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Ch-9 Hiro Client searching your files ?
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
818 posts
This is direct from Whirlpool but i thought ppl here might be interested.
Does anyone else have this installed ?

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http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1184777
I have NineMSN's HIRO client installed, so that I can download and watch Underbelly 2.

In the early hours of the morning, the client starts trawling through the file-system, including network drives.

So what is it doing?

I've since determined that after it completes its trawl of the file system, something (presumably it) then makes an https connection to a site in Israel that presents a certificate that's meant to be for WWW.HIRO.CO.IL. Since the communication is encrypted, it's not possible to determine what information is being sent.

Sylvia
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01:50pm 20/04/09 Permalink
system
Internet
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01:50pm 20/04/09 Permalink
tequila
Brisbane, Queensland
2037 posts
meh

if it doesn't play in vlc, it doesn't play.
01:58pm 20/04/09 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
1347 posts
It's probably doing what is specifically written in size 4 font on page 1,342 of the End-user License Agreement.
02:07pm 20/04/09 Permalink
tequila
Brisbane, Queensland
2038 posts
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The word 'cryptographic' can be left out if the routines from the library being used are not cryptographic related :-).
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02:20pm 20/04/09 Permalink
Stokesy
Brisbane, Queensland
1005 posts
You hereby submit to the personal and exclusive jurisdiction of the courts located in Tel Aviv, Israel, for the resolution of any dispute involving the Terms and Conditions of this Agreement or the subject matter hereof. The laws of The U.N. Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods shall not apply in any respect to this Agreement.


Interesting.
02:29pm 20/04/09 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
819 posts
How about a simple "by installing this software you are consenting to us searching your files."

What dummy would allow that ?
02:54pm 20/04/09 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
1871 posts
What dummy would allow that ?


Anyone that installs the CH-9 software... apparently.
03:30pm 20/04/09 Permalink
paradigm
Brisbane, Queensland
70 posts
I had never heard of this software until today...ignorance is bliss.
03:37pm 20/04/09 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
5505 posts
Yoyodyne, Inc., hereby disclaims all copyright interest in the program `Gnomovision' (which makes passes at compilers) written by James Hacker



ummm James Hacker...
04:05pm 20/04/09 Permalink
Corrupt
Brisbane, Queensland
1192 posts
This is disgusting, another sony rootkit. F*** channel 9. Trawling through files wow thats f***en illegal especially since it was not made clear. Nobody has time to read through lengthy EULA's therefore it should be clearly stated in plain words. Outside the EULA.
04:19pm 20/04/09 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
733 posts
Nothings illegal if you agree to it. but yeah companies should be forced to give you a summary that laymen can easily and quickly understand.
04:28pm 20/04/09 Permalink
tequila
Brisbane, Queensland
2040 posts
Nothings illegal if you agree to it. but yeah companies should be forced to give you a summary that laymen can easily and quickly understand.


as much as I'd love for this to be true, so I could forge your signature on a bit of paper saying you agree to me "killing" you (not murder if you agree!)

you're wrong, as usual
the courts are there to decide whats right and wrong, the law is not black and white

as for companies being forced to tell you whats going on, thats exactly what the eula does - as a laymen, I can interpret that and it IS susswang

the company relies on the fact that people dont read them
04:33pm 20/04/09 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
2593 posts
Nothings illegal if you agree to it.

EULAs are untested in Australia as far as I know.

Also, the statement is blatantly false - there are a lot of things that are illegal regardless of agreement. A big example is statutory rights.
04:35pm 20/04/09 Permalink
Crizane Tribal
Brisbane, Queensland
351 posts
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Reason: Inapprop. language/links
Send Private Message
05:34pm 20/04/09 Permalink
whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
13820 posts
I've often caught X-Fire uploading something to somewhere and it's not listed in the "files" tab where it usually lists all the s*** it's down/uploading. I call shenanigans on the lot of you! I'm disconnecting my internet and going to live in a cave.
05:41pm 20/04/09 Permalink
MrHardware
Brisbane, Queensland
4756 posts
Jewminati.
05:58pm 20/04/09 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
8714 posts
noobs
06:06pm 20/04/09 Permalink
Taipan
Brisbane, Queensland
3083 posts
So has anyone actually taken a shot at ch 9 about this and if they have what was their response?
06:20pm 20/04/09 Permalink
pARODY
Brisbane, Queensland
311 posts
The disclaimer won't work in australia. The item listing that all jurisdiction comes under Israel isn't a valid claim. You can't sign or agree to any document that removes you from your sovereign laws unless you actually move to another country. You would need to make any Challenge to their Eula in Israel (unless there was a criminal case which you would file in your locality first).
06:30pm 20/04/09 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
737 posts
once again teq you completely misunderstand and at the same time somehow contradict yourself. Do you really hate me that much? I still haven't touched your gf/wife.
06:31pm 20/04/09 Permalink
qmass
Queensland
9234 posts
Nothings illegal if you agree to it.
What about Euthanasia?
07:11pm 20/04/09 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
742 posts

within reason you retard
07:12pm 20/04/09 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
1269 posts
why is euthanasia not within reason?
07:25pm 20/04/09 Permalink
Taipan
Brisbane, Queensland
3084 posts
Man why would you get pissed off at someone that has just pointed out the short comings of a statement you made that pretty much amounts to nothing but 100% bulls***?
07:28pm 20/04/09 Permalink
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