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Post by trog @ 08:11pm 21/04/10 | 89 Comments
In a post on their forum, Blizzard have quietly let everyone know that they've smote over three hundred thousand Warcraft 3 and and Diablo 2 accounts for violations of the Terms of Use (presumably, cheating):
Weve recently banned over 320,000 Warcraft III and Diablo II accounts that were found to be violating the Battle.net Terms of Use. If this is a first offense, the CD key associated with the banned account will be suspended for 30 days, while repeat offenders will see their keys banned permanently. All account ban decisions are final.

We would like all players to remember that abuse of unintended mechanics and/or use of third party programs is a violation of the agreement made when signing on to Battle.net, and can subject your account to disciplinary action up to and including a permanent ban of its access to the service. These types of activities can severely impact the stability of our servers, and well continue to aggressively monitor Battle.net in order to protect the service and its players from the harmful effects of cheating.
So if you're in the market for either of these games, you probably want to avoid picking up an el cheapo second hand one off eBay for a while.



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Thundercracker
Posted 08:14pm 21/4/10
I find this recent round quite amusing. Reading a few threads on d2, it seems a lot of people have been running bots because apparently warden was turned off for a while after 1.13. I guess they turned it back on haha.
Nerfbringer
Posted 08:55pm 21/4/10
Like that it seems to have conveniently fallen -after- they sold a jillion digital horses for $25. Even moreso because the people buying accounts or gold are perhaps the most likely to be buying digital horsies. :P
Scooter
Posted 08:59pm 21/4/10
Looks like Nerfbringer is retarded.
WarCraft III and Diablo 2.

Pretty sure neither of those games come with Rainbow Horsies.
konstie
Posted 09:23pm 21/4/10
Zing! I haven't touched Dota since HoN
Eorl
Posted 09:40pm 21/4/10
Thought this was WoW accounts at first. Sorely disappointed :(
Reverend Evil
Posted 10:25pm 21/4/10
If my WoW account got banned I'd stop playing
Eorl
Posted 11:35pm 21/4/10
They'd only ban it if your obviously botting/hacking
Trauma
Posted 11:58pm 21/4/10
Really Rev, if you were banned you would stop playing, I never would have thought.
Tetsuo
Posted 12:22am 22/4/10
If you got banned Rev all i can say is, Karma is a b****?
gamer
Posted 08:52am 22/4/10
My fishing bot (wich simulates clicking the bobble when a fish gets is on the line) pulls in around 2-3k a day. It's not detectable (its an auto-it script - so no way for warden to detect it).

I've seen a $1000us auto it script that simulates pvp in alterac valley, complete with mounting your horse, combat (upt to 4 spells), looking around and moving with the group (if it doesnt find anyone around it just mounts and uses a set of waypoints to nagivate 'in the normal route to the AV bosses'. Then when it detects combat (name tag goes red) it then turns untill the target is in sight then starts the normal combat rotation of spells/attacks/abilities.

I saw this thing running when i asked for a quote on how much it costs and it was absolutly amazing. This dude had even configred 'defensive' rotations. So when the druid that it was playing was low on health it shifted out of form and started to heal itself. (Edit: then when the enemy/mob died, it drank/ate - he said it could level something to 80 using the set of preconfigured grinding locations in less then 4 weeks).

That blew me away. And isnt detectable since it just uses 'getpixel colour' and simulates keystrokes on a windowed 800x600 wow window btw.

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gamer
Posted 09:00am 22/4/10
You know the hardest thing about the fishing bot, was to develop a routine that could check what was just looted into inventory and if it was a crap fish then to drop it from your inventory but if it was a good fish, keep it.

I never thought that would be the hardest thing to do... but it's actually quite hard and required a small mod written that colour coded certain types of fish in my inventory, so auto it could pickup a red (throw out) or a green (keeper). Because you wont to only keep the expensive fish etc.

The other stuff I thought would be hard but actually went was stuff like re-applying the bobble and detecting when a fish was on etc.
Scooter
Posted 09:07am 22/4/10
I've never understood why people play a game, but never actually play the game and have scripts play it for them.

It's against the ToS and in a (somewhat) competitive game, it's cheating.
gamer
Posted 09:18am 22/4/10
Scooter, have you ever fished the amount of fish you need to supply 25 people with the best food in the game for 3-5 hours a night for 3-4 days a week?

