Hard to act like adults when he treats adults as kids. Remove his high horse and then we can talk.

it just adds more weight to the argument that we need more restrictions and paints us in an extremely negative light.

Regardless of what you think about Atkinson and his crazy perspective on games and this perhaps somewhat over-the-top comparison, it is important to note that abusive and anti-social behaviour (not to mention death threats) is not at all constructive - it just adds more weight to the argument that we need more restrictions and paints us in an extremely negative light.

How did he know it was 2:00 in the morning?

how is one anti social newb threatening a minster reflecting poorly upon the rest of us?

after that recent interview on abc I think it was he was starting to say that perhaps he is out of touch and that he might change his mind after the election

I guess you mean, aside from the fact that there's now a news article on the ABC comparing gamers to bikie gangs?

I just don't understand how anyone can be against a classification that will help lessen a childs access to content that they shouldn't have access to but currently do due to it being MA15+.

Channel 9 news crew just left, I should be on 9 News tonight talking about Atkinson and R18+

there's nothing stopping a lax US company (Steam anyone?) from selling these games to Australians regardless of what laws are in place

It's difficult not to resort to violence when you have no voice, and when some out-of-the-loop a****** can call some pretty unreasonable shots, and ridicules the people it affects for having an opinion about it.

It's difficult not to resort to violence when you have no voice, and when some out-of-the-loop a****** can call some pretty unreasonable shots, and ridicules the people it affects for having an opinion about it.

Is violence really a viable option in response to someone saying you can't play certain video games?

You skipped the part where people have tried diplomatic options. Petitions, debates, rallies. People want to have their say against this man's opinions.

It's difficult not to resort to violence when you have no voice

Anyone who thinks that hurting, killing someone or even threatening someone with harm is an appropriate response to R18+ games being banned is wrong.

Anyone who thinks that hurting, killing someone or even threatening someone with harm is an appropriate response to R18+ games being banned

'basic freedoms'.

People are routinely threatened, hurt, and sometimes killed for much less important things by authorities.

he right to chose what I find sexually appealing, maybe I like small titted women? (I don't fyi, I'm normal)
the right to decide what is and is not appropriate for my children on the internet
the right to freely consume whatever material I should so chose, even if it does contain politically sensitive or potentially "illegal" (suicide information etc) material

See I don't consider these to be 'basic freedoms' at all. Freedoms yes but rather complicated ones, that may require discussion and clarifying by legislation. For example, do pedos have a right to be sexually attracted to children? I guess you can't control their thought processes, but if they act upon their fantasies then there has to be consequences. I consider basic freedoms to be things like access to food and safe drinking water, access to education, health care, the rights to own property and start businesses, the right to feel safe and not have to live in fear. There are more, but to me it is those sort of rights that I would fight for, or get violent for if I really had to. However I don't think violence is right for something as comparably minor as video games, or certain sites on the internet. Perhaps if they started censoring educational texts, or things that questioned the government and things like that it would be different.

Welcome to Palestine, since 1948.

Whether they are 'Basic Freedoms' is a strawman argument. The topic of discussion is that this one man (in a democratic system) is keeping his opinion as law.

When Hitler nails the whole topic perfectly, there should be a huge worry with people.

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.

I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention.

The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.

The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.

Anyone who sees and paints a sky green and fields blue ought to be sterilized.

Anyone who sees and paints a sky green and fields blue ought to be sterilized.

But violence and threats of violence is simply taking it too far. If all diplomatic avenues are exhausted and these laws still get passed then you've lost and you simply have to live with it. If you start acting out violently against these laws then that makes you a violent criminal and 100x worse in my eyes than any politician involved any any of these censorship plans.

Upside down! Upside down!

A lot of gamerspeople are just mindless fools. Trolls on the internet, idiots in real life.

every inch of ground this thing gains is an inch we as a free society are losing, at what point do you say enough is enough?

I haven't been violent, incited violence or condoned violence
all I'm saying is there will never be a point at which I just say "ok I guess I have to live with that" in relation to censorship or any of these issues really

I'd probably move to another country before I loaded a rifle, but I certainly won't just cop it on the chin

Although R18+ DVDs are already available, computer games involve the player in an interactive role where they become the character doing the killing, raping, beating or sexual activity. An example of a currently banned game that would be allowed into Australia is a Japanese creation where the player is encouraged to gang rape and beat young women. Other games involve “first person” playing where the player takes the role of torturing or mutilating people.

yes, I and I won't?

I would either;

a) move countries
b) fight it on a political level (less likely, I don't have bajillions of dollars)
c) take part in civil actions, doing what I can where I can (yes, I mean like 4chan/anon)
d) train ninja monkies (or Ben Stiller) to take the head of the political beast

to: attorney-general@agd.sa.gov.au
subject: Current video-game classification system

Dear Sir,

I am writing to you to express my support for your current stand against the proposed R18+ video game content classification.
<snip>

a) move countries
b) fight it on a political level (less likely, I don't have bajillions of dollars)
c) take part in civil actions, doing what I can where I can (yes, I mean like 4chan/anon)
d) train ninja monkies (or Ben Stiller) to take the head of the political beast

An example of a currently banned game that would be allowed into Australia is a Japanese creation where the player is encouraged to gang rape and beat young women

Mabye 0.5% of the population?

Agreeance is not a word, agreement is.

Trog's stance on everything is just not giving a f***.
So he's in the apathetic Australian crowd.

See this is something that pisses me off. The notion that if you aren't in the pitchfork waving flag burning crowd you don't give a f*** and man, you're naive and ignorant and stuff!

F*****g wake up to yourself.

I don't see ourselves with pitchforks, nor burning flags...
Simply voicing our displeasure at this politician we have no power to remove. All we can do is convince people in SA not to vote for him. So if that doesn't work, what next? Just take it?

Yet another alcohol induced rage almost leading to yet another death and we are trying to restrict gaming?

Trog's stance on everything is just not giving a f***.
So he's in the apathetic Australian crowd.

how about the fact that laws like this can get through just because the vast majority actually doesn't care enough to do anything about it?

Agreeance is not a word, agreement is.

Trog, what are you going to do?

A THREATENING note allegedly written by a video gamer was delivered to Michael Atkinson's house more than a year ago.

It is not known if police investigated the threat. South Australia Police did not respond to enquiries.

and if everything else failed, you were forced to live in a country where we are censored .. then what would you do?

and if everything else failed, you were forced to live in a country where we are censored .. then what would you do?

"Those lobbying for an R18+ category for interactive games have put a threatening message made entirely from individual letters cut from different magazine headlines and glued to a page underneath my door between 2am and 2.30am," he said.

"Those lobbying for an R18+ category have spammed my electorate office email by subscribing me to dozens of email feeds from US Government agencies without my consent.

"Those lobbying for an R18+ category for games have attacked my Wikipedia entry and added fictitious material purportedly about my childhood and claimed that I have a different sexuality from the one I actually have.

"Those lobbying for an R18+ category have disseminated criminally defamatory emails claiming that I am a paedophile, among other things, and defaming my children.

I got this off slashdot, and I am unsure if the video (haven't watched it yet) is a silly recreation?