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Post by Dan @ 08:33am 18/06/09 | 110 Comments
Your fancy phone just got even fancier today with the release of v3.0 iPhone 3G firmware update.

Head over to apple.com to pick up the 250MB patch that boasts a pretty large swag of improvements and new capabilities. Here's a taste:
  • Cut, Copy & Paste with shake to undo
  • Landscape keyboard in key applications
  • Enhanced Messages application
  • Send and receive photos, contacts, audio files, and location via MMS*
  • Forward and delete single or multiple messages
  • Added search feature in Mail, Calendar, Notes and iPod
  • Spotlight search across iPhone
  • Support for CalDAV and subscriptions in Calendar
  • Improvements to Safari
  • Performance
  • HTML 5 support
  • HTTP Streaming audio and video
  • Auto-fill usernames and passwords
  • New Voice Memos application
Check the Apple site for more details and if that's not enough for you, learn how you can potentially do even more with your iPhone in AusGamers Guide to iPhone Jailbreaking (nb: Jailbreaking is not presently available for v3.0 but support for the new version is inevitably not too far away).



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Latest Comments
mongie
Posted 08:39am 18/6/09
Looks like the app store is being hammered? I WANT MY UPDATED IM CLIENT WITH PUSH NOTIFICATION!!@@!
Hyperslide
Posted 08:48am 18/6/09
guys word of warning .... it seems to be breaking exchange settings if ur setup for that.

Not 100% on this but have had a few reports at work about it today ....
jmr
Posted 09:00am 18/6/09
It's fine if you re-add the AC Hyper

I can host the update if someone wants to FTP it up, seems like apple is getting raped
BillyHardball
Posted 09:07am 18/6/09
Can we lock a couple of these threads so we know where to post?

I was a little excited about the shake to shuffle, but it seems next to useless: it only works while you either have the iPod open or while you have the controls open while the phone is locked. That is, the skip button has to be visible on screen to be able to shake to shuffle.

And copy only seems to work in text boxes???? I don't seem to be able to copy parts of peoples posts.

jmr
Posted 09:11am 18/6/09
Billy PM me your mobi - we're goin to QT 12-18 July I think, Hol, Me and some boys.

I just hope it fixes Exchange Push - I would have to f*****g reset the thing a few times a day because it would just suddenly stop working.

They've said improvements to calendar, can anyone elaborate on these ??

And regarding tethering - which carriers are currently supported? And BT drivers? Do they just come with itunes ?
trog
Posted 09:13am 18/6/09
iPod Touch users are, one again, screwed. I can't connect to their s***** store to see how much it costs, but you have to pay for it.
BillyHardball
Posted 09:16am 18/6/09
Will do.

As for calendars, so far I've noticed you can send invitations from the calendar app. Hopefully that means you can also receive them. I use google exchange thingo to sync calendars and contacts and I have had no worries so far.
3dee
Posted 09:16am 18/6/09
It's $10US to update.

Also, Billy, copy paste works in websites. You have to tap and hold on soemthing.
BillyHardball
Posted 09:20am 18/6/09
user guide for new stuff:
http://www.ismashphone.com/2009/06/how_to_use_best_40_features_of_iphone_3.html

Also, Billy, copy paste works in websites. You have to tap and hold on soemthing.

w0ot thanks! First qgl quote on iPhone for me!
mongie
Posted 09:33am 18/6/09
And regarding tethering - which carriers are currently supported? And BT drivers? Do they just come with itunes ?


Optus definately dont... I found a page in settings that says "Set up Internet Tethering" and when you press it it says "Call OPTUS to set up Tethering".

Meh, I wouldn't have used it anyway.

You don't need BT drivers for the iPhone, you just need a BT dongle with the associated software on your PC. Then you just search for a device and pair them together.

I WANT MY APPS, SHAZAM HAS BEEN UPDATED FFS, BUT I CANT EVEN DOWNLOAD IT!
trog
Posted 09:37am 18/6/09
It's $10US to update.

