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Malaysia Airlines MH370 lost, presumed crashed/hijacked
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4880 posts

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/08/malaysia-airlines-777-200-has-crashed-location-imprecise/

this link seems to getting updated as new information comes to light

the only time that a 777 has had a fatality was the Asiana flight, and even then it could be argued the fire truck helped in that figure
01:11pm 08/03/14 Permalink
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01:11pm 08/03/14 Permalink
RuleofBooKz
Melbourne, Victoria
1213 posts
what a fantastic discussion starter. i really am in awe of the points you raised
01:52pm 08/03/14 Permalink
fencer
Melbourne, Victoria
36 posts
01:58pm 08/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4881 posts
it wasn't a discussion starter as such, more a this is happening, more info to follow
05:23pm 08/03/14 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
8349 posts
239 staff and customers. 7 australians 2 new zealanders, a few other nationalities, but mostly chinese.
06:16pm 08/03/14 Permalink
Mosfx
Gold Coast, Queensland
1909 posts
Still haven't heard if they have found the wreckage, rumors floating around it may have been hijacked as air authorities are saying it's unusual no beacon was deployed.

Courier Mail posted an image of a couple killed and then slashed their watermark over it as if it's an exclusive image, I'd be disgusted if I was that family.
06:52pm 08/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4882 posts
thats not cool mosfx, hope that CM pull their watermark off the image


the reports seems to be bouncing between 6 and 7 aussie now, however the airline (which has been pretty open and timely with all information to date I have to say) have only stated 7, and it looks like the reports of 6 are from other news agencys picking up on a mistake (???)

the beacons dont work past a certain depth underwater, but the 777 is a robust plane, so it would I feel left a large degree of debris if it hit hard enough for the beacons to sink quickly enough to not get a signal

while it looks all rather bleak, there is hope that it was something that has gone wrong, and those people on board are safe and waiting to be found and rescued
07:12pm 08/03/14 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4614 posts
That would have to be a hell of a long shot though copius although i guess there is always some hope.
08:14pm 08/03/14 Permalink
Audi
Perth, Western Australia
622 posts
With six degrees of separation shouldn't one of us know an aussie on that flight?
08:15pm 08/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4883 posts
That would have to be a hell of a long shot though copius although i guess there is always some hope.


it all depends on what caused the plane to go down, both engine's failing would mean the pilot still had control, and there would be a chance, even if there was a complete failure of all electrics, being a boeing it could still be controlled to a degree, but that is sort of best chance stuff I know
08:26pm 08/03/14 Permalink
Mosfx
Gold Coast, Queensland
1910 posts
Well still no sign of the plane yet, Malaysia Airlines have come out saying they have presumed it's crashed in the sea somewhere, S&E teams are heading to the known flight path but depending what happened the plane could be anywhere.
09:16pm 08/03/14 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
19341 posts
As long as liam neeson is on board everything will be ok
09:18pm 08/03/14 Permalink
3x0dus
Townsville, Queensland
1840 posts
Tbh you would think in this day and age, it would take mear hours to have a high res sat pic over the area clear enough to see where it went down.
09:31pm 08/03/14 Permalink
RuleofBooKz
Melbourne, Victoria
1221 posts
http://www.flightradar24.com/9.39,98.43/6

one website that tracks aircraft. There are many. u can click on any plane for all its details like height and airline and destination etc etc

Why can we track planes from our home PC but the professionals can just lose one so suddenly? the 777 is meant to also be a super safe plane but i guess that only lasts until something like this maybe happens.
11:54pm 08/03/14 Permalink
DK
Brisbane, Queensland
975 posts
Yeah blows my mind that they can just lose a modern plane like has happened. Must be a bombing instantly incinerated. And I'm going on a 777 in a weeks time great...

Edit: yep I'm going to guess a bombing. An Italian and Austrian reportedly on the flight manifest have been identified as not boarded the plane. With the Italians passport being recently stolen.
01:24am 09/03/14 Permalink
Mosfx
Gold Coast, Queensland
1912 posts
Yep could be terrorism especially with the separatists in China i.e. that recent crazy ass mass stabbing.
07:37am 09/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4884 posts

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=1

doesn't seem anyother outlets are reporting this, hopefully find something soon
08:16am 09/03/14 Permalink
LordHelyi
Brisbane, Queensland
1685 posts
Yeah blows my mind that they can just lose a modern plane like has happened.

The entire world is not covered by radar, actually almost all of australia isn't covered by radar either, pretty much just the coastal areas are.
Planes are tracked by Navaids and by ATC and the pilots + computers self-reporting their position periodically.
ATC computers then interpolate the data that's constantly received to know where the plane is and should be.
Separation rules in non-radar coverage areas are significantly larger because a plane effectively has a 'cone' of where it could end up. The further away you're predicting it to be the larger the area it could be.

So unfortunately it is entirely possible to lose a plane.

That information isn't entirely 100% correct. One of my good friends is both a pilot, did Aviation Engineering and now his day job is an Air Traffic Controller out of Brisbane Airport here, so I will ask him again about controlled airspace.
I kinda glazed over when I was being educated on it.
IFR airspace and planes doesn't interest me too much
10:32am 09/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1390 posts
Yeah Helyi.