There is nothing fun about that.

Have you ever grinded your 6th level 80 up?

Wow is one of the most fun games I've played (pve wise im referring to) however once you've done every quest in the games (literally over 10,000 quests) the eighth time, there is no fun left in it. Take my word for that (because I doubt you've even leveled two chars to 80 let alone a 6th).

That's not even mentioning the time sink required, anyone with kids and a 9-5 job doesnt have the time for. The few hours you do play per week you want to play stuff thats actually fun (not the same quest but for the 8th time). More like staying 2000+ in arena and clearing the progression content for your server for the first time.

I have about 2-3 'main chars' that my guild swaps in and out (Protection warrior, holy priest and holy paladin . Without them my guild progression would be seriously hurt.

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Scooter
Posted 09:20am 22/4/10
If you hate getting fish for people or Leveling new Characters, then here's a shocker;

Dont do it.

Never played WoW, but I have played other MMO's (Playing FFXI at the moment)
If there's 'No fun left in it' I think it's time you looked at why you're still paying Blizzard $x per month to do something YOU DONT LIKE.

I have 7 lv75 Characters (cap) in FFXI and I can assure you, lv75 in FFXI takes longer then 80 in WoW. Hell, Level 50 in FFXI takes longer then lv80 in WoW and thats not even the 1/2 way point (xp wise) to 75. I had fun taking every one of them up to 75 Legit and i'm working on my 8th job now. There is also a fishing quest which requires to catch 10,000 of a specific Fish (fairly easy to catch) which took me months to fish myself. Sure I could of had a Bot do it for me in 2-3 weeks probably... but then the Bot was playing the gamp. Not me.

I have about 2-3 'main chars' that my guild swaps in and out. Without them my guild progression would be seriously hurt.


So all your cheating is for the sake of 'other' guild members. Ok, Sure.
paveway
Posted 09:26am 22/4/10
yeah that sounds completely retarded gamer (lol what a shock there)

why play it if realistically, you don't like it..
ravn0s
Posted 09:31am 22/4/10
because he has WoW disease
Jim
Posted 09:33am 22/4/10
it does sound dumb, but it's cos there's parts of the game that he does like and which keep him subscribed. so by automating the gay bits he gets to just spend his time on the fun stuff
Scooter
Posted 09:43am 22/4/10
You say 'automating' like it's not cheating. Cheater.
gamer
Posted 09:43am 22/4/10
Jim wins at understanding.
trog
Posted 09:48am 22/4/10
it certainly sounds like cheating, and as soon as they figure out that autoit.exe running is an indicator people are cheating surely they'll just banhammer all those people as well?
gamer
Posted 09:48am 22/4/10
By the way, anyone that thinks that 25-40 people in most of the top progression guilds dont buy gold, farm using bots etc are absolutly wrong.

Do you know how much 'gold' we spend per night in progression raids? (It's way better now then it used to be!) but probably close to 1-2k gold per person by 25 people. That's sometimes 25,000->50,000 gold per night.

So yes, of course we're going to automate the consumable farming. Most guilds (who have sponsors) just buy gold and launder the money or employ wow gold growers (auction whores).

Beleive it or not (shock horror suprise!) wow actually takes some pretty good organisation to even run a 25 man guild at the highest teirs of content. It was so much harder with 40 man. So much so, that we used to need to have 2 people 'on call' 24/7. Thank f*** those days are over.
Jim
Posted 09:52am 22/4/10
it certainly sounds like cheating, and as soon as they figure out that autoit.exe running is an indicator people are cheating surely they'll just banhammer all those people as well?


it's been used in this manner for years, even in games before wow existed - they know about it

unless some new reason comes along, no they won't banhammer those people as well
gamer
Posted 09:51am 22/4/10
Yeah trog, like they can ban a program that is a commerical programming language. F*** I could use vbscript (and do) for the same thing.

GetPixelColour and SendKeyStroke. Those and any programs that do them will never be banned. If they are at any stage, please come back to this thread and tell me how wrong I was.

But they wont be. Because it's not possible to ban them, because they simulate a RL player playing too closely.