Also, Billy, copy paste works in websites. You have to tap and hold on soemthing.
apparently at the bottom of the page it says "only available for ipod touch (2nd generation)" - so does that mean I can't even pay for the update if I wanted to? I have a 1st gen touch.
Obes
Posted 09:48am 18/6/09
Optus definately dont... I found a page in settings that says "Set up Internet Tethering" and when you press it it says "Call OPTUS to set up Tethering".

That's because they are charging for tethering... it seems alot of telco's are doing it.
3dee
Posted 09:49am 18/6/09
apparently at the bottom of the page it says "only available for ipod touch (2nd generation)" - so does that mean I can't even pay for the update if I wanted to? I have a 1st gen touch.

Wha? I doubt that'd be the case. They didn't mention any incompatibility with iPod touch models.
Lits
Posted 09:50am 18/6/09
Is there a direct link to the 3.0 firmware file? I'm going to have to update a bunch of these today and would like to kick off the download before people start knocking on my door.
tequila
Posted 09:50am 18/6/09
trog, you fail

get with the times man!@!@

my 3g iphone is up for grabs on ebay right now even
TicMan
Posted 09:53am 18/6/09
That's because they are charging for tethering... it seems alot of telco's are doing it.


I haven't called them yet but if that's the case I PITY THE FOOL who receives me on the other end when I get through to Optus.

So far the only thing that doesn't work is Flight Control and I'm pretty upset about it, only found out when I sat down on the tram faced with my 20min trip into work without guiding those poor little planes to safety!@
3dee
Posted 09:54am 18/6/09
Flight Control works for me?!
boba
Posted 09:55am 18/6/09
There's a link on Whirlpool about Optus charging for tethering.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1222122
TicMan
Posted 10:03am 18/6/09
Flight Control works for me?!


Phew it is working now, it was possibly caused by some apps (not FC) sitting in the background still waiting to be updated.
TicMan
Posted 10:50am 18/6/09
On the Optus tethering, if you JB you can replace the carrier settings with one that allows tethering to occur.. and looks like you can JB 3.0 already!

Turns out you don't need to JB but run iTunes and select the carrier file manually. I'm trying this out now and will edit this post if it works.

last edited by TicMan at 10:22:52 18/Jun/09

Tethering on Optus!

If the mods delete the below then PM and I'll give you instructions on how to get tethering working on Optus.

* mods feel free to delete this section if you think it's not right to be here*
1) Download this file
2) Email the file "optus config/OptusTetherv1.mobileconfig" to yourself, open it up on your iPhone and click the attachment and install the settings.
3a) Mac users: instructions are in the "optus config/README" file
3b) PC users: open up CMD and go into your iTunes folder and run this;
"iTunes.exe /setPrefInt carrier-testing 1"
4) Open iTunes and shift-click the "Check for updates" button in your iPhone device.
5) Locate the "optus config/Optus_au.ipcc" file and double click this - this will update the carrier settings on your iPhone.
6) Do it again (well at least I had to)
7) The enable tethering option should now appear.

Thanks to this bloke on WP for the instructions.

last edited by TicMan at 10:50:10 18/Jun/09
3dee
Posted 10:13am 18/6/09
Lits, they're the same link...
Term
Posted 10:17am 18/6/09
The thing I've noticed most so far is the Bluetooth stereo profile upgrade, when making calls in the car the quailty is soooo better it isnt funny.
Hyperslide
Posted 10:35am 18/6/09
Thanks JMR I think we have managed to resolve it ...Cheers
mongie
Posted 10:35am 18/6/09
I wish I could use IM+ with push notifications, HURRY UP AND APPROVE IT APPLE!
eXemplar
Posted 10:36am 18/6/09
Lits, they're the same link...

No they aren't, one is for first gen and one for 3g - 1,1 vs 1,2

Is there a way to turn off that swipte left of home Search page?
mongie
Posted 10:42am 18/6/09
PS: Optus will announce tethering details on Sunday. Rumoured to allow the use of your monthly data.
Boxhead
Posted 10:59am 18/6/09
the carrier settings came down automatically for me when i installed the update.. tethering works fine through virgin/optus with no other intervention.. i did it via the bt since my usb cable has got flakey ends
jmr
Posted 11:00am 18/6/09
Got that working Davo

Am I going to get raped for usage? Or is it using my current 1.5GB allowance (timeless plan) ?

