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Taipan
USA
4014 posts
Just picked up my brand spanking new FNX 45 Tactical from FNH USA and thought I would share it with my favourite people on the net, the lads from QGL. I took it straight down the range and put a quick 50 rounds through it and it was very very nice indeed.



as the name sugests is a .45 and a couple of the main selling points of this particular handgun are that it has a 15 rnd capacity which is huge for a .45. It also has a threaded barrel that will accept supressors (silencers) and muzzle breaks (imho it doesn't need one). It also comes with a recess on the slide ready to take a red dot sight. I am going to put a Trijicon RMR06 adjustable LED 3.25 MOA on it.

By the time I am done it'll look like this

06:28am 06/03/13 Permalink
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Internet
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06:28am 06/03/13 Permalink
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Sydney, New South Wales
21032 posts
America, f*** yeah :p

The video with silencer says $2,500 to $3,500, but that was with all the kit, what did you pay for it? If you don't mind me asking....
07:52am 06/03/13 Permalink
Wrecktim
Perth, Western Australia
828 posts
nice
07:54am 06/03/13 Permalink
d0mino
Melbourne, Victoria
5294 posts
Why?
08:50am 06/03/13 Permalink
BOOST
Brisbane, Queensland
564 posts
Are you in a state where you can just carry it around or can you only use it at the range?
09:13am 06/03/13 Permalink
sLaps_Forehead
Brisbane, Queensland
6308 posts
excellent for shooting ducks
09:17am 06/03/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13584 posts
09:18am 06/03/13 Permalink
HurricaneJim
Brisbane, Queensland
1346 posts

By the time I am done it'll look like this


What a bearded septic?
09:28am 06/03/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35287 posts
perfect for protecting young children!
09:43am 06/03/13 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
7103 posts
i woulda got a glock17 for hiphopster street cred yo! ;)

just kidding, nice pistol mate! :] 45 ammo must cost a bit though.. especially during these 'omg obamas gawna take our guns!' times :p
10:13am 06/03/13 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17877 posts
Mac10 or gtfo
10:20am 06/03/13 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19590 posts
Freedom is a warm gun. Don't let Obama ruin your country! Enjoy firing that beauty.
10:23am 06/03/13 Permalink
Monkeez
Sydney, New South Wales
185 posts
Just make sure you don't confuse your partner for an intruder.
10:26am 06/03/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13381 posts
After a really big argument.
10:27am 06/03/13 Permalink
euphoria
Gold Coast, Queensland
2085 posts
Mac10 or gtfo


Billy Covington: [Gene is loading a machine gun] Excuse me, is that an Uzi?
Gene Ryack: (glances at Babo & Billy) You know, that would make a great TV commercial? 'Excuse me, is that an Uzi?' 'Why, yes it is. Hey, self-defense is no laughing matter! That why when I want number one I pack an Uzi... accept no substitutes.'

*edit, for nostalgia:
10:33am 06/03/13 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8808 posts
Do you shot it holding it on its side?
10:44am 06/03/13 Permalink
Mass
Brisbane, Queensland
1368 posts
Do you shot it holding it on its side?

That's only when going for a kill shot....
11:02am 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4016 posts
I know I should know better than to let paveway provoke me into a response ;)

11:06am 06/03/13 Permalink
cJay
Brisbane, Queensland
1332 posts
Hahahaa nice one Taipan!
11:16am 06/03/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13585 posts
'freedom is a warm gun'

... yeh, that's enough internet for the morning I reckon >
11:17am 06/03/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35289 posts
haha, well played taipan;
11:23am 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4017 posts
The video with silencer says $2,500 to $3,500, but that was with all the kit, what did you pay for it? If you don't mind me asking....


The prices are all over the place on this handgun and just about everything else that was listen on that f***wit Feinsteins bill. The RRP for the FNX 45 Tac is around $1139 but they have been going for as much as $2,000 on gunbroker.

The Osprey supressor sells for around the $800 but you need to get aproved by the ATF ($200 tax stamp) because "silencers" are covered under the National Firearms act of 1968 (I think thats the year). So you have to hand in two sets of finger prints and the process to be approved can take as long as 9 months.

The Red Dot I will get is a Trijicon RMR06 adjustable LED with a 3.35 MOA and standard retail on that is between $550 and $650.

Why?


Because I love shooting I always have, I grew up with it so it's been a big part of my life. I intend joining the club about 20 minutes from here and getting into 3 gun competition. That will require me getting a rifle and a shotgun. I am going to jump on an FNH SCAR 17s once the prices go down but will make do with the AR 15 I have here in the house until then. For shotgun I'll use my father in laws Mossberg until I can get either a Benelli super nova or a remington 870.

That won't be the only comp I aim for either I'll run as many as I can practically take part in or afford.

Are you in a state where you can just carry it around or can you only use it at the range?


Almost all states have concealed carry permits which you have to do a course to enable you to legally carry concealed handguns. There are a ton of laws pertaining to it one example is here in Arkansas you are not allowed to have your firearm exposed and you are to avoid printing which is basically seeing a lump on your waist band that is recognisable as a gun. These rules change from state to state. Oddly enough some states allow you to open carry with no requirement for any course or training. I am not a fan of that personally. I will be doing my concealed carry permit in the next couple of weeks, all up it'll set me back about $200. I doubt I'll ever carry because it's a very personal thing with me and I have problems with certain aspects of it. I am more interested in learning the legalities and using the training as a source of personal information.

excellent for shooting ducks


I have a Mossberg or a Browning for that and ducks are hard enough to hit with a shotgun let alone a .45 handgun :P

just kidding, nice pistol mate! :] 45 ammo must cost a bit though.. especially during these 'omg obamas gawna take our guns!' times :p


Oh god mate you have no frigging idea lol, it crazy as s*** over here atm. I went into 3 stores today and managed to get one box of target .45 and it cost me $30 for 50 rounds and that was a bargin. Most places are jacking their prices threw the frigging roof. A great example is the SCAR 17s I want, usual retail is between $2800 and $3000 however they have now jumped to as much as $5000. I have also seen the same ammo I bought today going for double the price in some places, it's insane.

