan that you would then go on that would save you money will probably have far less "value" than if you got the handset on a contract. The telcos have it all pretty well worked out to screw you over no matter which option you choose.
iTOM
Posted 10:03am 08/6/10
trog, id appreciate you refer to me as iTOM, rather than itom. i feel a lot more powerful that way.

billyh, i could go on the $49 telstra cap plan to have $300credit and 300mb data, but that incurs a $200 upfront fee.
total: $1376.

still $300 ahead my way, and i rarely run out of credit (had to spend an additional $20 over the course of a year). i monitor my usage becos im a good boi
BillyHardball
Posted 10:11am 08/6/10
That does sound like a better option, but I'm still skeptical that the 20 plan has the same value as the 49... telcos are nasty and I wouldn't be surprised if the $300 credit on the 20 plan has greater call costs compared to the 49 plan. Having said that, if you're not going over it's certainly a good choice.
glynd
Posted 10:12am 08/6/10
Serious question - can you sync the Desire with iTunes?

yep, there is a way to sync it itunes ... but why itunes when you can DoubleTwist? has full access to amazon music, android market and even imports everything from itunes. even detects what device you plug into your computer and converts the music to suit the device.
sparrow
Posted 10:13am 08/6/10
As far as I can tell, plans are only useful for people who need a large cap/phone bill. I could've got the desire for like, $79/month? Which is around $1800/24 months. Instead I got the nexus upfront for $610, and I'm on a $19 cap ($50 calls) + $10 for 350mb data/month, which is only around $1300/24 months.

I think new iPhone looks fine, but it's similar to most of the other smart phones out now, so it doesn't have much of an advantage, other than being made by apple I would've thought.
BillyHardball
Posted 10:13am 08/6/10
Serious question - can you sync the Desire with iTunes?

yep, there is a way to sync it itunes ... but why itunes when you can DoubleTwist? has full access to amazon music, android market and even imports everything from itunes. even detects what device you plug into your computer and converts the music to suit the device.

I've used iTunes for 10 years now and it really is great to be able to just plug in my s*** and click a button that does everything I want it to. DoubleTwist sounds pretty good though - who's it made by and is it free?
HeardY
Posted 10:15am 08/6/10
Yeah I don't have a smart phone, so I am tempted to get this. 3 of my brothers have iphones and when I've used them they seem cool and easy to use.

My only concern is the itunes and close platform stuff, but to be honest I am hardly going to hax up software anyway. Plus there is a million apps that would more then likely have what I want/need anyway.

Wait and see what the pricing is like.

What are the main competitors? I've briefly used a HTC HD2 and thought it was pretty good as well. Haven't used any of the Nokia range, probably only n900 or n97 would interest me, or any Sony Ericsson ones nor any other HTC ones?
BillyHardball
Posted 10:17am 08/6/10
My only concern is the itunes and close platform stuff, but to be honest I am hardly going to hax up software anyway. Plus there is a million apps that would more then likely have what I want/need anyway.

People on these forums make a far far bigger deal out of this than anyone I know who uses an iPhone. You'll definitely notice at times that there's a minor feature you can't use, but overall you'll probably love it :D
glynd
Posted 10:19am 08/6/10
I've used iTunes for 10 years now and it really is great to be able to just plug in my s*** and click a button that does everything I want it to. DoubleTwist sounds pretty good though - who's it made by and is it free?


if you're using an iphone, stick with itunes. switching to android? you'll feel at home with doubletwist. pretty much the same thing. plug it in and it takes care of everything. music, podcasts, movies, etc. layout is exactly the same and has pretty much all the features you want from itunes. wasn't having a dig at itunes, it's just doubletwist pretty much is itunes for android.

they've just released a media player for android itself with a widget coming really soon.

http://www.doubletwist.com/dt/Home/Index.dt
Hogfather
Posted 10:20am 08/6/10
Anyone notice their iphone repeating tracks when its on random? Drives me crazy when it happens, and with a few hundred tracks on there it should be massively rare even if they don't do the sensible thing and make NEXT TRACK <> LAST TRACK

Looks like a nice phone, will get one when my next contract is up. Won't rush uot and buy buy buy now.

BTW, can you plug Android phones into TVs?
Opec
Posted 10:20am 08/6/10
Yeah I don't have a smart phone, so I am tempted to get this. 3 of my brothers have iphones and when I've used them they seem cool and easy to use.

My only concern is the itunes and close platform stuff, but to be honest I am hardly going to hax up software anyway. Plus there is a million apps that would more then likely have what I want/need anyway.

Wait and see what the pricing is like.

What are the main competitors? I've briefly used a HTC HD2 and thought it was pretty good as well. Haven't used any of the Nokia range, probably only n900 or n97 would interest me, or any Sony Ericsson ones nor any other HTC ones?


iPhone is a perfect "smart" phone for newbie like you Heards LOL :)
glynd
Posted 10:22am 08/6/10


BTW, can you plug Android phones into TVs?


if the phone has a TV out plug. (i.e HTC evo has a hdmi output)
sparrow
Posted 10:22am 08/6/10
if you're using an iphone, stick with itunes. switching to android? you'll feel at home with doubletwist. pretty much the same thing. plug it in and it takes care of everything. music, podcasts, movies, etc. layout is exactly the same and has pretty much all the features you want from itunes. wasn't having a dig at itunes, it's just doubletwist pretty much is itunes for android.

they've just released a media player for android itself with a widget coming really soon.

This would be awesome - while the nexus media player isn't bad, there are a few features I wouldn't mind having.

