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Post by Steve Farrelly @ 12:19pm 12/08/09 | 76 Comments
Seriously, it's beyond a joke now that we, as adults, are denied games based on trivial oppositions by the OFLC. This time Risen a RPG by the guys who brought us the Gothic series, has bitten the dust because you smoke an imaginary drug in the game and engage in conversations with prostitutes.

Never mind that last night I watched several anime shorts containing much more graphic and mature content (rated MA15+), because as we all know, games are for kids.

I hate writing about this and I hate that we live in such a repressed country when it comes down to a state of parental awareness and adult decision-making. Get your act together OFLC, really.



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Triamks
Posted 12:22pm 12/8/09
I don't know what is sadder, that article or you getting upset about a game.
Steve Farrelly
Posted 12:24pm 12/8/09
what's wrong with being upset at the state of the industry you work in, an industry that is arguably the biggest in the world, yet is still treated in archaic fashion by dinosaurs who can't see parallels to sister industries such as movies and TV?
thermite
Posted 12:24pm 12/8/09
He's upset about our freedom.
Pinky
Posted 12:25pm 12/8/09
F*** off Triamks, you troll. It's about basic rights and the continual denial of the fact that the average gamer is 25+ yo.
Reverend Evil
Posted 01:08pm 12/8/09
as long as WoW doesn't get banned
Crash
Posted 01:45pm 12/8/09
Im with Steve on this one, OFLC needs to be updated to a better system.
GarG
Posted 02:24pm 12/8/09
Your the man steve, i know its frustrating. But dont give up the fight.

Old, South Australian Attorney Generals have to pass on some time.

Power to the people.
JamesBlunt
Posted 02:31pm 12/8/09
whats the average age on this forum lol
ctd
Posted 02:34pm 12/8/09
I would say mid 20s.

As long as they don't start banning good games I am sweet about it :P
Phooks
Posted 02:40pm 12/8/09
Well i'm the youngest on here and i'm 17+6 months :/

PROTECT ME, OFLC!!!
whoop
Posted 02:47pm 12/8/09
If we're talking about mental age, I'm sure there's people here who beat you phooks.

The government needs to implement facial recognition and fingerprint ID in everyone's home and link it to the household gaming system.
That way they can release higher rated games and, with everyones details on file in a massive database, the users could log in using their face & fingerprint and the game system (be it xbox, PC, or the WII) would instantly know how old you were and tell you to sod off if you're too young to play it.
euphoria
Posted 02:58pm 12/8/09
^ Microsoft's Natal would work for that.
Hogfather
Posted 03:02pm 12/8/09
i'm 17+6 months

Haha 17 year olds always count the months! 18th is a c*** of a wait from 17 eh? :)
That way they can release higher rated games and, with everyones details on file in a massive database, the users could log in using their face & fingerprint and the game system (be it xbox, PC, or the WII) would instantly know how old you were and tell you to sod off if you're too young to play it.

And everyone who likes to pick the 'terrorist' side gets added to a special club!

last edited by Hogfather at 15:02:25 12/Aug/09
qmass
Posted 03:33pm 12/8/09
I think there is much worse s*** going on in Australia than censorship of games as a result of a technicality (no R rating). Maybe you should think less about s*** games being denied classification and more about truly f***ed up s***.

What about the backwards f*****g contradiction in the laws view of abortion. Its tolerated? but is still not considered legal. What in the f***... I always thought our laws were pretty reasonable (queensland is one of the worst on most things, drugs and abortion) you read stories from America about the 17 year old kid that f***ed his 16 year old girl friend and ends up on the sex offender registry and you think nothing like that could ever happen here. But there really are totally f***ed up things going on.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/08/2620210.htm (cairns abortion case)

I mean what the f***. They just allowed sale of RU486 in certain places and at the same time are prosecuting a girl for taking a banned abortion drug. (disparity in laws between states is also pretty f***en weird)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/08/10/2650825.htm

How can you be worried about games censorship when s*** as serious as this is going on?

last edited by qmass at 15:33:35 12/Aug/09
Jim
Posted 03:32pm 12/8/09
easily
cos it's dumb to focus soley on one issue just because someone deems it more important than other issues
Zylox
Posted 04:00pm 12/8/09
I hate writing about this and I hate that we live in such a repressed country when it comes down to a state of parental awareness and adult decision-making.