It's all about energy management at the ATC with the IFR and CRF's.
10:40am 09/03/14 Permalink
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
4854 posts

http://www.flightradar24.com/9.39,98.43/6

one website that tracks aircraft. There are many. u can click on any plane for all its details like height and airline and destination etc etc


cool site. these terrorists today have it so easy. now back in my day......
10:56am 09/03/14 Permalink
LordHelyi
Brisbane, Queensland
1686 posts
Is little ph33x upset at two abbreviations he can't google?
Intellectual Bellcurves and all that.
11:01am 09/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1392 posts
Mayday, Mayday, Mayday, Feels Center, PHX 198 received Mayday of feels failure from PHX 422, I say again PHX 422 major feels failure, forced landing 10 miles east of Feelsdam 4000 feet descending heading 180.
11:12am 09/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4885 posts
i think in that case ph33x, it would be PAN, PAN, PAN, saying that you have control, and are planing a forced landing,
11:24am 09/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4886 posts

this is one of the better places to be kept upto date with-out being bogged down with aero talk, or murdoch spin

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/08/malaysia-airlines-777-200-has-crashed-location-imprecise/


11:27am 09/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1393 posts
Negative on PAN PAN sir!

There is immediate danger to my passengers, I figured a Feels Mayday would be more appropriate. It worked as Helyi is maintaining radio silence.
11:28am 09/03/14 Permalink
LordHelyi
Brisbane, Queensland
1687 posts
I think you have some sort of issues ph33x.
11:53am 09/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1394 posts
some sort of issues

Ok.
12:06pm 09/03/14 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
11032 posts
http://www.flightradar24.com/9.39,98.43/6

Thats a cool site, is there an Australian version ?
Top right you can choose to jump to another area...Oceania
http://www.flightradar24.com/-27.65,152.07/7

haha thats a fun timewaster.

OMFG check out North America

last edited by FaceMan at 12:21:29 09/Mar/14
12:19pm 09/03/14 Permalink
LordHelyi
Brisbane, Queensland
1688 posts
Oh I see. Ph33x is still mad about some battlefield jet thread or something because I didn't agree or 'side' with him against some other guy or something.
First troll post all makes sense now.
lol, s*** other people forget that you hold onto son.
12:24pm 09/03/14 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
37635 posts
it wasn't a discussion starter as such, more a this is happening, more info to follow
then please update the OP to reflect that

this isn't twitter - add something into the OP
12:30pm 09/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1395 posts
Oh I see. Ph33x is still mad about some battlefield jet thread or something because I didn't agree or 'side' with him against some other guy or something.
First troll post all makes sense now.
lol, s*** other people forget that you hold onto son.

All this deep thought and time invested...

Most people would initially be like 'har har' and moved on. This is your third jab now. Stop being so mad - it's Sunday yo.

Ava' a laff ya f***head.
01:13pm 09/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4887 posts

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/09/mayalsia-airlines-mh370-hijack-suspicions-rise/

hijacking is looking like the likely cause.

hopefully this doesn't lead to US style security up dates, and more follows the Israel model (which relays more background checks, less on point of flight checks)
04:47pm 09/03/14 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
21322 posts
watchout for the murdoch spin!
04:52pm 09/03/14 Permalink
sLaps_Forehead
Brisbane, Queensland
6753 posts
durka durka?
05:12pm 09/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4888 posts
there is a lot of unrest in china at the moment, and seeing that the plane was mostly Chinese pax, there is a fair chance that the Xinjiang separatists are behind it if it is an attack
05:27pm 09/03/14 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
8350 posts

Twenty of the missing are employees of Freescale

http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1907348&highlight

Freescale Semiconductor (NYSE:FSL) is a global leader in embedded processing solutions, providing industry leading products that are advancing the automotive, consumer, industrial and networking markets. From microprocessors and microcontrollers to sensors, analog integrated circuits and connectivity – our technologies are the foundation for the innovations that make our world greener, safer, healthier and more connected. Some of our key applications and end-markets include automotive safety, hybrid and all-electric vehicles, next generation wireless infrastructure, smart energy management, portable medical devices, consumer appliances and smart mobile devices. The company is based in Austin, Texas, and has design, research and development, manufacturing and sales operations around the world. www.freescale.com


07:32pm 09/03/14 Permalink
Vash
3912 posts

watchout for the murdoch spin!


That goes without saying. Reliable news from the guardian, ABC and SMH only!
12:03am 10/03/14 Permalink
lipponi
1 posts
Just saw news says the plane was crashed in to sea is this true?
02:39am 10/03/14 Permalink
carson
Melbourne, Victoria
2399 posts
Pretty sad news. Especially for anyone's friends or families that was on the plane.

Isn't the most likely explanation that the plane just crashed? It would be good if they could recover the black box. Though, dunno how likely that'll be given how big the ocean is.

I like to think it wasn't any involvement from terrorists, especially in this post 9/11 world.
08:26am 10/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1397 posts
Good chance they'll find the recorder if they can locate the area the plane hit the water. Apparently it's rather shallow in that region.
09:14am 10/03/14 Permalink
Mosfx
Gold Coast, Queensland
1913 posts
Isn't the most likely explanation that the plane just crashed? It would be good if they could recover the black box. Though, dunno how likely that'll be given how big the ocean is.


If the plane crashed it would of sent out it's distress beacon, this is what the issue is they never received it so more than likely something has happened to it suddenly, I'm leaning towards terrorism with Chinese separatists.

