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Payday 2
Payday 2

PC | PlayStation 3 | Xbox 360
Genre: Action
Developer: Overkill Software Official Site: http://www.overkillsoftware....
Publisher: 505 Game Street
Release Date:
13th August 2013
Payday 2

Genre: Action
Developer: Overkill Software
Official Site: http://www.overkillso...
Publisher: 505 Game Street
Release Date:
13th August 2013
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PayDay 2 Review
Review By @ 03:47pm 16/08/13
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How is it that a scene in Saints Row 4 about a fake alien drug is enough to incur the wrath of Australia’s classification board, yet a scene in Payday 2 where you’re cooking up a few fresh batches of speed while you murder-kill hundreds of law enforcement officers doesn’t even rate a mention? It makes absolutely no sense, but it’s a bloody good thing, as to miss out on this virtual heist simulator would be criminal.

Before we dig into what makes this such a fantastic game for the price, we should point out that it’s 100% co-op. If you’re one of those strange loners who doesn’t experience extra joy when playing their favourite games with a few friends, then this is not the game for you. Yes, Payday 2 does have an offline mode where your three co-op teammates are imbued with the intelligence of a carrot, but this is intended as a tool to become familiar with the various maps rather than to actually beat them. Unlike certain other reviews, we’re not marking down Payday 2 for having shit singleplayer, because it has always been promoted as a co-op game. To do so would be like marking down Skyrim because it’s a rubbish flight simulator.



Now that I’ve got that off my chest, let’s talk about why Payday 2 is shaping up to be the most enjoyable co-op experience of 2013. The premise is simple – you’re a crook who has to take on various heists, be it cleaning out a bank, assassinating rival cartel bosses or stealing expensive paintings from a museum. Considering that cops n’ robbers is a staple pastime for every male boy in his younger years, and the incredible popularity of heist films such as Heat, Point Break and Dog Day Afternoon, it’s bizarre that there aren’t dozens of games doing the same thing. But they’re not, which leaves Payday 2 as basically the only decent heist-simulator on the market, making some of its more painful flaws slightly easier to justify.

Like the first game, you’ll head into each mission alongside three other human players. Choosing a mission is done via the crime.net, a map-style interface that is filled with pulsing dots representing each type of heist. As you level up, more heists become available. However, finding the heist you want to do, at the exact difficulty level right for your character, is about as enjoyable as being tasered by a SWAT member. The jobs seem to show up at random intervals, so you can spend several minutes waiting for just the right mission to appear, before eventually giving up and heading into something else. We can understand why crime.net was included, as it tries to add a bit of excitement to a boring old server browser, but ultimately it fails at the intended job of getting players into the mission as quickly as possible.

Once you’ve progressed past the painful mission selection screen, things start to improve. A rather vague mission briefing is given, and players can see which weapons and gadgets each member is bringing. This is the time to plan out your heist, and good teams will spend a few minutes chatting about how the job is going to go down. I only wish that the developers had included a detailed map at this stage, which could be drawn on by the players. Rainbow Six offered this functionality over a decade ago, so there’s no technical reason not to allow gamers to draw giant cocks all over bank blueprints.

Not that having hugely detailed plans would guarantee mission success. Each level is chock full of dynamic elements that change every time you play. Vaults, cops, guards, cameras and security rooms all pop up in different places, forcing players to spend the first few minutes of a mission scoping out the scene. It’s here that the refined visibility system comes into play. Your visibility alters depending on the gear you’re wearing – if you’ve got a huge piece of body armour on with a hefty AK stuffed inside the front, civilians probably won’t think you’re a nice person, and will call the cops. However, if you stroll into the bank wearing a suit, with a small carbine hidden in your jacket, you can practically step on a guard’s toes before he’ll get narky.



Once you’ve figured out how you’re going to pull the job off, it’s time to put your mask on and head into action mode. The first two minutes will determine how the rest of the mission will go; if the four of you operate like a well-oiled murder machine, there’s a good chance you’ll bring the heist under control without the cops ever being alerted. On the other hand, if you let civilians run off or start firing your hand cannon on the open street, expect the boys in blue to arrive in minutes.

