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Post by darkjedi @ 09:23am 18/03/09 | 137 Comments
Rejoice iPhone users! You're finally going to be getting features that everyone else keeps giving you crap for not having!

- MMS!
- Copy/paste!
- Tethering!
- Other stuff

Or maybe the topic should have been "Apple finally adds features they should've had from day 1"? Either way, iPhone users get the update for free whilst iPod Touch users get shafted again and have to fork out US$10 for it. Hit the Gizmodo link for the rest of the changes. promoted/edited forum item



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dranged
Posted 09:25am 18/3/09
still no a2dp profile! grrr...
sparrow
Posted 09:26am 18/3/09
I would totally pay $10 for copy/paste on my touch! Of course I'd rather not have to...
boba
Posted 09:28am 18/3/09
still no a2dp profile! grrr...
wat?
Stereo Bluetooth A2DP audio. You will be able to pair your iPhone 3.0 with a stereo Bluetooth A2DP device, like headphones or speakers.
BillyHardball
Posted 09:30am 18/3/09
Holy s***, iPhone hating wankers are going to have to find new reasons for not getting the iPhone. Seriously, best phone ever.
BillyHardball
Posted 09:31am 18/3/09
Any word on the official release date?
simul
Posted 09:33am 18/3/09
Best features according to macrumors


- In-App Purchasing: Allows developers to sell additional content from within applications. Highlighted uses include magazine subscriptions, eBooks, additional levels and items for games.
- Peer-to-Peer Connectivity: Find other devices running the app via Bonjour over Wi-Fi of Bluetooth. Good for gaming, but also other applications for sharing data.
- Third-Party Accessory Apps: Allowing accessory manufacturers to create applications to interface with their hardware accessories.
- Push Notification: Rather than using background processes that hamper battery life, utilize third-party server to push badge, text, and audio alerts from applications.
- Turn by Turn: Apple will allow developers to use CoreLocation for turn-by-turn GPS directions.
- Cut, Copy and Paste: Available across all apps. Shake to undo or redo.
- Landscape keyboard: Available in all key applications, including Mail.
- MMS: Picture messaging now available.
- Voice Memos: Record notes, lectures, interviews, etc.
- Spotlight Search: Available across all applications. Systemwide search available from main home screen by flicking to the left.
- A2DP Bluetooth: Support for stereo bluetooth headsets.


Its clearly a reaction based update to people whining about different things it can't do. The irony is the update is going to make more people complain about the touch keyboard, purely cause there won't be anything else to whine about.
BillyHardball
Posted 09:33am 18/3/09
And btw, MMS is still the biggest waste of time and money ever.
BillyHardball
Posted 09:35am 18/3/09
- In-App Purchasing: Allows developers to sell additional content from within applications. Highlighted uses include magazine subscriptions, eBooks, additional levels and items for games.

Gay. That means that updates that were previously free will now be charged.
- Third-Party Accessory Apps: Allowing accessory manufacturers to create applications to interface with their hardware accessories.

I assume this means that now we can finally have a 2 click Wi-Fi switch?
scuzzy
Posted 09:36am 18/3/09
Holy s***, iPhone hating wankers are going to have to find new reasons for not getting the iPhone. Seriously, best phone ever.
Can it multitask apps yet?
simul
Posted 09:36am 18/3/09
Any word on the official release date?


June/July is iPhone season as is WWDC so I highly highly doubt it will be until wwdc or just after.
BillyHardball
Posted 09:37am 18/3/09
Push notification finally coming. Hopefully this time it will be true. Push notification means that your iPhone OS 3.0 applications will finally be able to receive messages from the intarwebs automagically, so you can have an Instant Message application and have your iPhone vibrate or make a sound when a new message comes in, even if the application is not running.

Is that what you mean?
simul
Posted 09:39am 18/3/09
Can it multitask yet?


It always could and did for a lot of stuff...3rd party apps just couldn't, which is where the new push notification system comes in.
3dee
Posted 09:43am 18/3/09
There's more stuff in the SDK that us developers are excited about too. Oh and I can get 3.0 beta RIGHT NOW muahahah but I only have one iPhone :( And they recommend not deving 2.x apps on 3.0 firmware.

Aww.
Raven
Posted 09:45am 18/3/09
What's this 'tethering 'I keep hearing about?
simul
Posted 09:46am 18/3/09
What's this 'tethering 'I keep hearing about?


Laptop >> iPhone (3g) >> interwebs

No need to buy a 3g modem for laptop thats all
3dee
Posted 09:46am 18/3/09
Phone = Modem on PC
simul
Posted 09:51am 18/3/09
There's more stuff in the SDK that us developers are excited about too. Oh and I can get 3.0 beta RIGHT NOW muahahah but I only have one iPhone :( And they recommend not deving 2.x apps on 3.0 firmware.


Wow, you could log into the iphone dev.apple site??? Im impressed, it takes us a few hours of refreshing, clearing cache and switching browsers to trick it into letting us in (we have 3 paid accounts too).

Oh well, I'm doing iPhone dev teaching this semester so no 3.0 upgrade for me anyway :(
Pinky
Posted 09:58am 18/3/09
Holy s***, iPhone hating wankers are going to have to find new reasons for not getting the iPhone. Seriously, best phone ever.

Is it made by Apple still?

