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Post by Dan @ 03:35pm 09/03/10 | 41 Comments
Blizzard community manager Eyonix is back again with some more tasty information for WoW-heads hanging out for their next big fix, the forthcoming Cataclysm expansion.
Today wed like to go into more detail about a brand-new feature thats an integral part of this overhaul: the Mastery system, a set of new game mechanics designed to allow players to become better at what makes their chosen talent tree cool or unique. With this system, we want to accomplish three things: give players more freedom in how they allocate talent points, simplify some of the "kitchen sinky" talents that try to do too much at once, and add a new stat to high-level gear that makes you better at your chosen role.
Examples of this are given for the Holy Priest, Discipline Priest and Frost Death Knight masteries. Get the full scoop over on the World of Warcraft Community Forums.



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Hogfather
Posted 04:09pm 09/3/10
I like the idea that they are working away from boring, mandatory talents like "do bigger heals".

I reckon they should go back and rework the talent trees altogether so that every class has a support/heal, tank, damage option flavoured by the class archetype. Probably too radical and way too much work though, and shooting someone in the face to heal them might be weird...
Methz
Posted 04:24pm 09/3/10
I just wanna fly around in old-world and dive bomb x-roads hahaha.
Khel
Posted 10:30pm 09/3/10
Its annoying me again atm, I wanted to see some of the content I hadn't seen like Ulduar and ToC and some Icecrown, so I levelled up a priest and got it pretty geared up, but can't get into guilds or even pug raids of stuff like ulduar and toc, cos they only want people who have the achievements to show they've already done the fight. But then you can't get experience with the fights cos nobody will take you. And everyone is always wanking on about this gearscore s***, its all highly annoying.
Saint
Posted 10:44pm 09/3/10
Yeah agreed Khel, it's pretty stupid
f**les
Posted 10:54pm 09/3/10
Agreed Khel, I jumped back in after being 3 years wow sober. Was shameful tanking my old 60 warrior and not being super quick and perfect. People expect absolute pros straight out and it's scary with all the words they attack you with. LA LA LA.

However the new raid/dungen finder is the shiz, only used it a couple times but havn't played for a few months.
Fuzzy
Posted 11:12pm 09/3/10
I'm with you Khel... and the others. The problem is Gearscore and achievement requirements are a joke, they both have no indication of how well you can atcually play. Sure, there's proof you have experience, but I've run with people who have near completed Ulduar, yet cause wipes in Naxx due to their bad tanking/headling. I mean, the furthest I'd been in Wrath to date is to Flame Leviathan in Ulduar, before the guild I was in disbanded. Apparently that's still not good enough to get into any Ulduar run.

Though apparently Blizz is apparently working on an extending the LFG tool to include raids as well, meaning GS and achievement Nazism won't be so rapant.

With that all said and done though, Cataclysm is looking amazing, in both new content and gameplay changes.
Thundercracker
Posted 11:22pm 09/3/10
Just remember, when people decide to use these simple methods to select people, there is generally a way to game that system. There are mods that will fake your gear score, and there are mods that will let you send fake achievements :)

In the past though, I have got most of my achievements in guild, but these days I don't raid so it's not an issue.
Reverend Evil
Posted 12:09am 10/3/10
Asking for achievements is stupid. Even though the toon you are doing it on might not have got it doesn't mean your others don't. But I can understand people not wanting a fail group although a line needs to be drawn somewhere. After all it's just a f*****g game and some people can be real f*****g c****.
eXemplar
Posted 12:15am 10/3/10
And everyone is always wanking on about this gearscore s***, its all highly annoying.

I want to do ICC25 in naxx epics, what could go wrong.
Midda
Posted 12:15am 10/3/10
Sounds like WoW is really fun and inviting. I regret that I stopped playing it 3 years ago. Oh wait, no I don't.
Eorl
Posted 12:55am 10/3/10
Haha, nice one Midda. Sounds cool, intriguing, lets see how Blizzard goes with it.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 03:04am 10/3/10

After all it's just a f*****g game


For some people it is a life :/
Tiny
Posted 03:51am 10/3/10
This is why you should just quit wow guys and move onto some better games like I did. Its the same s*** over and over again. I did naxx, then i did ulduar, then i did totc, then I Did icecrown. Then everyone talks about the expansion and all the new gear you can get and bla bla bla.