Just a thought for you all, if you want to stimulate the economy over here just talk about a gan ban. This lastest rush on firearms has by all accounts been the biggest rush on guns and ammo in US history. SOme manufacturers have actually stopped taking orders as they already have more than 12 months worth of back orders to fill.

Mac10 or gtfo


Hope my response wasn't to lame mate I am not really much chop on videos :P


Freedom is a warm gun. Don't let Obama ruin your country! Enjoy firing that beauty


It is very very nice and kicks about as much as some 9mm I have used in the past. It's a shame I am here actually infi because I'd love nothing more than a range day with a few of the boys from QGL that don't usually get the chance. Id actually really like to get a few of the haters to come down and have a good look at the sport and get them involved.

Anyway next on the list is
FN SCAR 17s
H&K P30 or P30 LEM (these handguns go for about $950 and are stunning and incredibly well made inmho, I would of got one instead of the FNX had I been able to fit a red dot to it)
11:35am 06/03/13 Permalink
JakeG
Thailand
1169 posts
11:47am 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4018 posts
That looks like a USP jake, actually looking at the Safety it's definately a H&K.
11:55am 06/03/13 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
7226 posts

what's what, paveway? mac 10? ok

outstanding
11:57am 06/03/13 Permalink
BOOST
Brisbane, Queensland
565 posts
Are there any situations where a silencer is actually a useful thing to have for a civilian? Are there ranges where only silencers are allowed because of noise restrictions?
12:25pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Monkeez
Sydney, New South Wales
186 posts
Are there any situations where a silencer is actually a useful thing to have for a civilian? Are there ranges where only silencers are allowed because of noise restrictions?

I suppose they'd be handy if you wanted to murder someone?
12:27pm 06/03/13 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2971 posts
I don't think you can fit a grenade launcher attachment on that.
12:29pm 06/03/13 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19594 posts
It's a shame I am here actually infi because I'd love nothing more than a range day with a few of the boys from QGL that don't usually get the chance. Id actually really like to get a few of the haters to come down and have a good look at the sport and get them involved.


now that i have a bigger house i am looking at getting into shooting because I can properly store a gun safe. i am going to go to one of those beginner days at Belmont and try a variety of firearms, but let's be honest for apocalypse survival you can't go past a shotgun.
12:34pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4019 posts
Are there any situations where a silencer is actually a useful thing to have for a civilian? Are there ranges where only silencers are allowed because of noise restrictions?


For me its about being able to be a considerate firearm owner/user and not piss off the people next door when I am plinking in the backyard. I live on 5 acres here and we have a little range of sorts which is great but the noise can easily get ridiculous if you don't make an effort to keep a lid on things.
12:37pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7730 posts
Yeah, gotta be able to 'protect the kids' while not waking them up.
12:46pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Reverend Evil™
Wynnum, Queensland
21256 posts
That's a nice little setup there Taipan. Love how it all sits neatly in the case.
01:19pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4020 posts
Mate the case is sweet and something of a rarity these days even with the top end handguns. Most of them come in really basic plastic boxes which is a bit of a shame, mind you if it saves you a few bucks on the price it's ok I guess.
01:26pm 06/03/13 Permalink
stinky
USA
3756 posts
I have a Mossberg or a Browning for that and ducks are hard enough to hit with a shotgun


What models? I'm thinking of getting a Bernelli Supernova for the same purpose. I love the sound of the pump action, but I also really enjoyed the simplicity of over-unders so I'm still not totally decided.


Also ... Rumour is these guys are opening a store here in Austin ... for all your silencer needs - http://www.silencershop.com/
01:38pm 06/03/13 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17879 posts
yeah nice

sounds like you fit right in with america
01:56pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4021 posts
What models? I'm thinking of getting a Bernelli Supernova for the same purpose. I love the sound of the pump action, but I also really enjoyed the simplicity of over-unders so I'm still not totally decided.


The Mossberg is an 835 Ulti Mag which is really for hunting turkey (12 gauge)
The Browning is an A5 which is semi auto and has pretty much been used for everything and anything in its 100 year production run. (12 gauge)

I use the Mossberg for ducks and my father in law uses the Browning, he is getting old so using the pump action pisses him off :). I have knocked over a couple of coyotes with the Mossberg at a range of about 30 meters so it can be pretty badass.
02:31pm 06/03/13 Permalink
HurricaneJim
Brisbane, Queensland
1347 posts
Well Taipan it's way to heavy for target shooting, 953g is a lot to wave around. Where something like the Glock 21SF is only 745g or even a Glock 36 which is some 570g and is slimline for that concealed carry. Ok both carry less rounds but if you don't hit with the first two you aren't going to with the next 12.
03:29pm 06/03/13 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19597 posts
All 5 Diehard movies disagree with you.^
03:31pm 06/03/13 Permalink
HurricaneJim
Brisbane, Queensland
1348 posts
All 5 Diehard movies disagree with you.^


I hope you go to Belmont with that attitude...
03:39pm 06/03/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
85 posts
There is simply no legitimate reason to have these kinds of firearms.

And no "EEERRR MEEER GEEED ITS COOL" is not a legitimate reason.
03:41pm 06/03/13 Permalink
orbitor
Brisbane, Queensland
8939 posts
There is simply no legitimate reason to have these kinds of firearms.And no "EEERRR MEEER GEEED ITS COOL" is not a legitimate reason.


yep, but I guess it's like saying noone has a legitimate reason for having an 800hp car. Some people just want them. I'm fine with it provided it's all regulated carefully (not saying it is in the US!).
03:45pm 06/03/13 Permalink
arkter
Gold Coast, Queensland
1244 posts
It's amazing how much hate is aimed at these tiny little machines. It's almost like they commit the crimes themselves.
03:45pm 06/03/13 Permalink
DecayingCorpse
Brisbane, Queensland
2136 posts
There is simply no legitimate reason to have these kinds of firearms.

at least its not an assault rifle...
03:48pm 06/03/13 Permalink
d0mino
Melbourne, Victoria
5295 posts
Taipan you have served in the military right? or am I thinking of someone else?
03:59pm 06/03/13 Permalink
HurricaneJim
Brisbane, Queensland
1349 posts
There is simply no legitimate reason to have these kinds of firearms.