Mongie: re pairing, it will pair, then fails installing drivers. I am on Windows 7
TicMan
Posted 11:06am 18/6/09
I make no guarantees but the config file tells the iPhone to enable the tether screen and then the carrier update tells tethering to use the APN that the iPhone would normally use so it should be using your included plan data.
jmr
Posted 11:10am 18/6/09
Any ideas on Windows 7 ?
trog
Posted 11:12am 18/6/09
trog, you fail

get with the times man!@!@

my 3g iphone is up for grabs on ebay right now even
haha, yeh I guess I'm the a****** here for not rushing out and buying new hardware so I can get the latest software updates

are you serious? this is precisely the reason I refuse to get an iphone
TicMan
Posted 11:17am 18/6/09
Any ideas on Windows 7 ?


I tried with BT on my Win7 laptop and it's almost like a problem with the BT drivers and not tethering. Normally on this laptop (D63) the bluetooth light will shine in all its blue brightness to indicate bluetooth is enabled but I get nothing with Win7. However, I have the BT icon and can go in and d*** around with settings but it feels as if the radio isn't enabled.
$ack
Posted 11:24am 18/6/09
Apple announced Optus as a tethering launch partner. It turns out that the current range of plans with their included data (i.e $59 cap 500MB, $79 cap 700MB) will not be available to use as tethered data. This means that you'll have to pay for a data pack and have a separate quota for tethered/modem data.


Looks like i'll be sticking to 3.0 beta then!

Free tethering ftw.

EDIT: oh nice find TicMan, I'll check that out tomorrow.
Hogfather
Posted 11:20am 18/6/09
Bulls*** its cos you're a luddite trog!

Seriously though, how old is the 1st gen touch now? How long do you think its reasonable for them to continue to support it with OS updates?

Os*** did I just defend teh Apple? F***, someone gimme a bckpunch quick.

Edit: Oh, it was only September 2007?! F*** Apple. Douches, seriously, its not even two years..

last edited by Hogfather at 11:20:28 18/Jun/09
TicMan
Posted 11:22am 18/6/09
Looks like i'll be sticking to 3.0 beta then!

Free tethering ftw.


Or just read the post on how to get it working.
$ack
Posted 11:25am 18/6/09
Or just read the post on how to get it working.


dammit, you beat my edit :(
Term
Posted 11:26am 18/6/09
I'm gunna try that tethering post tonight on the wifes phone, and if it doesnnt work, backpunch for ticman!
jmr
Posted 11:31am 18/6/09
Yeah ticcles, I can pair it fine, and my BT light is on (obviously) but it won't install any drivers

GAY
3dee
Posted 11:57am 18/6/09
are you serious? this is precisely the reason I refuse to get an iphone

I don't seem to remember any other phone manufacturers doing what Apple does. Yes they might be long-overdue features, but a phone you buy in 2007 is a phone that keeps getting new features, access to apps etc.

If you wanted any more features in a Nokia or Sony, you need to buy a whole new phone.

Oh and 1G iPod touch should definitely be supported by 3.0 update.

There's a blog here
EDIT wrong clipboard link ><

last edited by 3dee at 11:57:09 18/Jun/09
mongie
Posted 11:56am 18/6/09
Have you gone to Settings > Network > Set up internet tethering?
trog
Posted 12:14pm 18/6/09
Seriously though, how old is the 1st gen touch now? How long do you think its reasonable for them to continue to support it with OS updates?
I totally support their right to charge for updates. I just think they're asshats for doing it and I'm using the power of my wallet to vote with my feet and take my business elsewhere to escape vendor lock in f*****y.

I know the iPhone is cool and fun, but at the end of the day the freedom s*** is important to me so I'm going to put my money where my big mouth is.
BillyHardball
Posted 12:15pm 18/6/09
Any features you guys have found useful so far? I quite like spotlight to start podcasts and songs - saves me from having to navigate through several menus. I actually used spotlight once legitimately to find an email already too and it worked great.