Stealth is much more viable this time around than the first game, but it’s still incredibly difficult to pull off, especially for beginners who lack many of the upgrades that can make it easier. In over 20 hours of play I’ve only successfully completed a handful of missions without the cops arriving, but it could be due to the fact that I’ve avoided any YouTube tutorials that show how to do each mission. I’d recommend the same to you - if you’re one of those strange people who enjoys the rewarding sensation of actually figuring something out for yourself, stay away from online guides.

When the shit inevitably hits the fan, the greatest improvement over the original comes into play – combat. The first game’s wonky gunplay felt light and unsatisfying, but the sequel nails it, with a much meatier, more impactful representation of a firefight. Guns feel terrific, with their excellent animations matched by brutal sound effects, and the spray of blood and ragdoll of a downed enemy never gets old. A little more destruction of the environments would have been nice, but this ain’t no $100 million Battlefield game built by 300 developers. Enemy AI is fantastic, with cops using cover effectively, and diving or rolling to get away from incoming fire. Excellent enemy spawn positioning accounts for much of the challenge, with the pigs often busting in from windows or skylights, using smoke grenades for cover. Every so often they’ll do something stupid, like not see a player standing right behind them, but for the most part the AI puts up a brave fight, especially on the higher difficulty levels.

The presentation of these firefights is a bit of a mixed bag. Most environments look fine from the outside, but their blocky designs start to fall apart indoors, where the lack of detail can be a little underwhelming. Having said that, I’m a huge graphics whore, and never felt that the game looked ugly. It’s no beautiful Battlefield 3, but then again it’s also no fugly Spec Ops: The Line. Helping to balance out the functional visuals is a totally kick ass soundscape. The music in particular is simply phenomenal, ratcheting up perfectly to match the tempo of the on-screen action. Gunshots are suitably meaty and raw, and the reverb effects change nicely depending on whether you’re inside or out.



If you’re lucky enough to complete a mission – which is actually rather hard, even on the lowest difficulty level – you’ll be awarded with cash and XP, both used on the final major improvement over the first game, customisation. Each player can now build out their character into one of four trees; the Enforcer is the walking tank, the Technician can crack safes quickly, the Mastermind helps support the team while the Ghost is a master of stealth. The armoury is suitably massive, but the upgrade system for weapon mods is kind of rubbish. Rather than simply using your cash to buy gadgets for your favourite weapons, you have to first unlock them via a random loot drop game at the end of each mission. It’s frustrating and stupid, as you can wait weeks before a silencer drops, and hopefully this system gets patched out soon, as it’s arguably the biggest complaint of the community.

There is one other major complaint at the moment, and that’s the lack of heists. There are around ten heists at launch, though some of these are spread over multiple levels. However, some of these levels are straight copies from other heists, which feels a little cheap. The good news is that the dynamic elements found on each level, along with several different difficulty modes, means that it’s possible to play a single heist dozens of times before it gets old.

When things go right and you’re walking out the vault with half a million in unmarked currency, not a cop in sight, Payday 2 is one of the most satisfying co-op games of all time. Yet even when your plans explode in a mess of buckshot and tear gas, it delivers a level of co-op excitement that is hard to find. Sure, there are a few rough edges in the form of crime.net and the weapon mod systems, and the lack of content won’t help it’s longevity. But at the end of the day this budget title delivers an experience that betters many of its full-priced competitors, and with a year’s worth of DLC in the pipeline, Payday 2 will keep your career as a criminal going for quite some time. Well, at least until somebody complains to the Classification office and gets it banned in Australia…
What we liked
  • Gunplay is vastly improved
  • Stealth is so very satisfying when accomplished
  • Huge range of weapons and mods
  • Respectable audio/visual presentation
  • Excellent enemy AI
What we didn't like
  • Crime.net interface is a crime against friendly UI design
  • Needs more heists with unique levels
  • Some idiot will probably buy it thinking it’ll be a good singleplayer game.
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We gave it:
8.0
OUT OF 10
Latest Comments
Kiminoth
Posted 04:18pm 16/8/13
Such a good game, pretty hooked atm
Enska
Posted 04:46pm 16/8/13
The Crime.net page is one of those "good idea at the time" thingys like Skyrims clusterf*** of a skilltree.
I dont bother with stealth but.
Theres absolutely no reward or acknowledgment like there was in the first, making it mostly a waste of time and cash when you can just go loud and get the f*** outta there.