HeardY - I'd say the main competitor for iPhone now in Australia is the HTC Desire. They pretty much both do the same things, with only minor differences.
deadlyf
Posted 10:23am 08/6/10
no way... outright and prepaid is the way to go, providing you get a good deal:
I'm speaking specifically about iphones, not HTC or anything else. I bought my phone outright as well.

Like Billy already pointed out, iphones are very cheap on plans despite the fact that they cost $200-$300 more when purchasing outright compared to their competitors. Or at least they were when I checked last year, by now perhaps other phones are doing the same.
Opec
Posted 10:23am 08/6/10
Anyone notice their iphone repeating tracks when its on random? Drives me crazy when it happens, and with a few hundred tracks on there it should be massively rare even if they don't do the sensible thing and make NEXT TRACK <> LAST TRACK

Looks like a nice phone, will get one when my next contract is up. Won't rush uot and buy buy buy now.

BTW, can you plug Android phones into TVs?


Yes. HTC EVO 4G has HDMI out. BAM in your face apple.
trog
Posted 10:23am 08/6/10
DoubleTwist sounds pretty good though - who's it made by and is it free?
DoubleTwist is made by the infamous Internet bandit, JON LECH JOHANSEN, aka DVD Jon. He is an Internet freedom fighter and therefore Apple hates his guts (and therefore, I think he is awesome, because if it annoys Apple, you can safely bet it's good for consumers). You can use DoubleTwist with the iPod/iPhone as well.
HeardY
Posted 10:28am 08/6/10
haha Opec, can you imagine the 'help me with my iphone' threads ;)

Yeah it seems nice and newb friendly, realistically I am only going to use whatever phone I get for intertubes, I don't use any of the functionality on my crappy old nokia at the moment, I literally make calls and send texts.... so the net will be good.

I am a believer in having a camera if I want to take pictures i.e. a phone camera is just that a PHONE first and camera second, the optics can't be as good as a camera! However 5mp for the 'just in case' occasions is always good to have.
molokoplus
Posted 10:28am 08/6/10
lol Apple
is this site turning into Gizmodo
Khel
Posted 10:37am 08/6/10
billyh, i could go on the $49 telstra cap plan to have $300credit and 300mb data, but that incurs a $200 upfront fee.


Well I'm sure thats negotiable, cos I got the $79 a month plan, and not only was there not an upfront cost, but JB Hifi actually gave ME $200. That gives me I think $700 of calls and 500mb of data, which is handy to have since I don't actually have a home phone, I just use my mobile for everything.

I was intending on buying the phone up front and keeping my current plan, but the telstra plans were actually better value than what I was already on, plus I get the new phone included for no extra cost. Seemed silly to not go on a plan.
HeardY
Posted 10:37am 08/6/10
haha watch the vid from here - http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/iphone/apple-unveils-nextgeneration-iphone-20100608-xr4d.html?autostart=1

Listen to the fanboi's whooping and clapping at every single feature!!

p.s. video calling has been available for YEARS on other phones, it hardly seems like a revolutionary addition to the phone!
Alize`
Posted 10:43am 08/6/10
My 3G contract runs out in January so that's when I'm going to be looking for a new phone. Hopefully something better is out by then... if not it looks like this will be the upgrade.

I'm on a plan and I have this phobia about direct debits coming out of my bank account so I paid my Dad $1800 and now I just use the $520 and 1GB data - don't receive any bills and haven't gone over. I didn't know prepaid had data included. I remember it used to cost bulls*** amounts when you wanted to look up movie times or something on prepaid so I stayed clear. How useless would an iPhone be without the internet....
Opec
Posted 10:49am 08/6/10
haha Opec, can you imagine the 'help me with my iphone' threads ;)

Yeah it seems nice and newb friendly, realistically I am only going to use whatever phone I get for intertubes, I don't use any of the functionality on my crappy old nokia at the moment, I literally make calls and send texts.... so the net will be good.

I am a believer in having a camera if I want to take pictures i.e. a phone camera is just that a PHONE first and camera second, the optics can't be as good as a camera! However 5mp for the 'just in case' occasions is always good to have.


All jokes aside, all new phones do that but, the execution of these things is always what separates them. Tech. for all of these things have been available for years but nobody seems to be able to put them together properly until Apple recently.

Apple has the lead in this department with their all draconian control over everything (good and bad) which basically gives the end users a very uniform experience - perfect for people that just don't care about the nitty gritty i.e. 90% of the consumers. This is why every new iPhone just seems to be small increments of improvements in particular hardware.

New high density IPS panel is probably the biggest hardware edge over other HTC out there, other than that, it's pretty boring hardware wise really (5mp camera and front facing camera?? I mean really.......welcome to 3 years ago). Even their new iOS4 is a small evolution of the old platform - a good platform to be sure but multi tasking, video calling ? I mean seriously nothing to see here folks.

But that's not what people that buys Apple products care about, fair enough. Personally I prefer to get more bang for my hard earn dollar and I don't want to be locked into Apple's draconian walled garden so I chose not to buy any Apple products.

Android is catching up with Apple and excels in a lot of areas - hardware spec for one, UI is getting there etc. If you're already using iTunes & iPod it makes perfect sense that you'd stick with Apple centric hardware.
Raven
Posted 10:50am 08/6/10
32GB should be enough for anybody.

