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Post by trog @ 10:50am 22/05/09 | 119 Comments
It's out! The full change log is now available - here's a snippet looking at the major changes
Sniper:

* Added new sniper rifle replacement, The Huntsman. Instead of a sniper rifle, you have a bow that allows you to move around faster while firing, and fire more quickly than the sniper rifle. Works better at medium range than the standard rifle
* Added new SMG replacement, Jarate. If thrown on an enemy they will take more damage for short period of time. Also extinguishes flames on yourself or allies
* Added new SMG replacement, The Razorback. Will protect you against a single spy backstab, and stun the spy for a short period of time. Comes with a 15% move speed penalty for the wearer
* Standard sniper rifle now shoots through friendly players
* Added 54 new Sniper voice lines
* Added 35 new Sniper achievements

Spy:

* Added new revolver replacement, The Ambassador. First shot is very accurate and will cause a critical hit if it hits an enemy's head. Accuracy is poor for a period after that
* Added new watch replacement, the Dead Ringer. When armed, you will appear in all ways to die to the first damage you take from an enemy. You'll be cloaked for 8 second after taking this damage. Upon de-cloaking you'll make a loud, distinct sound
Added new watch replacement, the Cloak and Dagger. Your cloak meter is only depleted when you move, so you can stay invisible indefinitely if you're standing still
* Added 70 new Spy voice lines
* Added 34 new Spy achievements
There's a massive stack of other changes, so check the full list for the details. Bounce Steam, update, enjoy.



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Latest Comments
CHUB
Posted 10:52am 22/5/09
BAM!

Time to hammer out this assignment quickly.

Then payload race time!!!!
TiT
Posted 11:06am 22/5/09
yeh cant wait will be playin tonight...

add me on steam _TiT_
ravn0s
Posted 11:08am 22/5/09
no sniper melee replacement? lame :(
CHUB
Posted 11:11am 22/5/09
* Standard sniper rifle now shoots through friendly players


:O!

Missed that.

Very good news, makes the sniper much more powerful on 24-32 player servers.
trog
Posted 01:37pm 22/5/09
* Standard sniper rifle now shoots through friendly players
:O!

Missed that.

Very good news, makes the sniper much more powerful on 24-32 player servers.
that sort of s*** is exactly the reason I don't play TF2; its so newbed up I can't just can't it seriously.
thermite
Posted 01:46pm 22/5/09
Yeah that's f***ed, I loved standing infront of team mate snipers and they'd be like "boo hoo I can't shoot because of that a****** soldier" and then I'd be like "wtf are you complaining about? look.. my rockets go right through team mates, no problem!" ehehe. Oh well at least you can still crouch at the snipers feet and give him the s**** that way.
CHUB
Posted 01:48pm 22/5/09
that sort of s*** is exactly the reason I don't play TF2; its so newbed up I can't just can't it seriously.
What?

Teammates always seem to walk directly in front of perfect headshots.

It's a good fix, just like Smokers fix in L4D being able to tounge through common infected.
Trauma
Posted 08:34pm 22/5/09
TF2 is not meant to be taken seriously trog, it's one of those mindless games when you just wanna mess around with stupid s***.
greazy
Posted 10:46pm 22/5/09
How many achievements do you need to get the first weapon on sniper? Isn't it 10 (11 if you could the achievement for getting 10 achievements)?
Phooks
Posted 10:52pm 22/5/09
I was laughing so hard in that spy update list. He is so imbalanced now it's frankly quite hilarious.

The new sniper deaths are pretty cool to watch. and dispensers giving more than max ammo is a great idea.

So, apparently some people are getting weapon unlocks without achievements.

I have no idea how, but I was dominating 6 people, got a fair few achievements for spy and sniper, and at the top of the game, so it's definitely not a points/domination/achievement thing.