On a side note the new Liam Neeson movie is good
09:27am 10/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4889 posts
there isn't a history of 777's just "crashing"

even if there was a problem and the pilot didn't call (he might have been too busy getting control, or handling something) the plane would have sent out a message (the engines for one are sending data to GE/PW/RR all the time to help monitor the state of the engines, and times to service etc)

also, it appears that the plane was still sending data after radar contact was lost for 2-3 minutes (so after it had descended), that data however wasn't positioning, just normal aircraft systems data, which at this point doesn't answer any questions


also, there are reports that the debris found last night ISN'T from the aircraft like first thought (the fact that there isn't a debris field could mean that the aircraft landed/crashed and stayed intact, which leads to hope still, but if people had evac'd the plane there would have been an distress signal from the rafts, so there is still alot that remains unanswered until the aircraft/people are found (any hope tho is fading :( )
03:21pm 10/03/14 Permalink
TicMan
Brisbane, Queensland
8930 posts
Hasn't there only been 2 777s involved in crashes? 1 was the BA flight at Heathrow that had dodgy fuel, everybody lived. The other was the Asiana flight that landed short (pilot error) with 3 people dead and apparently 2 of them were killed when an ambo of fire engine ran over them in the grass.

PS: Asiana is such a good airline, other than pilots that look like this;

http://archive.meemi.com/m-82972274a87717137b64e5757683d4a642598de51ac518cc8745500e1063b49a.jpg
03:55pm 10/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1398 posts
I think copuis is referring to the fact there hasn't been a 777 crash that resulted from random mechanical failure.
03:57pm 10/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4890 posts
spot on ph33x

the BA flight was ice build up in the engines, and the only "crash" that could be slightly caused by the aircraft, but there were other factors like possible fuel contamination

as for the Asiana flight at SFO, that wasn't the aircraft's fault at all, infact that aircraft type helped keep the death rate low

current (until this flight is found) there are only three deaths that have been caused by this aircraft type (and you could argue that 2 of those were the Asiana pilot, and one a fire truck, but the figures dont take that into account)
04:11pm 10/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1426 posts

This bump is worth it:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-plane-may-have-flown-for-hours-after-dropping-off-radar-20140313-hvibj.html

I don't really know what to make of that.. If the transponders were turned off, can't the plane still be seen by passive radar? Where would it have gone? If it was hijacked, why wasn't demands made in those hours? Or a crash on land? Where is a place a plane like that 'could' safely land without ever being spotted on a radar? What?

LordHelyi, comms check.. LordHelyi, comms check.. (No really)


07:03pm 13/03/14 Permalink
carson
Melbourne, Victoria
2412 posts
I'm guessing aliens. Nothing else could have done it, so it's gotta be aliens. I've been reading that link in Faceman's sig. It makes too much sense not to be aliens.

In reality, maybe they didn't know comms were down and then s*** kinda happened!?
07:05pm 13/03/14 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
11039 posts
Maybe this was the first, a demonstration of capability.
pay 1 million dollars or another goes down

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/76/762195e1666497074ede151e0cbeb39738a411d967572cbbe24b90cf8db6011f.jpg
09:52pm 13/03/14 Permalink
Mosfx
Gold Coast, Queensland
1923 posts
It took 2 years for the Air France flight to be retrieved, although that was different circumstances, they knew where the plane went down just couldn't get to it with it being stuck 4000m below the ocean.

This whole ordeal is sketchy just so many different reports coming out, no one seems to know where it really was.
10:53pm 13/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4901 posts

thought this might be interesting (seeing that this claim is coming from the government itself)

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysia-confirms-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-was-hijacked/story-fnizu68q-1226855485378

so I guess the question is, why hijack this older aircraft, and where the hell is it, and are the people still alive?


04:27pm 15/03/14 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
8352 posts
This article leads me to think the plane may have been stolen. Maybe there was someone important on the plane

WSJ: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Probe Sharpens Focus on Sabotage

Apparently it turned off its tracking, then changed direction and height and flew in (above) the commercial jetliner routes used on trips to Europe/MidEast, so would have been very hard to pick up in those busy lanes. Every hour it pinged a satellite for five hours. Apparently it takes a considerable amount of technical know how to disable that ping, so it either crashed within the following hour or some government or group with significant resources and know-how just stole a plane full of people.
06:35pm 15/03/14 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
11045 posts
Steal a Plane ?
Arent Pilots armed ?

The chance of getting away with it would be incredibly small unless you had someone in the C***pit. Maybe one of the Pilots was shot early or drugged.
Even then, pretty hard to hide a Plane.

The search seems really incompetent,
I get the feeling we arent being told something.

didnt the cell phones ring out ?

07:37pm 15/03/14 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
18012 posts
the malaysian investigators are already denying that it was hijacked.
07:41pm 15/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4902 posts
the malaysian investigators are already denying that it was hijacked.



really, they have been calling it a deliberate act, since before i posted it, and hijack was on the books, (and the words used)
07:50pm 15/03/14 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
18014 posts
eh nevermind. the article i read was published a few hours before the malaysian prime minister said it was hijacked.
07:58pm 15/03/14 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
37571 posts
if you had friends/family on board, you'd be praying that the plane was stolen and has landed somewhere.
08:12pm 15/03/14 Permalink
RuleofBooKz
Melbourne, Victoria
1264 posts
maybe but its a bit of an out of the fire into the,,, situation
08:38pm 15/03/14 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
37573 posts
any chance is better than none
08:39pm 15/03/14 Permalink
ajubile
Perth, Western Australia
2 posts
My initial guess was plane got hijacked and hijacker manually override the plane and cut off all communications. Land the plan somewhere very isolated and already arranged and hold hostages (but they wanna mess around so that the investigators keep on investigating until a couple more days/weeks when they popup with footages etc). Not going to name any potential countries, but possibly hijacker has something against the Chinese (since the majority of the passengers are Chinese)

Or another scenario would be hijacker took control of the plane, fly it for sometimes and crash it to the ocean (possibly area which is out of the range currently being investigated)

Either way, family members would prefer the first news. So sadddd
11:27pm 15/03/14 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
18017 posts
any chance is better than none


i doubt the passengers are still alive if it was hijacked by terrorists and landed somewhere. it would be very difficult and expensive to keep 240 hostages alive for a long period of time.
11:30am 16/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1442 posts
it would be very difficult and expensive to keep 240 hostages alive for a long period of time.