Paper launch. Zzzzzz.
3dee
Posted 10:52am 08/6/10
Bang for buck for me is a quality operating system. One where all the features that *are* included are of consistent quality. As Opec said, this is where Apple leads and why after four years the iPhone still has it's reputation as the "one phone everyone else is trying to beat".
HeardY
Posted 11:04am 08/6/10
Engaget have a 'hands on' review - http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-first-hands-on/

and so do ars technica - http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/06/ars-at-wwdc-2010-hands-on-with-the-new-iphone-4.ars

I must admit it looks sexy and now I want one!!
TiT
Posted 12:19pm 08/6/10
I am getting one... But do wish it was 64gb like my iPad :)
groganus
Posted 12:29pm 08/6/10
just got ios 4.0 dev on my 3Gs.

Much more stable then the beta's


TiT
Posted 12:42pm 08/6/10
does it run fine on your 3Gs or is quite slow compare to ios 3?
Martz
Posted 01:03pm 08/6/10
I just had another look at the specs and is there anything really that awesome about it?? LED Flash is about the only real practical feature.. Otherwise I'm gunna probably stick with my 3GS and wait for the next gen 5G or whateva it's gonna be.
d^
Posted 01:15pm 08/6/10
Going to uninstall itunes tonight and give that DoubleTwist a shot with my ipod.
Spook
Posted 01:29pm 08/6/10
Serious question - can you sync the Desire with iTunes?

why would you ever wnat to do that!?
groganus
Posted 01:32pm 08/6/10
does it run fine on your 3Gs or is quite slow compare to ios 3?


yeah, beta ran fine, much faster then os 3. I dont notice any slow downs when i have heaps of apps open at once either. the dev release is just as fast as the beta if not faster.
eski
Posted 01:37pm 08/6/10
The best part of Apple is their marketing dept.

Releasing average tech with awful DRM, marketing it like its the greatest thing since sliced bread, turning uneducated morons with more dollars than sense into the largest part of the tech market. It was always going to happen but theyre still a pack of c****.
TufNuT
Posted 01:47pm 08/6/10
Serious question - can you sync the Desire with iTunes?


Yes there are a few different software packages out there, i use http://www.salling.com/ its free for personal use..
Twisted
Posted 01:49pm 08/6/10
You can thank Apple for kickstarting the mobile Internet
Mobile Internet, no. It was well under way. Touch screen mobile devices, yes. They definitely kick started that.
`ViPER`
Posted 01:53pm 08/6/10
Mobile Internet, no. It was well under way.


Well yeah it kinda was on its way, I had several different windows mobiles, an n95 and used blackberry's they all had access to the internet but it wasnt a very good user experience.

The iphone was the first phone that I used that actualy made mobile internet usuable.
do0b
Posted 01:56pm 08/6/10
hehe my motorola was making video calls and multi-tasking in 2003 =/

Python
Posted 02:10pm 08/6/10
Opec
Posted 02:31pm 08/6/10
LOL Pyth
glynd
Posted 02:40pm 08/6/10
thats f*****g hilarious
sparrow
Posted 02:43pm 08/6/10
That's just f*****g creepy, is what it is
ara
Posted 02:45pm 08/6/10

haha.
Hogfather
Posted 02:51pm 08/6/10
hahah awesome
HeardY
Posted 02:51pm 08/6/10
haha pyf wins!
kr0wb4r
Posted 02:58pm 08/6/10
I am with 3 at the moment, and by the time this is released my phone will a few months away from the end of a 24 month contract.

I'm pretty keen to get one of these, I've been using an old brick as the one on the contract was dropped in a glass of vodka, hehehe, and an Iphone 4 would be a massive upgrade for me. I've been with 3 for my last 3 24 month contracts, and have never had any problems whatsoever. What I'd like to know is do any of you have an Iphone on 3, is it good/bad? what are the data rates like, or would I be better off with another carrier? All of my family is with 3 so I enjoy the free to 3 thing alot.
ara
Posted 03:08pm 08/6/10
when the first iphone came out here it was pretty good, but these days i would be looking seriously at the competition before just getting another iphone.

daily i am annoyed with stupid s*** on the iphone that just bugs me. stupid stuff that people just overlook and put up with because it is an apple product.

Combined with Apple's holyer then thou attitude to developers and other companies. They have become what they always critisied MS for, a bully.



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TiT
Posted 03:09pm 08/6/10
I'm with 3 and all my company is with 3 they all have iphones including me. We havent had any issues.. a few ppl and weird locations in brisbane said they have trouble sometimes getting reception, but it normally just roams to telstra network. With data havent found it that bad as i dont go out of city much. But i dont think 50cents a mb is that much as if i need it would only be for checking email etc and not downloading huge files or apps.
do0b
Posted 03:38pm 08/6/10
kr0wb4r
Posted 03:43pm 08/6/10
TiT, I guess I'd just be using it to check email, facebook, and the occasional photo upload to facebook.

Shouldn't break the bank right?
3dee
Posted 03:52pm 08/6/10
The iphone was the first phone that I used that actualy made mobile internet usuable.

And pushed carriers to start dishing out data in decent amounts. Browsers were terrible back then. Hell, all the phones I had, smartphone or not, I hardly even used most of their features because they were *terrible*.
Midda
Posted 05:22pm 08/6/10
And that means we should only ever use Apple's products, because they must be better.
BillyHardball
Posted 05:25pm 08/6/10
And that means we should only ever use Apple's products, because they must be better.

I don't think that's what 3dee is saying at all - I think his point is that if you can't acknowledge the iPhone has at least been good for sparking some real change in the mobile department you're retarded.
exo
Posted 06:21pm 08/6/10
buying iphones outright is doing it wrong. They put a premium on the outright purchases to subsidise the much much cheaper contract phones, so if you buy it outright you are helping to pay for some other pricks phone who went with a contract.