Some people were saying you picked them up?
thermite
Posted 10:59pm 22/5/09
The backstab is quicker now too, it seems to prime itself when you're behind someone even with your cloak on.
Phooks
Posted 11:07pm 22/5/09
it seems to prime itself when you're behind someone


The trick is to stab them before that animation comes up.
boba
Posted 11:10pm 22/5/09
been playing for afair bit this arvo/tonight and not 1 weapon has dropped
thermite
Posted 11:20pm 22/5/09
Same, I played for 3 hours, not one weapon new or old. Meanwhile I'm getting arrows and piss thrown at me.
FraktuRe
Posted 11:22pm 22/5/09
I got natascha again, f*****g useless whore she is.

nothing useful :(
Phooks
Posted 11:31pm 22/5/09
How did you get it frakture? did you see it? does it get stored in your inventory?
reload!
Posted 11:49pm 22/5/09
got 2 sandmans and 2 natasha. boo
greazy
Posted 11:52pm 22/5/09
Haha so everything is f***ed. That's awesome.
FraktuRe
Posted 11:54pm 22/5/09
It just randomly came up after I died one time.
Dazhel
Posted 12:39am 23/5/09
It's a bit messed up, I hope they put some things back to the way they were or at least improve them in the next patch:
1. You now find new and old items as you play, instead of through achievements
^^ Crap, so basically being rewarded with unlocks is random. Nice going.
2. Spy disguise and weapon UI doesn't show up in mini mode anymore. I'll have to switch to full hud to get disguise notifications. (with disguises quick bound to keys 1-7 it's helpful to just hit one quickly and then read what you were disguised as)

Also, scoreboard changes, it's hard to tell whos's what and who's dead nowadays due to: 'Dead players draw slightly darker in scoreboard' & 'Converted class labels to class icons'

Crakaveli
Posted 01:09am 23/5/09
Yeah this patch is pretty bad imo. I "Unlocked" 5 weapons i already had ffs. But i got lucky and got the cloak and dagger which is so f***** awesome.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 07:17am 23/5/09
I'm also disappointed with the unlock method.

Nothing is more frustrating then seeing other people get something, then finally when it is your turn BAM! your given a fkn Sandvich or something.
greazy
Posted 09:19am 23/5/09
Wait I don't get it, you have to unlock the item and then find it to use it? Or just simply find it?
boba
Posted 09:57am 23/5/09
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2535

"That new system watches the amount of time that players are playing TF2, and gives them a chance to find items at regular intervals."
greazy
Posted 10:11am 23/5/09
They've turned it into some weird RPG-FPS.

What the jesus:Some of the next things we have planned are:

- Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates.

- Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items.

- Adding more rare items like the hats.
Dazhel
Posted 10:58am 23/5/09
lvl 6 heavy lfg!
wtb empty jarate jars!
greazy
Posted 11:43am 23/5/09
Actually after playing for a bit and getting the ambassador, it's not so bad. If only they had implemented the trading system with it at the same time. At the moment it's pure s*** because you'll get 10 items you already have and 1 you don't have and you can't trade it with others.
CHUB
Posted 11:51am 23/5/09
Pipeline is officially the greatest map ever, for any game.

Valve have really outdone themselves!

Also, scoreboard changes, it's hard to tell whos's what and who's dead nowadays due to: 'Dead players draw slightly darker in scoreboard' & 'Converted class labels to class icons'


Complete and utter s***, looks crap and as you said makes identifying s*** off the board harder.

Surely there's an option to change it back?

last edited by CHUB at 11:51:05 23/May/09
ravn0s
Posted 12:39pm 23/5/09
bah got the update this morning now when i try to connect to servers it says server is enforcing particles\water_dx80.pcf and disconnects :/

edit: guess ga servers havent been updated. others servers work fine

last edited by ravn0s at 12:39:54 23/May/09
reso
Posted 12:02pm 23/5/09
hacker
boba
Posted 12:09pm 23/5/09
Actually after playing for a bit and getting the ambassador, it's not so bad. If only they had implemented the trading system with it at the same time.
guess you have been lucky, 9.1 hours and not one drop yet, old or new.
The GuVna
Posted 12:23pm 23/5/09
I picked up 2 new ones I had'n't had in 2 hours of play, with that alone I've caused 3 ragequits by informing fellow players of that.