Only problem I've had with cut/paste is that when I wrote a long email, trying to scroll up and down the email was hard because it kept highlighting text.
Syco
Posted 12:17pm 18/6/09
I plugged my iPhone in and saw the update ready and got all excited. Downloaded quicker then it installed. Now it's installed I'm like "meh... and?" heh.
rubba-chikin
Posted 12:49pm 18/6/09
I had my phone JBed

Updated to 3.0 just now and I no longer have a settings icon... lulz

I can still get to it by doing a search though, weirdness.
d0mino
Posted 12:53pm 18/6/09
Updated to 3.0 just now and I no longer have a settings icon... lulz
quoting for the fun of it!
Hogfather
Posted 12:58pm 18/6/09
I like MMS, use it more than I expected. The messaging integration with the camera just makes it easy to send a quick snap.

Tethering is really great - no more worrying about network connections when demo'ing at a client's premises. It just works for me without hassles too, I may stay with Voda instead of my planned switch if Optus are jerks about it.

Spotlight being the left scroll form Home irked me for a while, I had been used to being able to scrol-scroll-scroll left to get to home and not overshoot. I find I use the Home-Home shotcut more now to avoid overshooting when heading to Home.

Cut Copy Paste takes getting used to and to avoid mis-highlight when you want to scroll, again I was used to being able to "rest" my finger before scrolling. But it definelty works well and Ive used it a fair bit.

Landscape keyboard in more apps is loverly but I need to remember its available more.

Voice memos was fun to play around with the kids.
3dee
Posted 01:15pm 18/6/09
Yeah even though all this new stuff is great, I honestly don't have any use for it a lot of the time.

Landscape keyboard I just forget about, copy/paste I don't really need to use much, MMS is something I never use, and I never have to use Search usually or I just have the habit of just finding it myself.

In my case the features are useful, but only when I need them which isn't often, so bit boring on the firmware front. The apps in 3.0 is whats going to be great.

I would actually like the 3G S simply for the speed and video capture.
Syco
Posted 01:31pm 18/6/09
Oh man, photos are so much better. They must've beefed up the post-processing.
3dee
Posted 01:33pm 18/6/09
On normal 3G iPhone?
Syco
Posted 01:42pm 18/6/09
Yep, before I had to almost steady the camera against an inanimate object and hold it there for a couple of seconds while taking the image, I just took a photo of my cat and there was no blur even though he was mid yawn (so moving).
jmr
Posted 02:38pm 18/6/09
Speed results from Indro

F*****g GG Optus - tethering is useless



This is my telstra 7 Series USB Adapter


Twisted
Posted 02:38pm 18/6/09
guys word of warning .... it seems to be breaking exchange settings if ur setup for that.

Not 100% on this but have had a few reports at work about it today ....
Sure does: http://qgl.ausforums.com/index.php/439207/?agn=thread&id=2751109#46

We've got a ticket in with Apple about it. Seems to be an issue with certificates or something along those lines.
Hogfather
Posted 02:43pm 18/6/09
F*****g GG Optus - tethering is useless

How is 120k per second "useless"? Were you intending to use phone tethering as your main internet conection or something? Sounds fine for basic use...
TicMan
Posted 02:44pm 18/6/09
Is it a non-trusted issuer or one of the lesser known kinds? Ours is issued by Entrust who aren't the most well known out there but I haven't had any Exchange problems.
Hogfather
Posted 02:50pm 18/6/09
Hmm Vodafone in Cairns - not bad! :)



(Tethered iPhone via Bluetooth)

Shame I don't get a reliable 3G connection at home ... I have wifi at home though duh :P
BillyHardball
Posted 02:52pm 18/6/09
Voice memos was fun to play around with the kids.

I tested this out this morning by recording a meeting with my supervisors. The recording went for 40minutes, and seemed to work fine. However, when trying to play the file back, it seems to want to load the whole thing, which took too long for me to bother with - instead, I thought I'd wait until I got home and transfer the file via iTunes. Then I tried to rename the file... not sure what I did, but the entire file seems to have been deleted. F*****G GREAT. So I'll revert back to using the $2.50 app I have for recording until I play with Apple's a bit more.
jmr
Posted 03:16pm 18/6/09
120kbit is useless hog

That 1mbit Telstra connection will work anywhere, but optus won't even get .1 everywhere
Hogfather
Posted 03:25pm 18/6/09
Sorry misread the data in haste - yeh 120 kilobits is f*****g hopeless.