You think that's bad? Wait until the 'Monetary powers' of the world force us to have RF chips inside of our bodies.
Hogfather
Posted 04:01pm 12/8/09
How can you be worried about games censorship when s*** as serious as this is going on?

Because humans and society can multi-task and focus on more than a single issue at a time.

By your logic I should focus 100% on the fact that I have Multiple Sclerosis, blocking out everything else, as its the most 'serious' issue that I personally face. And yet I manage to help raise the kids, run a business and remember my Mother's birthday (usually).

At the risk of sounding rude, the notion you should tunnel focus on an issue because its apparently the most important is a bit dopey really.
Khel
Posted 04:24pm 12/8/09
How can you be worried about games censorship when s*** as serious as this is going on?


Well, I work in the games industry, and I fill a significant part of my leisure time with games (as I would imagine Steve does, and a lot of people here do), so its an issue that cuts pretty close to home. If I spent my spare time performing abortions, I'm sure I would be much more interested in abortion problems.
greazy
Posted 04:36pm 12/8/09
The only way for things to change is for gaming games to abandon Australia as a market. Government wakes up, re-regulates things and then finally there won't be any problems like this.
deadlyf
Posted 05:02pm 12/8/09
Maybe you should think less about s*** games being denied classification and more about truly f***ed up s***.
Yeah I hate how people are topical and stuff. I can't believe they are wasting precious internet bytes talking about game based issues on a games forum. Someone think of the children!
Triamks
Posted 05:23pm 12/8/09
F*** off Triamks, you troll.


I think this would have be my first successful troll and what a nice reaction it was.

It's about basic rights and the continual denial of the fact that the average gamer is 25+ yo.


My views have been expressed in this thread already, but basically, what Hogfather has said, I agree with. But maybe you'd like to explain to me how playing a game (with mature content or otherwise) is a "basic right"?

last edited by Triamks at 17:23:13 12/Aug/09
Spook
Posted 05:11pm 12/8/09
censorship makes me so angry and sad at the same time
Nathan
Posted 05:18pm 12/8/09
Lets continue this discussion at ausaborters.com
corrino
Posted 05:47pm 12/8/09
Bloody Hell, another victim. *shakes head*
Yerolo
Posted 05:51pm 12/8/09
Steve: Don't blame the OFLC, they are simply following the guidelines which are placed upon them by the politicans we elect. You're angry at the wrong party
konstie
Posted 06:23pm 12/8/09
I'm pretty sure the policy hasn't changed regardless of who the politician is. It just simply isn't viewed as a big deal. Also nobody takes games seriously except for gamers (and those making money off us).

I don't think its right to compare this to abortion.
Trauma
Posted 08:08pm 12/8/09
Lame, as an adult I should be able to access any media content I want. It's just that simple.

BTW what is Risen? given it's got an RC now I wanna know what it's about.
Triamks
Posted 08:25pm 12/8/09
Lame, as an adult I should be able to access any media content I want.


No, no you should not. It's that simple. To live in society, you must abide by its rules. One being, censorship exists.
JamesBlunt
Posted 08:48pm 12/8/09
what was the game banned for anyway

op has no content only tears
ctd
Posted 08:52pm 12/8/09

has bitten the dust because you smoke an imaginary drug in the game and engage in conversations with prostitutes.

from the OP c***
JamesBlunt
Posted 08:56pm 12/8/09
wheres the oflc report

they always give reasons and what part caused it to be banned

OP has nothing no link or anything

eg http://www.australiangamer.com/news/1798_fallout_3_-_oflc_documents.html
ravn0s
Posted 08:59pm 12/8/09
i think it was banned for nudity and drug use
Tollaz0r!
Posted 09:09pm 12/8/09
So the OFLC gets to play these games, are they deranged maniacs that kill everything they see, you know because these games will make the general public like that. Otherwise why would you ban them?