Edit* - also, normal diff is s***, pro jobs on v.hard or overkill are how to make the coin and xp.
carson
Posted 04:55pm 16/8/13
It's a pretty good game. At first I didn't like it, but now it's great. Especially with friends.

Like Enska said, I think it needs some way of acknowledging that you have decided to go stealth to encourage it. Though it's a good challenge.

Crime.net is pretty bad, but it's not horrible.

My main desire is for a lot more types of hiests or at least the addition of Steam Workshop and a editor of some description for people to use to make even more levels to be played.
Mephz
Posted 05:26pm 16/8/13
This game is impossible to stealth half the jobs I swear
Trauma
Posted 05:31pm 16/8/13
My stealth reward was completing a jewelry store heist on overkill with only 2 (low level) human players. We would of been screwed if we got the cops.
copuis
Posted 06:06pm 16/8/13
It's a pretty good game. At first I didn't like it, but now it's great. Especially with friends. Like Enska said, I think it needs some way of acknowledging that you have decided to go stealth to encourage it. Though it's a good challenge.Crime.net is pretty bad, but it's not horrible. My main desire is for a lot more types of hiests or at least the addition of Steam Workshop and a editor of some description for people to use to make even more levels to be played.



really, you stealth a job more often than not the whole job is quicker, hell even a low level smash and grab, four players all timed well, and working together is quick and painless

that said, shooting the s*** outa guards is fun
carson
Posted 06:36pm 16/8/13
We have started trying to do the Framing Frame (I think it's called that) level stealth. It's quite difficult and a lot of trial and error.
Audi
Posted 07:31pm 16/8/13
NM
Trauma
Posted 03:36pm 17/8/13
We have started trying to do the Framing Frame (I think it's called that) level stealth. It's quite difficult and a lot of trial and error.

Yes we learned this over many hours.
carson
Posted 07:09am 17/8/13
Any tips Trauma?
Crakaveli
Posted 02:37pm 17/8/13
Doing the nightclub level on overkill is so easy if you have ECM to open doors and C4 to open safe. can knock that level over in under 5 minutes and get like $100,000 plus each time
Trauma
Posted 03:49pm 17/8/13
Any tips Trauma?

We blasted our way through the 1st mission, key here is to get all the objectives, not just the bare min. Did not have the skill set to handle that many guards without alarm.

The last mission is a bit annoying, at some point (I think once the first objective is done) the guard pathing changes, and becomes an issue, never got it done. Best effort was 7/8 on objective 2 after 1h 10min of stealthing about, 6 cams in play.

Doing the nightclub level on overkill is so easy if you have ECM to open doors and C4 to open safe. can knock that level over in under 5 minutes and get like $100,000 plus each time

We just hit this point and yes, super easy mode from there. I'm enforcer so I cut open the door and a mate blows the safe, jewelry store can also be knocked over like this.
copuis
Posted 04:40pm 17/8/13
man anyone else having it crash out every now and then?
Trauma
Posted 05:42pm 17/8/13
Not one crash for me. Try this.
trillion
Posted 05:59pm 17/8/13
can one be Starsky and the other Hutch? or is it more like Point Break?
copuis
Posted 07:03pm 17/8/13
that was all fine trauma, there was something that wasn't working, and with them rolling back one of the updates it is allgood now
trillion
Posted 11:19pm 17/8/13
are you betards enjoying yourselves?