last edited by Hogfather at 15:25:29 18/Jun/09
Jabroney
Posted 03:38pm 18/6/09
if i use the method shown previously to get optus tethering working, will it use my cap or will it charge me excess data as i am on the 59 cap.
Term
Posted 04:04pm 18/6/09
wheres your sense of adventure
tequila
Posted 04:08pm 18/6/09
haha, yeh I guess I'm the a****** here for not rushing out and buying new hardware so I can get the latest software updates


whos an a******?

you dont have to rush out and buy new hardware, but you knew the ipod touch had to pay for updates when you bought it .. so thats your own fault
if you had an iphone, any version - you would have the new version free of charge
BillyHardball
Posted 04:14pm 18/6/09
you dont have to rush out and buy new hardware, but you knew the ipod touch had to pay for updates when you bought it .. so thats your own fault
if you had an iphone, any version - you would have the new version free of charge

No, the 1st gen iPod Touch came out before any updates.
trog
Posted 04:20pm 18/6/09
whos an a******?
APPLE!@#!@#@!#@
you dont have to rush out and buy new hardware, but you knew the ipod touch had to pay for updates when you bought it .. so thats your own fault
I'd already made up my mind I wasn't going to buy an iPod Touch because of Apple's bulls*** policies way back then. I got it as a present though, so I feel like I can whine about it all I want.
tequila
Posted 04:28pm 18/6/09
eh fair enough I guess, but if you like it enough that you have used it for this long - is it not worth the $10 for a major version release?

how about in the scenario every mac user about to experience with OS X?
$29 to upgrade to the new version

I'm sure everyone who loves their mac will probably hand that over no worries, because its cheap in the grand scheme of things
I don't think microsoft will be giving out Windows 7 for $29 anytime soon
greazy
Posted 04:56pm 18/6/09
did you just compare the OS of a mobile to an OS of a computer?
infi
Posted 05:01pm 18/6/09
i would rather get a rock as a present.
tequila
Posted 05:06pm 18/6/09
my mobile is basically a computer
it runs a cut down version of the OS on my computer .. so yes, I did
greazy
Posted 05:08pm 18/6/09
wouldnt a cut down version cost less to upgrade?
tequila
Posted 05:17pm 18/6/09
how is $10 not less than $29 ?
greazy
Posted 05:25pm 18/6/09
wait, OSX upgrading costs $29? thats actually amazing. I thought the ipod update was $29.
Hogfather
Posted 05:27pm 18/6/09
I love how the most lack-lustre OS release in decades (ever?) is compared to Windows7 as though they are somehow comparable updates.

Greazy: its an appropriate price tag for the upgrade ;)
Tepid
Posted 05:28pm 18/6/09
its a sad day when apple fanboys are the majority on ausgamers.
Obes
Posted 05:45pm 18/6/09
iphone fan <> apple fan

iphone fan = I can't believe all the other phone companies make such s*** phones that come straight from the 90s.
Carson
Posted 06:41pm 18/6/09
I wish Optus would release cupcake for my HTC Dream!
Term
Posted 07:50pm 18/6/09
I agree with obes, to say because you like a specific peice of hardware you're somehow a fan of the whole company's work is rather bulls***. I dont even like alot of the things they do on the platform for the phone, but the phone itself is uber and those that resist its lure are poorer for it!
deadlyf
Posted 08:03pm 18/6/09
I'm pretty happy I didn't rush out and get an iPhone at the moment. True the main hold back for me is I have to go to Telstra who have uber s*** plans but now that the 3GS is comming out I'm pretty happy I didn't cave earlier.

That said I hope future iPhones aren't just minor updates over older ones because the 3GS+ will likely piss me off.
tequila
Posted 10:19pm 18/6/09
really easy tethering on iphone os 3.0

load http://help.benm.at/ in your iphone, that is all you need to do.
3dee
Posted 10:36pm 18/6/09
iPhone OS is a cut down version of Mac OS X anyway.