I think I'll skip straight to an Android-based phone in a year or so. Apple are too restrictive with their licensing.
scuzzy
Posted 10:10am 18/3/09
It always could and did for a lot of stuff...3rd party apps just couldn't, which is where the new push notification system comes in.
you got me just before the ninja edit, i added "apps" to my message because obviously alot of the system stuff can behind the scenes.

edit: also are they going to put a flash on the camera yet yet?

last edited by scuzzy at 10:10:07 18/Mar/09
3dee
Posted 10:09am 18/3/09
Best three things for me (in the context of my main GigCal app):


  • Core Data = no more crappy sqlite3 annoyingness (not that its bad, its just annoying to code with)

  • MapKit = show venue location in my app and not have to quit it

  • MessageUI = send entry detail emails without quitting the app



This is annoying cause I'm currently working on 2.0 GigCal but wanna use these features :'(

last edited by 3dee at 10:09:33 18/Mar/09
TiT
Posted 10:13am 18/3/09
just waiting for a 32gb iphone and im sold!
scuzzy
Posted 10:18am 18/3/09
- Next up, Electronic Arts.
- Travis Boatman from EA showing off The Sims.
- Talking about in-app purchases. Will be able to buy items in the game for $0.99.
virtual turtle neck sweater sales increase 20 percent.
mongie
Posted 10:21am 18/3/09
When I bought my iphone last weekend, I found the G1 was a piece of s***.

Really clunky, and no where near as polished as the iPHONE OS.
trog
Posted 10:28am 18/3/09
Gay. That means that updates that were previously free will now be charged.
Nah it's really good for things like ebooks - now the big barrier for me to get ebooks legitimately on the phone is gone (the stores I've looked at all use annoying (when compared to appstore) payment gateways. I am MUCH more likely to buy books if I can do it via itunes/appstore now. I think that is awesome.
Holy s***, iPhone hating wankers are going to have to find new reasons for not getting the iPhone. Seriously, best phone ever.
I'm still going to hate it because I still can't do whatever I want with it - just because Apple have thrown open the door on a couple of no-brainer inclusions just makes it more shiny, not what it should be (a personal computer in my pocket).
It always could and did for a lot of stuff...3rd party apps just couldn't, which is where the new push notification system comes in.
I don't see the push notification thing as real multitasking, at least if it works like it sounds like? It's a step up for sure - but the f*****g thing is running Mac OS X, right? Like, why not let people what want to use it like a real OS do so?

edit: overall though good improvements... though f*** Apple for making me buy them on my iPod Touch (yeh, I don't give a s*** about Sarbanes-Oxley). I am more likely to leave it for now, sell my Touch to a newb and buy a new third gen one when they come out with the latest firmware (I want the speaker as well)
BillyHardball
Posted 10:25am 18/3/09
Android is a half-arsed device that somehow makes iPhone haters happier with not buying an iPhone.

I wouldn't be surprised if a new iPhone handset is released at the same time as the new OS, maybe unfortuantely for mongie who just got one. I'd suggest to anyone else thinking about getting an iPhone to wait until June/July.
Jim
Posted 10:31am 18/3/09
I have an iphone but I guess you could call me an iphone hating wanker cos all of these additions were most of my pet peaves about the device. Even though I don't send mms's to people I still like to be able to easily look at them when they're sent to me without having to log into some clunky http interface for which the password is generated randomly each time and I can't copy and paste the damn thing in.

If the tethering works properly I'll be able to stop taking my nokia around so I can swap the sim card over to it when I need mobile internets for my lappy too
BillyHardball
Posted 10:32am 18/3/09
Even though I don't send mms's to people I still like to be able to easily look at them when they're sent to me without having to log into some clunky http interface for which the password is generated randomly each time and I can't copy and paste the damn thing in.

Delete people from your lives if they send you MMS?
Jim
Posted 10:36am 18/3/09
deleting your mum and all the 3 megapixel pics of her ass from my life is a big ask billy, lols
trog
Posted 10:37am 18/3/09
Android is a half-arsed device that somehow makes iPhone haters happier with not buying an iPhone.
Android gets props from people that give a s*** about trivial things like, your rights to use your device THAT YOU OWN to do whatever you want - it is the ying to iPhones yang in this respect
sparrow
Posted 10:37am 18/3/09
Even though I don't send mms's to people I still like to be able to easily look at them when they're sent to me without having to log into some clunky http interface for which the password is generated randomly each time and I can't copy and paste the damn thing in.
Delete people from your lives if they send you MMS?

I would love to do that, but I don't think my family would be happy with me if I deleted my sister.
3dee
Posted 10:38am 18/3/09
At least the thing is becoming more like a phone. An actual "Messages" app with SMS, MMS and Voice Notes (and whatever else).

Not to mention landscape for everything (about f*****g time!).
Jim
Posted 10:39am 18/3/09
I would love to do that, but I don't think my family would be happy with me if I deleted my sister.
is she hot?
BillyHardball
Posted 10:41am 18/3/09
Android gets props from people that give a s*** about trivial things like, your rights to use your device THAT YOU OWN to do whatever you want - it is the ying to iPhones yang in this respect

The problem I see is this: you still have to buy some apps on an Adroid phone, the same as you have to buy apps on a jailbroken iPhone. If I'm paying for apps, I'd like to know that at least someone has tested the apps first and made sure they aren't going to explode my phone...
Jim
Posted 10:44am 18/3/09
I've never found this to be an issue with any software I've downloaded and installed on any computer-ish device I've owned - if there's not a community or at least a decent verifiable website/company around a particular piece of software then I'll just pass it over. I don't see any reason it'd be different for android
BillyHardball
Posted 10:45am 18/3/09
Fair enough, but it's still a crappy device.
trog
Posted 10:50am 18/3/09
The problem I see is this: you still have to buy some apps on an Adroid phone, the same as you have to buy apps on a jailbroken iPhone. If I'm paying for apps, I'd like to know that at least someone has tested the apps first and made sure they aren't going to explode my phone...
It runs Linux and Java, it'd be pretty hard for it to crap out your phone. I haven't read this as being even a minor concern in even the negative G1 reviews/comments I've read.