In Merica there is, 310 million people and 311 million firearms. Not having one there would put you at a disadvantage. Quite frankly if the Mericans want to shoot each other its fine with me. Don't bring it over here.

at least its not an assault rifle...


MAC-10 is a sub-machine gun 1,000 plus rounds per minute. Good for clearing school rooms. Definitely not a weapon for hunting or target shooting, MAC-10 is a people killer.

Taipan you have served in the military right? or am I thinking of someone else?


He was in Artillery.
04:04pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4022 posts
Are you uptight little b****** going to go on your little whine about waaaah guns waaah the media brain washed me waaah irrational fear waaaah. Seriously guys get the f*** over yourself. You don't care because it's of no interest to you .. ok I get it now move along. You want the world rid of them because you don't like them so f*** anyone who does.... ok I get it.

Heres the thing you don't like these things in the hands of other people because you don't feel anyone is reasonably worthy of posessing them. In saying that about everyone in general you are including yourself so pretty much saying you don't feel responsible enough to posess them. That being the case you aren't responsible enough to have a valid opinion on the matter either, because you are clearly incapable of seperating your emotional bulls*** from fact that decent law abiding people don't go around killing people.

Me personally would never do anything with my firearms that would risk my lawful ownerships of them. Furthermore I wouldn't judge any firearm owner to be any worse than myself given that I know how serious they take safety and education.

The truth here isn't that this is about the gun owners it's about the non gun owners that simply know jack s*** about the sport which makes them oh so very easy to scare. They typically don't know s*** about the people involved in the sport and the culture in general that is ingrained in the sporting community which is one of safety, education and respect for the tools of the trade so to speak. Learn this stuff understand it then form an opinon and if you can't do at least that much your thoughts are worthless.

BTw Jim it is heavy yes but my primary interest is going to based around Military style comps. Other than that I'll have to see which way I head although as I mentioned I have a huge soft spot for the HK P30 ... very very nice.
04:14pm 06/03/13 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19601 posts
I hope you go to Belmont with that attitude...


crikey, take a joke....
04:17pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4023 posts
Yeah started in Infantry then f***ed up my back and end up in Arty before moving into proof and experimental testing (big name for testing ammo and every kind of big gun the aussie army has).

if you are wondering if I do this because I have had a long standing interest in any and all kinds of shooting yes I have. I have lived the sport for most of my life and even had an involvement with past employment being the Army.

04:22pm 06/03/13 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10844 posts
The bit that is a worry is that this isn't something he pretends to need, he makes no illusion about the fact that owning and firing multiple firearms is purely for fun. That fun could easily turn into an irresponsible accident.

It's just like driving. If someone actually enjoys it, they'll be the d******* doing burnouts and drag racing.

No matter what they say about being a responsible car owner, the truth is that if they're posting threads about their car on QGL, they're being a d*** on the road.

Yeah sid wahz maen
04:29pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4024 posts
MAC-10 is a sub-machine gun 1,000 plus rounds per minute. Good for clearing school rooms. Definitely not a weapon for hunting or target shooting, MAC-10 is a people killer.


To be totally honest the Mac 10 is a piece of useless junk. I defy anyone to hit a target more than 40 feet away with any kind of regularity. The only time one of these things would garentee any kind of success rate is if you are shooting fish in a barrel. It is pretty damn unwieldy and you simply can't control it or the rate of fire with any real accuracy. Trigger manipulation is f*****g horrid making it very easy to burn through a 30 rnd mag in about two seconds before you really get on target. It's kind of like spraying an extremely high pressure hose thats turned on suddenly for two seconds then instantly shut off.

Seriously if you were to be attacked by someone you might hope they have one of these as there weapon of choice. I'd rather face a Mac 10 than a person with a stock standard shotgun.
04:29pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4025 posts
That fun could easily turn into an irresponsible accident.


Dude don't project your own inadequacies and insecurities on to me.

Actually you have to be trolling because I gave you more credit than to be that stupid. Btw the car analogy was weak to say the least and to top it off it's pretty clear you haven't actually been reading anything I have previously said on the matter.
04:36pm 06/03/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22378 posts
I used to think owning a gun like this was stupid, and if the reason for owning it is 'home defence' then I still think it's stupid.

If you like target shooting and/or just collecting them for fun though, who am I to judge? I get the feeling you're a pretty responsible dude with your guns Taipan so... nice gun!
04:47pm 06/03/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
86 posts
Are you uptight little b****** going to go on your little whine about waaaah guns waaah the media brain washed me waaah irrational fear waaaah. Seriously guys get the f*** over yourself. You don't care because it's of no interest to you .. ok I get it now move along. You want the world rid of them because you don't like them so f*** anyone who does.... ok I get it.


There is nothing irrational about being against firearms that were made with the military in mind that are designed SOLELY to kill other people. I don't need the media to "brain wash" me to realize the fact that gun crime in America is rampant and its thanks to these kinds of firearms.

Don't give us the whole "OH, YOU JUST DONT LIKE GUNS, THATS WHY YOU ARE AGAINST THEM HERP DERPPPPPP" i am a firearm owner myself and i go recreational shooting.

Weapons designed for the military have no legitimate reason to be in the hands of the average joe. It's the typical 'MERICA attitude. "OH YOU MUSN'T BE A FIREARMS OWNER, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING" what a load of crap, i guess you have been converted to the 'MERICA religion.

Enjoy your high gun crime. Enjoy spinning the roulette wheel each time you go to a shopping centre or a school.

'MERICAAAAAAA YEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
04:48pm 06/03/13 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10845 posts
OK you pick something people do for fun where they have some instrument of danger, and where no accidents have happened in that thing, and nobody else has ever taken that instrument and used it improperly outside of the fun. I thought a car was a pretty good analogy for a gun, they can both cause injuries/death and they're both things that rednecks find entertaining, pretty spot on.
I don't think the problem here is the analogy, is it....