Especially with plane food.
11:36am 16/03/14 Permalink
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
4873 posts
12:00pm 16/03/14 Permalink
Sir Redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
1268 posts
This s*** is Cray.

Are we assuming that the government is negotiating with the terrorists?
12:11pm 16/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4903 posts
I think what is a little concerning is that it would appear that a plane can fly around all these country's that have good self defence, and not one person has gone
"umm there is a big radar return, and no transponder return,"
12:13pm 16/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1445 posts
Where is a place a plane like that 'could' safely land without ever being spotted on a radar? What?

Yep.

Clearly one of two things is the case. 1: The plane crashed into the ocean, the majority of the time out of radar range, or 2: Radar defences are way overestimated.

If it's this flakey finding a 777, how are these missile defense systems really supposed to do the job they are purported to do?
12:26pm 16/03/14 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
21331 posts
Or it landed in a country friendly to the hijackers.
12:35pm 16/03/14 Permalink
sLaps_Forehead
Brisbane, Queensland
6755 posts
Remember this?

Stephen King's - The Langoliers (1995)





12:41pm 16/03/14 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
37574 posts
balki!!!!
12:43pm 16/03/14 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
11048 posts
check out all the has-beens in that show.

12:53pm 16/03/14 Permalink
sLaps_Forehead
Brisbane, Queensland
6756 posts
I disagree, Dean Stockwell and David Morse are still getting film and TV roles.

Hard to blame the actors for such a low budget tv mini-series.
01:04pm 16/03/14 Permalink
Pablitos Way
Melbourne, Victoria
42 posts
Or it landed in a country friendly to the hijackers.


Maybe, could be getting fitted with a nuke as we speak. Would make it one hell of a sophisticated WMD.
01:22pm 16/03/14 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
21332 posts


Maybe, could be getting fitted with a nuke as we speak. Would make it one hell of a sophisticated WMD.


Wouldn't make sense. A terror group could just buy a commercial airliner. They want WHAT'S ON the plane.
01:51pm 16/03/14 Permalink
baz
Victoria
494 posts


A terror group could just buy a commercial airliner.


I have never bought a commercial airliner before but this sounds a little far fetched.

There is a little plausibility in the WMD theory in that a fully fueled 777 would be able to take off a lot further away from its target, as in it would have a huge range if it was more of a missile than a passenger plane. Perhaps they are planning on circumventing detection or imitating another flight to get close enough to the target for the Air force to stop them. They have already shown they have the technical expertise by switching off they tracking systems.

Its a lot more likely there was something on the plane they wanted tho. The Freescale employees perhaps.
I heard they also made high tech weapons??


Twenty of the missing are employees of Freescale

http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1907348&highlight

Freescale Semiconductor (NYSE:FSL) is a global leader in embedded processing solutions, providing industry leading products that are advancing the automotive, consumer, industrial and networking markets. From microprocessors and microcontrollers to sensors, analog integrated circuits and connectivity – our technologies are the foundation for the innovations that make our world greener, safer, healthier and more connected. Some of our key applications and end-markets include automotive safety, hybrid and all-electric vehicles, next generation wireless infrastructure, smart energy management, portable medical devices, consumer appliances and smart mobile devices. The company is based in Austin, Texas, and has design, research and development, manufacturing and sales operations around the world. www.freescale.com


02:31pm 16/03/14 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
8353 posts
Being on a hijacked aircraft would be absolutely terrifying, but there aren't words to describe the feeling when you find out the plane full of people was hijacked for you and your 19 work mates. Stuck working in some industrial research dungeon having watched the other 180 passengers executed. If that's what has happened fiction has a lot of catching up to do.
04:55pm 16/03/14 Permalink
Mosfx
Gold Coast, Queensland
1929 posts
Firstly Malaysia really dropped the ball on the communication side information was slow and I had the impression they had no idea where it was.

Air France plane they found wreckage 5 days after it crashed, took them two years to find the black box.

This is different the US have said this plane went on a lot longer after it lost contact, I bet anti-terror agencies are going nuts looking for this thing.

I'm flying to Singapore next week it'll be interesting to see if there have been changes to security, even though Australia is pretty tough already.
07:04pm 16/03/14 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
15344 posts
It also could be that countries like china did detect the plane with radar but don't want to give away their military prowess? So they feign not seeing it?
07:12pm 16/03/14 Permalink
baz
Victoria
504 posts
I was going to fly from Malaysia to Beijing next week but Im f***ed if Im gonna trawl through 300 pages of news f*****y results on google to find a cheap flight.

Pull ya s*** together Google, its not like you give a s*** anyway.
01:21am 17/03/14 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
3147 posts
It also could be that countries like china did detect the plane with radar but don't want to give away their military prowess? So they feign not seeing it?

Yeah pretty much. I suspect high level governments have a very good idea/know exactly what happened to the plane but they have to leak information out slowly and feign stupidity so as to not show off the extent of their own surveillance technology.
03:36am 17/03/14 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
11049 posts
12:46am 18/03/14 Permalink
RuleofBooKz
Melbourne, Victoria
1279 posts
so what you are saying is you dont think Women can make good pilots now? Hey the 1950s called and they want their sexism back
01:03am 18/03/14 Permalink
carson
Melbourne, Victoria
2418 posts
What the f*** does that image even mean Faceman?