And from what I've read of the Apple process, they're not filtering out based on application quality or a thorough review of the source code or anything - they're just making sure its "appropriate" (based on their whims) for the AppStore.
BillyHardball
Posted 10:51am 18/3/09
Fair enough, but it's still a crappy device.
sparrow
Posted 10:53am 18/3/09
I would love to do that, but I don't think my family would be happy with me if I deleted my sister.
is she hot?

Not as hot as your mum
Dan
Posted 10:53am 18/3/09
Android isn't a device. It's an operating system that can be used by any number of different phone manufacturers. Unlike the iPhone's OS.
BillyHardball
Posted 10:59am 18/3/09
Really? How many phones is it available on?

On a more constructive note, check out the iPhone App released by the ABC. It's a news/podcast/vodcast app and so far it's very neat.
trog
Posted 10:59am 18/3/09
Fair enough, but it's still a crappy device.
heh you haven't even used one or seen one IRL, you're so blinded by Apple fanboyism I can't believe we share genetic material?!@#
3dee
Posted 11:00am 18/3/09
iPhone is restricted so that Apple can maintain a general level of quality within the iPhone, disregarding any evil plans it has. Remember, Apple produces quality products not overly hackable dodgy s***.
BillyHardball
Posted 11:02am 18/3/09
heh you haven't even used one or seen one IRL, you're so blinded by Apple fanboyism I can't believe we share genetic material?!@#

I'll eat my hat if you haven't got an iPhone by the end of the year.
trog
Posted 11:08am 18/3/09
iPhone is restricted so that Apple can maintain a general level of quality within the iPhone, disregarding any evil plans it has. Remember, Apple produces quality products not overly hackable dodgy s***.
That's the same BULLS*** excuse that is getting shoved down our throat for dedicated game servers for titles like Battlefield.

Remember when Firefox was s*** and IE was actually the best browser? Noone used Firefox (excluding fanboys). Then Firefox was good, and heaps of people started using it. The same is true of game servers - noone plays on bad game servers. They leave and go to good ones.

My point is, it doesn't MATTER if people put useless, s***, trivial stuff on the AppStore (seriously, you're going to tell me "iFart" is maintaining a "general level of quality", and not letting someone put a new email application isn't?). It makes NO difference to anyone - bad/useless applications won't get used or will get bad reviews or will get ignored. Good applications will get props and recommendations and positive reviews and everyone will use them.

This is about one thing - control. Making sure what you get is what Apple wants you to get.
I'll eat my hat if you haven't got an iPhone by the end of the year.
shakes magic 8 ball - outlook not good
BillyHardball
Posted 11:14am 18/3/09
^You don't think Apple has responded pretty well to public demand? Sure the iPhone shoulda had some of these features since day 1, but at least Apple seem to eventually be doing what people want.
BatS***
Posted 11:15am 18/3/09
I'm toxx clausing that s***.
rubba-chikin
Posted 11:15am 18/3/09
How does the tethering work?

I'm a nube when it comes to this as I do not have a notebook.

Does it use Bluetooth to connect to the PC?

All I know about the iphones pootooth is that it isn't compatible with 99% of the other phones out there.
3dee
Posted 11:19am 18/3/09
Well they do control things, but part of that reason is to maintain a good user experience. Third party apps is an entirely different thing.

The iPhone by itself is a quality bit of software and hardware mixed together. Its not revolutionary in terms of features (of which it is lacking various ones), its how easy to use, efficient and well designed the software is that makes it stand out. Like... they actually give a damn about user experience, not putting 123,000 unused features in it.

At least now it has a lot of those features that have been clearly lacking.

last edited by 3dee at 11:19:41 18/Mar/09
trog
Posted 11:16am 18/3/09
^You don't think Apple has responded pretty well to public demand? Sure the iPhone shoulda had some of these features since day 1, but at least Apple seem to eventually be doing what people want.
that's the exact opposite of what I said in my first post, "overall though good improvements". But, if they had an open system, noone would have been waiting for any of these things - someone else would have just made them work!
BillyHardball
Posted 11:20am 18/3/09
Oh I didn't see your first post. I think the overriding factor is that for most people the iPhone has always been a great device. I'm not going to hate on a device because of the manufacturer, or for the device not doing things that I don't care about. If Apple can produce phones that I really like, then more power to them.
BatS***
Posted 11:20am 18/3/09
^You don't think Apple has responded pretty well to public demand? Sure the iPhone shoulda had some of these features since day 1, but at least Apple seem to eventually be doing what people want.
You know this sounds exactly like EA and their bulls*** release-a-game-before-its-done-then-complete-it-later-on.

Yes that's how evil Apple is, it's comparable to EA.
3dee
Posted 11:23am 18/3/09
that's the exact opposite of what I said in my first post, "overall though good improvements". But, if they had an open system, noone would have been waiting for any of these things - someone else would have just made them work!

Yes they likely would have. But they wouldn't have done it consistently with the Apple's iPhone software. Third party developers often don't give much care to the user experience, and just want to get features features features into the device, which leaves much to be desired in the user experience.