There is no need for an analogy, I was just trying to be nice and subtle. Plenty of people have died and will die because of people like you. The sad part the most likely people to die because of you are your family.
04:58pm 06/03/13 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8809 posts
05:01pm 06/03/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
88 posts
OK you pick something people do for fun where they have some instrument of danger, and where no accidents have happened in that thing, and nobody else has ever taken that instrument and used it improperly outside of the fun. I thought a car was a pretty good analogy for a gun, they can both cause injuries/death and they're both things that rednecks find entertaining, pretty spot on.I don't think the problem here is the analogy, is it....There is no need for an analogy, I was just trying to be nice and subtle. Plenty of people have died and will die because of people like you. The sad part the most likely people to die because of you are your family.


But you are missing 1 point. Guns are used day in and day out to kill people in America, and not just a couple of people. The problem is MASSIVE so you can't really use that analogy.
05:46pm 06/03/13 Permalink
arkter
Gold Coast, Queensland
1245 posts
But you are missing 1 point. Guns are used day in and day out to kill people


So were rocks, swords and bows, for the last xxxxx thousand years. People are the problem.

Take away every gun in the world and I promise you we would find some way to kill ourselves just as frequently.
06:53pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4026 posts
If you like target shooting and/or just collecting them for fun though, who am I to judge? I get the feeling you're a pretty responsible dude with your guns Taipan so... nice gun!


Thanks for understanding that much fpot. There is so much bulls*** on both sides of this topic trying to actually get something workable and fair happening is an incredibly difficult task. On a personal level I feel a burden of responsibility to protect the sport by ensuring I do everything humanly possible correctly. Safety and education are key parts and without those things you can't learn the respect for firearms that they deserve. I will train where ever and when ever I can to make sure my awareness is up to speed. That conceal carry course I mentioned, I have serious serious doubts about carrying (personally) however just because I don't want to myself doesn't mean I shouldn't learn what I can about the requirements, safety consideration and legal aspects.

The biggest problem in this whole situation is that neither side wants to meet in the middle somewhere. Pro gun people are very very aware that anti gun people only have one goal and that is the complete and utter removal of firearms from public hands. YOu simply can't reach a compromise or negotiate with people that wont settle until you have nothing left. So the pro gun people simply won't budge on anything because they know that an inch given today won't satisfy them and it'll become 2 inches tomorrow then 3 the day after and so on and so on. Pro gun people would actually negotiate if they knew without any doubt there would be a point where anti gun people would stop that still left pro gunners with something worth having. Thats sinply not going to happen though and we all know it.
06:55pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4027 posts
Enjoy spinning the roulette wheel each time you go to a shopping centre or a school.


The fact you actually thought to say something like this shows just how far down the media drone trail of irrantionality you are. From this point on you have nothing to offer of any worth and the juvenile statements you make like this just serve to highlight just how stupid this arguement gets at your end of the spectrum.

Don't bother responding dude because I won't be reading anything from you are your troll like 86 post account. Go have a cry on Piers Morgans sholder he'll have a stock of tissues to share with you.

/sigh man is it any wonder this problem is never likely to improve.
07:09pm 06/03/13 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
7227 posts
http://i.imgur.com/MhjuvE1.jpg
teddy roosevelt says YES
07:18pm 06/03/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
89 posts
So were rocks, swords and bows, for the last xxxxx thousand years. People are the problem.Take away every gun in the world and I promise you we would find some way to kill ourselves just as frequently.


Are rocks,swords and bows a major problem today? No. Guns are.
07:21pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Bah
Brisbane, Queensland
4898 posts
Take away every gun in the world and I promise you we would find some way to kill ourselves just as frequently.
Um the reason we use guns is because they are better at killing than the things we used before, if we found your magical weapon of +1 killing then yes we could take away all the guns because no one would use them anymore.
Pro gun people would actually negotiate if they knew without any doubt there would be a point where anti gun people would stop that still left pro gunners with something worth having.
Zero gun deaths would be the point theyd stop id say?
07:25pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4028 posts
Zero gun deaths would be the point theyd stop id say?


bah seriously how naive are you? Do you really believe that bulls*** because if you do you really need to reevaluate your understanding of how the word works. You know that mexico has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the world don't you, any idea how that might be working out for them?

07:50pm 06/03/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22381 posts
Zero gun deaths is an unachievable target unless you could magically poof all guns out of existence plus the knowledge of how to make more.

My personal opinion if you want to own a gun: you'd have to put up with random unannounced police checks that could occur at any reasonable time (like, not midnight) where they come in to your home and check to see that the guns you own are legal, are secured correctly and that you are complying with whatever gun regulations are in place. That may sound extreme and invasive, but guns are serious business and REGULATIONS like that are kind of necessary I think. I am only making this suggestion for Australia per our current gun laws. I know there is know way anything like that could be implemented in the states because they are literally bat-s*** crazy about their guns over there.
08:01pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35292 posts
im happy that i live in australia where its reasonably difficult to get guns that can easily kill lots of people.

i shot a heap of guns growing up, it was fun, but i dont see the need to have a gun now, as i like my children alive.
08:18pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4029 posts
thats about the size of it fpot. The problem with inspections ect to check if people are complying with the laws is that it opens a can or worms with other rights/laws such as the right to be protected from illegal search and seizure. The attitude here is that if there is no suspision of wrong doing then no one should have any right to subject you to any kind of search. So by trying to tighten up on some areas you get tangled up with other areas and it gets really messy and really pisses a heap of people off.

08:20pm 06/03/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22383 posts
Yep I know and what I suggested is probably a little extreme but I am sure some compromise could be made.

I reckon psychological screening and stuff before you can purchase would be good as well. Does that happen anywhere?