Unless of course they don't play them....
Jim
Posted 09:48pm 12/8/09
wheres the oflc report

they always give reasons and what part caused it to be banned

OP has nothing no link or anything
did someone say tears?
Tribal08
Posted 10:11pm 12/8/09
Well lets put it this way, this game was banned for smoking a made up drug and you talk to prostitutes...Hell GTA you smoke weed kill people F*** prostitutes than kill them so you can get ya money back<.< ok maybe thats just me lol, but GTA is far worse than this crap being banned, Ona side note parents should get off their fat asses and actually look at what games they buy for their kids, Seriously, If you have a 10yo kid wanting GTA for example, Too f*****g bad, You know what content is in it, It is rated MA 15+ for a god damn reason!!!! Also note im not a parent, Obviously<.< lol ALso there should be a R rating for games, For the sheer fact i want to play games that have almost no boundries or limits, Some boundries being, too much sex scenes etc etc too much swearing, However if you shoot someones arm off id be swearing quiet a bit...
Trauma
Posted 10:16pm 12/8/09
Lame, as an adult I should be able to access any media content I want.
No, no you should not. It's that simple. To live in society, you must abide by its rules. One being, censorship exists.


You may be ok with some prick who thinks he knows all telling you what you can and cant view but I think I'll make that choice myself, besides any banned games can just be bought from overseas, usually for less cash also.
creed
Posted 01:43am 13/8/09
Lame, as an adult I should be able to access any media content I want.
No, no you should not. It's that simple. To live in society, you must abide by its rules. One being, censorship exists.


Many people live in societies where there is no censorship and material is released unclassified all the time. These people are called Americans. Are you saying that Australians shouldn`t be entitled to the same rights as Americans? Are Australians too immature? Seriously, whats your take?
Sipawhore
Posted 07:22am 13/8/09
Jebus, you people that believe in censorship are the same ones who would defend the monetary system with your life.
Hogfather
Posted 08:10am 13/8/09
These people are called Americans

Yeh, Americans are awesome!

America, f*** yeh!
Mephz
Posted 12:41pm 13/8/09
I think by their logic, yet illogical, train of thought is much like speed limits.

'Protect' the lowest common denominator [person/car] in the worst possible weather condition [mentally unstable/rain], and prevent 'unnecessary deaths'.

Doesn't quite work like that which is why its stupid.
GarG
Posted 12:53pm 13/8/09
here i was hoping id be able to smoke some made up drugs in a safe, clean environment - My PC.

Oh well, i better go source and smoke some real drugs to make up for this opportunity denied by the government. i mean i don't want to miss out on things in life! What if!

-_-
creed
Posted 01:20pm 13/8/09
here i was hoping id be able to smoke some made up drugs in a safe, clean environment - My PC.Oh well, i better go source and smoke some real drugs to make up for this opportunity denied by the government. i mean i don't want to miss out on things in life! What if!-_-


Actually the hippies in the ACT govt would be fine with that.
creed
Posted 01:23pm 13/8/09
These people are called Americans
Yeh, Americans are awesome!

America, f*** yeh!


Knock all you want, Americans have more freedom than you do. Maybe you should try to be more like them instead of just knocking and mocking everything thats superior to you.
Trauma
Posted 02:54pm 13/8/09
lol sick burn.
konstie
Posted 03:02pm 13/8/09
if americans' are so much better, why does everyone hate them?
creed
Posted 03:19pm 13/8/09
if americans' are so much better, why does everyone hate them?


jealousy. inferiority complex.
Hogfather
Posted 03:56pm 13/8/09
Knock all you want, Americans have more freedom than you do. Maybe you should try to be more like them instead of just knocking and mocking everything thats superior to you.