I love features, but if using them is either a pain in the ass or just ugly then I'd much rather Apple do it instead.
Opec
Posted 11:40am 18/3/09
Until if can fully synced with Exchange server (like sync my all my email folders, contacts and calendar), iPhone is just a toy for me. Great hardware and UI but useless as a business tool for me. But that's only because we're a Microsoft shop, I'm sure if we're using non MS stuff iPhone could be useful.
Dan
Posted 11:43am 18/3/09
Really? How many phones is it available on?
Only the dream so far (a few other phones have been haxxed to install it but I wouldn't count them)

http://www.android-portal.com/2008/11/05/list-of-android-phones-upcoming-and-current/
Dan
Posted 11:51am 18/3/09
Well they do control things, but part of that reason is to maintain a good user experience. Third party apps is an entirely different thing.
Nah, quality control is just the copout excuse they use.

They control because they stand to make more money when users are locked to their product. Apple are incredibly good at this.

-They make a battery non-removeable so when it fails you have to pay them to repair it or just buy a whole new device.

-They use a propriety data connector so third party manufacturers have to pay license fees to make accessories that work with them and they can sell their own cables and accessories at inflated prices.

That's just a couple of hardware examples, software is even more devious.
BillyHardball
Posted 11:54am 18/3/09
But it's still a superior product!
Spook
Posted 11:58am 18/3/09
billys rampant fanboyism knows no bounds!
Dan
Posted 12:05pm 18/3/09
But it's still a superior product!
I agree, in it's current form it really is at the moment.

Thing is, because they're less restricted, Android phones have more future potential and if the become popular enough community development will bring the features that will make them the better investment long term.

When you're talking about dropping down north of $700 on a phone, that's something worth considering. Personally, I think that's too much to be spending on either at the moment so I don't own one.
elachlan
Posted 12:05pm 18/3/09
Friggen hell i hate the iphone. They fixed a few things but i still can't do what 3g was made for originally, VIDEO CALLS!

I firmly believe in open standards and non proprietary crap. I'm with Dan on this.

We have a lot of apple fan boys here aye :)

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary
`ViPER`
Posted 12:09pm 18/3/09
When you're talking about dropping down north of $700 on a phone


Realy, who pays for phones these days, you obvioulsy are going to be making calls on the phone sy why not get the phone essentially free.
Dan
Posted 12:12pm 18/3/09
You're kidding yourself if you don't think that you're still paying that in the end.
BillyHardball
Posted 12:14pm 18/3/09
It's pretty easy to work out that it is much cheaper to get a phone on a contract than buy it outright...
tequila
Posted 12:21pm 18/3/09


I heard in windowsiPhone OS 3.1 they're going to add the ability to take calls and 3.11 they'll add networking
Dan
Posted 12:22pm 18/3/09
In most cases yeah, but again this is because of artificial restrictions - provider locks and region garbage. Then there's fact that you can only buy a lot of these devices from the networks themselves. And you're forced to commit to a provider for 2 years.
mongie
Posted 12:26pm 18/3/09
Can I just say... Android isn't as "free and easy" as you all seem to think it is. As far as I know, you can't tether it either.

The main issue for Android is handsets. I don't understand why HTC don't just get one of their premium handsets - that looks good - and put Android on that? Seriously, after playing with a "real" Dream and a "real" iPhone, the choice is fairly easy. The matte black dream is boxy, heavy and chunky. The screen hinge/mechanism is extremely clunky. I likend it to buying the same phone I already had, just with a bigger screen and a google logo. (It ran WM5).

Its easy to say "Wait a year and Android will be awesome" - well, I needed a phone when I needed it. So I bought the best on offer at the time - which was the iPhone.

You can also say that "Android is an OS, not a phone" - Well, the OS will be judged on its end user experience, not good intentions. I'm sure we'll see awesome Android phones in the future, but I just can't see there being anything like the iPhone (Restrictions and all) in the next year or so.
PS: Billy - I have the ABC app, and its pretty cool.

The coolest thing about the phone I've found so far is the WiFi (which I realise you can get on a lot of phones) but being in Adelaide at the moment, I keep connecting up to Internode hotspots all over the city which are uber fast (and free). Yay internode.
rubba-chikin
Posted 12:35pm 18/3/09
Dammit stop b**** fighting about s*** and someone explain how tethering works.

As in the connection from the phone to the PC.
mongie
Posted 12:37pm 18/3/09
Mark, Tethering is connecting your phone to your pc so that you can use the GPRS/3G data on your laptop.

Whether it be by bluetooth or usb.
trog
Posted 01:26pm 18/3/09
Can I just say... Android isn't as "free and easy" as you all seem to think it is. As far as I know, you can't tether it either.
Yeh you can, as even a half-assed google would show you, though the last time I checked it was a bit fiddly.. but you could do it without too much pain.
The main issue for Android is handsets. I don't understand why HTC don't just get one of their premium handsets - that looks good - and put Android on that?
Pretty much everything I've read has agreed the G1 is a typical Google "Beta" product - just out there to get initial support, work out kinks, etc. I don't think they've thrown their full marketing weight into it (will let you know when I go stateside next week), and CERTAINLY nowhere near as much as Apple.

Again, I haven't seen a G1, but everything I've read from people that actually use them for serious mobile computing s*** reckons they're pretty good.

Anyway, this isn't about how awesome the G1 is or isn't, it's about why people shouldn't be blinded by iPhone fanboyism when there's still a bunch of stuff that sucks about it. I'm not saying it's not awesome or not the best 'device' atm (must be pretty close to it), but I don't feel like jumping on the bandwagon because I feel like if I'm dropping $700-$1000 on a device I should be able to do whatever I feel like, without being made to feel like a criminal.
Dan
Posted 01:33pm 18/3/09
http://i.gizmodo.com/5171796/iphone-30-os-guide-everything-you-need-to-know

Here's a prime example of the s*** I hate about it.
Peer-to-peer Wi-Fi Bluetooth connectivity. A new API will allow for two iPhones to connect directlypeer-to-peervia Bluetooth Wi-Fi, without needing any Wi-Fi network.