Of course, this doesn't really do much about criminals owning guns illegally. I reckon the best way you can combat that is by restricting the amount of guns out in the wild, and possibly by extremely harsh penalties for crimes committed using an unregistered firearm.
08:26pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Bah
Brisbane, Queensland
4899 posts
bah seriously how naive are you?
About as naive as you are thinking i was putting it out there seriously.
Do you really believe that bulls*** because if you do you really need to reevaluate your understanding of how the word works.
Wait do you seriously think if there was zero gun violence, then the anti gun lobby would still be a thing normal people would pay attention to?
08:39pm 06/03/13 Permalink
arkter
Gold Coast, Queensland
1246 posts
Are rocks,swords and bows a major problem today? No. Guns are.
Um the reason we use guns is because they are better at killing than the things we used before, if we found your magical weapon of +1 killing then yes we could take away all the guns because no one would use them anymore.
http://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-trolling-or-just-really-stupid.jpg
08:56pm 06/03/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
90 posts
The fact you actually thought to say something like this shows just how far down the media drone trail of irrantionality you are. From this point on you have nothing to offer of any worth and the juvenile statements you make like this just serve to highlight just how stupid this arguement gets at your end of the spectrum.


Well it's true. You never know when another f##k wit will use his legally owned assault weapon to go on another rampage, at the moment its occurring almost hourly in that country.

Don't bother responding dude because I won't be reading anything from you are your troll like 86 post account. Go have a cry on Piers Morgans sholder he'll have a stock of tissues to share with you.


So i'm a troll because i am a new member tot his forum and im against the average joe having assault weapons for no legitimate reason? Who's being irrational again?
09:00pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4030 posts
bah you are missing the point, there would never be zero gun deaths. It simply isn't going to happen no matter how tough you make laws criminals keep proving time and time again that they just don't give a f*** about the law. Its a novel concept I know but not to hard to grasp.

You know chicago actually has a total ban on handguns yet still has a f*** ton of shooting particularly amongst kids. Of course pro gun people point to the failure of gun control and anit gunners scream and cry about this idealistic island of hope drowning surrounded by a sea of states with guns.

So lets just say the anti gunners are right, so what happens the day all firearms are banned from the US? Lets just say the mexican drug runners will have another cash cow flooding the US with illegal guns. The net result will be no fewer deaths than there was before but a much higher proportion of the people posessing guns being criminals.


Heres a thing for you to think about purely from the crime side of things. PROHIBITION DOES NOT WORK it never has and it never will and it's been proven time after time after time after time. All it has ever done is creat a market for criminals to make a buck off. Make all the f*****g laws you want it won't change s*** particularly when you consider that the fire arm murder rate in the US is already totally padded out with criminals going about the business of being criminals and killing people.

You know what f*** this, I started this thread to share something i do for a sport with the community here. If you don't like guns because you are a brainless drone b**** fine don't read this s*** and f*** off to another thread to your liking. This isn't a political thread or a post mass murder thread you f*****s love to salivate over it's a sporting thread. You know every time there is a mass shooting I can hear an audible woot from the anti gunners and it shows through in their behaviour and it's f*****g sickening.

For those of you with a rational and genuine interest in the sport I am sorry this degenerated into a typically retarded QGL thread full of self rightous yet ignorant cluess tw@ts. The word gun has a similar effect on them as a bell does on pavlov's dog, its pathetic.
09:39pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9951 posts
lol ... guns

The 2nd amendment is proof Americans can't read.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,".

That is well over 1/2 of the statement. but what do dumb red necks see ?

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms".

Strangely we model our nation after theirs. It is the only way you can explain us picking Spanish as a tier 1 language in the national curriculum.

http://ninjalawncare.biz/sensorycue/right2barms/right2bear arms2.jpg
The US empire lasted significantly fewer years then the British.
When do we recognize it ?

09:46pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Bromby
156 posts
I'm gonna be in the states from the 15th of April till 8th of May. Love to hit a range day up. Where abouts in th US are you Taipan?
10:16pm 06/03/13 Permalink
arkter
Gold Coast, Queensland
1247 posts
The US empire lasted significantly fewer years then the British.
When do we recognize it ?


Faceman says what?
10:18pm 06/03/13 Permalink
kos
Germany
2571 posts
10:21pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Bah
Brisbane, Queensland
4900 posts
bah you are missing the point, there would never be zero gun deaths.
Well duh.
You assume i don't like guns, i was just pointing out what i thought was stupid arguments.

You seemed to be saying that the anti gun lobby wouldn't stop until no one had any guns, whereas i think they care more about the violence that guns cause (and yes duh guns dont kill people), just a subtle distinction in points of view, which makes quite a bit of difference to the debate.
10:35pm 06/03/13 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19604 posts
I love it that Americans give a s*** about their guns. Aussies don't give a s*** about anything, except public holidays.
10:50pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7391 posts
A lot of Australians care about guns, for example not being stupid enough to repeat America's mistake here, deaths for the sake of some ideological wanking.

I'm guessing that you objected to your hero Johnny Howard's involvement in the war in Iraq to prevent terrorists getting their hands on WMDs, since tools designed to kill people aren't actually the important factor in the killing of people, according to the gun-masturbating types, and people will always find another way, making it pointless to go after nukes, because they still have knives and spears.
11:05pm 06/03/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
91 posts
bah you are missing the point, there would never be zero gun deaths. It simply isn't going to happen no matter how tough you make laws criminals keep proving time and time again that they just don't give a f*** about the law. Its a novel concept I know but not to hard to grasp.


Having zero gun deaths isn't the aim. Imagine if gun crime reduced 60% in the U.S like it did in Australia? Wouldn't that be like 10,000 less incidents per year or higher? Considering how high gun crime actually is in the U.S

This is what you and other people are missing when you make your "Well other people can die by this other way" analogies, gun crime is RIDICULOUSLY high in the U.S. It isn't just a once off occasional thing.
11:10pm 06/03/13 Permalink
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
3960 posts
Your safety sucks. You pulled the trigger in the OP without first clearing the weapon. Bad ex AJ.
11:17pm 06/03/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22385 posts
infi is one of those 'we need guns in case an uprise against the government is necessary' types.

Because a bunch of untrained forum posters are going to do well against a trained military with tanks, planes and ships with their civilian grade pistols and rifles.
11:18pm 06/03/13 Permalink
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Sydney, New South Wales
21035 posts
From here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

In 2010 there were 358 murders involving rifles. Murders involving the use of handguns in the US that same year totaled 6,009, with another 1,939 murders with the firearm type unreported.
In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 66.9% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[5] There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[6] Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides. In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicide deaths, and 11,078 firearm-related homicide deaths in the United States
11:19pm 06/03/13 Permalink
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Sydney, New South Wales
21036 posts
11:21pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5760 posts
Go have a cry on Piers Morgans sholder he'll have a stock of tissues to share with you.