WOW is a broken record that plays the same s*** day in day out. They just designed the game so once you spend the stupid amount of time getting something. Something better just replaces it.

I just decided one day. Whats the f***en point? I am going back to FPS games for some real fun. I'm not up for raiding all night anymore and getting f*** all sleep for work. I chose LIFE, so should all of you.
Hogfather
Posted 10:05am 10/3/10
This is why you should just quit wow guys and move onto some better games like I did ... I just decided one day. Whats the f***en point? I am going back to FPS games for some real fun. I'm not up for raiding all night anymore and getting f*** all sleep for work. I chose LIFE, so should all of you.
I don't play WoW anymore, but that wasn't what it was like for me. I logged in a few times a week for a few hours when I had time free and enjoyed it while it was fun. I occassionally re-activate my account for the same reasons. I've also occassionally been a member of regular raiding parties for a stint but never for very long periods as it felt like an obligation and seemed to suck the fun out of the game.

Given that it was such a problem for you (interfering with work? holy s***...) its probably for the best that you gave it up. Anyone who has an obsessive hobby that is interfering with their professional or personal life negatively should reconsider it.

Oh yeh, I'm currently getting into DDO and would recommend it to anyone wanting something a bit more challenging than WoW! Its also free to play although to see all the content you'll eventually need a subscription.
Fuzzy
Posted 09:59am 10/3/10
^Implying people who play WoW have no life

Seriously, what's with this stigma that someone who plays WoW can't have a healthy social life? Me and the friends I know who play WoW are usually out on Friday and Saturday nights, I have plenty of friends who aren't even gamers that I meet up with often, and this is all fits in on my days off work

All it comes down to is balance. I like playing WoW, as I do other games, but it doesn't stop me from enjoying other facets of my life.
Hogfather
Posted 11:02am 10/3/10
Some people who play WoW really do have no life outside the game, and its quite sad.

It doesn't have to be that way though, and it does grate a little when people assume that if you play (or played) WoW or an MMO that you are a no-lifer putting in 50 or 60 hours a week.
Dazhel
Posted 11:15am 10/3/10
This is why you should just quit [INSERT_MMORPG] guys and move onto some better games like I did. Its the same s*** over and over again. I did [INSERT_MMORPG_DUNGEON], then i did [INSERT_MMORPG_DUNGEON], then i did [INSERT_MMORPG_DUNGEON], then I Did [INSERT_MMORPG_ZONE]. Then everyone talks about [INSERT_MMORPG_EXPANSION] and bla bla bla.

[INSERT_MMORPG] is a broken record that plays the same s*** day in day out. They just designed the game so once you spend the stupid amount of time getting something. Something better just replaces it.
TicMan
Posted 11:19am 10/3/10
WoW these days is a pretty sad state of affairs with GS and achievement requirements. It's very frustrating that people expect awesome & epic people to form up a raid and run through it but leaving all those behind that have the gear but might just not have been into those raids yet. Fortunately the guild I'm in is very friendly and I've got a bunch of family & friends playing on PM. Pugs on the other hand...

My main is a prot paladin and has seen most of Ulduar but I stopped for a few months last year. I started again with 3.3.0 and quickly geared up in heroics to get 4/5 T9, got enough frosts to buy wrists, etc re-gemmed with epics & enchanted everything but still I'm only at ~4900 GS and not good enough to pug a TOC because its not 5200+ and no achievement .. disregarding the months and months I spend raiding in TBC, WotLK Naxx, Ulduar, etc. Apparently these days your skill and experience is second priority to how much gear you can accumulate. I can take my 4400GS mage and outdps most 5000+GS people but still can't get into ToC because of my low GS. I've deleted GS now and will just take people that are interested in coming to raids regardless of gear or experience - if they don't know the fights then it'll be explained nicely instead of being treated like a d*** for not killing the Lich King 5 minutes after ICC was opened up.