As for OS X update (Snow Leopard), most of it is refinements and major operating system optimisation. They've also removed a whole s***load of PowerPC crap which a lot of people never use (on Intel Macs), introduced OpenCL standard (GPGPU style API), created a highly optimised multithreading framework and completely gone 64-bit.

Basically, itll make your current Mac faster, and give you back up to 6gb (so they claim).

For 29 dorrar, thats a pretty good update in my book. The problem is that most users won't know what Snow Leopard is about (mostly behind the scenes stuff) so its obvious why the price to update is so small.

The difference between Windows 7 and Snow Leopard is that Windows 7 is fixing Vista, whereas Snow Leopard is merely making Leopard faster and more refined. That being said, Windows 7 kicks ass.
Hogfather
Posted 10:58pm 18/6/09
Lol ... What is 7 fixing that's broken in Vista 3dee?
3dee
Posted 11:01pm 18/6/09
Well thats the general consensus. It worked fine on my computer but god its been horrible on my dads. Windows 7 is so much better anyway.
Hogfather
Posted 11:09pm 18/6/09
7 is quite nice I agree, and has a lot of improvements and enhancements.

But it's not a fix for Vista, because Vista isn't broken.. It's just better than Vista in a number of ways.

It's kind of cute how the apple guys list the speed of opening the disk tray as a highlight of snow leopard though.

3dee
Posted 11:13pm 18/6/09
Yeah some silly ones in there. Most users wouldn't have a clue why its any better or what any of the better stuff actually meant.

Multithreading architecture? WTF is that..
OpenCL???
Storm
Posted 11:18pm 18/6/09
Tic that anti-optus tethering thingy is legendary.

good show.



3dee
Posted 11:20pm 18/6/09
I had tethering option for Telstra in GM before the public release but now the option is gone lol.

Not that I have any use for it...
HeardY
Posted 06:24am 19/6/09
I'll let you decide if this is cool or just plain sad....

Martz
Posted 07:25am 19/6/09
Cool and sad at the same time. His search for wiki in google came up lightning fast??
Jim
Posted 08:41am 19/6/09
dunno, did it?
3dee
Posted 08:45am 19/6/09
Apparently its fake. How does one run the firmware on a Mac huh?? The iPhone Simulator is an app, and the iPhone OS itself is all ARM code.
`ViPER`
Posted 08:48am 19/6/09
That actually looks like it would be cool to have in the kitchen or something.
BillyHardball
Posted 09:25am 19/6/09
But it's not a fix for Vista, because Vista isn't broken.. It's just better than Vista in a number of ways.

Vista seems broken on my home PC:( Frequently freezing up, takes ~10seconds to load Firefox, takes about 2seconds to open the f*****g start menu.... has been the same since I bought it.
rubba-chikin
Posted 10:31am 19/6/09
Another easy tethering unlock site

http://tetherme.lstoll.net/
Opec
Posted 11:02am 19/6/09

Apparently its fake. How does one run the firmware on a Mac huh?? The iPhone Simulator is an app, and the iPhone OS itself is all ARM code.


Yep the author of the vid confirms that it's indeed fake:

http://www.dreamfield.se/2009/06/iphoneipod-viral-experiment/

However, it would be cool, maybe Apple should create another consumer appliance using iPhone OS.

Hogfather
Posted 11:16am 19/6/09
Vista seems broken on my home PC:( Frequently freezing up, takes ~10seconds to load Firefox, takes about 2seconds to open the f*****g start menu.... has been the same since I bought it.

How much RAM? Vista is a bit of a glutton for memory unfortunately, and some vendors (or possibly MS themselves?) were a bit optimistic with how much ram they could get away with.

My wife's low-end Dell laptop just didn't perform that well with Vista either.

Upping the RAM to 1.5G helped some, but installing 7 was the killer fix. I think you can tweak Vista's performance for lower-end hardware a fair bit by turing off a bunch of services etc.
BillyHardball
Posted 11:27am 19/6/09
I think I have 3gig of RAM (definitely at least 2). It was a new Dell PC that was about $1700... No reason to expect Vista to be sluggish out of the box.

