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Post by trog @ 01:52pm 29/07/05 | 44 Comments
A bunch of sites have been reporting about the grandmother angry at Rockstar/Take 2 over the recent Hot Coffee thing (you may have heard about it).
A woman upset that she bought the video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" for her 14-year-old grandson without knowing it contained hidden, sexually explicit scenes sued the manufacturer Wednesday on behalf of consumers nationwide.
The suit also apparently states (according to the sfgate.com article) that she bought the game in late 2004 - which would imply that it was the PlayStation 2 version, as the PC version wasn't released until June 2005. Not sure if wires are getting crossed here (including my own), but I would assume that the Hot Coffee mod is PC only and you can't unlock the allegedly included sexually explicit content on the PS2 - right? Anyway, as always, it will be interesting to see where this ends up.








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tung
Posted 01:54pm 29/7/05
yeah that was my first thought, its only the pc version that can be unlocked afaik.

secondly, 14 years old? please, should get thrown out just for that :/
ravn0s
Posted 01:59pm 29/7/05
secondly, 14 years old? please, should get thrown out just for that :/


yer this lady must be bloody retarded
Obes
Posted 02:12pm 29/7/05
Its america, land of the free laywers who will sue over anything.

Sadly we too are going that way.
You go back country skiing and injure yourself... sue the mountain resort for letting you!! Even tho it was your fault for going out of bounds in the first place. End result they will actively pursue and ban people who go back country/off piste = less fun. People don't take responsibilities for their own actions.
WetWired
Posted 02:21pm 29/7/05
it'll get thrown out I reckon, for one, before the game was re-rated to AO, wasn't it rated MA17+?

so she bought a game rated 17+ for a 14 year old, and now she' suing? f*****g god damn moron, I hope someone hits her and her whole family with a truck to remove this stupidity from the gene pool
Kimbo
Posted 02:21pm 29/7/05
How do these people even breed?

Oh wait I'm forgetting its the US where anything is possible including pumping air into your head.
deep
Posted 02:23pm 29/7/05
It is possible to unlock the Hot Coffee mod on the ps2 version of the game. You need an Action Replay or Gameshark plus the cheat codes to unlock the mod.
Kimbo
Posted 02:28pm 29/7/05
Yeah but who wants to input a ton of action replay game codes just for a very bad looking model
Krumm
Posted 02:35pm 29/7/05
Also can be done on the xbox but youd need a modified one to do it.
Tiny
Posted 02:38pm 29/7/05
what a stupid old b****
StreX
Posted 02:41pm 29/7/05
f*** i hate people.

except for maddox, he says exactly what im thinking.

last edited by StreX at 14:41:57 29/Jul/05
trog
Posted 02:44pm 29/7/05
It is possible to unlock the Hot Coffee mod on the ps2 version of the game. You need an Action Replay or Gameshark plus the cheat codes to unlock the mod.
Cool - I don't know what either of those things are :(
NavySEAL
Posted 03:40pm 29/7/05
They're little electronic devices that plug into the back of the playstation. When your turn the ps on you have the option to load the game or goto the gamesharke menu. You then enter some hex codes and apply them to the game you're about to play. Most of those cheats modify the memory I think so it makes some games unstable.
stan
Posted 03:42pm 29/7/05
i wish i could sue for stupidity.... i would be stupidly rich :P
im going to load up GTA SA and run over a granny....
Reverend Evil
Posted 03:47pm 29/7/05
I hope she gets in some type of horrible accident and ends up a quadraplegic, while said accident doesn't harm anyone else unless they were involved in this.

People like her should be put to sleep, and whoever else was helping her do this.

>8-(
Zelph
Posted 04:01pm 29/7/05
What's next? Grannys suing her ISP because *shock horror* there's p0rn on the internet.
neWordeR
Posted 04:38pm 29/7/05
So its ok to carjack, beat people up, and shoot guns ... but its not ok to have sex..

what is this world coming to??!
blahnana
Posted 05:11pm 29/7/05
Maybe if her 14yo son was such a goddamned angel she wouldn't have to worry.
Hell_Fire
Posted 03:21am 30/7/05
The "evil" bit is in the save game files, not specifically a memory only hack. So if you have access to the save file, you have access to the bit (yes, single bit, who knew a light switch could cause so much trouble ;P)
Infidel
Posted 03:24am 30/7/05
I htink the granny just wants to make some dough
Tanaka Khan
Posted 10:54am 30/7/05
What's next? Grannys suing her ISP because *shock horror* there's p0rn on the internet.