They will be able to discover each other using Bluetooth, and then start a Wi-Fi connection transparently.

This opens a lot of possibilities. I doubt they will allow you to pass music, but you would probably be able to pass any other information, as well as directly communicating between applications in the two devices. One example: A pets game that allows two dogs to play with each other.
So you've got this great new feature (that third party devs _should_ have been able to already bring us in the first place) that is still going to be artificially restricted in it's functionality.

Obviously it's in Apple's best interests to stop users from being able to easily share music with each other (the major labels would despise it) but it's in direct conflict with what users want to be able to do.

I'm making a point of this one in particular, because is something that wouldn't happen on the Android platform - there's no conflicting interest with record labels and itunes music sales.
rubba-chikin
Posted 01:40pm 18/3/09
I understand WHAT it is I just wanted to know how you can connect it to the PC as bluetooth is a huge piece of s*** phone to phone with the iphone.

Is compatibility much better for dongles etc?

So if your notebook had no BT you could use the crapple to USB cable to link up to phone to get interwebs on a notebook? If so thats pretty sweet.

EDIT: Dans post wasn't there when I started... that pretty much explains why its s*** phone to phone. I haven't tried anything else connecting with BT to the iphone.

I guess they all work just fine.

last edited by rubba-chikin at 13:40:30 18/Mar/09
mongie
Posted 01:44pm 18/3/09
Yeh you can, as even a half-assed google would show you, though the last time I checked it was a bit fiddly.. but you could do it without too much pain.
There is a difference between the software supporting it, and someone writing an app that allows it.
rubba-chikin
Posted 01:46pm 18/3/09
You JB'ed your phone yet mongie?
BillyHardball
Posted 01:54pm 18/3/09
So you've got this great new feature (that third party devs _should_ have been able to already bring us in the first place) that is still going to be artificially restricted in it's functionality.

Pretty sure free 3rd party apps have already allowed this function (but only via wi-fi)?
3dee
Posted 01:56pm 18/3/09
Obviously it's in Apple's best interests to stop users from being able to easily share music with each other (the major labels would despise it) but it's in direct conflict with what users want to be able to do.

Legally, Apple can't allow it due to the iTunes Store. So if you know why they can't allow, then why are you having such a cry about it?

Its pretty clear you wouldn't have been able to share music since it would cause major problems with the labels that Apple is associated with.

Personally, I think this API is fantastic for developers. It provides an API specifically tailored to do exactly that, not some difficult low-level API which requires hardware detection and low-level data transfer knowledge.
mongie
Posted 02:01pm 18/3/09
No mark, I wasn't planning on it. For what I need, I don't really see the benefit.
Dan
Posted 02:08pm 18/3/09
Legally, Apple can't allow it due to the iTunes Store. So if you know why they can't allow, then why are you having such a cry about it?
Err, because that's the exact issue?

It's a conflict of interest between one facet of the company and what their customers want to use the hardware for.

It's the crux of the argument for open standards.
3dee
Posted 02:15pm 18/3/09
It's a conflict of interest between one facet of the company and what their customers want to use the hardware for.

It's a conflict legally between Apple and its music partners regardless of whether Apple would allow developers to do it or not.

But also, it allows piracy, which Apple would be held responsible for. There's some very good reasons why Apple would not allow music sharing.

I never expected music sharing would be allowed so consequently I'm not having a cry over it.
rubba-chikin
Posted 02:41pm 18/3/09
No mark, I wasn't planning on it. For what I need, I don't really see the benefit.


Theres a few little tweaks that improve stuff.

I can't remember them all off the top of my head but one was phone number format. Might be fixed now though with a later version.
eg. Instead of usual 1234 5678 it looked like 123 456 78 like a US number.

Added some notifier widget to add icons on my lock screen so I can see when I have unread SMS/emails/other s***.
Dan
Posted 02:53pm 18/3/09
It's a conflict legally between Apple and its music partners regardless of whether Apple would allow developers to do it or not.

But also, it allows piracy, which Apple would be held responsible for. There's some very good reasons why Apple would not allow music sharing.
You don't seem to get it. I'm not denying that, never did. Well not your assumption that apple would be held responsible for piracy, that's garbage, but the rest I've already acknowledged.

My point is, that this issue is a product of an elementary flaw in the iphone that is never going to be fixed. And for comparison's sake, that this is something that isn't an issue for the Android platform, because it doesn't suffer the same conflicts of interest.

natslovR
Posted 03:02pm 18/3/09
I'm still happy with my iphone, and am looking forward to using 3.0. There's some nice improvements, but i'm happy with it as it is, it's significantly better than anything else i've used.

I'm glad I haven't suffered through WM6 any longer. On top of that every time windows mobile was upgraded (except once) I had to buy a new phone to use it to get the improved functionality. Apple gives this to me for free. (the only exception was on my JasJam, where some people used pirated version of windows 6 on the wm5 designed phone).

There's a funny post on /. covering the history of apple's ipod line and the naysayers




last edited by natslovR at 15:02:42 18/Mar/09
kos
Posted 03:17pm 18/3/09
There's no point arguing with Billy about the iPhone, even he admits that he's a total tech noob, which, perhaps not so coincidentally, is why an Apple device is best for him. Fork over wheelbarrow-loads of money to Apple, and it just works!

Apple hating aside, these new features certainly make the iPhone a more desirable proposition and it will now be a genuine contender for me when my phone plan runs out in June. Let's see what everyone else can come up with in the mean time!
Midda
Posted 03:21pm 18/3/09
Let's see what everyone else can come up with in the mean time!