It's a stock photo of pilots and then a photo of pilots taking a selfie? God you buy in to some complete bulls***.
06:07am 18/03/14 Permalink
Gambit
Brisbane, Queensland
31 posts
What the f*** does that image even mean Faceman?

It's a stock photo of pilots and then a photo of pilots taking a selfie? God you buy in to some complete bulls***.


They are not pilots. Those women are passengers who are invited into the c***pit by the pilots (the guy on the right is the co-pilot of the missing flight I guess)
09:56am 18/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1470 posts
so what you are saying is you dont think Women can make good pilots now? Hey the 1950s called and they want their sexism back

Your idiot level just reached a new record. If after all the news coverage you think they are pilots.... lolll
10:03am 18/03/14 Permalink
Mosfx
Gold Coast, Queensland
1934 posts
so what you are saying is you dont think Women can make good pilots now? Hey the 1950s called and they want their sexism back


I thought this was sarcasm? Maybe not?

They are not pilots. Those women are passengers who are invited into the c***pit by the pilots (the guy on the right is the co-pilot of the missing flight I guess)


Looks like they are outside the c***pit, and the plane is probably grounded it was just two females looking for attention.
10:19am 18/03/14 Permalink
Audi
Perth, Western Australia
634 posts
This just gets more and more bizarre by the day.
10:33am 18/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1472 posts
Looks like they are outside the c***pit, and the plane is probably grounded it was just two females looking for attention.
http://img.caixin.com/2014-03-12/1394613508819064_840_560.jpg

What's most surprising is this little detail (little as in, was posted on every news site and TV announcement for at least 3 days) seems to have eluded several people. Not that any of it has any bearing on current events anyways, but still..
10:57am 18/03/14 Permalink
Basket
Gold Coast, Queensland
853 posts
Haven't kept up to date in the last few days, So correct me if I'm wrong, Do they know for a fact it went DOWN in the ocean? Couldn't the people of just hijacked it and flew it to somewhere in particular? No idea why? Just saying.
11:02am 18/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1474 posts
In point form: They thought it went down, but it "appears" to have been sending a ping to satellites for "up to" about 7.5 hours. The pings contain no data, but they are pings nonetheless - If that's the case, it either crashed into the ocean, or flew low (to avoid radar) over a pack of countries then landed safely. There is about 600-700 airports that are within fuel range + have the distance to pull up a plane like this, last I heard they were checking them, as well as the radar/satellite data around the countries they suspect the place may have flown over. They are referencing when certain satellites lost contact with the plane over time, and the trajectory of them satellites to try and pinpoint where the plane would have been at the time.

So really, it's still 50/50 as to whether it crashes in water or landed still to this day.

The media are trumping this up as much as they can at the moment.
11:08am 18/03/14 Permalink
Audi
Perth, Western Australia
635 posts
It landed over at Rottnest, I know a guy who saw it.
02:04pm 18/03/14 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
11051 posts
I guess Rulez has never had girls in his C***pit.
Not that theres anything wrong with that.
03:42pm 18/03/14 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
2166 posts
If it landed somewhere surely someone onboard would have got a message out via text or something once in range of cell towers?

I'm pretty sure it's in the ocean somewhere.
03:48pm 18/03/14 Permalink
RuleofBooKz
Melbourne, Victoria
1290 posts
oh dear. When you have to explain sarcasm (id say i was engaging in satire but whatever) you know the "idiot level just reached a new record"
03:50pm 18/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4921 posts
and the fact you cant see a joke/take a joke

ummmmmm
04:14pm 18/03/14 Permalink
RuleofBooKz
Melbourne, Victoria
1297 posts
How cute. You think pheex is just joking around and hasn't demonstrated time and again to having a boiling rage filled hate towards me and to stalking me.

Hint: posting up my image in another thread (not related to posting up forum users images) just today sort of gives his stalker leanings away.
05:55pm 18/03/14 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
8354 posts

Read something yesterday that was interesting. Recons the person flying the plane traveled across country in the radar signal of a asia->Spain flight, and names the possible flight

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68

Also the initial change in altitude to above the recommended flying height, if accompanied by cabin depressurization would've taken care of all the passengers in a matter of seconds - apparently 9-16 seconds at that height and humans have lost functional conciousness


09:37pm 18/03/14 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4624 posts
At this rate the movie will be out before they find it.

Perhaps we should just wait for the movie, that may shed some light on where it could be.
10:04pm 18/03/14 Permalink
Some Fat Bastard
Brisbane, Queensland
1602 posts
I heard the pilot hocked the plane at cash converters.
10:11pm 18/03/14 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
15350 posts
yeah I admit, posting pics of people in real life doing random stuff is a bit too far for a public (or even private) forum. Reel it in ph33x.
10:12pm 18/03/14 Permalink
LordHelyi
Brisbane, Queensland
1691 posts
Also the initial change in altitude to above the recommended flying height, if accompanied by cabin depressurization would've taken care of all the passengers in a matter of seconds - apparently 9-16 seconds at that height and humans have lost functional conciousness
It's also not possible for that plane to fly at that height hence why they said when the engines sent data of 45,000ft that "the data does not make sense".

At that altitude the plane would simply cease to fly. And before that it's service ceiling is well below 45,000ft. Meaning a measly ~300ft/min climb at maximum thrust.
The closer you get to a planes absolute ceiling (the maximum height at which a fixed wing aircraft can theoretically fly at maximum thrust whereby its engines are producing exactly the required amount of thrust to overcome aerodynamic drag at exactly the minimum airspeed required to maintain lift [no loss of altitude] in perfect co-ordinated flight).

