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Post by trog @ 11:04am 05/12/08 | 54 Comments
Valve have just pushed out a new update to Left 4 Dead - here's the changelog:
- Finding a dedicated server when starting the game from a lobby is now faster and more reliable
- Versus mode is now locked to Normal difficulty
- Difficulty on a server is now locked to the one set by the lobby reservation
- Fixed lagouts/spikes after level transition
- Fixed directory issue with spray logs in some cases
- Fixed video settings not saving after closing video options dialog
- Corrected a boomer suicide exploit
- Several minor localization fixes
- Fixed a error were disabling cheats would incorrectly reset data
As always, just bounce Steam to get the update.



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Latest Comments
Tollaz0r!
Posted 11:12am 05/12/08

- Versus mode is now locked to Normal difficulty
- Difficulty on a server is now locked to the one set by the lobby reservation


Why would they do that? Callvote is REALLY EASY to use and should be changeable. Versus should also be what the majority want.

I would still like to see a normal server search, like the rest of Valve games.
Finding a game within Australia using the default options is absolute dongs!
parabol
Posted 11:14am 05/12/08
Eh, was hoping for a new campaign :/ L4D is freaking awesome and all, but for an almost full-price game it really needs more content!

I really like the lobby system that sets up and configures a game, followed by placing you onto a free dedicated server. As mentioned above it would have been nice to be able to pick a geographically close server manually (or at least easily if there currently is a mechanism I'm unaware of).
Carson
Posted 11:17am 05/12/08
I've never had a problem with finding a local server. But I am mega disappointed about versus only being Normal. It's too easy like that, should be advanced!

Locking the difficulty of the game is also pretty lame. I like to be able to change the difficulty of the game if it's too hard/easy midway through and have it stay that way for the rest of the game, until I decide to change it again.
Any
Posted 11:24am 05/12/08
I think they need to lock the vs difficulty, as 1 team can vote to change difficulty, and only members of that team need to vote to pass it. ie, team 1 survive on easy, then they change difficulty to expert while they are infected. So you just have constant vote wars to change difficulty.

Though if they are going to lock it, why wouldn't they make it selectable in the lobby like for a campaign?!
TiT
Posted 11:35am 05/12/08
well in a vs game.. its pretty impossible to win on expert... unless you have real gumby infected team and leet surivour..
Carson
Posted 11:41am 05/12/08
Well I reckon letting vs have the option in the lobby to set the difficulty for the game would be good.
Any
Posted 11:44am 05/12/08
yeah exactly... so as soon as you're team is winning, you were able to set the difficulty to expert, and victory was assured. It was broken, but they've given us a n00b solution. I rekon advanced woulda been a much better difficulty to lock to, but it should be set and locked in lobby really.
CHUB
Posted 12:58pm 05/12/08
- Versus mode is now locked to Normal difficulty
GG f****tains
ravn0s
Posted 01:02pm 05/12/08
played versus for the first time today, pretty fun but im s*** as infected. still getting used to them i guess.
Varchld
Posted 02:01pm 05/12/08
Why are people complaining about versus mode being set to normal, it's easy as the infected to win. I've never seen a survivor group make it away safe and usually they don't even make it to the end of levels unless the infected really suck.
Expert difficulty versus modes is just about who can sprint the furthest most of the time.

And I think what it means by: Difficulty on a server is now locked to the one set by the lobby reservation.
Means that you can still in game vote but you can't set up a lobby on normal and then change it to expert while still in the lobby.
FraktuRe
Posted 02:24pm 05/12/08
^No that would be even more retarded.
infi
Posted 02:28pm 05/12/08
everyone is so hardcore in l4d servers. it's like a pre-requisite that you have to be badass to even step in one.
ctd
Posted 02:40pm 05/12/08
F*** why the hell would they lock the difficulty. Also for in campaign mode we have had to join a server manually each time we played because of the retarded lobby dropping us into an american server. Now we cant do it unless the server is already on expert.

c**** better grow a brain and reverse this s***.