I just hope someone releases a phone that can run apps in the background!
TiT
Posted 03:27pm 18/3/09
Tethering is so you can use your phone as modem on your computer to access interwebworld
natslovR
Posted 03:39pm 18/3/09
Let's see what everyone else can come up with in the mean time!


I just hope someone releases a phone that can run apps in the background!


I think apple is well on the way to proving that's not as critically important as you think it is. Can all applications do what they need to, certainly not. But do I need 43 different Notes open at one time? Do i need a movie running in the background while I play a game? A part from affecting the performance of the phone, what benefit does that have for any user?

It's a lot like criticizing apple for making it a closed platform. If it's really really really such a bad idea, something better will come a long and everyone will move to it. Right now, we are still waiting for that. It's not like Apple has abused a monopoly position in the smartphone market to lock out hardware and application vendors is it?
BillyHardball
Posted 03:39pm 18/3/09
Kos is 100% correct - I don't have high standards when it comes to the technical ability of devices, all I care about is whether or not it will do what I want it to with the minimum hassle. Just to clarify, the iPhone is the only piece of Apple equipment that I own (and iTunes), but I'll happily purchase more and more Apple products in the future and be labeled fanboy because Apple products seem to perfectly cater to my needs.
rubba-chikin
Posted 03:46pm 18/3/09
There is a cydia app that allows you to do such a thing with a jailbroken phone.

Problem is running s*** in the background eats resources and you can do it if you don't mind sacrificing speed and snappiness. Something I'm not willing to do.

The problem is not so much with the software, its with the hardware. With processing power comes heat and then size to deal with the heat.


What exactly are you wanting to run in the background all the time anyway? The only thing I wanted to run was an IM client and with the new push updates you won't have to.
Dan
Posted 04:21pm 18/3/09
It's a lot like criticizing apple for making it a closed platform. If it's really really really such a bad idea, something better will come a long and everyone will move to it. Right now, we are still waiting for that. It's not like Apple has abused a monopoly position in the smartphone market to lock out hardware and application vendors is it?
Nail on the head.

I think it's still important for critics to be vocal about the flaws though, so competitors can listen to what we want, identify what Apple can't or just plain isn't providing and offer us something that does.

Most hopes are pinned on Android at present because it has the most potential to do just that. But at the moment, that's all it really is - potential.
trog
Posted 04:30pm 18/3/09
It's not like Apple has abused a monopoly position in the smartphone market to lock out hardware and application vendors is it?
I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not - isn't that exactly what they're doing? They can refuse any application vendor on a whim, and there's many examples of this doing exactly that
Dan
Posted 04:34pm 18/3/09
I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not - isn't that exactly what they're doing? They can refuse any application vendor on a whim, and there's many examples of this doing exactly that
T took that to mean that the iphone didn't succeed because of an inherited monopoly position - people bought it because it was a solid device, which is true.
trog
Posted 04:36pm 18/3/09
oh, right, yeh, fair enough
infi
Posted 04:40pm 18/3/09
n97 is going to dominate iphone. not long to wait now.
3dee
Posted 04:45pm 18/3/09
n97 is going to dominate iphone. not long to wait now.

Ha! Every phone has planned to kill the iPhone and none has succeeded.
Midda
Posted 05:03pm 18/3/09
Ha! Every phone has planned to kill the iPhone and none has succeeded.

Not that I agree about the N97 being the end of the iPhone, but this is the most retarded argument for the iPhone staying on top. Nothing ever lasts. One day, Apple will no longer have the must-have phone. Nobody expected Sony to drop to a distant 3rd in the console race, but look what happened with the PS3.
Dan
Posted 05:15pm 18/3/09
Reckon. Nobody would have expected Sony's Walkman brand would be as good as buried a distant memory while an Apple device dominates the market either.

But does anyone ever say the ipod killed the walkman?

I don't think we'll ever see an "iphone killer". Eventually other devices will just come along that people will start to use and hype over more.
Opec
Posted 05:25pm 18/3/09
As much as I am not an Apple fanboi, I think iPhone is a great product, built quality is one of the best. They certainly brought to the market a class changing device which make all the other phone makers lift their games, you really have to give Apply credit for that.

It's not a device for me unfortunately, as much as I really like it to be. I just don't want to have to spend a heap of time f*****g around with it to get it to work with Exchange seamlessly and to be able to do "windows" things I do for work. I've already spent enough time trying to get my Samsung Omnia to work with Exchange (self-sign cert activesync hell... *sigh*) but now that I got it all working, it's great, not perfect (what device is) but exactly how I wanted.

Personally, I couldn't give a crap about MMS, 20billion mega pixel cameras, video recording, or to some extend GPS, I mean I hardly ever use any of this crap on my phone so I wouldn't miss it. But things like:

1) Copy and paste (fixed now);
2) Software I need to do Windows things;
3) Remote wipe/remote management; and
4) 100% compatibility with Exchange (i.e. seaching GAL from the phone without having to copy it to your phone memory

These are critical issues for me. Apple might win me over if they fix the issues above in the future - I'm sure they will eventually, cause corporate market is pretty big.

/my $0.99.
3dee
Posted 06:17pm 18/3/09
but this is the most retarded argument for the iPhone staying on top. Nothing ever lasts.