I've also just started leveling a holy priest and F*** ME PEOPLE ARE STUPID C****. I typically buff everyone after zoning in which reduces me to < 30% mana but the tank feels its ok to run off and grab eleventymillon mobs and then starts abusing you because you didn't heal him. You say "Wait, I need mana" but off they go and round up a bunch of s***, die and complain that you can't heal properly which is no surprise as nobody can heal with 0 mana.
Reverend Evil
Posted 11:35am 10/3/10
We wiped twice the other day in FoS on the last boss because some of the people there were running it for the first time and didn't know about mirrored soul. I was healing and it was impossible to get heals up in time. Third go after everyone knew what was happening we laughed like bastards, downed the boss, collected our fat loot and headed on.

Also c****, normally the tank, who decide they'll skip bosses just so they can get their two frost emblems for the day. Blizzard should change it so you have to do a full clear to get the frost emblems. Some f***** had the nerve to say to me triumph emblems are easy to obtain after we skipped two bosses. Well they're not easy to get if c**** like him don't wanna do a full clear. It prolly takes an extra 10 or so minutes to do it so it's not unreasonable.
Khel
Posted 01:04pm 10/3/10
I've also just started leveling a holy priest and F*** ME PEOPLE ARE STUPID C****.


Yep, I feel your pain, I've been playing a holy/disc priest and some people are just utterly retarded. I especially like when I'm trying to rez someone and the tank pulls more stuff as well, that always makes me happy. On the other hand though, I much prefer being the healer in a retarded group than a dps, like back when I used to play my mage. At least as the healer, you have some kind of control, you have the ability to maybe drag a crap group through the instance anyway with uber pro heals. I always find it really satisfying when I drag a s*** tank or a s*** group through an instance successfully, its like hard mode for instances :P

I want to do ICC25 in naxx epics, what could go wrong.


I'm sorry, did I step on your e-penis? Obviously you can't dive into the hardest raid in the game without being adequately geared, but GS is a meaningless indicator of that. A person could be wearing all pvp gear and have a good GS. They could have no enchants or gems or completely wrong enchants and gems, and still have a good GS. A healer could be completely kitted out in DPS gear, and still have a good GS. Its utterly meaningless and no indication that the person is any good at playing, or appropriately geared. Its like Ticman said, a good player who can really play the f*** out of their class can beat a better geared s*** player any day of the week, gear isn't a substitute for skill.

Having said that, my GS is almost 5k anyway just from buying gear with emblems from running heroics, so if people can almost reach that level without doing a single raid, how is it any sort of indicator that they're going to even be any good in a raid? All it is is an indicator of how much spare time they have (which co-incidentally, I have had a lot of lately).

I find getting bogged down in all the mathematics going on behind the scene just sucks all the fun out of the game. My old guild during BC was fantastic, it was just a group of people who weren't obsessed with being well geared or hitting arbitrary requirements before raiding, we were just a bunch of guys who knew how to play our classes, read up on the fights beforehand and then went ok, lets try and kill that s***. We got through SSC, TK and Hyjal while we were what could be considered "undergeared", cos we f*****g rocked. Then we made the mistake of merging with another guild which was full of arrogant, power-playing c*******s and it all went to s***.
Tiny
Posted 01:42pm 10/3/10
We wiped twice the other day in FoS on the last boss because some of the people there were running it for the first time and didn't know about mirrored soul. I was healing and it was impossible to get heals up in time


My tree owned healing. In fact in most cases it was too easy until they nerfed our mana.


Khel : you are right about skill and so on but sometimes having a tank with the right amount of HP really means the difference between a wipe or kill. If you run into some raids were everyone is undergeared it ends up taking three times as long if you even finish the raid. I got so over doing totc etc that I only took geared people because I was not about to waste three hours when I could do it an one hour. Unfortunately I would take geared and achievement bearing people first all the time. I am speaking from experience here.