Dammit that was gonna be my law suit!
AdamtehGreat
Posted 11:12am 30/7/05
its ok. You can sue her for stealing your law suit.
Poogay
Posted 11:19am 30/7/05
I really should buy GTA:SA before they start releasing versions where you drive fluffy little pink cars and instead of running over people, you run over carrots to gain an extra happy bonus point...

GG old people
DM
Posted 11:28am 30/7/05
man this was a good laugh. she is sueing cuz her 14(!) grandson hacked the ps2 version and put in the hot coffee mod?

1.) what is a 14yr old doing playing this obviously 18+ game?

2.) why is this kid allowed to download a sex mod on the internet and then hack the game?

ffs dont parents care wtf their kids do anymore?
Sover
Posted 12:58pm 30/7/05
What a f*****g retard why would you buy a 17+ rated game for a 14yr old first of all and if he downloaded the hot coffee mod then obviously the child knew what to expect?

So its ok to carjack, beat people up, and shoot guns ... but its not ok to have sex


It's the same s*** with gone in 60 seconds in the uk they had to cut out bits of it all because when it was released in the UK car theft went up like crazy or some s*** along with GTA 3 being rerelased cause there was a sex/rape secne or some s*** in it. If you can't read the Classification on a game dont buy them simple as that or you look and it will say contain explicit content.

im going to become a terrorist and f*** up all major government organisations on behalf of rockstar


You do that Jem make sure you kill george bush while doing so.
Shotty
Posted 01:58pm 30/7/05
Was her family actually effected by the content? Did they even try and see it?

She was not affected by the things being in the game, so is she even allowed to sue!?

All BS. The stuff was in the game files, but not accessable so there is no problem.
jumb
Posted 04:01pm 30/7/05
What's weird is it doesn't say that her or her grandson actually saw it, just that it was there.
havequick
Posted 04:22pm 30/7/05
The publisher should be held accountable for letting a game out with this content in it. Whether or not the woman suing has any justification to her offence is another thing. I don't know how long it will remain where games which allow gratituous acts of violence against anyone or anything will be allowed to hit the stands.
havequick
Posted 04:26pm 30/7/05
And another thing - all the people who say they want to kill grannies or run over them aren't doing themselves any favours. All it sounds like to me is these people have serious problems and are obviously nowhere near having a stable enough mind to be playing such games.
daisycutter
Posted 04:28pm 30/7/05
Can't wait for the next version of this game in which the scriptwriters/devlopers will find a drug dealing/porno starring role for granny.And just as well that Grannys Grand-Sprog wasnt around a few years ago to see the "Carrageddon" splat-a-thon.Theres a few old Grannies in that game getting run over while using their walking-frames...* I was in the war!!*..LOL!!
Skitza
Posted 05:34pm 30/7/05
Cry me a rive Grandma. Build a bridge and get over it. I'd just laugh if this was presented to me.
xaez
Posted 12:59am 31/7/05
Kane
Posted 03:15am 31/7/05
*bangs his head*
STUPID PEOPLE CAUSE CANCER
*bangs his head*
STUPID PEOPLE CAUSE CANCER
*bangs his head*
STUPID PEOPLE CAUSE CANCER
*bangs his head*
STUPID PEOPLE CAUSE CANCER
*bangs his head*
STUPID PEOPLE CAUSE CANCER
*bangs his head*
STUPID PEOPLE CAUSE CANCER
*bangs his head*
STUPID PEOPLE CAUSE CANCER
*bangs his head*
STUPID PEOPLE CAUSE CANCER
Shtaaf
Posted 09:42am 01/8/05
I completely Agree, this is stupid and makes my head hurt.

14 year old kid... buying a game rated at LEAST m15... The grandma will be sued for exposing her grandson to that content, that she will be found the one responcible because she purchased the game for him. Americans just cannot look past their own noses... Its just "im great because Im from the USA - No one can hurt me or prove me wrong" Typical American Mentality. Her case will be thrown out and then the classification department will file a counter-sue against her, for unintended exposure to a minor...