F*** there is even ways to run autoit or vbscript on a secondary computer to where wow is running and have it read input from the output of the first computer and simulate real keyboard keystrokes.

It'll never be banned.
greazy
Posted 10:12am 22/4/10
Scooter, have you ever fished the amount of fish you need to supply 25 people with the best food in the game for 3-5 hours a night for 3-4 days a week?
haha if those 25 people actually did 30 minutes of fishing then it's pretty easy to get food for everyone. The whole point of WoW is TEAMWORK.
trog
Posted 10:19am 22/4/10
Yeah trog, like they can ban a program that is a commerical programming language. F*** I could use vbscript (and do) for the same thing.
Umm.. isn't this exactly what they do to detect cheats? They look for EXEs running or DLLs loaded in your system and go "ok, we've decided that if these ones are running at the same time as WoW is, then the user is probably cheating"?
Jim
Posted 10:25am 22/4/10
mmo companies used to do that in the stone age, but it's not a reasonable conclusion to come to so they stopped. nor is it their business what else is running on your pc
trog
Posted 10:34am 22/4/10
this is what I was thinking of: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/world-warcraft-warden-spyware,1609.html
According to a Web site for open-source developers of such "'bots," Hoglund reported in one of its private forums that The Warden's behavior had apparently changed from what had previously been observed. Instead of looking for particular game-hacking programs, The Warden looks through all open Windows processes, searching for window titles with particular names: usually the names of known bots, which are often prefixed with the characters WoW!.
Jim
Posted 10:36am 22/4/10
foiled by your own dodgy url parser!
TiT
Posted 10:38am 22/4/10
wow this game seems complicated... i like games where u can play for an hour if ya have spare time and not have to think about afterwards.... sounds like the game runs your life
Jim
Posted 10:46am 22/4/10
do you like big crayons too?
RockitMan
Posted 10:49am 22/4/10
I've never played these games but they sound pretty s*** if you have to spend hours every night doing something tedious and boring to get ahead if you're a non-cheater.
blahnana
Posted 10:50am 22/4/10
It's easier when the numbers tell you which colour goes where
Scooter
Posted 10:52am 22/4/10
According to their ToS, if you're using it to cheat in WoW, it is.

SquareEnix (was rumored to) install (with PoL) a program that saw what other processes your computer was running the same time you were running PoL (their Launcher for Games, think Steam... but completly useless and a failed project.)

They got slammed massivly from everywhere and claimed there was no such System Scan. Apparently it's against some laws in the USA to do so, without permission, but agreeing to the ToS clould be agreeing to the system scan.
Hogfather
Posted 10:55am 22/4/10
Haha seriously, its still dumb.

If you need to do all sorts of handstands to avoid playing the stuff you need to play to play the stuff you like to play, its time to look into doing something else. Italics because I'm serious.

Its not like there's a special pleasure centre in your brain that can only be lit up by WoW raids ... is there?

And that's my opinion, so its right (more italics). If you disagree with me you're stupid and a douche and wrong.
Jim
Posted 11:49am 22/4/10
dunno, it sounds a lot like the life of most humans living in a western society to me
ravn0s
Posted 11:49am 22/4/10
when i played daoc people used to use the automatic mouse button press programs to craft. they got banned.
Jim
Posted 11:52am 22/4/10
I haven't done it in wow but yeh I used to do that in daoc
I started out crafting just using my own pc normally, then later on when my wife got a pc but hardly used it, and it was on the desk next to mine, I used to run daoc on her pc during the day and have the keyboard next to mine and press the button every now and then while I worked. then I thought why bother when autoit can press it for me

never got banned or warned or anything though
Hogfather
Posted 11:58am 22/4/10
dunno, it sounds a lot like the life of most humans living in a western society to me

That's a weeeee bit broad there Jimmah.
gamer
Posted 11:59am 22/4/10
What seperates wow idiots from wow kainers (progression raids) is how smart they play.

I'm sure your ICC 25 man team thats 3 bosses into ICC farms all their own mats and despite what you say, doesnt enjoy a second of it.

Smart players dont allow games like wow to 'consume their life'. We log on, have everything we need at our fingertips and get straight to the fun stuff then log off. Wow is our b****, we take a game that many find hard and 'grindy' and make it into eating cake.