I didn't say it would. I just said that in two years all these killer iPhone clones have done nothing to.. kill the iPhone...

last edited by 3dee at 18:17:38 18/Mar/09
mongie
Posted 06:05pm 18/3/09
Slightly off topic, but considering how basic the Ausgamers iphone ap is, are there any plans for adding more features (eg. iPhone friendly forum?)
Reverend
Posted 06:18pm 18/3/09
My N95 has been in the shop to be fixed 4 times i will never buy Nokia ever again !!!!, i will be getting an iPhone though (after june?july ) thanks to the billMeister.
Nathan
Posted 06:54pm 18/3/09
Apple are useless at dealing with the corporate market. I dont expect them to ever support Exchange properly (not that I personally care, windows garbage can stay at work)
Azaria
Posted 07:04pm 18/3/09
I really want to buy an iphone considering how often I use my ipod (at home in a stereo with a dock, in the car with a headunit with an ipod cable and @ work for podcasts) but my limited experience with other users with them has seen me steer clear of them. 5 friends/work colleagues have them and I have yet to see any of them have problem free experiences. Not a good test sample size sure, but enough to see me hold off on buying one and sticking with my E71.

They seem more like a media device with phone abilities tacked on to them. So exactly like Nathan said, useless for a corporate environment. Which in fairness isn't something they are targeting.
3dee
Posted 07:11pm 18/3/09
I haven't had any problems with mine.
kos
Posted 07:22pm 18/3/09
n97 is going to dominate iphone. not long to wait now.

I don't really see how it's going to dominate the iPhone, at best it looks to equal it wrt features, unless there's something I'm missing?
Having only ever owned Nokia phones I really hope that the N97 is indeed awesome, but while they stick with Symbian I really can't see that happening. Symbian really just seems to kill software developer's spirits...
Midda
Posted 07:37pm 18/3/09
My N95 has been in the shop to be fixed 4 times i will never buy Nokia ever again !!!!, i will be getting an iPhone though (after june?july ) thanks to the billMeister.

What are you doing, swimming with it? My N95 is the most reliable phone I've ever used.
Reverend
Posted 08:24pm 18/3/09
Nah Midda,im very careful with my phone my first N95 had to be replaced due to memory problems ( 2 months after i got it ) and well the newest one its about 16 months old and it kept locking up and doing all sorts of weird s*** , it took them 2 months to fix the pile of s*** ( its working ok now but for how long i have no idea) hence i will never buy Nokia ever agin.
infi
Posted 08:46pm 18/3/09
What are you doing, swimming with it? My N95 is the most reliable phone I've ever used.


The face covers for n95 are ratty but my n96 is unscratchable.
BillyHardball
Posted 09:05pm 18/3/09
but my limited experience with other users with them has seen me steer clear of them. 5 friends/work colleagues have them and I have yet to see any of them have problem free experiences. Not a good test sample size sure, but enough to see me hold off on buying one and sticking with my E71.

Would you also want to use yours for business? If so, probably best to steer clear. Also, do your friends have them jailbroken? JB'ing causes heaps of issues and instability (if you dont know what you're doing).

HOWEVER--->
I really want to buy an iphone considering how often I use my ipod (at home in a stereo with a dock, in the car with a headunit with an ipod cable and @ work for podcasts)

Be really careful, a lot of that old stuff may not be compatible with the iPhones...
simul
Posted 10:09pm 18/3/09
Be really careful, a lot of that old stuff may not be compatible with the iPhones...


I've got an old car radio one, it works fine, its just the phone pops up a message about how it might not work correctly *shrug*.

For those talking about android, I'm curious if anyone on qgl is actively developing at the moment? Im doing some mentoring with android at the moment, and i know a few people working fulltime on it, its definitely an interesting platform.

Just curious if people have had experience with it or are just doing the "apple are evil and google are gods" political crap cause my argument would be that google are *heavily* invested in the iphone, to a comparable level that they are involved in with android.

2c
3dee
Posted 07:41am 19/3/09
Just installed 3.0 beta (and apparently can't restore to 2.x versions :S oh well). I watched the copy paste demo and it looks really good.

sparrow
Posted 09:14am 19/3/09
iPhone seems cool in theory to me, until I waste all my battery listening to tunes and browsing internets, and then I have no phone to use :(
3dee
Posted 09:27am 19/3/09
iPhone seems cool in theory to me, until I waste all my battery listening to tunes and browsing internets, and then I have no phone to use :(

So basically you're saying that the iPhone is bad cause you can waste your battery on music? What about every other phone with music? What about the fact that listening to music on any device drains your battery.

Also, put 3.0 on. I must say Cut, Copy and Paste is done really well. Also, the Spotlight on home screen is great. MMS doesn't work on it though (didn't expect it too). But I can't even create an MMS message..

And also, Search toolbars are everywhere in the standard apps. Landscape in the standard apps is cool too.

While the OS changes don't stand out (except maybe the Spotlight screen and copy paste), the major changes will come with the apps as there's so much more potential for really good applications.

last edited by 3dee at 09:27:24 19/Mar/09
BillyHardball
Posted 09:25am 19/3/09
iPhone seems cool in theory to me, until I waste all my battery listening to tunes and browsing internets, and then I have no phone to use :(

Probably 90% of my battery gets used from browsing the net, listening to music and watching movies, 5% max is made for phone functionality, and the other 5% gets used on random standby things and games. I usually have to charge it at least every second day, which isn't a problem because I just plug it into whatever computer I'm using. The only thing I'm concerned about is the limited number of charge cycles cause I use it so much, but that's a fault of the battery.
sparrow
Posted 09:28am 19/3/09
3dee, I only use my phone for phone-related crap.

I only brought this point up because it happened to a friend of mine while we were traveling. I thought it was hilarious. I'm more than happy to buy separate gadgets for individual purposes. Phone for calling, camera for photos, ipod for music, laptop for browsing.
3dee
Posted 09:31am 19/3/09
3dee, I only use my phone for phone-related crap.