Haha, gotta love the irony of an Englishman telling the Yanks they shouldn't have so many guns.
You go for it Piers, but seriously, any credible argument for de-arming the USA isn't likely to come from a limey.
11:22pm 06/03/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7392 posts
That's like discounting a white guy for suggesting that a rabid fear of slavery isn't really relevant in the west any more... Because, ancient history is totally the world that we live in right now.
11:46pm 06/03/13 Permalink
HurricaneJim
Brisbane, Queensland
1351 posts
BTw Jim it is heavy yes but my primary interest is going to based around Military style comps. Other than that I'll have to see which way I head although as I mentioned I have a huge soft spot for the HK P30 ... very very nice.


Well the P30 is a Police weapon more than military. Although I can see why you've got the FNX 45 Tactical because of the JCP which is now defunct. You might want to consider the HK45C because it is very much like the P30.

The Glock 17 I used at AASAAM 92 convinced me to continue with them. I now use a 17C because of regulations, longer barrel and 10 round mag. I'm regularly out at QPPC weekdays and weekends.
01:09am 07/03/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
93 posts
infi is one of those 'we need guns in case an uprise against the government is necessary' types.Because a bunch of untrained forum posters are going to do well against a trained military with tanks, planes and ships with their civilian grade pistols and rifles.


I must hand it to infi, he does stick to his gun even if he is trying to mimic American conservatives.

F*** allowing people to have assault weapons.
01:43am 07/03/13 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5761 posts
That's like discounting a white guy for suggesting that a rabid fear of slavery isn't really relevant in the west any more... Because, ancient history is totally the world that we live in right now.


Uhh, yeah, ok. It sure is like that thing you just said. :P
02:41am 07/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4031 posts
Your safety sucks. You pulled the trigger in the OP without first clearing the weapon. Bad ex AJ


Watch it again mate I didn't touch the trigger my finger was well on the other side of it. I used the dec***er which is on the safety to drop the hammer. It's a perfectly safe operation which the gun is designed to do. Just so you know I don't store my firearms loaded and I already been handling the gun prior to starting the video so it had been cleared. I have a feeling you knew all this anyway but I thought I'd clarify anyway.

Well the P30 is a Police weapon more than military. Although I can see why you've got the FNX 45 Tactical because of the JCP which is now defunct. You might want to consider the HK45C because it is very much like the P30.


I have to be completely honest here and say that my interest in the P30 as a handgun lays more in the fact that is such a nicely made gun. I know that there are more practical options particularly in reguards to price but I am just very very impressed with it. I don't think I have ever held a gun that fit my hand more perfectly than the P30.

As for the glock, well lets just say I am not a glock kind of guy. I am all to well aware of how good they are, you'd have to be completely blind not to recognise the value for money you get with a glock. For me I guess it's almost a ford v holden thing and I am an FN guy because of my time carting around my SLR. My prior interest in FN has always been in rifles but recently I've become more interested in their handguns. My choice in reality came down to a couple of things the FN had that most other handguns dont (ready to take a red dot) and for the lack of a better way of saying it a choice between football teams.

I actually used to shoot kind of on a social basis down at Belmont HJim with some of the guys from work. I think only one of us used to compete because our shift work pretty much kept all of us out of our respective sports. The only organised shooting I have ever really done was as a kid with my Dad although I used to shoot very regularly and have done through out my life. Thats one of the reason I want to get into every kind of comp possible here because there is so much opportunity for it here and I am very much looking forward to it.
08:23am 07/03/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13592 posts
I don't understand the fascination with owning lots of firearms. I won't keep lethal weapons in my house because we have small children and every safety precaution aside, the best way to prevent an accidental shooting death in the family is to have no guns in the family.

I'm halfway through this life and have experienced exactly zero situations that would have been improved if I had quick access to a gun, and I don't expect that to change. I've also mucked about on the range a few times with loaner rifles etc and its fun, I just see no reason to need to personally own weapons.

There's lots of odd things people do that doesn't affect me though. I'm pretty happy with our ownership laws in Australia, you have to 100% commit to safely owning a weapon. The only thing I would add (if it doesn't already exist) is personal responsibility over what happens with your weapons - if you f*** up and your dumbarse sprog shoots someone then you're in a lot of trouble.
09:07am 07/03/13 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6424 posts
a gun.. WHOOP-D-F*****-DOO!!

Looking at guns in magazines, photos, videos well in any form is boring as bats***.
09:29am 07/03/13 Permalink
Nitro
Gold Coast, Queensland
2262 posts
Gun ownership thread on QGL = Gasoline on a fire
09:55am 07/03/13 Permalink
Monkeez
Sydney, New South Wales
187 posts
Gun ownership in the USA = Gasoline on a fire

Fixed.
10:11am 07/03/13 Permalink
sLaps_Forehead
Brisbane, Queensland
6309 posts
11:31pm 07/03/13 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
8166 posts
Just caught this thread, thought the "mac 10...ok" was lol

Just remember peeps, not everyone who owns a weapon or collects them is a nutbag.
More people in Australia die from car accidents than weapons.
11:46pm 07/03/13 Permalink
Insom
Canada
4213 posts
Just a thought for you all, if you want to stimulate the economy over here just talk about a gan ban. This lastest rush on firearms has by all accounts been the biggest rush on guns and ammo in US history.

how is that? do people really think their guns will be any less illegal because they already bought them?
05:18am 08/03/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22394 posts
well the gubbernment will have to come and get mah gunz! is their line of thinking.
05:45am 08/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4032 posts
how is that? do people really think their guns will be any less illegal because they already bought them?


Their guns won't be illegal at all actually since all guns currently owned by legally will be grandfathered in. However you will never be able to transfer their ownership by selling them or handing them on to family in a will ect. So any gun ban will actually not reduce the number of existing firearms in the community.