Most people who play wow are the lamer grindy people. I'm glad to see them come and go and never really get to experience how enjoyable wow is without the 'grindyness'. That grindyness will always be there, becaues they need you to come back at least once a month so they get their $15au per person.

The Warden looks through all open Windows processes, searching for window titles with particular names:


That's exactly why you run a program that encodes/scrambles any bot you use both in terms of exe signature, filesize, datetime and window title.

Glider to this day is still un-detectable (last i checked) when you use it with the proper scramblers etc. Most people dont.

Warden isnt as smart as people make it out to be. Still, i only use bots i program myself. Just like trojen viruses, its the only way to make sure nothing can detect it. Then just like every hacker will tell you 'dont get greedy' and you'll be fine.
paveway
Posted 12:01pm 22/4/10
sounds positively gay to me
Rukh
Posted 12:02pm 22/4/10
Who on earth is spending 2k gold a night in a progression raid?

I usually just buy the Fish Feasts for our guild. They vary in price buy say 10g each. We don't tend to go through more than 20 a night, so that's 200g.

Flasks at the moment on my server are around 15g each from the AH. At say 4 flasks a night that's 60g per player. Now sure, a while back they were more expensive, but at the same time usually a guild has Elixir specced Alchs to help make flasks. Still though, at the moment you're looking at around 60g per player for flasks.

If you're double-potting each attempt then that's 10g per attempt or say up to 200g per raid.

That's all of the consumables (poisons, reagants etc. are cheap), so say 268g per person per night.

Now sure there are then repair bills. Over 20 attempts you'll go through a bit over 2 full repairs of your gear. Now sure, I'm in cloth, but my average ilvl is 268 so it's not like I'm on the low end of gear repair costs. The most I've probably paid is maybe 80g for a full repair from red. So let's say for 20 attempts 200g in repairs per person on average.

So in total the costs per person might be around 470g for 20 attempts (and that's assuming you're buying all your consumables from the AH and you're double-potting every single fight).

Now we tend to use fewer than 20 attempts per night anyway in our 3 hour raids, but 20 is a decent enough number I guess if you're bashing your head against something.

To balance the cost, you do get some gold from each boss killed. I forget what it is for the ICC bosses but let's low-ball it at 5g each. Usually you only have a couple of bosses at most that are progression fights. The rest are on farm. In ICC most decent raiding raiding guilds would be clearing most of the instance (on either normal or hardmode) without any wipes (which will lower the repair costs). Over the space of a week you can maybe lower your daily costs by 20g or so from gold just from boss kills.

Furthermore each boss drops 2 Frost Emblems. By now most raiders would have their 4pc T10 251 at least and probably have little use for Frost Emblems except for either the odd PvP or off-spec stuff, or if they want gold to cash in for Primordial Saronite to sell. If you're cashing in Frost Emblems for Saronite then each boss gives you around 90gold. So if you're doing those 10 farm bosses each week that's 900g, which pays in full for 2 of those raiding nights. Meaning you just need to find funds to cover the other 1 or 2 nights.

So if you're raiding 3 nights a week then your average daily net cost is 155g.
If you raid 4 nights a week it's 230g a night.

It doesn't take that long to make 230g for someone interested in raiding. You'll make gold doing VoA for the badges. You'll make gold with professions. Or doing 10mans or your daily heroic or random battleground or just daily quests. You can make gold by turning in those Triumph Badges for gems etc. Or Honor points for gems.

You do NOT need to be botting to cover the costs of raiding. Now sure, someone with limited time (because they have a job) might see a use in buying gold to cover costs but botting is unnecessary.

As for those people claiming that Warden couldn't detect things like Auto-It or other tools, don't kid yourselves. Warden runs on your computer. Just like tools like Auto-It can inject keypresses and the like so to could other programs like Warden detect such things. Furthermore they can also look for certain patterns in usage on accounts. An account online for extremely long periods at a time doing the same things over and over? They might not flag it automatically for banning but that doesn't mean they might not have a GM try to talk with you to make sure you're really not AFK. Maybe your character is getting flagged over and over for being AFK in battlegrounds? A few times, sure it won't mean anything. Repeatedly? It's possible they'll flag it for a deeper look.





