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Range Rover crashes through motorcycle gang
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
2678 posts


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2438620/Shocking-video-Range-Rover-crashing-bikers-surround-vehicle-annual-street-ride.html

33-year-old Alexian Lien, was travelling with his wife and five-month-old child in New York City when he clashed with a pack of motorcyclists in his Range Rover on a Manhattan highway — which triggered a harrowing chase caught on a viral video — and has left one biker facing charges and a second in critical condition. Police said the gang pulled Lien out of the car and assaulted him in front of his wife and child, slashing his face and chest. He was treated and released from Columbia University Medical Center.

One biker, identified by police as Christopher Cruz, 23, of New Jersey, slowed down right in front of the SUV and gestured at Lien, who clipped the motorcycle, the video shows. Cruz, who was also injured, was charged with reckless endangerment, reckless driving, and endangering the welfare of a child for his actions on the road, officials told NBC New York. A third biker involved in the incident, who was sought by the NYPD after being caught on camera punching the window of the Range Rover, turned himself in on Tuesday, sources told NBC New York.

Edwin "Jay" Mieses, 32, could be paralyzed after being run over during the chaos, a relative said. “He was an innocent bystander,” Mieses’ aunt, Delilah Domenech, told NBC News on Tuesday, saying her nephew was checking on another motorcyclist when he was struck by the panicked motorist.


So what do you reckon, self-defense? hard to tell what they are doing when they surround him in the start of the video.
07:14pm 02/10/13 Permalink
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Internet
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07:14pm 02/10/13 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
6051 posts
It looked like one of the people on the bike was getting dangerously close to the car FROM THE FRONT. I say the bikers are at fault for riding like retards all over the road.
07:18pm 02/10/13 Permalink
d0mino
Melbourne, Victoria
5343 posts
f*** those biker jerks.
07:28pm 02/10/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
36577 posts
yer, lot of talk about this vid, i watched it the other day when it came out on liveleak and it was hard to say.

since then we've found out that the bikers were trying to clear traffic from the freeway, blocking exits and slowing cars.

poor old mate clipped a bike that was trying to slow him and then things have escalated form there, to the point where he was beaten in front of his family.

07:46pm 02/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4307 posts
there was a crash, i'd say that the 4wd owner got a little panicky and was looking around all freaked out, and missed the bike in front (which was slowing and had room well before the crash) but it wasn't nice riding (now if they all overtook from the same side it would have been better than this swaming thing)

then, the dude over re-acted? (dont know was was going on after everyone stop, but it didn't look agro) then he flipped out, and actively drove over someone (there was no attempt to move around) then s*** went down hill, and mob justice took hold

hope the driver also gets charged,
07:50pm 02/10/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
36578 posts
the driver had his 2 yo daughter and wife in the car, and he had bikers slashing his tyres and beating on his car to begin with.

i have no issue with him panicing and wanting to get out of there:
07:51pm 02/10/13 Permalink
Tyoson
Perth, Western Australia
186 posts
F*** the d*** heads. I'd ram em too. Hate people who ride around on motorbikes in gangs. I hate gangs in general. Should've hit em with a bull bar instead. It was an accidental collision and clearly the motorcyclists fault for stopping directly in front of the car. All motor bikes rammed by the car shouldn't have been stopped on the road, and the driver acted in self defense.
07:53pm 02/10/13 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
3338 posts
Bikers at fault based on the vid, driver should have reversed over them at the end too. F*** no you're letting them bash their way in.
08:06pm 02/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4308 posts
the driver had his 2 yo daughter and wife in the car, and he had bikers slashing his tyres and beating on his car to begin with.

i have no issue with him panicing and wanting to get out of there:



yeah, but I dont see that after the crash, most of the guys stayed on their bike, all I saw was one guy jump off to help the guy who had fallen, the rest all stopped, looked, and stayed on their bikes,

in fact, on forth watch, a few are starting to move on before old mate flips out


now I don't disagree that it was overkill in the old mob justice department, but still, the dude reacted pretty poorly and made nil effort to avoid causing injury
08:11pm 02/10/13 Permalink
DeadlyDav0
Brisbane, Queensland
4094 posts
I was driving back from gold coast one day and a big ass group of bikies drove past. I was in the left lane doing the right thing but these f***wits decided to pass either side of me and also cut in front of our car with f*** all breathing room.