Probably helps to know a little bit about the issue before commenting on it.

well the gubbernment will have to come and get mah gunz! is their line of thinking.


This is one of those things I mentioned the other day fpot in reguards to this issue having a number of facets that spill over into other areas. Confiscation of property by the government is a huge no no here and it's something I believe people are protected from in the constitution. The thought process being that if they can just change the law when they see fit and start taking guns whats next? This of course causes people on both sides of politics to bork at such an option because it could open other things to similar treatment.

Confiscation is one of if not the biggest reason people fight so hard against registration. The feeling being that once they know who has them they wait till a later date to just change the laws again and go around knocking on doors asking people to hand them over. I personally like the idea of registration but only if there is an absolute garentee that information won't be used to confiscate my property. I have seen enough while I have been here to know that people would go to the worst kind of extreme lengths to fight against or at least resist what they see as tyranny. I don't have an opinion on how right or wrong it is I just know any step down that path is not going to work out well for anyone.

I'll tell you straight up that if they even tried to mention confiscation in with this ban it would get crushed instantly when the bill was introduced. Republicans would never go for it and a sizable chunk of democrats wouldn't either. So grandfathering in existing firearms is the only option that would even give a gun ban bill a chance of making it. Even a whisper of confiscation is enough to completely undermine any gun control bill.

Its almost a completely unworkable situation because most Americans don't trust the government for a start and no Americans trust nutjobs like the anitgunners because they are like evangelical christians and simply can't be talked to. So it makes a sit down in good faith style negotiation pretty much impossible so the pro gunners dig their heels in and fight.
07:19am 08/03/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13388 posts
Damn it, if only Taipan was in Queen Street Mall this morning!
12:45pm 08/03/13 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10858 posts
Toll, you don't understand the sport, that guy in Queen St is an athlete.
12:58pm 08/03/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13604 posts
Probably helps to know a little bit about the issue before commenting on it.
...
This is one of those things I mentioned the other day fpot in reguards to this issue having a number of facets that spill over into other areas. Confiscation of property by the government is a huge no no here and it's something I believe people are protected from in the constitution.

What? Citation thanks, at face value that looks like a really dopey remark.

One of any Government's core powers is the seizure of citizen's property according to legislated executive authority. Or is cannabis not property but guns are? Is MONEY not your property? See how long you keep your house if you don't pay your taxes, lol.
01:35pm 08/03/13 Permalink
BOHEMION
Brisbane, Queensland
584 posts
Nice! G34 Shooter signing in here! Have you shot it in practical (IPSC) shoots yet? How does it holster and draw with those massive sights?
02:29pm 08/03/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13389 posts
I must say, shooting stuff is fun. I recently went out with a few friends and fired a few rifles for the first time. A couple .22's, .223, .308 and a shotgun. The lever action .22 was the most fun, it wasn't scoped though. That 308 though, holy crap did it kick. The .22's barely move, so easy to aim.
03:37pm 08/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4033 posts
Nice! G34 Shooter signing in here! Have you shot it in practical (IPSC) shoots yet? How does it holster and draw with those massive sights?


Nice. My father in law has a Glock 21 and I gave it a good look over before I bought my FN. As I mentioned before I have no good reason not to have a Glock except for a holden v ford personal bias. Glocks history is pretty damn amazing given the reception it first got plus all the hysteria over being a disaster waiting to happen because it was "invisible" to metal detectors lol. I believe these days it is the most widely used handgun on the planet and for pretty good reason. It's reliability alone puts it right at the front of the pack and I know of some personally that have aparently had 25,000 rounds pomped through them and are still going strong.

As for comps. Well my nearest club which just so happens to be one of the best clubs in the state holds IDPA, USPSA, Steel Challenge and Multi gun. I actually hope to take part in all of those to get a feel for things. I am not sure if USPSA is more or less the same as IPSC although with a US governing body, I think it might be.

I haven't gotten all the bits and pieces as yet (holster ect) because I want to go check out the club first to get s feel for what standards are expected. I know that all equipment has to be approved by the sports governing body so I'll hold off till I get to speak to the people there. My understanding though is that the sights don't cause any trouble because most people use kydex holsters and being rigid means they don't get caught up.

I must say, shooting stuff is fun. I recently went out with a few friends and fired a few rifles for the first time. A couple .22's, .223, .308 and a shotgun. The lever action .22 was the most fun, it wasn't scoped though. That 308 though, holy crap did it kick. The .22's barely move, so easy to aim.


It is a great sport and a very social one aswell. I have a soft spot for .308's (7.62 x 51) due to my time in the Army. One day I'll get around to getting one and likely use it for hunting. My personal opinion of that round is that it's the best round there is if you were forced to pick the magical round that does everything. Of course there really isn't any such thing as the perfect all round calibre but the 7.62x51 comes closer to it than anything else.

Hogfather I do have an answer for you but I am a little short on time. I won't go into it in heaps of detail other than to say that changing laws in order to attack rights granted by the constitution is never going to go down well here. The 2nd Amendment protects firearm ownership, attacking this would be seen by many Americans as unlawfull when all government officials swear and oath to protect the constitution.

Wheather right or wrong the constitution is held by most Americans as the cornerstone on which the entire country is built. To attack it or change it in anyway is treated by many as an act of treason, thats how seriously people here take it.

There is more going on here than just that though with things like the 4th Amendment and other s*** like probable cause ect when it comes to search and seizures. I am not an expert on constitutional law far from it all I do know is that there is more than just a couple easily changed laws to consider some are as deeply enshrined in this country as you can get.
07:04pm 08/03/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13613 posts
I'm aware of the 2nd amendment and some American's love affair with guns, that's a long way from what you said in your earlier post.
07:06pm 08/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4034 posts
BTw Hoggy pot was never protected by the constitution so thats are poor example and really nothing at all like trying to change laws to do with guns.
07:07pm 08/03/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13614 posts
BTw Hoggy pot was never protected by the constitution so thats are poor example and really nothing at all like trying to change laws to do with guns.

That's the point. You said:
Confiscation of property by the government is a huge no no here and it's something I believe people are protected from in the constitution. The thought process being that if they can just change the law when they see fit and start taking guns whats next? This of course causes people on both sides of politics to bork at such an option because it could open other things to similar treatment.