Soo...buy it direct from Apple, unlocked, and don't subsidise anybody?
do0b
Posted 06:33pm 08/6/10
sony phones were internet usable far before iturds
Twisted
Posted 06:49pm 08/6/10
And pushed carriers to start dishing out data in decent amounts. Browsers were terrible back then. Hell, all the phones I had, smartphone or not, I hardly even used most of their features because they were *terrible*.
I guess you're right. I mean Japan only started using 3G enabled Internet phones in 2001 and by 2004 they had a mere 50 million mobile phone Internet users. The figures clearly show that Apple pushed the envelope.
groganus
Posted 06:58pm 08/6/10
LAME!

ios 4.0 master wont let me sync my music cause it want's itunes 9.2 which has only been released for dev's on macs.


FAIL!.

tried syncing with winamp pluggin, but that keeps crashing.
need museak
3dee
Posted 07:09pm 08/6/10
More like groganus fail at using beta software.
Nathan
Posted 07:14pm 08/6/10
Opec speaks the truth.

Its a perfectly good phone, but anyone who posts here presumedly has half a clue technically and should be looking to get the most out of their phone. HELLO USB DISK?!

Maybe iphone is one of those things you have to own at least once to realise why you dont want it in the future.
3dee
Posted 07:19pm 08/6/10
I mean Japan only started using 3G enabled Internet phones in 2001

We're not Japan.

I don't care what phone anyone else uses and I certainly don't bother with paying anyone out for using a certain brand of anything. People who are so arrogant that they have to pay out someone because they prefer Apple devices needs to grow up.

I use Apple devices not because they're "cool" or "shiny" but because they have one of the best user experiences on a mobile device despite the missing (and annoyingly missing) features. I go back to Apple because when they do something, even two years late, they do it better than many other alternatives and for me that's what matters.

I had smartphones before the iPhone that had many, many more features than the iPhone even has today, but I never wanted to use them because they were done so poorly that it wasn't even worth the time.

I'm sure an Android phone would now suit me fine too, but I prefer the more consistent user experience and design of iOS, not to mention I'm already setup (with iTunes and the like) that the iPhone is an easy choice.

It doesn't matter if you think it's "just a shiny toy", the fact is that it's a legitimately well designed and useful smartphone that many people haven't even tried before they start throwing insults at users of the device.
3dee
Posted 07:22pm 08/6/10
Opec speaks the truth.

Its a perfectly good phone, but anyone who posts here presumedly has half a clue technically and should be looking to get the most out of their phone. HELLO USB DISK?!

Maybe iphone is one of those things you have to own at least once to realise why you dont want it in the future.

See, more random anti-Apple subjective blabber.

I don't care about it not being a USB storage device. Doesn't mean it's a novelty device. As well, why do they keep selling millions of the things, year on year if it's a "try once not again" device. Many people I know wondered why they ever didn't get one in the first place.

You don't need or want one, so don't bother the people who do?
Nathan
Posted 07:34pm 08/6/10
As well, why do they keep selling millions of the things, year on year if it's a "try once not again" device.

I explicitly discounted "everybody" by mentioning technical clues. I "It must be good because everyone watches/listens/buys it" is meaningless, since I'm not telling the whole world to reconsider. Only the people reading this thread.

See, more random anti-Apple subjective blabber.

There's nothing subjective about it. Anyone who is interested in IT will be better served by an Android device, end of discussion. It has more technical capabilities, that is not a subjective issue. Nor did I mention Apple.

I don't care about it not being a USB storage device

And iPad's document sharing mechanism is all awesome too.

You don't need or want one, so don't bother the people who do?

Because there's people in this thread considering buying an iphone for the first time, when as technically capable users they will almost certainly be better off with an alternative.
Spook
Posted 07:35pm 08/6/10
easy nathan, you are going to hurt 3dees feelings with all those facts
Nathan
Posted 07:42pm 08/6/10
The weird thing is all Apple would have to to do is

1) allow some alternative mechanism for installing apps they dont like (replacement music players,dashboards, email clients, etc) and
2) let us write files to the iPhone disk

and there would honestly be no reason to consider any other phone.
3dee
Posted 07:44pm 08/6/10
If the iPhone doesn't suit, then get the one that does?
do0b
Posted 07:47pm 08/6/10
the single biggest problem with apple is it creates closed systems which goes against everything the industry has worked towards for the last 30+ years. so f*** you to anyone who supports this sell out company and their aweful products :)
Charlie
Posted 07:47pm 08/6/10
The weird thing is all Apple would have to to do is

1) allow some alternative mechanism for installing apps they dont like (replacement music players,dashboards, email clients, etc) and
2) let us write files to the iPhone disk

and there would honestly be no reason to consider any other phone.


A technamalogically savvy user would be able to figure out how to do that for them self.
Nathan
Posted 07:50pm 08/6/10
If the iPhone doesn't suit, then get the one that does?

Hopefully threads like this can educate people before purchasing an iPhone 4.

If people are aware of the limitations and are fine with it then that's fine, but when there's so many threads on this board over the years discussing web browsers, email clients, music players, desktop customizations, and so on it - can be a rude shock when you land on iPhone and its Apple's way or the highway.
Nathan
Posted 07:52pm 08/6/10
A technamalogically savvy user would be able to figure out how to do that for them self.