the game payload is kinda hefty @ 11.6Gb. not even getting a demo look in at this one

if it had a native web player, f2p model like Quake3Arena did, it might get a wider audience of bargain hunters. Is web netcode cut out for a game (Unity engine is getting there but laggy last time i checked) as optimised for interop as native studio compiled builds though? the jury is still out on that one

digital distribution fail
Trauma
Posted 01:40pm 18/8/13
6gb install for me. Worth it imo.
carson
Posted 08:28pm 23/8/13
Latest patch today fixes a lot of exploits. No longer able to get stuff through walls, if you have cops alerted when you finish a mission another day is added where you must escape. So no longer able to grind the quick missions like Ukranian and Nightclub. This is good imo and probably pushes you to do the hiests with more emphasis on stealth/keeping the civvies in check.
Trauma
Posted 03:45pm 24/8/13
I think it's bad, they over reacted. Reduced Xp for fast mission but made them multi day unless you stealth it. Thus forcing stealth on players. Also added networking bugs, I often crash to desktop now when connecting to mates, and once connected there may be desync where the host see one thing and you see another.

Given that the game is not even half finished I think slowing it down this much and further limiting the content pool with these restrictions will hurt them. Their only focus should be adding the missing content, right after rolling this broken patch back.
Mephz
Posted 06:01am 24/8/13
Been able to stealth a few so not too worried.
Banks/Big Oil/Framing Frame/Jewellry (+ukranian)

cant do four stores its just too hard to contain
carson
Posted 03:26pm 24/8/13
I think it's bad, they over reacted. Reduced Xp for fast mission but made them multi day unless you stealth it. Thus forcing stealth on players. Also added networking bugs, I often crash to desktop now when connecting to mates, and once connected there may be desync where the host see one thing and you see another.Given that the game is not even half finished I think slowing it down this much and further limiting the content pool with these restrictions will hurt them. They're only focus should be adding the missing content, right after rolling this broken patch back.

Yeah. After a few games I'm of two minds. Initially I thought it was good, but it makes games that were quick a lot longer and harder. Especially doing them solo.
Trauma
Posted 03:53pm 24/8/13
If they wanted to stop XP farming on Ukrainian Job all they had to do was make the van leave the moment the alarm goes off and double it's return time. Nightclub is a bit harder to fix, as it's not a straight smash and grab. In the absence of any real idea there I'd say just drop it's XP.

Hating the escape mission crap, they are so boring. Could have had a few more heists if they didn't waste time on those.
D-Sub
Posted 05:57pm 24/8/13
It's not even an escape. It's a hold out against waves of mindless cannon fodder. On overkill at lvl45 it's a boring chore and I'll be giving it a little time before I return to this game.
carson
Posted 06:58pm 24/8/13
Yeah. I dunno what they were thinking.

They should have made it so you get diminishing rewards for playing the same hiest again and again maybe. But having an escape after every, goddamn, mission sucks.

There is a s*** load of backlash on the recent changes on the steam forums about the escape missions. I don't mind the fixes to looting through walls and things like that.
carson
Posted 10:47pm 24/8/13
Just played a few rounds with my friend. Turns out that farming Ukranian has shifted to farming Rats. Just blow the meth lab up in Day 1, and Blow the bus up and leave in day 3 and you get a tonne of XP and cash. Even with the escapes it takes about 15mins and you now get way more xp and cash than you would in Ukranian job.

It's still harder to farm the cards, but it's now much easier to get levels and money. I wonder how long till they patch that out though.
Trauma
Posted 07:41am 25/8/13
Yea I did a fast rats on overkill pro and got well over 100k XP. Lets see if they bog that one down too.
Enska
Posted 10:21am 25/8/13
I'm really hoping they push out some more content soon, getting over the same heists.
I'm just mostly doing Firestarters now, massive xp and money if you clear the deposit boxes on the last day. I got a $750k payday the other day.
carson
Posted 03:17pm 25/8/13
My friend and I had a level 6 join us for a very hard Rats. When we finished he was level 15. Stuck around for a few more heists and got 27 by the end.

I hope they push out more. Kinda wish they released mod tools though.
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