You are talking generally about property rights, not specifically about guns. The slippery slope argument you present to 'other things' being confiscated is facile because 'other things' are not constutionally protected and they can legislate your rights away to a sandwich if they choose to.

The 2nd amendment is about maintaining a militia and has absolutely nothing to do with wider citizen's property rights.
07:24pm 08/03/13 Permalink
Peeka
Melbourne, Victoria
357 posts
Nice 45
07:29pm 08/03/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3800 posts
pistol is for house protection thats a legitimate reason



I have obese nudity to protect my house,
07:30pm 08/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4035 posts
BOHEMION USPSA is just the US branch of it as I just read so thats good to know. Thought I'd include a couple of videos of what I hope to be doing.



Guy in this one mentions that he estimates about 4.5 billion rounds have been fired at this competition over the years and there has only been one incident. A guy grazed his finger with a shot.



Its a sport for everyone

07:36pm 08/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4036 posts
Hoggy the attitude from most people is (I'll put this as simply as I can) if they can come for something that is protected by the most important document in the nation then nothing is safe. Physically coming after guns to most peoples minds would infringe on the 4th amendment because it covers unreasonable search and siezures. Reguardless of the changes to the law saying X guns are now illegal hand them in a huge chunk of the population would reguard that as being an illegal law (law enforcement bodies all over the country have already said they will refuse to enforce or assist the federal government with such laws) and would not comply. That would then lead to door knocking or illegal/unreasonable searches (so now you are spilling into other areas that are protected).

I don't agree or disagree with any of this I was simply trying to convey what the general feeling is over here. So if your purpose is to call my out on something or belittle me your wasting your f*****g time because as I said, in this area I don't have a personal opinion. So don't kick the messenger for trying paint a picture (on something I am not that familiar with... constitutional law) of the general feeling of the average people I know over here.
07:49pm 08/03/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13615 posts
I don't agree or disagree with any of this I was simply trying to convey what the general feeling is over here. So if your purpose is to call my out on something or belittle me your wasting your f*****g time because as I said, in this area I don't have a personal opinion.

My purpose is to try and have a rational discussion about gun control in the US. You seem kinda mad tho?
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

It just astonishes me how many Americans choose to simply the first part of the amendment, or pretend militia means an individual, wtf?. If a well-regulated militia is no longer necessary to the security of the state, then what does it say about the second part of the sentence? Or are well-regulated private armies in the USA more common than I am aware of?
08:13pm 08/03/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4037 posts
not to hard to get your head around when you understand that almost everyone and I mean everyone sees that as a two part thing where its pretty easily understood that a militia is made up of private citizens. As such private citizens were/are are expected to possess their own firearms. Do you not realise this is an argument thats been going back and forth for a very long time. Add to that the fact that the highest court in the land ruled in favour of the peoples right to bear arms in the District of Columbia v. Heller.

You also need to understand that the second amendment came into being to prevent a tryanical government from to easily subjugating the citizens. Again I don't give a f*** one way or the other I don't have a real opinion I am simply trying to point out as well as I can how it's seen here. It does sound like crazy talk doesn't it but thats how it is and the government over the past 100 something years really hasn't done much to convince people beyond a shadow of a doubt that they always act in the people best interests.

You need to understand one really critical thing here and that is that a pretty sizable chunk of the US public simply doesn't trust their own government. This isnt the same as people back home slagging off Julia for being a liar it's far worse than that.

At the end of the day your opinion of what you in the context of your life thinks it all means is 100% totally and completely irrelevant. Don't think I am being b****y or a bit harsh here because the bottom line is I don't think my opinion on the matter counts for s*** either inspite of the fact that I live here. I am not a citizen and this country owes me nothing and I'll reserve my opinions until I think I have earned a right to have them. FOr the time being I'll just be greatfull that I can enjoy some of the great things about this country.
09:00pm 08/03/13 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19611 posts
At the end of the day your opinion of what you in the context of your life thinks it all means is 100% totally and completely irrelevant.


and thats the whole point of the Constitution - it protects your liberty even when the powers that be disagree.
10:24pm 08/03/13 Permalink
Insom
Canada
4214 posts
Probably helps to know a little bit about the issue before commenting on it.

thanks for that
12:23am 09/03/13 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5769 posts
I am not a citizen and this country owes me nothing and I'll reserve my opinions until I think I have earned a right to have them.

You say that as if there's zero precedent for expats weighing in on a complex national gun debate. ;P
01:04am 09/03/13 Permalink
Creepy
USA
2058 posts
FOr the time being I'll just be greatfull that I can enjoy some of the great things about this country.

Pretty much all that needs to be said. No risk of a nanny state here...
02:36am 09/03/13 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9952 posts
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

One very simple fix is.

To buy a gun you need to prove you are in a militia so lets say 5 people have to say they are co-responsible for any illegal actions taken with that weapon.

Then when it gets used in a crime, you lock up 6 people. Sure the jails would fill up fast, but I soon think people would only sign for people they actually trust with a gun (no-one).
01:27pm 09/03/13 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
9932 posts
when in Rome eh...

To buy a gun you need to prove you are in a militia so lets say...


let's say you are seemingly overbearing at times.
11:07pm 09/03/13 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9954 posts
My suggestion is completely in line with the second amendment.
And while highly unworkable on more than one level, it would achieve one of two outcomes.

The second amendment would get amended/removed, or people's ability to get weapons would be curtailed.

The american constitution is a joke any way.


Well joke is unfair. But it's an ancient document, a legislative fossil.
08:33pm 10/03/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22399 posts
I've always found the idea the a bunch of probably racist white guys from 200 years ago are thought of to be mystical future-telling wizards because Americans oppose changes to the constitution in the same way religious zealots resist change to the bible.

Is there a good reason why it isn't amended all the time? There is always the possibility that it could be amended with nefarious intentions but surely checks and balances could be applied to minimise the chances of that happening.
08:43pm 10/03/13 Permalink
HurricaneJim
Brisbane, Queensland
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11:14pm 10/03/13 Permalink
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