Yes they would. You might recall I even wrote an article about how to jailbreak your iPhone, until the AusGamers lawyers concluded it was illegal and we took the article down.

You should not have to break the law to use your phone the way you want.
do0b
Posted 07:58pm 08/6/10





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Thundercracker
Posted 07:57pm 08/6/10
Many times in the past closed systems have lost to more open standards. Closed systems only seem to be able to thrive when competition is poor. For a long time, the iPhone had no comparison. Now that other phones are starting to really catch up, many other manufacturers will adopt the more open approach to oppose Apple. What will be interesting to see is if Apple change to match the market, or keep to their guns.

Apple cites "open standards" as to why they want to use HTML5 instead of Adobe flash. Which is hilarious coming from Apple. But of course its going nothing to do with standards or being open. It's about not letting Adobe jump on the bandwagon.
HeardY
Posted 08:00pm 08/6/10
umm that's seth rogan and it's a sound bite added to the clip
Twisted
Posted 08:09pm 08/6/10
We're not Japan.
I guess we're not, but how does this validate what you said? This is the Interwebs (you know that thing Apple pioneered...oh wait) so expect people to call you out when you say something like "Apple kick started the mobile Internet industry" or at least be more specific like..."Apple kick started the mobile Internet industry in Australia, because you know as a consumer market it was a key target for the world's tech companies".
I don't care what phone anyone else uses and I certainly don't bother with paying anyone out for using a certain brand of anything. People who are so arrogant that they have to pay out someone because they prefer Apple devices needs to grow up.
Well I certainly wasn't bagging people who use iPhones, so I'll assume you were directing that at someone else :) Apple found a hole in the US/EU market and filled it. Good business.

Also be less fan boy. We're talking about an evil mega corporation, not f*****g your mother/brother/sister, stealing your beer and kicking your dog on the way out.
groganus
Posted 08:09pm 08/6/10
More like groganus fail at using beta software.


You noob. its not beta... its ios 4.0 master... aka its exactly what will be released to the public.. just dev's got it first... so they can write apps for it....
3dee
Posted 08:21pm 08/6/10
@groganus its a release *candidate* and still Mac / developer only.
3dee
Posted 08:20pm 08/6/10
We're talking about an evil mega corporation

Just because I prefer Apple's products doesn't mean I like Apple.

I guess we're not, but how does this validate what you said?

Well yes, I meant the places (US, Australia etc etc) where the mobile internet / data pricing was balls.
Khel
Posted 08:24pm 08/6/10
As well, why do they keep selling millions of the things, year on year if it's a "try once not again" device.


I think, at least in my experience, a large part of it is that people don't know theres better alternatives. I've only had my Desire for a couple of weeks, and already like on 3 or 4 separate occasions, I have shown it off to people who didn't even know something like that existed. I tell them it does everything an Iphone does, and has all the feature of an iphone plus more, and they don't believe me. Then I whip it out and show them and they're genuinely impressed/suprised.

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing the Iphone really pushed the envelope with was its user friendly interface. I'm willing to give credit where credit is due for that, cos 3dee was right, browsers and stuff on smartphones in the past were an absolute pain in the ass to use, clunky interfaces were probably the biggest thing holding smart phones back imo and keeping them out of reach of the average consumer. But now with phones like the Desire basically having that exact same interface but packing more features under the hood, I couldn't in good faith recommend anyone I know to get an Iphone, and I'll be educating as many people as I can on the benefits of picking up an Android phone instead :)
t
Posted 08:26pm 08/6/10
Seth Rogan is a drongo.

Got a question to you iphone fanboys can you download an educational DivX movie or grab it from a friend, plug your device in and transfer it over, then watch it on the way home without reconverting it?

That is something I have been able to do since 2003 on my sony clie, and if possible on an iphone, would make this latest iphone 4 be the first one that is actually technically interesting to me due to its screen.
f**les
Posted 08:32pm 08/6/10
Wow 3dee, I like the part in your arguments where you used all those facts. :)
3dee
Posted 08:41pm 08/6/10
But now with phones like the Desire basically having that exact same interface but packing more features under the hood, I couldn't in good faith recommend anyone I know to get an Iphone, and I'll be educating as many people as I can on the benefits of picking up an Android phone instead :)

And I totally agree. I actually considered going to Android recently as there's a heap of awesome things in the latest versions, things that would make the iPhone 4 more formidable competition.

The problem here is that you have all these people who come in and basically insult everyone considering getting the iPhone *simply* because it's made by Apple, not actually having ever used one or just considering the fact that maybe people want the iPhone because of what it does not what [x] other phone has or does. It has nothing to do with the existence of Android. Personally, I made my choice to stick with the iPhone ecosystem because I already have everything setup with my Mac and the new upgrade is actually pretty good (the hi-res screen and 720p video recording / editing being the major things I'm looking at) and in the end, I prefer the way Apple does things in their software and hardware.

I don't go flying into Android threads guns a-blazing with insults and Google hate every time someone makes a new thread about it, is what I'm saying.
Charlie
Posted 08:41pm 08/6/10
You should not have to break the law to use your phone the way you want.


Pretty sure it's not *breaking the law*. It's breaking an agreement.
BillyHardball
Posted 08:51pm 08/6/10
Seth Rogan is a drongo.

Got a question to you iphone fanboys can you download an educational DivX movie or grab it from a friend, plug your device in and transfer it over, then watch it on the way home without reconverting it?

That is something I have been able to do since 2003 on my sony clie, and if possible on an iphone, would make this latest iphone 4 be the first one that is actually technically interesting to me due to its screen.