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TicMan
Posted 01:50pm 10/3/10
My old guild during BC was fantastic, it was just a group of people who weren't obsessed with being well geared or hitting arbitrary requirements before raiding


^- this.. having a good guild is monumental in transforming WoW into a fantastic social and gaming experience. In vanilla I was in great guild that would get together and start doing MC/BWL/NAXX and have a ball. TBC I joined up with some RL friends on different servers (all relocated to the one) and had a blast going through Kara, TK, SSC and Hyjal (never got to BT or Sunwell though). Then in WotLK I had a bunch of other RL friends since high school days all come onto the one server and we rocked Naxx & Ulduar pretty hard as a group of friends together.

The problem is when you need to start pugs .. it's a shame content some of the older content (and even stuff like Naxx & Ulduar) isn't given a second thought unless its the weekly raid quest as they were great fun.
eXemplar
Posted 02:35pm 10/3/10
I'm sorry, did I step on your e-penis?

No, you didn't. I've only just started playing again but even I can see the benefit of the gearscore and achievement links. Sure, there is definately some negatives with being a good or player knowing the fights on an alt etc etc, but when you wipe on the second boss in the instance and everyone leaves and you're stuck locked to an instance not being able to do it again for another week ... do you really want no barriers on that? Rule of pug is generally bring the gear not the player, so you can have a nice smooth run without people whining and whinging and leaving, then being stuck.

It's not a good indication, sure, but it's the only real indication available that even gives someone trying to organise a pug any idea at all about the player.

Seriously, if you want to raid why are you pugging? Join a casual raid guild, even use them as a feeder if you want, and move on.

On the topic of maths and not bothering with gear and stuff, there's some really handy tools which basically tell you what to to/get, or where your gear is wrong.

http://be.imba.hu/ - Really neat character audit
http://be.imba.hu/?zone=US&realm=Dreadmaul&character=Eggsampler - I know your pain dragging bads through.
In game addon which is much more informative than gearscore: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/elitistgroup.aspx

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GumbyNoTalent
Posted 03:01pm 10/3/10
This is why you should just quit wow guys and move onto some better games like I did. Its the same s*** over and over again. I did naxx, then i did ulduar, then i did totc, then I Did icecrown. Then everyone talks about the expansion and all the new gear you can get and bla bla bla.


Sweet what is your realm and toons name?

After all ICC has only been unlocked for 6 weeks, so you'd most likely have a realm first in clearing ICC 10 or 25, since you must a quit the game for a while to take up a new game. Or are you just trolling?

As for those that can't get a run in old content, www.wow-heroes.com check to see if you are actually geared fro the instance. If your on Silvermoon Horde what is ya toon and I will pst you if you want a run.
glynd
Posted 03:06pm 10/3/10
while we're on the subject, good australian servers? stuck on a server with only 1 australian guild (rest disbanded 1/2 way through last year) so going to move one of my characters.
Tiny
Posted 03:20pm 10/3/10
After all ICC has only been unlocked for 6 weeks, so you'd most likely have a realm first in clearing ICC 10 or 25, since you must a quit the game for a while to take up a new game. Or are you just trolling?


I never said I had cleared ICC. I had done the first wing and some of the second. I was trying to get my point across about the game.

Obviously you won't agree because you still play.

The Cataclysm trailer made me laugh. Then i found this which sums it up.


GumbyNoTalent
Posted 03:37pm 10/3/10
Sorry but when people say they "did ICC" I assume they have done Icecrown, as in completed it. Just like if someone told me they had done a marathon I would have assumed they had run the whole marathon not just stood at the start line and walk off once the starters gun had fired.

So in reality you attempted the 2nd Boss in ICC, so how many bosses didn't you "did" in Naxx, Uld and ToC?

