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Post by trog @ 11:15am 10/06/03 | 66 Comments
News.com.au are reporting that an alleged leader of piracy group Razor1911 has been sentenced to 18 months jailtime in the US for piracy:
"Shane Pitman's conviction and sentence should send a strong message to organised internet gangs like Razor1911 that stealing and illegally distributing game software online is not a game," said US Attorney Paul McNulty...Pitman was among more than 40 individuals targeted worldwide by Operation Buccaneer, a 14-month undercover investigation by a variety of law enforcement agencies.



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Reverend Evil
Posted 11:17am 10/6/03
But I thought if you put that little claus thingy in the readme file that says if you like the game go out and buy it, that it would be fine to d/l them.

8-)

Looks like he'll have some time to think over what he's been doing. I'm sure alot of software companies are rejoicing.
BassMan
Posted 11:19am 10/6/03
Wouldn't Razor be considered one of the heavy-weights of organised piracy (along with other groups like Myth etc)?
trog
Posted 11:20am 10/6/03
Razor has been around for as long as I can remember; I imagine that this guy going down will probably scare a few people in that particular organisation. I doubt that the majority of software pirates have a Mafia-like obsession with keeping their lips together when it comes time to start dobbing in their fellow criminals - this guy could take a few people with him.
Reverend Evil
Posted 11:21am 10/6/03
Razor are huge in the iso scene. They've been around for god knows how long. Was it Myth or Fairlight that used to do the rips?
Darius
Posted 11:22am 10/6/03
I dont think 18 months is a very 'scary' sentence ... hardly something to send shivers down your spine
Reverend Evil
Posted 11:24am 10/6/03
Going to prison would shivers down my spine. F*** that.
BassMan
Posted 11:26am 10/6/03
I can see Razor becoming 'martyrs' very quickly. While other groups may lie low for a while, one can expect to see tributes in future *.nfo files.

No doubt this will shake-up the warez scene though.
d0mino
Posted 11:27am 10/6/03
yeah i dont think 18 months is alot of time, think about how much free stuff that guy has given away, i mean, what would be the total worth of all the copies of all their pirated stuff ? it would be a crap load ill tell you that.
Reverend Evil
Posted 11:31am 10/6/03
For all we know the guy that got busted might of only been making coffee for the other guys doing the ripping. In the wrong place at the wrong time.

8-)

<--- Palindrome post...WooT!
Hemerage
Posted 11:30am 10/6/03
18months is f*****g weak!

They wanna sue ppl for selling some warez music CD's worth $30 each .... for BILLIONS of dollars

and this dudes is the ringleader of a huge warez "thing", and has prolly cracked/sent millions of games to ppl ....

blah
d0mino
Posted 11:33am 10/6/03
LOCK THIS TRHEAD I THINK ITS ABOUT WAREZ
nF
Posted 11:39am 10/6/03
Arrrr! It be a sad day for pirates.
Spook
Posted 11:40am 10/6/03
18 months is pretty ugly

i wouldnt want to spend 1 nite in jail, let alone 540 of them
Tepid
Posted 11:44am 10/6/03
about the music thing... and why the hell are they 30 dollars? it's say, 30-45 minutes of music. takes a few months to make.
yet DVDs are say 34 dollars, take millions of dollars to make, and a year plus. they're twice as long at least, and audio + visual. also more expensive to replicate. IT MAKES NO SENSE DUDE.
if i ever start a band, my cds will be like 10 bucks.
Tepid
Posted 11:46am 10/6/03
about gaol:
it isn't all that bad, for something like theft. only medium/maximum security would be truly horrendous, and imagine this guy will get the little happy heavenly prison cell that costs more money to operate than my whole family earns in a year. (which a complete bs, prisoners get more money spent on them than my whole family)
BigZub
Posted 11:49am 10/6/03
rev evil i'm pretty sure it was myth.
StopShootingMe
Posted 11:56am 10/6/03
I still think its funny that people blame pirates for high prices on media or games.

Do you really think that if pirating went away overnight that music publishers and games developers would drop prices? If anything I think that dropping prices would help eliminate piracy. I mean, its not uncommon here to pay $100 for a game that you'll lose interest in in a month.