I was scared s***less as our car is a little s***box and i knew if they clipped us something like OP's vid would probably happen.

With regards to OP, surely it would have been a smarter idea for the 4WD to sit and let the bikies do their f***wit thing. Deciding to plow thru them was just asking for them to chase n rape you.
08:16pm 02/10/13 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
8355 posts
That's f***ed up.
08:23pm 02/10/13 Permalink
Zakson
Gold Coast, Queensland
524 posts
So if I've understood correctly ... the cause is the bikers trying to take over the roads--something that they have no authority to do and could be understood as an intimidation tactic.

I would throw the book at the lot of them.
08:37pm 02/10/13 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
10745 posts
Obviously didn't own a Gun or was not armed and as such used the only weapon he had to defend himself and his Family.
Bikies turned up to a car fight with a bike.





08:46pm 02/10/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
14451 posts
Yes, adding a gun to this situation would have improved matters immeasurably.

F***ed up all round. Sympathise with the driver.
08:51pm 02/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4309 posts
what about the guy he ran over when he drove off?,


edit>>>> and you know what, change those motorbikes for pushbikes and 10 to 1 and it would be all this rage to the driver of the car.
09:04pm 02/10/13 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
10747 posts
if he pulled a gun, nobody needed to get hurt.
A stand-off and prolly cops arrive.
You don't have to fire a Gun for its power to be respected.

Where was the power in that situation ?
a young family in a car or 30 bikers ?

What would you have done Hog ?


09:49pm 02/10/13 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
7454 posts
well yes but that would obviously be a completely different situation so isn't worth speculating on.
09:51pm 02/10/13 Permalink
IncrEdible_vEgetable
Brisbane, Queensland
2483 posts
When I read the thread on my phone (without watching the video) I was thinking "bikers" as in Harley riding, bearded meth cookers with nothing to live for and a penchant for raping, murdering and littering.
Hell's Angels, Odin's Warrior's, The Banditos, The Comancheros, The Finks, The Granny Snuffers...you know, bikers (also known as bikies in Oz).
They were motorcycle enthusiasts. Jesus, the guy could have shouted them all a sports drink or a latte and they'd have a laugh about it later at the cafe.

If you were riding with a group of friends and some dude in a Range Rover (of all the f*****g cars it could be) knocked one of you off their bike and then drove OVER them and sped off, you'd probably give chase too. One or two guys were smashing the car, the rest probably had no idea there was a kid or exactly what happened etc.

Having said that, why would the "bikers" think it was ok to take over the road and basically act like they owned the joint? If they want to hold a large scale ride through an urban area get police permission and escorts etc. If a bunch of sports cars people were blocking traffic and corralling over drivers they'd be pulled over and booked. So why is it ok for "bikers"?

On a serious note though if they were threatening him and s*** was getting mad hectic and he had his kid in the car maybe the safest option was to get the f*** outta Dodge. Or jump into a praying mantis stance and hope they backed away slowly.

Hopefully everyone was ok...apart from the slash wounds and the paralysis and the critical condition...
09:54pm 02/10/13 Permalink
IncrEdible_vEgetable
Brisbane, Queensland
2484 posts
if he pulled a gun, nobody needed to get hurt. A stand-off and prolly cops arrive. You don't have to fire a Gun for its power to be respected.


Until all the "bikers" pull their guns and bam the kid and wife and a bunch of people are dead.

Obviously a troll but also a known gun supporter so just retarded all round imo.
09:56pm 02/10/13 Permalink
Mo
USA
126 posts
I read the police report on this. There was a male driver of the 4x4 with his wife and 5 yr old son. One of the riders brake checked him and the driver "bumped" into the bike. Causing no damage. When the driver stopped a few riders ran up to his wagon and open the door trying to get at the driver. That's where the vid starts. Noone died like the original liveleak title claimed. One rider did end up with a broken leg and the driver ended up with some minor head injuries. That happened after the vid stopped. The ride was an annual licensed or permitted event. But after the behavior of the bike riders the city has revoked the permit. I think the driver was 100% within his rights. i had some wanker on a bike try and brake check me about two months ago. He done it once and i thought it was just traffic. Then he looked at me and did it again.... I sped up, never saw a mans eyes go from beady to dinner plate size so quickly before.
10:08pm 02/10/13 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
6316 posts
Hell's Angels, Odin's Warrior's, The Banditos, The Comancheros, The Finks, The Granny Snuffers...you know, bikers (also known as bikies in Oz).