As far as playing unconverted divx, the answer is NO. But what's an educational movie? iTunes has iTunes U, which is f*****g awesome and reshaping higher education content.
Spook
Posted 08:55pm 08/6/10
sup billy, itunes is far from awesome, fyi
Eds
Posted 08:59pm 08/6/10
if you had an iPhone and mobile me you would have found the phone you lost in the cab spook :P
Spook
Posted 09:02pm 08/6/10
i could have done it with a crackberry also, if it wasnt work locked down
Persay
Posted 09:12pm 08/6/10
any prices for this on plans yet? keenish
3dee
Posted 09:12pm 08/6/10
The "fact" is that not everyone is a Linux wielding uber-nerd IT guru. I'm a programmer and web developer yet I don't "need" all these supposed "techie people" needs.
t
Posted 09:15pm 08/6/10
What, do people download .avis for non-educational purposes? Strike me down!
ara
Posted 11:46pm 08/6/10
If the iPhone doesn't suit, then get the one that does?


im pretty sure that is what nathan was implying, and giving reasons why it might not suit people considering it.

3dee, you are the one arcing up here. try to be a bit less defensive of the iphone already. why should you personally care what people say about apple's phone? this is what i don't get about apple fanboys, and why they are labeled such, they take any slight against apple personally.

for years microsoft users would take digs at microsoft, yet for an apple user this seems to be a big no-no. why is that? apple users need to lighten up, after all they are the ones saying "apple has won".
Midda
Posted 12:26am 09/6/10
I think, at least in my experience, a large part of it is that people don't know theres better alternatives. I've only had my Desire for a couple of weeks, and already like on 3 or 4 separate occasions, I have shown it off to people who didn't even know something like that existed. I tell them it does everything an Iphone does, and has all the feature of an iphone plus more, and they don't believe me. Then I whip it out and show them and they're genuinely impressed/suprised.

I think that's the most of it. People just don't know about the alternatives, because Apple market the s*** out of their products. I've read that in the US, when the Motorola Droid came out, it sold more in its first week than the iPhone did in its first week, and this is largely because Verizon made it so you couldn't turn on your TV/radio without being smacked in the face with an advertisement. It's largely about marketing, and Apple knows this.

I predict that there will now be a big emphasis on video-calling, with people giving the credit to Apple, even though it's been readily available and very easy to use for half a decade now. Although, I've also read that the new iPhone will only let you do it on Wifi, so if that's the case, maybe not.
Infidel
Posted 01:30am 09/6/10
I'll be getting it only for the fact that my iphone's spaker doesnt work so I can't hear ringtones or the alarm ... some moisture damage, no idea how it ever happened. Next time should get insurance on that s***.
skythra
Posted 01:48am 09/6/10


3.5in (88.9mm)960x6406144002:3326phone display, Apple iPhone 4
3.0in (76.2mm)4808003840003:5311phone display, Toshiba Portege G900, Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1
3.2in (81.3mm)4808003840003:5292phone display, HTC Touch Diamond2


Kind of cool. Also pre-paid vs post-paid is a very subjective thing.

For example - if i got a postpaid 3g iphone a while back, i could have sold it for 700 dollars "as new" and had a 24 month contract which costs 49 per month for 300mb data and the rest but subsidised for 29 dollars a month (700/12=29.16) making the cost of the plan only 20 dollars a month..

Meaning if i was happy with my phone (my samsung omnia) then i would have been able to come up with a plan that was cheaper overall than either option. Plus time value of money means that 700 today is worth more than 700 over a course of 2 years. So i win there too.

Edit: Note that i decided to keep both phones so in actuality i lost. I should have sold the omnia back then for 300 dollars and bought a camera to make up for how bad the iphone was :(
Target
Posted 02:19am 09/6/10
quote by 3dee (because the quote feature is broken): I had smartphones before the iPhone that had many, many more features than the iPhone even has today, but I never wanted to use them because they were done so poorly that it wasn't even worth the time.

My thoughts exactly.
I have a phone which can do probably 95% of what an iPhone can do. Know what I use it for? Calls, texts, and alarms / reminders because it's really bloody loud, and I try to avoid even that where possible. It can't even use my wireless internet since I enabled WPA even though it can connect to the network and get an IP. Probably a software update would fix this... but the maker hasn't seen fit to release one for the Australian version of the phone. Yay.

For EVERYTHING else I use my iPod Touch, because the people who designed the iPod Touch interface weren't drooling idiots. It's quite consistent, pretty, and easy and enjoyable to use. Not perfect, but way better than virtually everything else I've seen.

My _mother_ can use it, and my mother can't use any electronic device more complicated than a microwave. In fact, she forgot how to use her microwave which has just two dials and two buttons (time / power, start / open), and had to be reminded how to use it again.

By the way, I don't like Apple. I think they're control freaks who charge too much for their products.
However I also think they do some things right which almost nobody else seems to be able to do.

I also dislike iTunes bigtime largely due to its tendency to silently fail to import items for no apparent reason, and also its pickiness with formats. I've yet to find a good way to get videos onto my iPod - every encoder I've found either crashes constantly, produces horrible-sounding audio (Videora iPod Converter), or is incapable of doing the most basic functions (don't change the damn aspect ratio) without an advanced degree in command line switches and the like.