I just want the hats
greazy
Posted 12:24pm 23/5/09
gonna sell the hats for money.
Midda
Posted 12:29pm 23/5/09
I've played like 10 hours since the update came out, and so far all I've got Ambassador (and I only JUST got that on the last map I played). It's retarded, with all of the spy achievements I've earned so far, I'd be on my way to the third milestone by now.
reload!
Posted 01:19pm 23/5/09
theres been a couple of updates since its been out. hopefully theyll tune it up pretty quickly
Fish
Posted 01:44pm 23/5/09

- Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates.

- Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items.

- Adding more rare items like the hats.

World of TeamFortess?!?!
Way to turn a good game into pure s***.
CHUB
Posted 01:53pm 23/5/09
World of TeamFortess?!?!
Way to turn a good game into pure s***.


Yeah, f*** off Valve.

It's a FPS, we want to kill people.
reload!
Posted 01:56pm 23/5/09
i cant tell if you're being serious chub :/
CHUB
Posted 02:01pm 23/5/09
I'm serious, get that s*** out of the game.

Played a couple more hours this morning... then got the Bonk drink again :S

I have 800+ hours in TF2, how much longer do I have to play to get new unlocks? :S
shad
Posted 02:09pm 23/5/09
I prefer the old unlock method, even if the made it so you couldn't get multiple of the same weapons through random unlocks it would be better.
CHUB
Posted 02:22pm 23/5/09
I possibly wouldn't mind random unlocks if it only gave you what you didn't have.

This trading system though (from reading TF2 forums), seems like it's setup so no matter how long you play, you won't get all the unlocks.

You will need to trade.
greazy
Posted 02:50pm 23/5/09
Which is hilarious because the trading system isn't implemented yet!
CHUB
Posted 02:55pm 23/5/09
Hence the frustration :S
Mephz
Posted 03:07pm 23/5/09
Trading....
Level X item...

Lame.

Played for awhile and got a few unlocks that I already have.... back to not playing TF2 for another few months, GG to valve for messing it all up.
ravn0s
Posted 03:12pm 23/5/09
lol most of the ga servers are empty because they havent been updated.
FraktuRe
Posted 03:14pm 23/5/09
Fixed cloaked Spies being able to taunt attack



awww.. that was the most fun part of the update!

Taunt killing engineers and their buildings while invisible ftw.
koopz
Posted 03:16pm 23/5/09
bah got the update this morning now when i try to connect to servers it says server is enforcing particles\water_dx80.pcf and disconnects :/


I renamed ClientRegistry.blob to cClientRegistry.blob, and forced a 'verify integrety' check. that seems to have fixed it here.

as someone said, there's been a couple of updates since - could be related.

3rd party maps show water as bright florecent pink now :/
koopz
Posted 03:17pm 23/5/09
lol most of the ga servers are empty because they havent been updated.


you'd think the server would auto-update like the client.

meh
$ack
Posted 03:32pm 23/5/09
you'd think the server would auto-update like the client.

Server console need to be killed in order to perform an update.

And the updates come out randomly (No patch Tuesday here)
shad
Posted 04:16pm 23/5/09
Just got my 3rd Axtinguisher. What a load of s***.
CHUB
Posted 04:34pm 23/5/09
I got an item (Flare gun :S), in spec mode.

Didn't even do anything.

Just awarded me an unlock that I already have.