Another way of looking at is it's like approaching the speed of light. The closer you get, the harder it gets to achieve.
The closer to absolute ceiling a plane gets the more likely it is to just fall out of the sky. Trying to get to it in level flight is almost impossible because a mere degree or two of pitch, yaw or roll would mean the aircraft would stall and probably even enter a violent spin at those sorts of altitudes which would be catastrophic an certain destruction for a passenger jet like a 777.

A 777 just does not have the thrust capability to get anywhere near those altitudes by zoom climbing either ('rocketing upwards' at a rate of ascent greater than its sustainable climb rate by engine power). Especially since the higher you go the faster you need to travel due to less dense air thus the maximum rate of sustainable climb is lessened, therefore the ability to produce 'excess speed' to zoom climb with becomes more difficult to attain and that excess speed also yields less return on the ascent due to the same reason.

TL;DR. The 777 didn't hit 45,000ft. I'm inclined to believe their disbelief of that data as being inaccurate.

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10:52pm 18/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4933 posts
It's also not possible for that plane to fly at that height hence why they said when the engines sent data of 45,000ft that "the data does not make sense".


err, it is 100% possible, sure the aircraft isn't rated to fly above 43,100ft, but that doesn't mean it isn't able to fly above it, (yes i'm aware there is a finer line between stall and flight the higher you go, but that is also the safe limit, it doesn't take into account the air "thickness" on that day, the thicker the air, the higher it can go)

fyi, all civialian aircraft flying pretty much have that same service ceiling,

so while your point is valid for the rest, you statement that the plane couldn't fly at/above 45000ft is false

aircraft limits are the limit of what the aircraft can do safely, not the limit of it's ability, A DC-8 has a maximum speed of 588 mph, yet it has done 660 mph (or more than the speed of sound) in stable flight, and that was in the 70's
01:19am 19/03/14 Permalink
Sir Redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
1272 posts

Some interesting analysis here.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

So is the reason planes don't do GPS is because they're pretty much too high for it to work effectively?


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01:36pm 19/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4934 posts
well, all this shows that the JSF is a waste of money, should have gone the rafale, and the saab

I mean whats the point in spending all that money on stealth when they cant see this big bird
03:30pm 19/03/14 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
15355 posts
Audi, that information has been known since the first day.
03:58pm 19/03/14 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
7409 posts
Audi, that information has been known since the first day.

heh, i thought audi must have posted that url as a joke... coz well.. it's an 'article' about a theory based on same random guys comment on another news site.
freescale are just a regular semiconductor manufacturer... the whole 'electronic warfare company' is pure media hype.
06:40pm 19/03/14 Permalink
Viper119
Other International
2344 posts

This is the most sensible theory I've seen, electrical fire: https://plus.google.com/106271056358366282907/posts/GoeVjHJaGBz

The author posts twice more in the comments responding to criticism.

The BBC have a good article up looking at the theories floating around: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26609687


10:58pm 19/03/14 Permalink
baz
Victoria
517 posts

heh, i thought audi must have posted that url as a joke... coz well.. it's an 'article' about a theory based on same random guys comment on another news site.
freescale are just a regular semiconductor manufacturer... the whole 'electronic warfare company' is pure media hype.


Source?
11:33pm 19/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1496 posts
Source?

For me, the part on the same page which says:

"However, the absurd theory does not add up.

Although a Freescale patent does exist under number US8650327, none of the names listed actually appear on the passenger manifest released by the Malaysian authorities."

is good enough.
08:57am 20/03/14 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
15366 posts
So Aussie planes on route to check out debris that may or may not be MH370 related.

I suspect the catastrophic fire theory presented above is the most likely scenario.
03:53pm 20/03/14 Permalink
d^
Melbourne, Victoria
1381 posts
06:22pm 20/03/14 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
19424 posts
I suspect the catastrophic fire theory presented above is the most likely scenario.


doesn't explain why the plan possibly ended up down past the southern tip of WA
07:07pm 20/03/14 Permalink
LordHelyi
Brisbane, Queensland
1692 posts
doesn't explain why the plan possibly ended up down past the southern tip of WA
It could.
It's happened in history where a crew has been incapacitated and the plane continues to fly on autopilot until complete fuel exhaustion and then crash killing everyone on board.
Interested read when scrambled F16's see pilots slumped on the controls and watching a plane fly itself and they can do nothing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522

If the malaysian flight did have a catastrophic event then flying on autopilot whilst sorting it out is possible and apparently pretty standard procedure (assuming control surfaces/plane still maintaining a clean configuration)

As for the other conspiracy theory of following another plane out.
Mate of mine (Air Traffic Controller at Brisbane Airport here) and qualified as a commercial pilot had this to say about it when just asked it was actually even possible.

Theoretically, maybe -> yes. Basically formation flying requires a lot of skill and practice. The autopilot would have been flying both aircraft due altitude and it would have been impossible for the following pilot to get SIA's flight plan. They would have needed to watch them.like a hawk for 6hr for small turns and level changes. Plus they can only visually see other aircraft from a short distance and identify from a few miles. Also they can't tell the flight number without verbally asking someone. Possible, but immensely unlikely.


So basically the only way to "find" SIA from on board the malaysian plane (no radar) even if they knew where it would be roughly, the only way to find it would be to visually spot it. And that's pretty unlikely if they were out by a few miles or if the other plane was above/below expected altitude or behind/ahead of schedule. So, highly improbable.

