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Post by Steve Farrelly @ 11:35am 22/01/10 | 29 Comments
In their ongoing court battle with Interplay over the licensing of the Fallout IP, Bethesday may have inadvertently revealed the existence of an MMO, as was submitted to court by the Elder Scrolls developer/publisher during proceedings.

Legal documents describe the product, which has apparently been in development for more than three years, as a "World of WarCraft type MMO" with a development crew of close to a hundred people and costing a ridiculous amount of money.

It's unlikely the game is an MMO based on the Fallout IP as that's the very reason they're in court; Interplay own the MMO dev rights to that franchise, essentially leaving The Elder Scrolls as the likely candidate. Add to this comments made last year by Bethesda the series would indeed continue along with the purchase of the domain www.elderscrollsonline.com and you pretty much have enough evidence.



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Dan
Posted 11:41am 22/1/10
S*** news imo. The thing I loved most about the elder scrolls games is that they were finite singleplayer experience that you could get absorbed into. I really hope this doesn't stop them making killer singleplayer rpgs.
demon
Posted 11:46am 22/1/10
same dan. i couldn't give a rats about a pay per time mmorpg no matter what the scenario. that's just not my idea of fun gaming. i would MUCH prefer to see eldar scrolls V as a single player fps/rpg like oblivion.

i'd also like to see a lush fantasy fps/rpg in the crytek engine... mmmm lush.
DM
Posted 11:52am 22/1/10
Will be interesting if it turns out to not be an MMO based on fallout or oblivion. Both games were s***
Hogfather
Posted 11:59am 22/1/10
(Dan) Agree - to an extent.

I have a lot of MMO hate & weariness. Playing the STO open beta has reinvigorated my hope that the MMO technology platform can deliver fun and unique gameplay without it being yet-another-f*****g-fantasy-MMO, or WoW in Space.

I don't know if STO has legs (the last patch added some nice polish) but I still enjoy the beta every day, the instanced space combat is fun, and different to other MMO gameplay I've had a run at. The away team missions need a lot of work though - they play like a bad freeby MMO.

last edited by Hogfather at 11:59:19 22/Jan/10
paveway
Posted 12:07pm 22/1/10
it's hard to see how any mmo can be real fun though

they never end so the bosses etc have to re-spawn

which is where it turns into a job more than a game 'oh i have to be on at 6pm tonight for the raid' because you're hunting for some lame loot

f*** wow and f*** mmo's
E.T.
Posted 12:11pm 22/1/10
That domain was registered two and a half years ago. That means they could be well advanced into their development and about to launch!? Funny how things like this seem to get leaked out before a launch to raise the hype levels.
Dan
Posted 12:14pm 22/1/10
I think MMOs have their place, but story and immersion wise, I'm just yet to play one that has been as awesome as a singleplayer game. It certainly doesn't help when the game worlds are populated by acronym spamming neckbeards either.

Bioware's Star Wars The Old Republic is looking really goddam awesome and I think that's because they seem to be focusing heavily on the story and dialogue components. I also wasn't disappointed to hear they were working on an MMO, because they already had 2 awesome looking offline RPG's announced (dragon age/mass effect 2) and we already know they have plans for mass effect 3.

Bethesda however have not made any such announcements, so if they really do have an mmo in devel, I really hope they still have another singleplayer RPG in the oven as well.
DM
Posted 12:15pm 22/1/10
I want a starcraft MMO. F*** yeah.
Dazhel
Posted 12:16pm 22/1/10
MMO grind is horrid:
Buff, Click Monster, Click Attack, Wait, Wait, Wait, Loot, Repeat

I'm waiting for something truly fun & unique in the massively multiplayer genre though I'm partly scared that the WOW model is so entrenched that I won't recognise it when it comes out.
Thundercracker
Posted 12:19pm 22/1/10
Smaller scale WoW content like solo and 5 man dungeons are easy to jump on whenever and get some action. In this aspect its not that different from a single player RPG.

It's when you want to get into larger scale content like 10 man or 25 man raiding that it becomes serious business. If you want to run the content regularly you need to be in a guild, and if a guild wants to get anywhere they need to set regular raiding times. And all of this guild management takes a lot of time (recruiting, scheduling raids, stopping the monkeys from throwing s*** at each other etc).

I can't imagine other EQ-like MMOs to be any different.
Hogfather
Posted 12:36pm 22/1/10
MMO grind is horrid:
Buff, Click Monster, Click Attack, Wait, Wait, Wait, Loot, Repeat

Yeh absolutely.

That's why I'm liking space combat in STO - it feels VERY arcadey, you're always on the move, balancing shields, swinging your ship about for a sweet spot broadside volley overlapping forward and aft batteries, and have to be watching above and below for enemy signals and ranges. If you die you just respawn and punch it full impulse back into the fight.

Once you get beyond the starter ship you have a crew to manage with their own skills you can bring into play in combat. Then you do a fleet action with another 50 or so warships PEW PEW PEW for a half hour. No guild, no bulls***, just rock up to the instance and get matched up with the rest of the fleet.

It just seems so much more engaging than click mob, cycle skills, loot, find new mob..

last edited by Hogfather at 12:36:40 22/Jan/10
Pinky
Posted 12:36pm 22/1/10
I haven't played WoW just based on the pricing structure.

They can try and explain it however they want - it costs you this to play sport, this to go to the cinema - and our game is only THIS! I don't care, I'm still not paying by the month for a game.

The beauty about our hugely expanding games market is there is so much choice now :-P More games than you can poke a stick at, compared to 10 years ago when everyone was playing the same games ;-)
E.T.
Posted 01:13pm 22/1/10
Nice sum up there Hoggy :)
Trauma
Posted 01:57pm 22/1/10
Oblivion put me to sleep, literally. Not that I didn't like it, there was just something very odd about it that made me goto sleep. I actually used several night when I could not sleep to get to sleep.