Retarded.
reload!
Posted 04:40pm 23/5/09
I wonder what they were thinking. Valve weird me out cos they can be so f*****g awesome but can also be simply spastic.
d0mino
Posted 05:33pm 23/5/09
i got cloak and dagger while speccing, actually, im speccing right now! hopefully will get the jarate soon, looks fun.
shad
Posted 05:35pm 23/5/09
Would you be able to just start your own server and sit there to get the weapons?
thermite
Posted 05:47pm 23/5/09
This is f***ed I can't get anything :/
Snakeman
Posted 05:47pm 23/5/09
Seems Gamearena need to install s*** at thier end now cuz anyhting with water in it dosn't work with the new update because of that water.blog error.

Midda
Posted 08:06pm 23/5/09
F*****g sweet, got another Bonk too. This update had the potential to be the best one yet by a long shot, but they f***ed it. :(
ravn0s
Posted 09:08pm 23/5/09
Would you be able to just start your own server and sit there to get the weapons?


yes

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=871697
athzhr
Posted 11:07pm 23/5/09
GODDAMNIT



I've played for a total of about 5 hours, and haven't gotten a single f*****g unlock.


I want the jar already :(
ravn0s
Posted 10:19am 24/5/09
had my own server going for about 3 hrs lastnight. didnt get anything
Alt_F4
Posted 10:32am 24/5/09
I've played for a few hours over the weekend, got fairly lucky. Got a handful of old unlocks, 2 Huntsman, Ambassador, and the Cloak and Dagger.

The Huntsman is pretty fun to use, you can kill so many people just by aiming at corners. But in terms of standing far back and sniping, the rifle is much better.

The payload race mode is pretty fun, If only they released another map with it.
LOLWAT
Posted 11:33am 24/5/09
The updates pretty cool cause ppl just get there weapons in like 30 mins cause they go in an achivment server so it acually makes em play i think its a good idea considering i accidently deleted my sandman and i got it bak . same with 3 uber saws and 2 sanviches its just kinda s*** that u can also get old ones like u know
if u have all the weapons on other ones it should let u get old ones
thermite
Posted 11:47am 24/5/09
god damn these free weekenders, sometimes I feel like I am the only one playing.

I spawn with like 2 or 3 blokes, and by the time I'm at at the front line they've all wandered off somewhere.

last edited by thermite at 11:47:57 24/May/09
ravn0s
Posted 11:48am 24/5/09
The updates pretty cool cause ppl just get there weapons in like 30 mins cause they go in an achivment server


actually instead of people grinding achievements, all they are doing is joining servers with no idle kick and leaving the game running while they do something else.
ctd
Posted 11:48am 24/5/09
I still don't understand what the go with this s*** is? So randomly the weapons will be given to you permanently? Or do they reset every time you play?

Sounds s***.
CHUB
Posted 11:51am 24/5/09
Definitely Thermite.

One guy thought I was a spy yesterday, followed me for ~90 seconds, putting shot after shot into me... then when I got to there base (was going backway, he followed me the entire time), he gave me away within seconds (still shooting me).

He wasn't a griefer, just a f*****g nub.
I still don't understand what the go with this s*** is? So randomly the weapons will be given to you permanently? Or do they reset every time you play?

Sounds s***.
Sort of random, partially based on time. Majority of people get them at certain time intervals, but some don't, Valve made it this way.

Yes they're permanent.

last edited by CHUB at 11:51:34 24/May/09
DeePer
Posted 01:46pm 24/5/09
this thread is a waterfall of tears
Crakaveli
Posted 01:51pm 24/5/09
I left my game running overnight spectating in an achievement server woke up and had gotten the flare gun, which i already had, cloak and dagger which i already had and the ambassador which i already had.
FraktuRe
Posted 02:02pm 24/5/09
The only new thing i've got is the ambassador, which seems pretty s***.
ravn0s
Posted 02:10pm 24/5/09
The only new thing i've got is the ambassador, which seems pretty s***.


what?? thats pretty much all ive seen spies using because its so op
Crakaveli
Posted 02:56pm 24/5/09
OP? i must be using it wrong
FraktuRe
Posted 03:04pm 24/5/09
rav: yesterday it was bugged, today the fixed it and it doesn't do s*** all.
ravn0s
Posted 03:55pm 24/5/09
what did they do to it?