Plane likely had some catastrophe and is a repeat of Flight 522.
07:39pm 20/03/14 Permalink
dewb
Brisbane, Queensland
4600 posts
fire breaks out - pilots turn back or towards safe runway - plane loses cabin pressure incapacitating everyone on board - autopilot continues until fuel runs out.

it has happened before
07:40pm 20/03/14 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
37606 posts
i just called my parents-in-law to check with them. they said the fire onboard is likely.

all they do when they come to my place is watch air crash investigation on my foxtel when they come to visit, so they've seen every episode.
08:42pm 20/03/14 Permalink
LordHelyi
Brisbane, Queensland
1693 posts
Bad visibility but.. nothing found so far from the first reconnaissance flight:

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/03/20/us-aircraft-completes-search-objects-not-spotted
09:27pm 20/03/14 Permalink
Pablitos Way
Melbourne, Victoria
52 posts
Can you imagine the cost of all this searching...
10:20pm 20/03/14 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
15372 posts
I'm sure Holywood will recap the costs if it was a Hijacking.
09:12am 21/03/14 Permalink
Sir Redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
1277 posts
Tone found the right wing of the plane? eh? eh?
01:13pm 21/03/14 Permalink
LordHelyi
Brisbane, Queensland
1694 posts
err, it is 100% possible, sure the aircraft isn't rated to fly above 43,100ft, but that doesn't mean it isn't able to fly above it, (yes i'm aware there is a finer line between stall and flight the higher you go, but that is also the safe limit, it doesn't take into account the air "thickness" on that day, the thicker the air, the higher it can go)

fyi, all civialian aircraft flying pretty much have that same service ceiling,

so while your point is valid for the rest, you statement that the plane couldn't fly at/above 45000ft is false
Eh? How does a fully fuelled, passenger loaded 777 climb to 45,000? It can't. Airliners struggle to get to 35,000ft after takeoff let alone another 10,000 after that.
Some may be at ~41,000ft towards the end of their run when they have significantly less fuel.


The whole 45,000ft thing was a ping from primary radar which is totally inaccurate for altitudes especially at large distances that it was pinged from.

Sure these jets could hit those altitudes not fully loaded with cargo, passengers and significantly less fuel.
This plane, not a chance it hit 45,000 so soon after takeoff.

Pretty much zero chance it also then dived within one minute to 29,000ft.
More likely it had very little variance in altitudes between those pings

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07:25pm 21/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4938 posts
lordHelyi, you might want to look at some more data and reports, there have been military radars that also detected the aircraft at 45000ft

also, a fully loaded plane a cruise engine settings, yes you are right, however you can still run the engines at MTOT for a few mintues, (which is much much more thrust than normal max cruise settings)

and that is for a FULLY loaded plane, which MH370 wasn't, that 7hrs of fuel included the reserve, this is a plane that could fly non-stop perth to london, and still have 2-3hrs of fuel in reserve, while seating 300 people, plus crew, and plus cargo, the plane wasn't full of cargo by all accounts, 3/4 full of pax, and call it a half load of fuel

it is possible the pilot pulled up to that level in an effort to put out something like a tyre fire, but we dont know that as of yet, and might not know for sometime
07:50pm 21/03/14 Permalink
cherocha
Queensland
520 posts
What sort of technological barriers do we face, that prevent us from implementing both real-time tracking for aircraft anywhere in the world, and remote control overrides (sitting behind ten layers of security, for obvious reasons) as a safeguard against incidents like incapacitated pilots or hijackings? Anybody fill me in on why it's not yet possible?

plane loses cabin pressure incapacitating everyone on board

This actually happens?
10:47pm 21/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4939 posts
there have been cases where a plane has lost pressure has taken out all on board

there has also been a case where where a plane had a problem, all blacked out, and the flew on it's adjusted course till the fuel ran out
04:57am 22/03/14 Permalink
LordHelyi
Brisbane, Queensland
1695 posts
there have been military radars that also detected the aircraft at 45000ft
Military radar is primary radar.
Primary radar doesn't ascertain altitude accurately at long distances.

In this instance I'm fairly sure any radar that picked it up was quite some distance away.
07:32am 22/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4940 posts
multiple sources saying that the plane went to 45000ft, thus it makes it a possibility, to dismiss it make you look like an internet warrior knows better because he doubts it is possible (even tho he only at best has a basic understanding, and only a very small amount of the information)

also those multiple sources are experts, not people with a theory and a passion or understanding
07:54am 22/03/14 Permalink
RuleofBooKz
Melbourne, Victoria
1322 posts

Seems some more theories are being tossed around:

Near the end of CNN's special primetime report on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, anchor Don Lemon read a pair of tweets he received from viewers suggesting the plane's disappearance could be the result of a "black hole," Bermuda Triangle or an occurrence akin to the television series "Lost."

Lemon then turned to Mary Schiavo, former inspector general of the US Department of Transportation, and said, "I know it's preposterous, but is it preposterous, do you think, Mary?"

"It is," Schiavo replied. "A small black hole would suck in our entire universe. So we know it's not that. The Bermuda Triangle is often weather, and 'Lost' is a TV show."

"Right," Lemon said.