Pfftt die in hell granny, your time was up years ago, god just hasnt done anything about u because he just hasnt been paying attention to your life, because NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU!
IncrEdible_vEgetable
Posted 01:20pm 01/8/05
Does it strike anyone else as strange that this thread has at least a dozen people who have a post count of under 20?

This furthers my suspicion that the entire QGL message board is written by trog taking on multiple personalities. I don't even know if I am real or not anymore...

And yes, granny should be given a good slapping. Sif buy computer games for a 14 y.o. kid. Give them a stick and a bag of marbles and send em outside for fresh air.
One
Posted 03:52am 02/8/05
Still, Rockstar left this in the game didn't they? They should be held fully accountable. If you leave something like this in a game you know you want someone to do something with it. It's like MicroSoft putting easter eggs in excel, you should be complaining about the extra space it takes up on your hard drive where you could be storing _real_ porn.
Shotty
Posted 07:57am 02/8/05
The publisher should be held accountable for letting a game out with this content in it. Whether or not the woman suing has any justification to her offence is another thing. I don't know how long it will remain where games which allow gratituous acts of violence against anyone or anything will be allowed to hit the stands.
The publisher did NOT let the game out with the content in it. This innapropriate content was not accessable unless someone hacks the game. Without hacking the game you cannot and will not see this content.

Still, Rockstar left this in the game didn't they? They should be held fully accountable. If you leave something like this in a game you know you want someone to do something with it. It's like MicroSoft putting easter eggs in excel, you should be complaining about the extra space it takes up on your hard drive where you could be storing _real_ porn.
The difference is that they didn't actually leave the content in there. Also, this is definately not an easter egg. Easter eggs are hidden features you can access without needing to 'hack the game'. Big difference.

Admittedly they probably could have crippled the content more. But when you are busy creating a game, working 15 hour days in crunch mode, as long as it doesn't stop the game from working you take the route of least resistance.
One
Posted 06:06pm 02/8/05
Oh, I was told that this was still in the game, even if you need a hack to see it. See Gameshark code for PS2. That does not magically add it into the game where it was not before.

You can not disprove the idea that Rockstar intentionally left this in the game, in the hope it would be discovered and increase sales. Which it probably hasn't done.
Jez261
Posted 09:58pm 03/8/05
"Still, Rockstar left this in the game didn't they? They should be held fully accountable."

So what, the content is not accessable in any way shape or form without 3rd party interference.

The 'hot coffee' scenes are nothing more than scraps of game content left on the cutting room floor. To piss and moan about 'hot coffe' is like complaining about a scene that was filmed for a feature film that was edited out for sensorship reasons... The viewer is not meant to see this content in the version that is released to the public, but it still exists even if not physically on the media that the movie is distributed on.

'Hot coffe' in order to be accessed needs the end user to deliberatly take action to view the content. If adult gamers choose to do so then let them, its their conscious decision to do so.

If children are accessing this content then the parents have failed in their duty of care. For starters, the parents have allowed the children access to a game that is not rated for them. The parents have also allowed their children unsupervised access to the internet in order to download the patch, and at the same time Id suggest these unsupervised children may well have accessed pronographic content online. Granted, this is only the case if said children are using the PC version.

The classification system exsists primaraly to protect children form adult content in entertainment products, I would suggest that there are TV programmes that display much more sexually explicit content that are both classified and marketed at the teenage market. Lets explore the hypocracy of the OFLC a little further shall we... heres a clip I came across the other day of a film rated MA15+ some years ago by our very own OFLC... http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=1622 . The clip clearly shows naked breasts and two females engaging in same sex kissing. How is it that this can be allowed in a MA15+ film when a game gets banned for HIDDEN content that only implies sexual acts between male and female characters. They arent even naked for christs sakes.

The whole 'hot coffe' debarkle has been blown way out of proportion, unfortunatley by those who are the most ignorant in regards to gaming... politicians and the media. Its also unfortunate that it is also these people who have the most control over what is seen in media such as games.

I have spent alot of time following this story online and reading/contributing to forums such as this one over that past few weeks. This issue has clearly touched a nerve of many gamers, GTA players or otherwise, worldwide.