Hogfather
Posted 12:09pm 22/4/10
Smart players dont allow games like wow to 'consume their life'. We log on, have everything we need at our fingertips and get straight to the fun stuff then log off. Wow is our b****, we take a game that many find hard and 'grindy' and make it into eating cake.
Oh dear. I literally cringed when I read this post.
gamer
Posted 12:10pm 22/4/10
Yeah alot of things certainly have changed. There is quite a bit your not factoring in though. Such gearing transfers quickly, crafting items, enchants/gems for everyone who gets new gear, spell resist gear crafting etc etc. I take from your over-simplified wall of text that your not a guild leader for a progression guild on your server.

I only have the one account that has 6 level 80's that are active (the rest are twinks etc). I've played on and off for years.

After almost 4 years of using my own programmed bots in a smart way... i'll let you know if i ever get banned. I wouldnt hold my breathe if i was you. I think i know more about marden and how it works then anyone of this thread.

I think most of the people here saying 'youll get caught' have absolutly no idea how it actually works and the measures botters goto to advoid being flagged and finally banned. There are many websites and private forums around that have reserved engineered it and describe how it works (and the proceedures that gms follow or that increase your chances of being flagged).

konstie
Posted 12:23pm 22/4/10
jesus christ Rukh. Is this what WoW is all about? Thank Christ I don't play this game.
GumbyNoTalent
Posted 12:30pm 22/4/10
Do you know how much 'gold' we spend per night in progression raids? (It's way better now then it used to be!) but probably close to 1-2k gold per person by 25 people. That's sometimes 25,000->50,000 gold per night.

ROFLMAO... you seriously expect people to believe that you spend 1-2K per person in a 25 man raid per night? WTF do you spend the gold on? Seriously WTF could you possibly spend that much Gold on per toon? If I spend more then 100G a night its a bad night as I make all my own consumables.
glynd
Posted 12:38pm 22/4/10
jesus christ Rukh. Is this what WoW is all about? Thank Christ I don't play this game.


if you're a hardcore raider? yes

if you're just a regular player who raids? no


i raided for 3 years (2-3 times a week) and no way came near the cost of that. didn't see all of the content but damn well had fun playing the rest.
Rukh
Posted 12:56pm 22/4/10
gamer: I'm the raid leader of Ascension which is currently Oceanic 7th.

We're at 11/12 ICC 25man heroic. We have the Death's Demise and Grand Crusader realm firsts for our server.

I have a shockingly high amount of time /played. I'm a theorycrafter on EJ and shadowpriest.com. I've one of the main developers of SimulationCraft and the trinket Althor's Abacus was named after me.

I'd say that while I'm not in something like Adept, I'm still hardcore enough.

And yes, I know there is also gemming and enchanting and crafting items. I spent around 35k gold on crafted/BoE's near the start of ICC and I've spend thousands more on gems and the like. But on the other hand ICC has been out for 6 months or something now. People don't get loot every raid, or even sometimes every week. Uncut gems can be bought with Honor Points or with Badges or transmuted via Alchemy etc. Most guilds will have Jewelcrafters who will then cut them for you.

What sort of farming do I do? Barely any. I occasionally sell some enchants or crafted tailoring stuff. I might do the odd random heroic every so often or the Random Battleground. Every now and then I might find a BoE I can sell or I might convert some Frost Badges to Saronites to sell.

I don't bot, I've never bought gold, nor have I consistently done the full daily quests since the SWP days.

My GearScore (for what that mod is worth) is 6204 in my raiding gear.


Now it's possible you might be in a more "hardcore" guild than I am, but I think you'll find I know ample about the costs of raiding.
TicMan
Posted 01:03pm 22/4/10
Rukh
Posted 01:03pm 22/4/10
konstie: As Glynd says, if you're a hardcore raider then yes, you need to at least have some sort of gold income to cover progression raiding (though some guilds will pay for repair costs and even maybe flasks and pots) by selling items to non-guild buyers. For non-progression raiding in general you don't bother with the potions and you're less likely to have any wipes so you might even come out ahead gold wise and it's also over quicker.

For the non-hardcore raider your costs can be almost nil depending upon what you do.