Maybe with some people thrown into the mix it wont do that, maybe new tech.
FraktuRe
Posted 02:19pm 22/1/10
I want the Lego MMO.
3dee
Posted 02:45pm 22/1/10
Elder Scrolls works best as a single player game. If they can pull it then hats off to them, but I'd much rather an Elder Scrolls IV than and Elder Scrolls Online. I'm already up to about 90-100 hours logged in Oblivion since buying my 360 about a month ago and there's no clear end in sight yet. I haven't touched the main quest for weeks.

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FraktuRe
Posted 02:45pm 22/1/10
Isn't Oblivion Elder Scrolls IV anyway?
3dee
Posted 02:32pm 23/1/10
Yeah woops. I meant Elder Scrolls V...
Tollaz0r!
Posted 02:38pm 23/1/10
WoW owns the fantasy MMO market. I'm not interested in playing another fantasy based MMO. I want to play a sci-fi MMO with firearm based gameplay. I don't want it to be grind based too.

One day maybe.
fpot
Posted 02:46pm 23/1/10
I want a contemporary MMO
ViscoS
Posted 04:45pm 23/1/10
I want developers to stop thinking MMOs are an awesome idea.
Obinoodle
Posted 08:29pm 23/1/10
i like MMO's, however, i love being the center of attention (like the feeling from oblivion/mass effect/dragon age ect..), i don't like seeing people lvl 200 with godly spells and weapons. MMO's seem to have crappy graphics and usually lag for us Aussies, then the GRINDING IS BORING! all for a dam quest?. I like when the storyline is different for each class/race and stuff as it gives diversity, also when the quests have diversity too.. not all stupid kill this, defeat him, loot this, capture that. Making decisions throughout the game that can alter the outcome is VERY useful, i love being evil then good or balanced because it then makes me feel ORIGINAL!, and not like the noob across the street :)
Lynx
Posted 09:04pm 23/1/10
I'd say their best bet would be single player with a well implemented co-op option.
Look at the unexpected success of Borderlands. No one thought it would be as big a hit as it has become.
People have been begging for a good co-op sandbox rpg for ages and ages. What we have been given over the years has been fairly lacklustre.

Bethesda should also take note of the large modding community that follows their games. Release a full editing kit on day one and design their game with ease of modding in mind.

last edited by Lynx at 21:04:46 23/Jan/10
trog
Posted 09:01pm 23/1/10
Is there anyone else out there that has never played an MMO ever? Or is it just me.
HurricaneJim
Posted 09:05pm 23/1/10
MMO grind is horrid:
Buff, Click Monster, Click Attack, Wait, Wait, Wait, Loot, Repeat
Yeh absolutely.

That's why I'm liking space combat in STO - it feels VERY arcadey, you're always on the move, balancing shields, swinging your ship about for a sweet spot broadside volley overlapping forward and aft batteries, and have to be watching above and below for enemy signals and ranges. If you die you just respawn and punch it full impulse back into the fight.

Once you get beyond the starter ship you have a crew to manage with their own skills you can bring into play in combat. Then you do a fleet action with another 50 or so warships PEW PEW PEW for a half hour. No guild, no bulls***, just rock up to the instance and get matched up with the rest of the fleet.

It just seems so much more engaging than click mob, cycle skills, loot, find new mob..last edited by Hogfather at 12:36:40 22/Jan/10


Actually Hog its not that different to other MMOs. If anything you can do stuff solo as much as in a group. Very blurred lines between classes though. It plays much like Pirates of the Burning Sea but without the painful loss in death that PotBs has.

I've been enjoying immensely as there is a lot from all the ST Tv shows in it. It does keep faithful to Star Trek in that sense although I think the Crystaline Entity is badly done by...it gets wasted in seconds because it's spawn is camped.
Khel
Posted 09:18pm 23/1/10
Star Trek online is an MMO I wont be paying to play. I like that they've tried to do something new with it, and the space combat is pretty fun, but pretty much everything else apart from the space combat turns me off the game.

Also, its about time other developers start putting some thought and effort into their user interfaces. UI seems to always be pushed to the side as something unimportant, but in an MMO especially its hugely important. In Star Trek, the UI while you're controlling the ship is ok (if albeit a little bit crowded and confusing), but the UI in the bits where you're on foot just makes me sad. Its so big and gumby and I can't scale it and it feels laggy and they have that stupid "Walk up to people and press F to talk to them" interface going on that is just nonsenical, especially when theres multiple people all next to each other you can talk to. Feedback during the combat is pretty woeful too, you'd shoot some guy, and it would look like you missed because it had no effect, then a few seconds later he'd play his knockback and lose a big chunk of life. Its difficult to gauge if combat is going good or its going bad, since it all feels like the same confusing mess till suddenly you realise, oh, while I was fighting this guy, my away team have all run off and died. I dunno, I just felt the game did an extremely poor job of conveying any useful information to me at all.

Since you're spending 95% of your time in an MMO clicking things on the interface and looking at the interface, I would have thought it should be something developers would put a fair bit of time and effort into.
Spook
Posted 09:30pm 23/1/10

Is there anyone else out there that has never played an MMO ever? Or is it just me.


im with you baby
icewyrm
Posted 10:55pm 23/1/10
Forums are like an MMO, which is why you guys have such big post counts.
Hogfather
Posted 11:31pm 23/1/10
Khel: yeh the game goes to s*** as soon as you step off your ship, there are better FTP MMOs. I was mostly raving about the point-of-difference that the space combat makes cf. standard MMO fare, and how much more fun it was. It is possible to go Massive and not be a wow/eq clone.

The game as a whole isn't polished enough to take ~50US+subscription from me.
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