edit: While I think normal versus mode is ok now... I am thinking in 2 weeks time when all the noobs learn the maps really well I dont think infected will ever have a chance. Just have faith that valve know what they are doing :P

last edited by ctd at 14:40:46 05/Dec/08
Python
Posted 02:54pm 05/12/08
Noooooooooooo boomer exploit!
straw hat hippie
Posted 03:21pm 05/12/08
Yeah seems like a fail move by valve, but, i trust em, hopefully they know whats what (locking versus mode to normal). That said i reckon as soon as we fully submit to valve they will unviel their masterplan for world domination.
Midda
Posted 04:03pm 05/12/08
- Difficulty on a server is now locked to the one set by the lobby reservation

I'm glad they fixed this. We ran into this bug once a few nights ago. We had a couple mates in our group who were new to the game, so we set it to Normal. But, every time we'd progress to a new chapter, it'd reset back to expert, and we'd get destroyed. It was really annoying having to change it back all the time.
CHUB
Posted 04:28pm 05/12/08
Why are people complaining about versus mode being set to normal, it's easy as the infected to win. I've never seen a survivor group make it away safe and usually they don't even make it to the end of levels unless the infected really suck.
No.

A good team of survivors make it to the end of every level without fail, most of the time with 4 med packs.

The only exception is a good tank vs tier 1 weapons, that's the only situation I've ever seen a team not make the safe room.
ctd
Posted 05:10pm 05/12/08
Dont forget that CHUB is gods gift to the online gaming scene.
TiT
Posted 06:39pm 05/12/08
Dont forget that CHUB is gods gift to the online gaming scene.


+1

Vs is pretty hard when humans are infected
HyperJ
Posted 09:38pm 05/12/08
The problem was it only let the 4 people on the infected team vote, so they could vote and other team wouldn't know.

All they need is an option as lobby the same as campaign mode, or let all 8 people vote on difficulty change.

Something isn't quite right with the vs mode in the server browser, servers still show up with 4 slots.

I too prefer vs on advanced, it actually gives the humans a challenge.
CHUB
Posted 10:42pm 05/12/08
Looks like they really spent a lot of time on the matchmaker/server thingo.

20+ lobby restarts and not a single server under 250ms for a 4 player coop game.

Fail.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 12:19am 06/12/08
I don't bother with the lobby for that reason. I was surprised we got a good co-op server from lobby.

I use xfire to do a search for games under 100 ping and min of 6 players. Then quickly bust through the 6/8,7/8 servers looking for player scores of 0 or close to it, that usually means a game has just started.

Works fairly well, stupid that I have to resort to that though.
parabol
Posted 12:27am 06/12/08
20+ lobby restarts and not a single server under 250ms for a 4 player coop game.

Not sure why you guys have so many issues. I just hit Play Online, chose to enter either a lobby or a game in progress. I get Internode, GA or 3FL usually, no dramas?
CHUB
Posted 12:32am 06/12/08
How did your VS game go on normal Toll?

PS. Dead Air finale is lame ;) wtb less corners to huddle up in.
Not sure why you guys have so many issues. I just hit Play Online, chose to enter either a lobby or a game in progress. I get Internode, GA or 3FL usually, no dramas?
Yeah I usually got the same when the game was first released.

Was giving us USA over and over non-stop despite 2 aussies/2 NZ's.

I'm not too stressed about the locked to Normal VS thing, Valve will change it, so much rage going around the Steam forums... stupid decision that made no sense at all. We'll get a proper lobby filter, will be good VS gaming.

last edited by CHUB at 00:32:04 06/Dec/08
Tollaz0r!
Posted 08:23am 06/12/08

How did your VS game go on normal Toll?


It was actually quite fun, a little too easy for the survivors, they won the round most times.