Most of my mates hate anything and everything just because Apple makes it, and love to babble about how their phone did everything the iPhone did before the iPhone came out, but they wouldn't know a good user interface if they fell over it, and as far as I can tell they don't care in the slightest.
They're totally blind to anything other than tech specs and "can it run Linux?".
While this isn't really a problem, they seem incapable of absorbing the concept that not everyone, and in fact hardly anyone, has the same priorities they do. Most people just want to use the damn thing, not spend days or weeks hacking it and reinstalling / rewriting the software.

I'm planning on buying one of them a Zune as a practical joke purely because a) it's Microsoft, and b) it can't run Linux. I think his brain will explode.

A little background on me: I'm a computer technician and gadget afficionado with a strong preference for things that work and don't require a stupidly large amount of messing around just to get basic stuff done.
t
Posted 02:42am 09/6/10
Interesting thoughts, Target. Conversely, I find the iphone os to be quite lethargic and to place too much emphasis on eye-candy when compared with the palm os I have been using since 2003 and which existed many years prior.

Although the iphone os obviously benefits from technology advances like a multi-touch screen, I found that often too many steps are required to perform simple functions.

Of course, my use patterns may not be typical. But I can't stand by and watch you wax lyrical about how revolutionary and user-friendly the iphone os is when the "Zen of Palm" preceded it so comprehensively.
Target
Posted 04:35am 09/6/10
Agree with you there, it could be a bit faster.
BillyHardball
Posted 06:47am 09/6/10
Target, use Handbrake to convert movies. It's frickin awesome.
Spook
Posted 07:06am 09/6/10
is there a phone that you dont have to convert moofies to watch?

having to convert media to watch it, is automatic fail
BillyHardball
Posted 08:39am 09/6/10
Why would you need to convert movies when there's the iTunes store?

<3
Nathan
Posted 08:59am 09/6/10
Pretty sure it's not *breaking the law*. It's breaking an agreement.


Lawyers concluded

* Apple's system of preventing arbitrarily installation of applications constitutes a copyright protection device
* Informing another party how to circumvent that copyright protection device (by "jailbreaking") is illegal under Australian Law.
* Except in very specific circumstances (none of which our article qualified for), It is still illegal even when there are substantial non-infringing uses.

And while not a conclusion in itself, Apple themselves have stated they consider jailbreaking to be a violation of their copyright.

Although perhaps you are referring to finding a defect in the iPhone's code and exploiting it yourself, which is legal, as long as you don't tell anyone else how you did it or provide any software for download that automates that process.

If you already own an iPhone then knock yourself out, but otherwise you would be crazy to buy a iphone planning to jailbreak when there's other manufacturers who will happily let you do what you want with your device.
BillyHardball
Posted 09:08am 09/6/10
If you already own an iPhone then knock yourself out, but otherwise you would be crazy to buy a iphone planning to jailbreak when there's other manufacturers who will happily let you do what you want with your device.

I thought even with Android phones you can't tether without some hax?
Nathan
Posted 09:27am 09/6/10
I thought even with Android phones you can't tether without some hax?


Prior to Android 2.2, you have to unlock ("root") your phone to install the tethering module.

However, doing so is not illegal (at least on Nexus One / HTC Desire - I'm not educated enough to say whether this is true of all Android phones) - the tools are on HTC's website for anyone to download and unlocking is a built in function of the phone.
trog
Posted 09:29am 09/6/10
is there a phone that you dont have to convert moofies to watch?

having to convert media to watch it, is automatic fail
nokia N900 seems to support most movie types out of the box, and if they dont work you can install mplayer
Hogfather
Posted 09:43am 09/6/10
A technamalogically savvy user would be able to figure out how to do that for them self.
Yes they would. You might recall I even wrote an article about how to jailbreak your iPhone, until the AusGamers lawyers concluded it was illegal and we took the article down.

You should not have to break the law to use your phone the way you want.

I'm curious - did the lawyers conclude jailbreaking was illegal, or did they advise you not to keep the content up because it could be more hassle than its worth to defend it?

I've had a few dealings with my solicitor in a corporate setting in the last few years (anyone who is in business inevitably does it seems). They very rarely speak in terms of what is actually illegal - its more generally a cost-benefit analysis in terms of the cost of litigation.
MatchFixah
Posted 09:55am 09/6/10
And I totally agree. I actually considered going to Android recently as there's a heap of awesome things in the latest versions, things that would make the iPhone 4 more formidable competition.

The problem here is that you have all these people who come in and basically insult everyone considering getting the iPhone *simply* because it's made by Apple, not actually having ever used one or just considering the fact that maybe people want the iPhone because of what it does not what [x] other phone has or does. It has nothing to do with the existence of Android. Personally, I made my choice to stick with the iPhone ecosystem because I already have everything setup with my Mac and the new upgrade is actually pretty good (the hi-res screen and 720p video recording / editing being the major things I'm looking at) and in the end, I prefer the way Apple does things in their software and hardware.
Sounds like something an Apple fanboi would say..
groganus
Posted 10:11am 09/6/10
meh i dont care for fanboyism, i see things i like and i generally want them, at first i though iphones would be lame, after using one for awhile i thought they were f*****g top s*** due to the fact (and as previously stated) that what they offered worked like charm.

I think most other apple products are wank, however after seeing a 27" imac sitting on a co-workers desk for a week, i gotta say it looks sexy and good to use and i wouldnt mind getting one for personal use to play around with.