Edit - just checked invoice:
-3GB (2X1GB/2x512MB) NECC Dual Channel DDR2 667MHz SDRAM Memory


last edited by BillyHardball at 11:27:42 19/Jun/09
Hogfather
Posted 11:27am 19/6/09
^
None at all - no idea why your computer sucks BH :(

I'm assuming its a driver or related issue somewhere, as its not like that for everyone!
BillyHardball
Posted 11:30am 19/6/09
And because I don't really have a clue about drivers, or what I should be looking for to make it better, I put up with it (I also put up with the screen flicking blank and then coming up wtih a dialogue box everytime I try to install something - that's a different issue that I spent ages fixing, then the alternative had something just as gay where I had to run everything as administrator). The idea that a Mac "just works" means that I will be getting a Mac for my next PC, especially because of how much I <3 iTunes and iPhone.
Hogfather
Posted 11:35am 19/6/09
Out of curiosity, how do macs handle the seperation of admin and user privs?

Do you need to elevate to perform admin functions like you do in Windows or Unix / Linux?
TicMan
Posted 11:36am 19/6/09
Anyone on Optus noticed better reception since the update? I always had 3G drop out and fall back to GRPS at Hawthorn station and then it would always loose reception full stop from Richmond to Flinders St stations, every single day! Today though I've had full bars since leaving home.
Opec
Posted 11:53am 19/6/09

Out of curiosity, how do macs handle the seperation of admin and user privs?

Do you need to elevate to perform admin functions like you do in Windows or Unix / Linux?


You do similar to Unix's sudo command in the back end, since OS X is based on BSD Unix. I think you just get a pop up to put in a password to do certain thing or something.
Jim
Posted 11:54am 19/6/09
(I also put up with the screen flicking blank and then coming up wtih a dialogue box everytime I try to install something - that's a different issue that I spent ages fixing, then the alternative had something just as gay where I had to run everything as administrator)
*slaps forehead*
3dee
Posted 11:56am 19/6/09
Out of curiosity, how do macs handle the seperation of admin and user privs?

Do you need to elevate to perform admin functions like you do in Windows or Unix / Linux?

sudo is the Unix command to allow admin privs to binaries

But in Mac OS X it'll just ask you for your password if it needs to do privileged stuff.

Doesn't happen very often. Sometimes when installing apps (through an installer).
Hogfather
Posted 12:14pm 19/6/09
Yeh that's what I thought. I don't think that its realistic to expect to get away from requesting privs in a properly divided OS.

Vista was so awkward about it because of the number of instances where elevation was required more than anything else. After about ten years or so of 99% of users having local admin it seemed that everywhere you turned something needed to be elevated.

I still see itoccassionally when I'm writing software - my brain will turn off and I'll accidentally attempt to open a HKLM value in read write, or casually write out to a file in program files by using the module path.

The decision to give users having local admin by default back in the day really was a bit dopey. I'm guessing it was driven by a desire to have all those 95 kernel apps work in win 2000 and avoid the dramas over UAC in Vista.
tequila
Posted 12:24pm 19/6/09
sudo is the Unix command to allow admin privs to binaries

But in Mac OS X it'll just ask you for your password if it needs to do privileged stuff.


I lol'd, that password prompt = sudo routines
3dee
Posted 12:40pm 19/6/09
Yeah.. I know.. By Mac OS X I mean the GUI. 99% of users don't know wtf a Terminal is.
Hogfather
Posted 12:54pm 19/6/09
99% of users don't know wtf a Terminal is.

Must be a mac thing? I reckon maybe half of the computer users I've encountered can manage to open a command prompt and bash in a command.
Jim
Posted 01:11pm 19/6/09
yeah and teq is talking about the gui 3dee
3dee
Posted 01:34pm 19/6/09
I'd say that most users aren't literate computer nerds like us...
Hogfather
Posted 02:01pm 19/6/09
Absolutely - but opening the command prompt and entering a command is something most Windows users eventually encounter.

I honestly don't think that 99% of Windows users would be unable to get that task done. Maybe you really never need to go near a command prompt, its possible given the tight coupling of hardware and software.

Its probably on balance a bad thing. The number of times I've seen people who have no f*****g clue be quite happy bringing up regedit...
3dee
Posted 02:16pm 19/6/09
Haha yeah there's dirty tricks many people end up learning
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