Although there was an excellent moment when we SMASHED the survivors right outside spawn, everything just happened right.
parabol
Posted 04:07pm 06/12/08
For those of you who bought the game yourself (i.e. not received as a Steam gift), is your game located in:

Steam\Steamapps\common\left 4 dead\

.. or is it under your username path instead of 'common'?
rubba-chikin
Posted 04:11pm 06/12/08
it lives in the common folder

there are a few .ncf files that sit in the steamapps dir though
parabol
Posted 04:25pm 06/12/08
thanks.
ctd
Posted 06:59pm 06/12/08
holy f*** this game join system. I think it is f***ed again or there isnt enough servers.

for such an awesome game it is the s***test join system ever
FraktuRe
Posted 07:29pm 06/12/08
More updates:
Left 4 Dead


Fixed Infected Players melee pushing large objects to block the survivors path

Fixed +lobby exploit

Fixed exploit of "hugging" the Witch from behind where she can't hit you

Fixed players not being kicked from a vote by changing their name before it succeeds

Disabled difficulty change votes from the console in versus mode

Boxhead
Posted 07:51pm 06/12/08
Fixed Infected Players melee pushing large objects to block the survivors path
What the f***?! so the survivors could melee push them out of the way! christ what fun is there now?
ravn0s
Posted 08:05pm 06/12/08
i think it means tanks will no longer be able to push cars to block the way to the safe house.
$ack
Posted 03:24am 07/12/08
STOP STEALING MY TF2 DEVELOPERS >:|

wheres the next class update at!
CHUB
Posted 07:27am 07/12/08
TF2 needs a REALLY uber map next update, whether a payload map that surpasses Basin (which pwns Goldrush) or something extra special.

L4D is the win atm, I played soo much VS I forgot about the coop, NEARLY finished Dead Air last night on Expert, I find it's probably the easiest campaign just need a few more cracks.

Biggest win is when you stand on the crane/alert the horde and you have multiple fuel cans at your disposal, RAPE.
parabol
Posted 10:41am 07/12/08
Ok I finally experienced a lack of good server search. Ended up on russian servers and s***.

Tried the server browser command, Internode/GA/3FL wouldn't show on the public server list so I had to manually add 28 Internode servers to the Favourites list. Even then I couldn't join them from the freaking browser since it doesn't query them properly (tries to query the IP 0.0.0.0 instead?) - had to manually connect to the IP from the console.

Shame because there were so many empty servers in .au that I couldn't manually start a game on. They better fix this as that's completely bulls***.
d[o_0]b
Posted 11:10am 07/12/08
cmon now stop being such newbs, openserverbrowser search internet all (remove filters for full or empty games) sort by name or ping and add to favorites is it that fkn hard? cry babies
ravn0s
Posted 11:13am 07/12/08
Tried the server browser command, Internode/GA/3FL wouldn't show on the public server list so I had to manually add 28 Internode servers to the Favourites list. Even then I couldn't join them from the freaking browser since it doesn't query them properly (tries to query the IP 0.0.0.0 instead?) - had to manually connect to the IP from the console.


erm you could have gone into custom and typed gamearena, internode or 3fl into the search for tag box, then right click them all and add to favs.

last edited by ravn0s at 11:13:13 07/Dec/08
d[o_0]b
Posted 11:16am 07/12/08
if you want a game with your mates just join an empty server with low ping (theres millions) and invite your mates. once your all in vote restart or change scenario or whatever you want to do
parabol
Posted 11:22am 07/12/08
erm you could have gone into custom

Thanks for that, didn't look in Custom since you know .. the INTERNET tab seemed like a better place for internet servers (and maybe having a checkbox for filtering custom games) :)
if you want a game with your mates just join an empty server with low ping (theres millions) and invite your mates. once your all in vote restart or change scenario or whatever you want to do

Cheers for that, will do that in future.

Shame ya gotta f*** around like this though.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 11:31am 07/12/08

cmon now stop being such newbs, openserverbrowser search internet all (remove filters for full or empty games) sort by name or ping and add to favorites is it that fkn hard? cry babies


For some reason my search internet doesn't work well, it returns maybe 4 servers. It only does it in L4D. It works fine in TF2 though.