Awesome, I don't even need to put together a comeback or rebuttal; the quote is enough all by itself!
Triamks
Posted 04:14pm 13/8/09
Those Americas are too busy shooting themselves to play games.
creed
Posted 04:21pm 13/8/09
Those Americas are too busy shooting themselves to play games.


Tired old stereotype. really really lame. I lived in the US for 3 years and never got shot or saw anyone shot.

btw did you know Australia has the highest rate of violent rape in the world but America is only like 15th in the world in gun violence and rape?

Are Australians too busy raping each other to play games? Are you being raped right now?
Hogfather
Posted 04:28pm 13/8/09
Tired old stereotype. really really lame. I lived in the US for 3 years and never got shot or saw anyone shot.

Well I'm convinced, must be a media beat up then.

I'm also very confident that Australia isn't the worst place in the world for violent rape; somewhere unstable like South Africa, Somalia of Zimbabwe would win hands down.

We just actually keep accurate records.

last edited by Hogfather at 16:28:31 13/Aug/09
trog
Posted 04:29pm 13/8/09
btw did you know Australia has the highest rate of violent rape in the world but America is only like 15th in the world in gun violence and rape?
citation needed if you're going to start throwing around numbers like that

google tells me Australia is #3 (which is still pretty f*****g amazing!!! what the hell?)

edit: oh, I forgot: rugby league
Hogfather
Posted 04:34pm 13/8/09
which is still pretty f*****g amazing!!! what the hell

Record keeping trog.

If you're looking at this site:
DEFINITION: Total recorded rapes. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
In some parts of the world its much, much better for a rape victim to shut the f*** up about it. In Australia we regard rape as a violent act against the victim and pursue perps vigorously, so reporting is relatively common.

last edited by Hogfather at 16:34:15 13/Aug/09
creed
Posted 04:56pm 13/8/09
In Australia we regard rape as a violent act against the victim and pursue perps vigorously, last edited by Hogfather at 16:34:15 13/Aug/09


they do in America too. Yet America has a much much lower rate of rape than Australia. Why is that? Maybe in a society with guns people show more respect to other people?

Also speaking of reporting. I wonder how many American women use guns to stop a rape but then don`t report it because of gray areas on self defence with guns that exist even in America?
creed
Posted 05:06pm 13/8/09
I also blame stuck up Australian girls and their princess syndromes for the high rate of rape.
JamesBlunt
Posted 05:10pm 13/8/09
heaps of rapes arent counted cause they arent reported due to the close community they are in (aborginal) so were probly #1 easy
Hogfather
Posted 05:43pm 13/8/09
they do in America too. Yet America has a much much lower rate of rape than Australia.

Yeh, guns are saving americans from rape...

I'd expect that a lot of rapes in the States go unreported because of religious and privacy/public shame reasons. A large portion of the American people are very strongly religious, they don't call it the "Bible Belt" without good reason.

You'll recall the story recently of an American family who actually disowned their daughter because she was raped.

Rape is an invasive, emotional and difficult crime to prosecute. I wouldn't trust any statistics on incidence due to massively varying reporting rates and veracity of reports themselves. About all we can say with certainty is that its more prevalent in remote areas and definetly more common in areas without law and order.

The idea that a war-torn country like Zimbabwe has almost half the rape rate as Australia is patently absurd. Well, I guess its hard to report that you were raped when you are f*****g dead.

last edited by Hogfather at 17:43:00 13/Aug/09
JamesBlunt
Posted 05:47pm 13/8/09
uh, zimbabwe isnt at war
Jim
Posted 06:09pm 13/8/09
so?
funky
Posted 06:18pm 13/8/09
I also blame stuck up Australian girls and their princess syndromes for the high rate of rape.


are you really trying to sit there and suggest it is the girl's fault if they get raped?

just because women don't want to sleep with you personally doesn't make them stuck up or responsible for rape
Jim
Posted 06:24pm 13/8/09
bite
Bah
Posted 06:27pm 13/8/09
You'll recall the story recently of an American family who actually disowned their daughter because she was raped.
First line of that article
Offers of help are pouring in for an eight-year-old Liberian girl
I hardly see how the actions of an immigrant family are indicative of American attitudes.
Triamks
Posted 06:58pm 13/8/09
America is only like 15th in the world in gun violence and rape?