In saying all of that... apple as a company have moments where i support eg.. those whole apple vs adobe thing.. and moments i think they are lame.. eg how restrictive the app store is and delays on australian release dates (why they wouldnt release at the same time here or even earlier blows my mind, as a country australia is a fantastic country to trial a release with.)
simul
Posted 11:03am 09/6/10
eg how restrictive the app store is


Well if you believe the keynote, the app store isn't restrictive. 90% of apps get through within 7 days. The others either have crashes, memory leaks, or they are using private APIs. So they aren't allowing s***** apps on, and with regards to private API's, a lot of stuff is becoming opened up so its less of a concern.

and delays on australian release dates (why they wouldnt release at the same time here or even earlier blows my mind, as a country australia is a fantastic country to trial a release with.)


Because of supply/demand, similar to the iPad. If they released in Aus at the same time there wouldn't be enough of them for initial supply.
tequila
Posted 11:14am 09/6/10
why dont they increase supply then?
if Australia wants it, that is extra demand = should be extra supply
taggs
Posted 11:17am 09/6/10
likely to be manufacturing constraints.

i would imagine that they are manufacturing at full capacity - to increase it would involve significant capital outlays.
konstie
Posted 12:44pm 09/6/10
why dont they increase supply then? if Australia wants it, that is extra demand = should be extra supply


likely to be manufacturing constraints. i would imagine that they are manufacturing at full capacity - to increase it would involve significant capital outlays.


this.

they can't just "release more". these things are made up of a large handful of parts which need to be built from seperate suppliers then shipped to another place to be put together and then shipped from there. if any of them have a shortage, an issue, or have a long lead-time to tool up and build, then it throws the whole chain off.

you can't simply ramp up supply, and to be honest I think they keep supply low(er) to keep the demand foaming at the mouth for more. that's purely speculative, and i have nothing to back myself up on that.
casa
Posted 01:01pm 09/6/10
I had a sony phone with the internet on it about 2 years before the iphone came out, AND i live in australia.
Thundercracker
Posted 01:15pm 09/6/10
Companies would never constrain supply to make the device seem more appealing. People made this same argument about the Wii's poor supply at release. The initial demand would be a fair bit higher at release, compared to when it settles down after a few months. It's not worth spending all that money to ramp up production just to satisfy the peak demand at the start.
Target
Posted 03:12pm 09/6/10
Thanks Billy, HandBrake seems to be working great. You da man!
As to why I'd have to convert movies, firstly I don't buy them from Apple because I like my stuff to be in a universally accessible format with no DRM, and secondly I can generally find stuff cheaper elsewhere. Plus they don't exactly have everything.
Also very few of the files I put on my iPod are movies - most of them are music videos, TV shows, YouTube videos, or porn.
3dee
Posted 03:29pm 09/6/10
The iPad sale rate would also be putting pressure on manufacturers too. Not the same parts, but the same companies would likely be manufacturing both devices. Considering Apple is selling an iPad on average every three seconds, I can't say it's surprising that supply is barely keeping up with demand.
konstie
Posted 03:36pm 09/6/10
Considering Apple is selling an iPad on average every three seconds, I can't say it's surprising that supply is barely keeping up with demand.


Source?
glynd
Posted 03:45pm 09/6/10
Considering Apple is selling an iPad on average every three seconds, I can't say it's surprising that supply is barely keeping up with demand.
Source?


http://gigaom.com/2010/06/07/ipad-at-wwdc-one-sold-every-3-seconds-ibooks-gains-adobe-pdf-support/
HeardY
Posted 03:47pm 09/6/10
they had sold 2 million units (iPad) within a month of it going on sale - I linked to the article in the other iPad thread
groganus
Posted 04:30pm 09/6/10
Well if you believe the keynote, the app store isn't restrictive. 90% of apps get through within 7 days. The others either have crashes, memory leaks, or they are using private APIs. So they aren't allowing s***** apps on, and with regards to private API's, a lot of stuff is becoming opened up so its less of a concern.


I believe that... i was talking more about the fact that they dont have 18+ content (where the f*** is my porn app already) and the fact they still wont release apps that are basically what google do but better (in saying that opera being released was a step in the right direction)

Because of supply/demand, similar to the iPad. If they released in Aus at the same time there wouldn't be enough of them for initial supply.


Delay everyone's release a month then release it world wide... duh.

Alternatively why give it to japan over us... whilst japan are earlier adopter and a large userbase.. they really only just got the iphone and i personally think the intake of version 4 would be slower there then here imo.

But what ev's at the end of the day i don't care about them as a company that much, just like i dont care about microsoft that much... as a consumer i wan't a quality product, i don't care who makes it.
Charlie
Posted 06:02pm 09/6/10
I had a sony phone with the internet on it about 2 years before the iphone came out, AND i live in australia.


And I bet it was horrible to browse on and horrible to read.
exo
Posted 06:20pm 09/6/10
i was talking more about the fact that they dont have 18+ content (where the f*** is my porn app already)

Safari.ipa
Nathan
Posted 06:32pm 09/6/10
Well if you believe the keynote, the app store isn't restrictive. 90% of apps get through within 7 days


I bet 90% of websites are accessible in China too.

I'm not crying censorship, just saying its a meaningless statistic.
skythra
Posted 07:23pm 09/6/10
i personally think the intake of version 4 would be slower there then here imo.

Thats a joke right?

Australia - 2010 estimate 22,376,839
Japan - 2010 estimate 127,380,000

Now rethink what you just said and try again.
groganus
Posted 08:19pm 09/6/10
no, you rethink what you just said and try again.
lightwave
Posted 02:58pm 13/6/10
im thinking of getting the htc desire on telstra but the fact that the apps only use the phone memory not the memory card seems a little limiting although with froyo it would be ok
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