It would seem to me that the major cause of the scale of this issue is derrived from ignorance. The perception of gamers worldwide seems to be that we are 8yo boys playing Mario Bors, none of the press that I have seen seems to even acknowledge that gaming is/has fast become a mainstream medium. The average age of a gamer is somewhere from late 20's to early 40's with a fast aproaching even split of the sexes at approx 60/40. The game industry is maturing but the publics perception of it is not.

Then there is the tendancy of the media to balme the actions of any mentally unstable teen on their gaming habbits but never the fact that Daddy's a sex offender and Mummy's a wineo.

The real question is what can we as gamers do to help ourselves? Pissing and moaning on forums read only by gamers is clearly not the answer. Even if I am guilty of it as much as anyone else here.

The whole situation is a Joke, and then to hear that some old cow with dollar signs in her eyes is looking to cash in on the situation, and kcik Take Two while its down is simply unbelievable. And for her to include in her complaint that she handed a M17(US rating) game to a 14yo is nothing short of jaw dropping.

"She is seeking unspecified damages on behalf of herself and all consumers nationwide and demands that the company should give up its profits from the game for what amounted to false advertising, consumer deception, and unfair business practices."

All I can say is what a stupid b****!

To sum up my, and Im sure many of your, feelings toward this issue.... http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ticket_to_hell
Tim
Posted 10:06am 04/8/05
Someone give me this f*****g stupid b****** address so I can stab her in the eye with a rusty f*****g fork!
Aaah! F*** me these restarted a******* piss me off.

I know all the relevant points have already been made so I just wanted to vent my frustration about these f*** sticks.
Nidz
Posted 09:36pm 07/8/05
Hey grandma, how about not buying it in the first place.. Stupid old woman
Trapper
Posted 01:07am 08/8/05
technicaly the guy that got hit by the cab up at the rbh that i saw could sue rockster, i turned the corner see this guy get hit and just turn around and walk off not a problem. was playing too much gta for it to shock me lead to me not giveing a s*** and therefore not helping him in anyway or staying around to talk to the cops (luckily it was peak time outside a hospital so i didn't have to worry anyway)
myWhiteWolf
Posted 02:14am 08/8/05
F*** me these restarted a******* piss me off.
HO ho ho.. oh, teh funnies, theys maka me laughs.

Does it strike anyone else as strange that this thread has at least a dozen people who have a post count of under 20?
also noticed.

its all been said before "stupid" and "very stupid" come to mind.

ffs dont parents care wtf their kids do anymore?
that's a fairly stupid comment. yes, they do. otherwise they wouldn't be sueing now would they?

i really dont see what the big deal is about sex ffs porn movies should be made G-Ratings, coz if kids didnt watch them before f*****g, theyd probably never realise that theyd most probably have to pull out if they dont use condoms (unless the chick is on the pill, which ofcourse usually doesnt work all that well), and they wouldnt use condoms coz their parents would be so shocked if they asked them for them, and they get to embarresed to walk into the shop and buy them.
you are joking aren't you? please tell me you are jokeing? i don't think i want to live in a world of people this stupid.

I don't know how long it will remain where games which allow gratituous acts of violence against anyone or anything will be allowed to hit the stands. And another thing - all the people who say they want to kill grannies or run over them aren't doing themselves any favours. All it sounds like to me is these people have serious problems and are obviously nowhere near having a stable enough mind to be playing such games.
1, violent games will always be popular. even if they are banned. they will just be downloaded from the net. 2, you can't take people seriously when they are making murderous threats. if so then perhaps you are the one with the serious mental instabillity

You can not disprove the idea that Rockstar intentionally left this in the game, in the hope it would be discovered and increase sales. Which it probably hasn't done. i think its almost definantly done. when i heard it was going to be banned i was about to go out and grab a copy myself before it got banned. untill of course i realised i didn't have enough moneys. and from what i heard stock numbers shrunk fairly fast when it got announced. although thats possibily just a rumor.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 07:59am 08/8/05

ffs dont parents care wtf their kids do anymore?

that's a fairly stupid comment. yes, they do. otherwise they wouldn't be sueing now would they?


Sueing over the alleged dry-sex scenes. Never mind the rest of the game. She is only on the bandwagon dude, if she really was shocked I doubt she would have purchesed (or allowed the purchase) the game. If she didnt know what was in it, she should get a clue and LOOK at the box..
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