Gun violence or rape? Which is it? Only like like like, so they could be like number 1 or like number 5, like like like.
creed
Posted 07:03pm 13/8/09
they do in America too. Yet America has a much much lower rate of rape than Australia.
Yeh, guns are saving americans from rape...

I'd expect that a lot of rapes in the States go unreported because of religious and privacy/public shame reasons. A large portion of the American people are very strongly religious, they don't call it the "Bible Belt" without good reason.



America isn`t called "the bible belt" you dumbass, its a series of conservative states in America. Americas big cities are very very liberal and look down on religious conservatism. And Australia is plenty Christian aswell. Why do you expect Christians to not report rape? Are you f*****g dumb?
Triamks
Posted 07:04pm 13/8/09
America isn`t called "the bible belt" you dumbass, its a series of conservative states in America. Americas big cities are very very liberal and look down on religious conservatism. And Australia is plenty Christian aswell. Why do you expect Christians to not report rape? Are you f*****g dumb?


Speaks for itself, doesn't it?
Hogfather
Posted 07:05pm 13/8/09
Heh, you cal me a dumbarse and you miss that I was explicitly referring to a "portion" of America.
creed
Posted 07:10pm 13/8/09
I also blame stuck up Australian girls and their princess syndromes for the high rate of rape.
are you really trying to sit there and suggest it is the girl's fault if they get raped?

just because women don't want to sleep with you personally doesn't make them stuck up or responsible for rape


its partly their fault. I know so many good guys in Australia that can`t get any except from fat whales because Aussie b****** are so stuck up they won`t even talk to most guys. Ever since that Aussie btich married that Danish prince every btich in Australia wants to be the same.
Triamks
Posted 07:14pm 13/8/09
Are you sure it's not because your friends are all like you?
ViscoS
Posted 08:21pm 13/8/09
lol, massive QQ ITT.
Storm
Posted 11:01pm 13/8/09
Farrelly you're a nincompoop. The people to be angry at, who should be held to account for the lack of adult gaming options in australia aren't the OFLC, but the government. The OFLC merely enforces the law; they aren't policy makers.

I'm all for change, but if you'd actually spoken with anybody within the OFLC you'd realise that they too see the legislation they're charged with enforcing as flawed.
jadz0r
Posted 11:17pm 13/8/09
Man, I really feel like moving to America. Anybody else?
konstie
Posted 11:25pm 13/8/09
Man, I really feel like moving to America. Anybody else?


No way man, you'll get shot by bible bashing democrats over whether aborted babies can have gay marriage.
konstie
Posted 11:27pm 13/8/09
off the topic, check this out :

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sui_rat_in_age_15_24-suicide-rates-ages-15-24

we suck as a nation when it comes to negative statistics.
ViscoS
Posted 11:46pm 13/8/09
Wow, those New Zealanders sure know how to off themselves.
Steve Farrelly
Posted 12:13am 14/8/09
man, how off topic is this
creed
Posted 12:27am 14/8/09
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_car_the_percap-crime-car-thefts-per-capita

Australia is no 1 in car theft worldwide too. I remember when I used to work nights at Coles we`d sit on the dock and watch people torch stolen cars in the parking lot every other night.
creed
Posted 12:26am 14/8/09
btw Australia ranks behind the United States in the reporting of crime:

[url]http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rep_to_pol-crime-reporting-to-police[/url]
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