And even the gold mentioned frankly isn't that large. Back in the days of the pre-expansion game, yeah, it would be considered a lot of gold. But gold is inflated over time just like everything else, and in real terms raiding is probably less expensive now than it's ever been.

The game isn't just about making gold though to be able to raid which is the point I was making. You don't need to bot. You don't need to farm endlessly. You don't need to buy gold unless you really do only have time to raid and not do anything else in the game ever. If you are raiding then yes you need some gold income but it's not much really.


paveway
Posted 01:12pm 22/4/10
haha

SNAP
ravn0s
Posted 01:16pm 22/4/10
the wow epeen has spoken
GumbyNoTalent
Posted 01:23pm 22/4/10
lol all these elite players with their multiple level 80's and they haven't worked out that you spread all the professions across your 80's so you can be self sufficient on consumables making raiding very inexpensive. Or the fact that their hard core raid groups don't share their talents around reducing the costs significantly, must be a friendly cheerful way to play a game that requires cooperation.

Have fun boting or buying gold, I'll just continue to play with my mates and help each other.
Rukh
Posted 01:27pm 22/4/10
Gumby: Yeah that's what I'm saying. You can really cut down the costs of raiding when you make use of alts or guildies. Raiding isn't as expensive as gamer was making out.
Dazhel
Posted 01:32pm 22/4/10
Umm.. isn't this exactly what they do to detect cheats? They look for EXEs running or DLLs loaded in your system and go "ok, we've decided that if these ones are running at the same time as WoW is, then the user is probably cheating"?


AutoIt is a legitimate program, I've got it running on my machine with a bunch of different scripts none of which are related to WoW, Warcraft 3 or Diablo 2. If games started banning people for running legitimate software instead of targeted hacks then I'd want a refund.

If repetitive boring s*** like fishing is not interesting enough to play without automating the game with AutoIt then the game mechanics are screwed and might make sense to change them.
Superform
Posted 01:37pm 22/4/10
after reading this i'm glad i quit when the stupid game went to lvl 70
Ironwulf
Posted 01:44pm 22/4/10
This sorta crap is why I dont play WOW. There's no sense of achievement getting somewhere because someone with more real money, or more bots, hacks, or scripts, and can cheat their way through quests via a website, can get there faster. I'm a MUD veteran and the server I used to play on actively pursued people who cheated in a similar fashion. You could script TinyFugue in the same way.

The other thing (and it was more relevant with single server MUDS not server-farmed MMORPGs but nonetheless still applicable) is that all these scripts/bots take CPU time and bandwidth from servers used by people ACTUALLY playing the game. But, I guess that doesnt matter either right? They can just put more servers on. Oh wait that costs money... lets charge more per month!
gamer
Posted 01:44pm 22/4/10
ROFLMAO... you seriously expect people to believe that you spend 1-2K per person in a 25 man raid per night? WTF do you spend the gold on? Seriously WTF could you possibly spend that much Gold on per toon? If I spend more then 100G a night its a bad night as I make all my own consumables.


Yeah i've had a fair few lols from peoples reponces in this thread as well. Quite humerous with ruk on his little mission to argue about intracacies in guild cash flow. EPPEEEENNN GOOOOO!!!!!
Reverend Evil
Posted 01:48pm 22/4/10
Do you know how much 'gold' we spend per night in progression raids? (It's way better now then it used to be!) but probably close to 1-2k gold per person by 25 people. That's sometimes 25,000->50,000 gold per night

LOL

There's no way I'd be in a guild that makes you spend that much per day. How the f*** do you make money? And don't say dailies, because that's bulls***.
reso
Posted 01:48pm 22/4/10
gamer is full of s***, as usual.
Rukh
Posted 01:49pm 22/4/10
gamer: I'm merely pointing out you're grossly exaggerating things (again) and that you were mistaken in your assumption that I have no idea what I was talking about. I just like to present facts rather than making baseless claims.

Hogfather
Posted 01:55pm 22/4/10
Yeah i've had a fair few lols from peoples reponces in this thread as well. Quite humerous with ruk on his little mission to argue about intracacies in guild cash flow. EPPEEEENNN GOOOOO!!!!!
Holy s***, that's one ebony pot! Is it a black hole sucking in all the light or something?!
Rukh
Posted 01:55pm 22/4/10
Ironwulf: The thing is though, gold is not the end-game in WoW. It's not even close. Yes if you're a hardcore raider you might need to make some gold to cover the cost of raiding, but it's not as arduous as you might think.