Well thank goodness they can cross those causes off the list. Bad enough to recover a plane from the bottom of the ocean but who knows how long it would take to recover a plane from a black hole?
http://www.allnewsau.com/news/cnn-anchorman-asks-could-black-hole-explain-mh370-mystery


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02:43pm 22/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
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what insults? (yes there was a comparison, but I didn't call you an internet warrior)

i've not insulted you, nor was it my intentions, I pointed out that it is possible (do get the plane to that height), multiple experts have stated the plane went to 45000ft, and that you shouldn't dismiss it because you dont think it was able to reach that height,

also as pointed out much earlier that not all the details have been released, it is possible that the height figure has been extracted from one or two primary radar sources at first, then confirmed as each country released it's own radar data (making the figure more reliable)

also, please spell my handle right,
04:40pm 22/03/14 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
6294 posts
c***puis lol
05:27pm 22/03/14 Permalink
DK
Brisbane, Queensland
977 posts
Copuss
05:37pm 22/03/14 Permalink
cherocha
Queensland
521 posts
copuis

Am I doing it right?
05:40pm 22/03/14 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
6295 posts
co-imac***-puis

ok im not even trying
05:46pm 22/03/14 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
19432 posts
c***ius
06:42pm 22/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1527 posts
07:18pm 22/03/14 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
11054 posts
02:24am 23/03/14 Permalink
LordHelyi
Brisbane, Queensland
1697 posts
,could the people still be alive ?
Zero possibility.
Even if they were shaded from the sun for full daylight. Over two weeks with no desalinated water.
That's if hypothermia at night time didn't kill them.
Why havent they 'phoned a friend?'
Because they are dead, see above.
07:05am 23/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4945 posts
that, and if they crashed 2000kms west of perth, there was no chance of a mobile signal
10:36am 23/03/14 Permalink
LordHelyi
Brisbane, Queensland
1698 posts
Debris field found this morning via search aircraft. Speculated as highly. Likely to be from the missing plane.
Would link but on mobile.
Cyclone down south may prevent further efforts in the next few days
10:36am 23/03/14 Permalink
Insom
Canada
4314 posts
could be, but isn't the ocean just chock full of manmade bulls*** now because we can't be bothered putting our rubbish in tips
10:46am 23/03/14 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1324 posts
I think you could be talking about this

It reads like it would be hard to mistake for bits of plane.
02:44pm 23/03/14 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
11055 posts
Kate Bush cashes in !

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/22/article-2586774-1C77C85C00000578-95_634x470.jpg


Pop icon Kate Bush has been criticised for a comeback poster of herself being rescued from the sea which was released as the search continues for missing flight MH370.
The 55-year-old singer wears a lifejacket in choppy waters in the image, released yesterday for the long-awaited announcement of her first live gigs for 35 years.
But the the timing of the poster's release led some to claim it was inappropriate - for which the singer apologised today.
'The timing is really unfortunate,' she said. 'There is absolutely no connection with the current tragedy that is heading the news and I apologise from the bottom of my heart if this has in any way upset or at all offended anyone.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586774/Plane-inappropriate-Kate-Bushs-unfortunate-comeback-photo-rescued-sea-search-continues-missing-Malaysian-jet.html#ixzz2wktUnOmI
03:05pm 23/03/14 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
21347 posts
Wow people get so mad
03:32pm 23/03/14 Permalink
Persay
Brisbane, Queensland
7695 posts
nah, 3 people get mad on twitter (just trolls with nothing to do) and news.com.au or its equivalent claim that there is community outrage so it can farm another clickthrough...it worked!

so glad i ponied up the $4/week for theaustralian.com.au so i can read actual things that are actually happening IRL
12:37am 24/03/14 Permalink
baz
Victoria
522 posts
As if the plane went down in a massive vat of coca cola.
01:52am 24/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4946 posts
well, with more debris being found, and straps that might have been used to secure cargo (also used in shipping, but age etc mean it is likely) I would dare say this week they will confirm the aircraft went down in the search area,

hopefully they pin point where the aircraft bulk is, and the recovery of the flight recorder doesn't take 2 years like the air france one
02:55am 24/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1539 posts
so glad i ponied up the $4/week for theaustralian.com.au so i can read actual things that are actually happening IRL

I use Google News and find the site that gives out information for free.
08:59am 24/03/14 Permalink
Jabroney
Queensland
1423 posts
so glad i ponied up the $4/week for theaustralian.com.au so i can read actual things that are actually happening IRL


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101270/3023108-8004800126-media_preview.php
09:28am 24/03/14 Permalink
Mosfx
Gold Coast, Queensland
1942 posts
Yeah France said there satellite images look like they have found debris too so hopefully they find the wreckage this week and provide the families a little bit of closure.
09:52am 24/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4948 posts

so it has been confirmed that the plane flew into the southern ocean after running out of fuel

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/25/mh370-the-flight-ended-in-the-southern-indian-ocean/


03:45am 25/03/14 Permalink
sLaps_Forehead
Brisbane, Queensland
6770 posts
hmm it looked as though it was heading as far away from a landing site as possible.... why?
09:34am 25/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1551 posts
hmm it looked as though it was heading as far away from a landing site as possible.... why?

1: They could have been unconscious.

2: If suicide run, to minimise the chance that anyone can take back control and land it, even if you are incapacitated.

3: Santa.
10:33am 25/03/14 Permalink
Some Fat Bastard
Brisbane, Queensland
1603 posts
3: Santa.
Santa is at the North Pole.
10:44am 25/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1553 posts
Santa is at the North Pole.

3: Pogonophobia.
10:50am 25/03/14 Permalink
DK
Brisbane, Queensland
979 posts
Black box apparently been found?

Never mind just weak signals. Stupid headlines
01:53pm 11/04/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4977 posts
the search area has been narrowed alot with those signals now DK, however the black box is due to stop sending signals soon (end of battery life)
06:57pm 11/04/14 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
21807 posts
UPDATE!!

It looks like the search teams have found the wings. Now they'll be searching for the wongs.
05:20pm 16/04/14 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
24156 posts
Guess they were just in the Wong place at the Wong time.

In other news they've detected several Pings at the bottom of the ocean. The families have been notified and the funeral will be held next Tuesday.
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