Hah :) Pirate away! I'll only buy something if its really good. If people object to this, bite me.
Scroteus Maximus
Posted 12:01pm 10/6/03
StopShootingMe: You hit the nail on the head!
nF
Posted 12:07pm 10/6/03
Razor are huge in the iso scene. They've been around for god knows how long.


For as long as i've been gaming. Fairlight and Razor1911 used to do amiga games over 10 years ago.
thraxjor
Posted 12:11pm 10/6/03
A wise friend of my said this, razor has been releasing for ages... ill bet it hurt them, but nothing more than a horse fly on a bronto-f*****g-saurus
Mantorok
Posted 12:15pm 10/6/03
Fairlight have called it quits, according to http://www.p***k-ign.com/
ACHTUNG
Posted 01:17pm 10/6/03
Damn, Razor1911 did some good stuff.

it isn't all that bad, for something like theft. only medium/maximum security would be truly horrendous, and imagine this guy will get the little happy heavenly prison cell that costs more money to operate than my whole family earns in a year. (which a complete bs, prisoners get more money spent on them than my whole family)


My father is a "Corrections Officer" and he says the exact same thing.
Frag
Posted 01:39pm 10/6/03
ah f***, that sucks.

one falls, 10 rise.
Spots
Posted 02:07pm 10/6/03
I dont know much about what gaol would be like, but i know a doctor who deals with prisoners and he rkns that goatse aint a patch on what you see in prison. Obviously it doesnt hit each and every prisoner, but jokes people make about what happens in there arent really jokes at all.

I've heard that even Juvy detention is also pretty bad. . . .at the end of the day prison is still something you dont want to get into no matter how 'weak' anyone thinks it is.

As for 18 months not being that bad. . .well what the hell is he going to do when he gets out? You cant apply for a job without letting them know abt 18 months worth of prison. You have to realise that being sent to prison has more implications than just "oh well, 18 months away, ill see you when i get back". No doubt it will impact him for the rest of his life.
trog
Posted 02:16pm 10/6/03
about gaol: it isn't all that bad
Uh huh
PatoriaN
Posted 02:17pm 10/6/03
wow, now there is only 23489324 other groups to close. :/
sprayNwipe
Posted 02:30pm 10/6/03
Can't get to that P***k-IGN site, so here's the quote from Fairlight:
Information :
=============

It has been a good few years, but it is now time for Fairlight to close its
doors for good. Many reasons have made us come to this judgement but we feel it
is for the best. The scene is getting to be a dangerous place. Not only do we
have to fear from the feds but also the unhonorable ones in the scene who lower
themselves to narq the competition. Retiring on top seems to be the best
decision for us. We want to thank all those throughout the years who have helped
us in one way or another.


/Team FairLight
trog
Posted 02:56pm 10/6/03
And another one bites the dust
Nidz
Posted 02:52pm 10/6/03
This is their new way to combat piracy.. Ha.. They can try but there is no way they will ever stamp out pirating of software ever.
thunderlips
Posted 03:00pm 10/6/03
18 months not a long time?
Better start reading this....
http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/RapeInPrison.html
A US prison is the last place a computer pirate would want to go.
Skitza
Posted 03:19pm 10/6/03
GG fellas. There are so many other groups that this wont matter cause they have had there time and now its time for the younger groups to stand in. Not that i condone it, its just the way it goes :)
E C H O
Posted 03:13pm 10/6/03
yer i was gunna say ... it obviously got to FairLight
natslovR
Posted 03:32pm 10/6/03
Operation Buccaneer kicked down doors world wide to much publicity and fan fare in online communities nearly 18 months ago. I'm not in to the warez scene but from where I sit I haven't seen any let up in pirate activity during that time.

Games and applications are still available before release date.

Cracks are made and are freely available as soon as new protection comes out.

The TV & DVD piracy scene has grown in leaps and bounds since then.

The console piracy scene is even bigger than a year ago and music piracy is a part of everyday life for even non computer users.

Though on that note, making arrests like this and examples of people sure would make me think long and hard about it if I was in an organised group. 18 months jail for copying stuff you never use - So not worth it.
cobz
Posted 03:47pm 10/6/03
organised internet gangs like Razor1911


thats so f*****g sad...yo yo yo my name is razor, im a reverse engineer who cracks software...this is my website hosted on my own server in my bedroom...the ip for all the law enforcement is....
Swiss Cheeseman
Posted 03:48pm 10/6/03
Although he did do eomsthing illegal, ist still pretty stupid when lawyers can still say that copyright infringement is "theft", when it is completely seperate.
deep
Posted 04:26pm 10/6/03
where will i get my cracks from now? :/
AdamtehGreat
Posted 05:34pm 10/6/03
Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!