You certainly don't need to be making thousands of gold a night like gamer is claiming.

Having lots of gold means that sure, you might be able to get a couple of crafted items first (though for the most part crafted items aren't as good as the rewards you get from raiding itself), and it means you don't have to worry about the small costs of raiding, but that's about it. Okay, you get to buy more vanity items like more non-combat pets or different mounts, but meh, again some of the most exclusive of those again only come from raiding, or only come from high level PvP.

Gold can be handy but it's not that hard to reach a point where you simply have nothing you feel like spending it on. That it can be done without resorting to cheating (which is what gamer does) is a good sign.
Reverend Evil
Posted 02:03pm 22/4/10
Yeah, WoW is pretty easy these days. You don't even have to leave the main cities and you can hit 80 by just running dungeons.

I find with my guys I seem to spend heaps on gems because none of my toons are jewelers. But when it come to enchants and food I rarely have to spend a cent on them since I've got that covered over both accounts.

It's gonna be awesome once Cata gets released. Most of the old zones will be filled with people again. Was an awesome move for Blizz not to make a whole new land splitting the world up even further.
tequila
Posted 02:11pm 22/4/10
I heard Clearasil sponsors WoW, confirm/deny?
Scooter
Posted 02:19pm 22/4/10
I think it's pretty funny gamer coming in here swinging his (Botted, cheating) 6 lv80 characters and his (gold buying) 'top progression guild' around. Then being b**** slapped back down to his mum's basement by Rukh.
Jim
Posted 02:25pm 22/4/10
could get a good mum joke in there, cept your mum is a family friend and I can't bring myself to do it :(
gamer
Posted 04:06pm 22/4/10
If you say so Scooter! It must be so!!

I heard Clearasil sponsors WoW, confirm/deny?


lol! Often you hear about RL wow guild/group meetups, never been to one myself but I often shudder to think how it might all go down. No spells or chars to hide behind.
shrapse
Posted 05:39pm 22/4/10
I've seen a $1000us auto it script that simulates pvp in alterac valley, complete with mounting your horse, combat (upt to 4 spells), looking around and moving with the group (if it doesnt find anyone around it just mounts and uses a set of waypoints to nagivate 'in the normal route to the AV bosses'. Then when it detects combat (name tag goes red) it then turns untill the target is in sight then starts the normal combat rotation of spells/attacks/abilities.


Or a $30 bot called pirox?
Basket
Posted 08:07pm 22/4/10
hahaha pirox used it for 2 charcters, before then glider, got smacked in ban hammer though but that's what you get really, got bored with wow quit best thing EVAAAA
parabol
Posted 08:37pm 22/4/10
Just like trojen viruses, its the only way to make sure nothing can detect it

That sentence and everything you said around it makes no sense.
like they can ban a program that is a commerical programming language

Neither does this one. It just seems like you string a bunch of technical words together and hope they make sense?
Smart players dont allow games like wow to 'consume their life'.

The only "smart WoW player" is one who has quit.
gamer
Posted 08:44pm 22/4/10
hahaha pirox used it for 2 charcters, before then glider,


Yep thats what $30 buys you.

That sentence and everything you said around it makes no sense


Yep pretty hard to understand your own primary language eh? Ever heard of virus signatures? Every programmed your own trojan virus? Notice how your virus signature isnt on any database, funny that hey... with me now kiddo?

I wont bother with the rest of the crap you wrote, it all require hand holding and you've already taken up too much of my time typing the above.
Jim
Posted 08:51pm 22/4/10
at the risk of dragging this even further off topic, I suspect virus scanning doesn't work the way you think it does
Scooter
Posted 08:52pm 22/4/10
Why don't you just have a bot reply in this thread then?
trog
Posted 08:52pm 22/4/10
Notice how your virus signature isnt on any database, funny that hey... with me now kiddo?
I'm not with you. By that logic every virus that anyone makes will never get on a virus database and thus will take over the world.