just got dead ringer and kritz again :/
greazy
Posted 04:09pm 24/5/09
It's useless even if it did work. Just gives you a critical shot if you hit the head, but after the first shot it gets a lot less accurate. I thought it's going to be like a minisniper.
reload!
Posted 06:39pm 24/5/09


last edited by reload! at 18:39:49 24/May/09
koopz
Posted 05:39pm 24/5/09
Aw 88.198.6.169:27017 is down :(

I'd pay those guys a grand to find out how they did that



last edited by koopz at 17:39:47 24/May/09
greazy
Posted 08:23pm 24/5/09
We realised our idea was retarded, but instead of changing it or even implementing it properly, we're going to do what Korean MMORPG's due and make you idle to boost player numbers.
koopz
Posted 08:31pm 24/5/09
err... you know you can have every weapon and every unlock in 20 seconds if you're an admin don't you?



I'd post how they do it but I still can't nut the s*** out :/
Dazhel
Posted 12:07am 25/5/09
I have a radical idea - how about Valve just unlock all of the weapons for everyone that's bought the game (not free weekenders)?

They could then make a web site that lets people pay $29.99 to buy some stupid rare hat drops that nobody wanted in the first place.


last edited by Dazhel at 00:07:06 25/May/09
ravn0s
Posted 11:26pm 24/5/09
im loving this unlock system. 3 dead ringers!!
boba
Posted 08:11am 25/5/09
whinging helps. I have 2 out of 3 unlocks for both spy and sniper now.
TiT
Posted 10:00am 25/5/09
what the hell does the hat do?
CHUB
Posted 10:03am 25/5/09
Nothing, you just wear it.

I got the soldier hat (helmet), has a pack of ciggies and a playing card (ace?) stuck in it.
Midda
Posted 10:29am 25/5/09
I got the Demoman fro while spectating yesterday. Sure, that was cool, but it doesn't quite make up for the 4 Axtinguishers, 2 Natacshas, 3 Bonks, 3 KGBs, 2 Sandviches, 3 flare guns, 2 ubersaws, and 2 Sandmans that I now have.

Give me my f*****g Spy watches!
boba
Posted 10:32am 25/5/09
i'll trade you the hat for both spy watches....oh wait valve haven't implemented that yet
giririsss
Posted 10:36am 25/5/09
i've got the spy watch.

never play spy

want uber saw, and natascha.

also, i hope all you spectating bastards die in a fiery hell!

logged onto the node 32player server, and half of the people were speccing. same for the 2fort server.
Le C***
Posted 10:37am 25/5/09
this is s*** as. I just like to have a game now and then and i want all the weaps - i dont want to have to play 100 hours to get them. and it just makes me want to play even less when i cant use the cool new stuff that everyone else has.
casa
Posted 10:42am 25/5/09
imo sniper with piss jar + hunter bow will dominate
thermite
Posted 10:43am 25/5/09
yeah I've totally been put off playing knowing that if things were normal and the rewards were based on my efforts I'd have 2 spy unlocks now, but instead I have none, and people who idle and play like crap but have a lot of time get all the weapons.
ravn0s
Posted 10:44am 25/5/09
i would have preferred they waited until they had the trading system done before giving us this update.
reso
Posted 10:44am 25/5/09
also, i hope all you spectating bastards die in a fiery hell!


Haha, I left mine open on a server today too. Won't say which one so boba doesn't kick me like a c***.
boba
Posted 10:53am 25/5/09
Haha, I left mine open on a server today too. Won't say which one so boba doesn't kick me like a c***.
I do believe someone is looking into a mod to kick afk spectators =P
casa
Posted 11:02am 25/5/09
Are they stupid? Just make your own and idle in that, left mine running last night now i have every unlock in the game
boba
Posted 11:06am 25/5/09
tried playing on a 24 player server with 17 people spectating?
reso
Posted 11:09am 25/5/09
Make me unkickable!