I mean... yeh. ...go antipiracy...!


El Tosterado
Posted 05:38pm 10/6/03
errr...Buccaneer? O_o Shouldn't they be sailors or something? Cos buccaneers are just as bad as pirates....
Shaman
Posted 05:43pm 10/6/03
18 months is a long time...
really it is...

As for the argument that CD's DVD's and games should be cheaper and then less people will pirate: That's a very nice thing to say since you know they never will drop the prices, so you never have to stop pirating. I would like to see ANY pirate out there stop copying games for $1 a cd compared to say even $10 a game... WON'T happen I tell you.

Piracy will always be there, nothing you can do to stop it, same as theft and whores. Those are things people do because they are people. Trying to justify it though is just stupid. Just admit that you are stealing and deal with the concequences if you are caught.

I hardly ever buy games because I cannot afford them. If they were cheaper I would buy more, but that still doesn't justify if I were to go out and pirate them. If you can't afford a car, do you steal it and blame Holden for pricing their cars out of your financial reach?

my two cents
Parag0n
Posted 06:08pm 10/6/03
Heh i heard about this just then on an IRC channel. It seems piracy doesnt pay, no warez for you Suhaib im clean :)
BigZub
Posted 06:09pm 10/6/03
why is it that i don't believe you para? :)
Hunter
Posted 06:32pm 10/6/03
Australian, and indeed most Western jails aren't terrible in terms of conditions if you exclude being raped by numerous other prisoners. On the other hand, French and Italian jails, are or perhaps were the WORST jails you could end up in.

Remember the movie Catch Me If You Can? Well I read Abagnale's book and by christ if it were one place I'd commit a crime, it sure as hell would NOT be France. No prison sex or anything like that - just imagine being shoved into a completely dark dungeon (basically), with no light, little food and water, a bucket to go to the toilet in (only emptied something like once a month), no running water, little ventilation, no warm clothing and nothing to sleep on. Abagnale spent 6 months ( I think ) in such a prison and by the end of it he was almost completely mad. The jailers would play a game with him where they'd throw a filty, lice ridden mattress in, let him fall asleep then pull it out from under him a few hours later.

When they finally released him (and he hadn't even been to trial yet!) they had to gradually increase the light so as to not damage his vision (6 months living in the dark isn't good I don't think). Abagnale never killed anyone, he was just a conman - so yeah don't go to France and commit crimes.
StopShootingMe
Posted 06:45pm 10/6/03
Hunter, that was some time ago, and given it was in a novel theres good reason to suspect he exaggerated.
Hunter
Posted 06:51pm 10/6/03
Nope, Abagnale's book is just one account (it was actually written in 1980, well before the movie).

Ever read Papillon (an autobiography) or seen the movie? The French are, or were, cruel f*****s in their jails (justifiable in some instances). I don't know what they're like now, who knows they may have finally joined the 20th century (yes I know we're in the 21st).

trog
Posted 06:54pm 10/6/03
Australian, and indeed most Western jails aren't terrible in terms of conditions if you exclude being raped by numerous other prisoners.
Cancer, and indeed most terminal diseases aren't terrible in terms of conditions if you exclude the fact that it makes you sick as you'll ever be, and then you die.
Hunter
Posted 06:55pm 10/6/03
trog, compartively speaking, our low-security prisons are fairly easy places to live... regardless, a prison is a prison and they would be s*** places to live.
Absynthe
Posted 07:08pm 10/6/03
18 months for doing ten years worth I think he got off pretty lightly
snuff3r
Posted 07:17pm 10/6/03
trog:

Australian, and indeed most Western jails aren't terrible in terms of conditions if you exclude being raped by numerous other prisoners.

Cancer, and indeed most terminal diseases aren't terrible in terms of conditions if you exclude the fact that it makes you sick as you'll ever be, and then you die.