Before parabol jumps in and explains in excruciating technical detail why you're wrong, surely you can just admit that realistically, if Blizzard wanted to, they'd be able to figure out what homebrew script warriors are doing and stop them. They don't bother because generally you guys fly under the radar and are about 0.00000001% of the problem as the rest of the low hanging fruit.

They're not stopping you because you're the smrtest man alive - they just cannot be bothered.
Hogfather
Posted 08:59pm 22/4/10
at the risk of dragging this even further off topic

Not really sure that's possible at this stage?
Jim
Posted 09:02pm 22/4/10
how's the weather in cairns hogfather lol!
parabol
Posted 09:21pm 22/4/10
Ever heard of virus signatures? Every programmed your own trojan virus? Notice how your virus signature isnt on any database, funny that hey... with me now kiddo?

You are again throwing around more random terms that you seem to have no understanding of.

I'm still waiting for an explanation of:
Still, i only use bots i program myself. Just like trojen viruses, its the only way to make sure nothing can detect it.

What exactly is the link between homebrew bots and "trojen viruses"? Asking me questions about my programming background isn't an answer.

Anyway, some of the heuristic methods of virus scanners react to certain behaviour of applications. Behaviour such as mapping process memory in a strange way, fiddling with the import address table (you know what an IAT is, right? You being a Grand Master of "trojen virus" authorship and all) or headers of processes, doing dodgy things with window messages and hooks (disclaimer: these are examples, just in case you are about to froth up to hastily inform me you don't use hooks). These don't require virus signatures.

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shrapse
Posted 09:59am 23/4/10
Yep thats what $30 buys you.


Incorrect. $30 doesn't buy you a ban, $30 buys you one of the most feature rich, most renowned bots the community has to offer. It currently is undetectable by warden has been since release. Pirox's bots are all auto-it based with memory reading and optional writing but no injection.

So tell me, what does this "$1000us auto-it script" have to offer over Pirox's pvptool?


hahaha pirox used it for 2 charcters, before then glider, got smacked in ban hammer


Sounds like you shouldn't have been botting in the first place because the only way you can get banned is if you don't really know what you are doing. (speaking purely on pirox's behalf, not glider)
GumbyNoTalent
Posted 10:53am 23/4/10
How would WoW detect another program running? By its name is silly cause all you do is rename the executable and that method of detection is mooted.

Basket
Posted 10:57am 23/4/10
no ^ i got banned from when glider got detected a long with everyone else never got banned individually, but wow is the zzz
parabol
Posted 10:57am 23/4/10
How would WoW detect another program running?

Ahh, the Windows API?
By its name is silly cause all you do is rename the executable and that method of detection is mooted.

That's if you're just looking up the process name derived from the executable. You can also get the window/class names, as well as do other things in an attempt at basic matching.
GumbyNoTalent
Posted 11:02am 23/4/10
@parabol and if you run your account in restricted mode? I never use administrator account privileges when gaming, since games are the only time I use Windows outside of work.
Jim
Posted 11:05am 23/4/10
it'll have access to anything else running under the same account though
parabol
Posted 11:19am 23/4/10
@parabol and if you run your account in restricted mode?

The Windows API is fairly fundamental for most things a windows program will do. It's not a magical interface for doing admin/naughty stuff.
it'll have access to anything else running under the same account though

This.
GumbyNoTalent
Posted 11:30am 23/4/10
OH well will have to switch back to WINE on Linux then. :)
DarthGuybrush
Posted 12:01pm 23/4/10
Who? Serious have not played a Blizzard game since Diablo. 10 years ago.
parabol
Posted 12:20pm 23/4/10
OH well will have to switch back to WINE on Linux then. :)

*sigh* The entire point of WINE is to provide an implementation of the Windows API :)

GumbyNoTalent
Posted 12:37pm 23/4/10
*sigh* The entire point of WINE is to provide an implementation of the Windows API :)
Surely it only report on processes within the EMULATION (I know they say it isn't a emulator but really give em another word to use) any application being run outside of that emulated environment would be safe?
Jim
Posted 12:45pm 23/4/10
without really knowing what I'm on about, I would guess that windows api calls would have no reach outside of apps running under wine, but I don't think that means the detection software would be powerless to obtain other types of information from outside of wine that it has access to
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