I only brought this point up because it happened to a friend of mine while we were traveling. I thought it was hilarious. I'm more than happy to buy separate gadgets for individual purposes. Phone for calling, camera for photos, ipod for music, laptop for browsing.

Well then separate them. I only like carrying one device and a wallet so its great for me since its a really good MP3 player as well as being my phone and internet device.

I'm just saying, basing your decision on something plainly obvious like music using your battery is kinda silly.
BillyHardball
Posted 09:42am 19/3/09
sparrow, your friend sounds like a retard. Also, you would be retarded to consider getting an iPhone if you weren't planning on using the iPod functionality:p
TiT
Posted 10:14am 19/3/09
the funniest thing is that if the iphone got bigger so they could fit a bigger battery in there everyone would complain...
simul
Posted 10:16am 19/3/09
Tethering apparently working in the 3.0 beta :D

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/18/usb-tethering-working-on-iphone-3-0/
Dan
Posted 10:18am 19/3/09
It doesn't need to be a bigger battery, just make the damn thing removeable so heavy users can carry an extra one or third parties can release larger capacity batteries.

From a user-benefit perspective, there's no good reason not to do this.
sparrow
Posted 10:18am 19/3/09
sparrow, your friend sounds like a retard. Also, you would be retarded to consider getting an iPhone if you weren't planning on using the iPod functionality:p

I'm not considering getting an iPhone. And yes, many of my friends are retards.
trog
Posted 10:42am 19/3/09
sparrow, your friend sounds like a retard. Also, you would be retarded to consider getting an iPhone if you weren't planning on using the iPod functionality:p
The iPod functionality is prolly the worst thing about my iPod Touch and the thing I use the LEAST (aside from the vendor lock in s***, obvy)

1) each time I plug in to my PC it "resets" my active playlist - so when I double-tap the Button and hit play, it starts from the first song in my "all songs" list. Whatever I was listening to before is gone. I am sick of heading A.D.D. by System of a Down (oh, who am I kidding, no I'm not)

2) audiobook playback has no option (that I can find?) to reset the status of where I Was up to to continue from. Compounded with 1) this makes it a total pain in the ass to use for audiobooks.

3) the tilt screen thing is so annoying - every time I'm using it I seem to trip it and it does that stupid animation and loads the stupid catalogue viewer, so there's like a 4 second pause where I can't do what I was actually trying to do. Maybe you can disable that though, I dunno.
3dee
Posted 10:50am 19/3/09
Oh man, Safari: OPEN IN NEW PAGE finally.

As for iPod.app, yes I have a few little gripes (mainly tiny things like it resetting what playlist you are playing and the cover flow (which i never use)) but it sure beats a lot of other Mp3 player software.
BillyHardball
Posted 10:54am 19/3/09
Yes, where is the f*****g option to turn off cover flow. The only thing this would be cool for is when you have it hooked up to a TV and you can see all your covers on TV for a party or something, but the stupid video cable doesn't allow it (unless Jailbroken).
Crash
Posted 10:56am 19/3/09
I dont usually have any problems with battery. I leave my iphone plugged into my PC at work while i listen to music to keep it charged. When im at home i charge it during the night while im asleep.
BillyHardball
Posted 11:27am 19/3/09
FYI, once a month you should fully discharge the battery and fully recharge it to improve the lifespan. More info can be found on Apple's site about improving the batteries performance/lifespan.
dranged
Posted 11:46am 19/3/09
a2dp support! bout time.
scuzzy
Posted 12:15pm 19/3/09
FYI, once a month you should fully discharge the battery and fully recharge it to improve the lifespan. More info can be found on Apple's site about improving the batteries performance/lifespan.
I'm guessing what Lithium Ion? Don't discharge them to empty, thats dumb.
3dee
Posted 12:22pm 19/3/09
I've decided to drop my current "next version" WIP of my GigCal app and work on a totally better 3.0 SDK version.
simul
Posted 01:07pm 19/3/09
2) audiobook playback has no option (that I can find?) to reset the status of where I Was up to to continue from. Compounded with 1) this makes it a total pain in the ass to use for audiobooks.


If you hit the button in the top right on the audiobook it should come up with a screen to list chapters. Not perfect and you might already know about it, but makes the ebook interface slightly less painful. But yes, its bad.
BillyHardball
Posted 01:07pm 19/3/09
scuzzy, how come? According to http://www.apple.com/batteries/iphone.html :
For proper maintenance of a lithium-based battery, its important to keep the electrons in it moving occasionally. Be sure to go through at least one charge cycle per month (charging the battery to 100% and then completely running it down).

Dr Karl has also said this is important.
scuzzy
Posted 01:20pm 19/3/09
"Electrons in it moving occasionally"
What
BillyHardball
Posted 01:46pm 19/3/09
I don't know what that means and I don't know what your criticisms are... so I'm going to stick with what I've been told...
Jim
Posted 02:29pm 19/3/09
I've actually found I get better results by doing the opposite - I actually make all the electrons come to a complete halt
TicMan
Posted 03:06pm 19/3/09
3dee - show me the 3.0 firmware money!
TicMan
Posted 04:51pm 19/3/09
Oh I thought you had the firmware installed and going :(
exo
Posted 05:16pm 19/3/09
He does, but he's concerned that screenshots may endanger his developer status.
natslovR
Posted 06:23pm 19/3/09
i thought the reason you needed to occasionally fully discharge the iphone was so that the battery monitoring stuff can re-calibrate and give you more accurate usage information.
3dee
Posted 06:27pm 19/3/09
He does, but he's concerned that screenshots may endanger his developer status.

Not so much that, but more that I was being lazy.
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