PS My point is that you bagging a game you never completed, I know they always add content but if ICC is on offer now surely you could complete it before you quit? Why would I leave a game without completing it? :)

I grow tired of all the WoW hate, and I grow even more tired of ex players saying its the best thing they ever did was to quit WoW yet they still post in WoW threads. I play computer games for 2-3hrs a night, most nights not all I play WoW, if it wasn't WoW I would still be playing computer games, my life is just fine thanks for your concern.

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Tiny
Posted 03:33pm 10/3/10
This is the kind of s*** I am talking about. It's not a f***en popularity contest, it's a f***en game.

I got champion of frozen wastes, cleared all totc 25/10. Did all of ulduar except last boss but who gives a f***, its WOW.

Also if you stopped trolling and bothered to read my posts you would have noticed I have already posted one of my characters.
Thundercracker
Posted 04:43pm 10/3/10


http://be.imba.hu/ - Really neat character audit


Man it may as well rank my warrior (in his pew pew gear) as "ghetto". Nice site though :)
Khel
Posted 09:50pm 10/3/10
That site tells me I'm only geared well enough to do 10 man ToC, but I reckon I could heal 25 man ToC, cos I'm all pro and s***. Though it does bring up some good points where my gear is crap, but I already knew about them :P Like one of my embarassingly low level green trinkets. Not like theres a big selection of good healing trinkets you can get without raiding :(

Oh and it complains that I haven't socketted my belt, which is a good point, I forgot you could even do that.

Cool site though :)
kr0wb4r
Posted 10:28pm 10/3/10
I want to do ICC25 in naxx epics, what could go wrong.



We couldn't find a decent holy pally to recruit on our server. After kicking many failures we just got one of our priests (who had ~6k GS) to reroll pally as his main. He came into icc10 on his pally with naxx gear and we killed LK for the first time. Hard game is hard right?

Tis my char:

http://be.imba.hu/?zone=US&realm=Frostmourne&character=Krowbar
re so
Posted 10:55pm 10/3/10
Not like theres a big selection of good healing trinkets you can get without raiding :(


You can buy a couple with badges, can buy the 219/226/232 gear with badges as well don't forget. Don't run around with greens when there's badge gear easily obtainable.
eXemplar
Posted 11:19pm 10/3/10
Hard game is hard right?

So you're saying a guild run succeeded? wowzers! How about trying exactly that with all pugs in naxx gear?
Khel
Posted 11:20pm 10/3/10
Yeah, I got one of the badge trinkets, but the only other one thats there is just a generic spellpower one, my current one while green actually gives me a pretty big chunk of mana regen, so I dunno if I want to give it up for generic +spellpower epix. Guess its probably a good idea so I look respectable in my welfare epix.
re so
Posted 11:30pm 10/3/10
Yeah even if you just use it for Dalaran rep and switch it out if it's useless once they start the raid :)
kr0wb4r
Posted 11:37pm 10/3/10
How about trying exactly that with all pugs in naxx gear?


How would you still have naxx gear? 4pc t9 is ~ 230 badges which is about one days grind of heroics. Blizzard spoonfeed casuals so much yet they still complain.
eXemplar
Posted 11:50pm 10/3/10
It was just an exaggeration to emphasise my point about gearscore.

Here's my character,


Just my luck I lagged and levitate didn't proc,
http://file.upinthisbit.ch/a80cbbe9_c****.jpg
http://file.upinthisbit.ch/f2434b03_upskirt.jpg
Tollaz0r!
Posted 07:47am 11/3/10
Leroy Jenkins knew how to play WoW!
Tiny
Posted 09:07am 11/3/10
This thread is turning into a "check out my epic gearz" circle jerk first.
Reverend Evil
Posted 09:41am 11/3/10
F*** that's an awesome site eXemplar. Just fixed a gem and enchant on my rogue.

Although on my hunter it's saying I'm losing +8 AP bonus for a socketed item which isn't right. Oh well, still awesome though.
kr0wb4r
Posted 01:50pm 11/3/10
Just stack 20 agi gems and ignore socket bonus's rev.
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