15-Love

Nice ace, that!
-=cloned-sheep=-
Posted 11:49pm 10/6/03
A little white man is sent to prison for the first time. He has to share a cell with a big, black, bald dude with a mean look on his face. The little white guy was s***ting in his pants not knowing what to say.

The big dude smiles hungrily at him and asks, "Well, Boy. Do you want to be the Mama or the Papa?"

In a panic, the little white guy thinks quickly to himself, "Well if I say I'm the Papa, maybe it won't be so bad!"

As soon as he said, "I'll be the Papa", the big black dude answered, "Well come over here and suck on Mama's big fat d***!"

-- This thread was becoming far too serious for my liking
Reverend Evil
Posted 11:52pm 10/6/03
Hehe

Nice one Cloned dude.

8-)
nF
Posted 11:52pm 10/6/03
That joke didn't help.

Fairlight, Myth and Razor1911 should all just go back to making intros for games. They were always cool.
riot'us
Posted 12:28am 11/6/03
If you can't afford a car, do you steal it and blame Holden for pricing their cars out of your financial reach?


well thats not really right, because if you steal someones car, then you have the car and they do not. However, if you copy someone's game then both parties are still able to play the game. The maker of the game does theoretically lose money from a missed sale.. that is assuming that you were going to actually buy the game in the first place if you hadnt already got a copy.
HeardY
Posted 12:35am 11/6/03
neff totally agree...

the uber amega and c64 ones

similar to rbg.swf :)
fade
Posted 07:40am 11/6/03
RGB.swf f***** owned. i wish they made an updated version
mooby
Posted 05:40pm 11/6/03
For as long as i've been gaming. Fairlight and Razor1911 used to do amiga games over 10 years ago.


over 10years of piarcy, took the cops 14months and in the end they only got 18months?

sounds like its worth the risk to me. sif anyones gonna care that i use kazaa.
Georgecooldude
Posted 05:43pm 11/6/03
This sucks,

America is the problem.

Screw - Interlectual Property rights!
Indigod
Posted 06:52pm 11/6/03
Well if they actually made good games, worth paying for, yes i would go spend my money on said title, but the fact is .... THEY DON"T, they make crap games, and it seems to me they are just gettin worse, eg. C&C Generals, really come on game companies, u start makin good games, and the ppl will buy the games, and not d/l them from some where else etc!!
Frag
Posted 07:04pm 11/6/03
depends on if i wanna play it online or not
Tollaz0r!
Posted 07:05pm 11/6/03
$100 for a month or two of entertainment is worth it. I know heaps of people that spend $100 for a week of entertainment..
nF
Posted 09:50pm 11/6/03
I know people who pay $300 for 1 hours entertainment.
ZasZ
Posted 02:15am 12/6/03
I know people who pay $0 for a lifetime of entertainment *looks at razor 1911*
typo
Posted 12:37am 13/6/03
well thats not really right, because if you steal someones car, then you have the car and they do not. However, if you copy someone's game then both parties are still able to play the game. The maker of the game does theoretically lose money from a missed sale.. that is assuming that you were going to actually buy the game in the first place if you hadnt already got a copy.


Actualy what pirates do is more akin to taking a product of it from the manufactor and hand it to the public for next to no cost.

That whole "actualy going to buy the game int he first place" thing is just a excuse.
Kimbo
Posted 07:58am 13/6/03
Two words:

Sneaker .NET

*wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*
Kimbo
Posted 07:58am 13/6/03
Also check this out if you are still using the Kazaa tool :)

http://www.tech-critic.com/comments.php?id=4904&catid=1#add
Kimbo
Posted 08:12am 13/6/03
[QUOTE]Actualy what pirates do is more akin to taking a product of it from the manufactor and hand it to the public for next to no cost.[/QUOTE]

Yeah and look at all the pawnbrokers.

Or even better yet, look at all those people trying to sell stuff from the boot of their car :)
They haven't stopped those people have they :)
Ex
Posted 10:06pm 13/6/03
I thought they did a great job, games are over priced, I still buy games, I just test them out first, demos never give the overall picture, been caught out with bad multiiplayer lobby's and bad multiplayer in general.


Someone said earlier about it being that you would buy the game if you couldnt pirate it, I have 30 games on my comp and wouldnt pay 10 cents for 95% of them, the games I play I pay for.

In some instances the game becomes famous because its so easily available and they sell tenfold in the sequal.
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