Are they stupid? Just make your own and idle in that, left mine running last night now i have every unlock in the game


If I hosted my own server it would keep losing connection to Steam/Steam Cloud so I didn't want to risk wasting 9hrs.

last edited by reso at 11:09:26 25/May/09
reso
Posted 03:00pm 25/5/09
Damnit, all that "playing" and all I got was another pair of gloves.
casa
Posted 03:04pm 25/5/09
You didnt want to risk wasting 9 hours when you wouldnt be playing anyway? :)
reso
Posted 03:13pm 25/5/09
And risk the chance of missing out on getting s***** dupes? NO WAY!!!!!!
greazy
Posted 04:15pm 25/5/09
I'm surprised TF2 doesn't have a call vote option.
koopz
Posted 07:36pm 25/5/09
Are they stupid? Just make your own and idle in that, left mine running last night now i have every unlock in the game


I scored a good tip from someone that's worked for unlocks:

play the classes that you use the least. I got 4 weapon unlocks in an hour while mucking around in a couple of Surf maps, and not really killing anyone :/

talk about random...







last edited by koopz at 19:36:50 25/May/09
greazy
Posted 09:48pm 25/5/09
Or you could do this:

Just play the game and let the new weapons come to you. Stop stressing over it and stop saying that by now if the old system was in place you would have every item because the current achievements are much easier the the previous ones.
Crakaveli
Posted 02:41am 26/5/09


This is f*****g stupid. I had all the previous unlocks before this patch too.
Crakaveli
Posted 02:59am 26/5/09
Oh sweet, Just got another ambassador !
reso
Posted 10:51am 26/5/09
Haha, mine looks pretty similar, except replace all those watches and flare guns with heavy boxing gloves (Oh and I don't have any new unlocks except for the razorback).

:~(~~~~~

last edited by reso at 10:51:18 26/May/09
casa
Posted 11:13am 26/5/09
just use the weapon unlocker and stop your tears
Phooks
Posted 11:27am 26/5/09
ive gotten the pyro hat. it's a little twirly thing. kinda goofy.
Crakaveli
Posted 11:31am 26/5/09
just use the weapon unlocker and stop your tears
Nice try, but that doesn't work anymore.
ctd
Posted 02:40pm 26/5/09
Whats the point in having multiple flare guns or whatever?
thermite
Posted 02:52pm 26/5/09
RIP TF2
Alt_F4
Posted 03:11pm 26/5/09


Somehow i have 4 Hunstman...
Phooks
Posted 03:14pm 26/5/09




The funny thing is, you guys are only complaining about the fact that you aren't getting unlocks, or you're getting too many.

The unlockables you use are like 1/10th of TF2. It's a $20 game, stop whinging , and play.
greazy
Posted 03:15pm 26/5/09
ctd for trading.

which hasnt been implemented yet. The demo one is awesome, its this little afro.

p.s i still think (agree) that pyro = scouts mum

last edited by greazy at 15:15:56 26/May/09
The GuVna
Posted 08:20pm 26/5/09
But I really want all the hats! :)
$ack
Posted 11:23pm 26/5/09
I just want the feign death :(
reso
Posted 11:55pm 26/5/09
I GOT THE BOW, IT'S S***.
shad
Posted 12:02am 27/5/09
Just got my 3rd Kritzkreig
qmass
Posted 05:09am 27/5/09
Along with the hat unlocks, there will be other items of clothing coming in the near future.

This is a leak of the sniper outfit:

Hashy
Posted 08:00am 27/5/09
f*****g lol @ the sscreenshots of a surf map itt

Why yes i play surf maps~
ravn0s
Posted 08:20am 27/5/09
qmass that looks like a crappy reskin

i was hoping valve had posted today saying how bad they f***ed up and this is what they are doing to fix it.
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