The fav/history tabs work fine though.
d[o_0]b
Posted 11:59am 07/12/08
check ur filters and open ur firewallz mang
ctd
Posted 01:16pm 07/12/08
na f*** you it wasnt working properly at about 7pm last night. Came good around 10pm
Tollaz0r!
Posted 02:29pm 07/12/08

check ur filters and open ur firewallz mang


Just checked, its all good. My other HL2 games work fine, only L4D has issues.
Midda
Posted 09:52pm 07/12/08
cmon now stop being such newbs, openserverbrowser search internet all (remove filters for full or empty games) sort by name or ping and add to favorites is it that fkn hard? cry babies

That's what I do, works much better.

For anyone who didn't quite understand what this post meant, you type openserverbrowser into the console, and it opens the standard Steam server browser, like in TF2 or whatever. Add -console to the launch options of L4D to enable the console.
ravn0s
Posted 10:12pm 07/12/08
you can enable the console in settings to i think.

they really need to do something to stop people from holing up in closets etc. it such a lame tactic and if you are on the infected side theres pretty much s*** all that you can do to get them out.
CHUB
Posted 10:18pm 07/12/08
they really need to do something to stop people from holing up in closets etc. it such a lame tactic and if you are on the infected side theres pretty much s*** all that you can do to get them out.
Which is the reason VS on Normal doesn't work.

Anyone that knows how to exploit as survivors can take on unlimited hordes + boomer attacks and take close to 0hp damage.

I'm fine with exploiting on expert, it's 20hp per zombie hit, s*** slips through when you're surrounded and the horde does there job.
rubba-chikin
Posted 11:24pm 07/12/08
If they are just chillin inside a closet how does that help?

The game scores on percentage of distance traveled not time spent alive.

They have to come out sooner or later to go further.
CHUB
Posted 11:34pm 07/12/08
They have to come out sooner or later to go further.
You make it sound like it's a danger.

Kill the multiple hordes/boomer attacks (which is the "hardest" part) then move. What's going to stop you? A smoker that takes 5+ seconds to do ANY damage or a hunter that does <5hp damage per hit that's guaranteed to be removed instantly?

Finale horde rushes, a boomer getting 4 hits survivors... these should be fatal scenario's.

ATM you can clearly melee/defend ALL zombies in front of you (2hp per hit) while taking hits from behind (1hp per hit) for multiple minutes without going into the yellow, let alone getting downed. That's not even taking into account that a large amount of players know how to back into a corner/closet and melee to sustain 0 damage.

It's just far too weak. The game is great, melee needs a bit of a slowdown/stamina effect that's for sure, but VS just needs to be set on a higher difficulty so that people that play expert COOP don't have to play VS 2 difficulty settings lower.

Valve will fix it, surely.
FraktuRe
Posted 11:37pm 07/12/08
Valve will fix it, else server side mods will.

I've heard some severs have already incorporated a stamina system for melee.
parabol
Posted 12:04am 08/12/08
ATM you can clearly melee/defend ALL zombies in front of you

Like my window defence?


ravn0s
Posted 10:36am 08/12/08
god damn i love the auto shotty. best weapon imo.
CHUB
Posted 11:52am 08/12/08
It's the ultimate TK weapon also.

I tend to take the Hunting Rifle since nobody else does, you can easily pick off 20 stationary zombies before your team is even within range to alert them. Sometimes you get lucky and can kill 50 of them in 10 bullets, bullets through body ftw.

Pretty good against tank too provided your team gives him the run around.
ravn0s
Posted 12:46pm 08/12/08
It's the ultimate TK weapon also.


only if youre a noob. i usually take the lead so idiot team mates dont run infront of me when im shooting.
parabol
Posted 01:44pm 08/12/08
i usually take the lead so idiot team mates dont run infront of me when im shooting.

I have the problem of being hit by teammates repeatedly when I melee zombies (e.g. when I'm reloading), especially when I'm leading. Even though I don't need assistance on the one-f*****g-zombie and have the situation under complete control, they ALL insist on shooting at him anyway when he's an arm's length away from me - causing TK damage. It's not just noob players, either.
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