Oops, misread that at first and was confused that a motorcycle gang would call themselves The Granny Sniffers.
10:30pm 02/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4311 posts
I read the police report on this. There was a male driver of the 4x4 with his wife and 5 yr old son. One of the riders brake checked him and the driver "bumped" into the bike. Causing no damage. When the driver stopped a few riders ran up to his wagon and open the door trying to get at the driver. That's where the vid starts. Noone died like the original liveleak title claimed. One rider did end up with a broken leg and the driver ended up with some minor head injuries. That happened after the vid stopped. The ride was an annual licensed or permitted event. But after the behavior of the bike riders the city has revoked the permit. I think the driver was 100% within his rights. i had some wanker on a bike try and brake check me about two months ago. He done it once and i thought it was just traffic. Then he looked at me and did it again.... I sped up, never saw a mans eyes go from beady to dinner plate size so quickly before.



in that video, I didn't see a heap of guys get off their bikes, and try and open the boot (lame)
and while no one died, one guy is critical, and unlikely to walk again, cause a 4WD drove over him (that s*** doesn't tickle)
08:34am 03/10/13 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
3339 posts
One hell of a broken leg here, Mo.
09:29am 03/10/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
8160 posts
Everyone's making it out like the range rover driver is somehow in the wrong - and okay, maybe a little bit, but let's face it, he had a mob of bikers trying to block him in and slash his tyres after they deliberately brake checked him. Even this initial brake checking is seen plain as day on the video.

F*** them, he did the reasonable thing required to escape from a dangerous situation. They basically went looking for trouble and picked the wrong fight.
09:41am 03/10/13 Permalink
`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
4172 posts
If I had my kids in the car in that situation, I would have gotten the f*** out of there, if they blocked the road, I would have done exactly what the driver did.

I ride a motorbike and I never understand why a motorbike would pick a fight with a car, you are going to lose!

Don't pick a fight with a guy, who for one has a 4WD when you are on a bike and secondly, when he has his family in the car. He won't give a f*** about you.
09:50am 03/10/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
8161 posts
Good idea: Call the cops.

Bad idea: Try to surround car with 100 riders, open the car doors, slash the tyres, chase him for multiple minutes.
09:53am 03/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4313 posts
Everyone's making it out like the range rover driver is somehow in the wrong - and okay, maybe a little bit, but let's face it, he had a mob of bikers trying to block him in and slash his tyres after they deliberately brake checked him. Even this initial brake checking is seen plain as day on the video.

F*** them, he did the reasonable thing required to escape from a dangerous situation. They basically went looking for trouble and picked the wrong fight.



er, where is the proof of this slashing and bashing before he drove off????? he makes it sound like they all came over and attacked him before he flipped out, which is simply not the case

all the bikes stopped, one got off, the rest all stayed on their bikes, and made no movements towards the car

the guys on the bikes were d****, there was a bingle, and the car over-reacted, then it descended further
10:01am 03/10/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4512 posts
There is actually quit e a few videos floating around of this and the ones i have seen in the lead up to the event dont paint the bikers in a very good light
10:06am 03/10/13 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
131 posts
Good thread. I bet you saw the world arguing about this one.

I've seen different videos of the same bunch of people riding around, punching cars, riding on footpaths, doing whatever they want.

I'd run them over too. If anything, it's unfortunate he didn't hit more of the f***en idiots.
10:10am 03/10/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
36583 posts
yer, theres a heap of vids on liveleak that they have taken down from yuotubes making them look bad
10:12am 03/10/13 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
21156 posts
I don't get why he exited off the highway and onto smaller streets where he'd get stuck in traffic. Wouldn't you just stay on the highway and call the cops and be all "Hi, I'm being chased by a group of bikers down the highway" instead of exiting off and stopping at traffic lights?
10:13am 03/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4314 posts
which event taipan?
where the bikes swam the car,
there is a bing cause one of the bikers was being a d***,
they all stop,
one guy gets off to help the fallen rider,
then the 4wd drives over him
the chase
or the beating?
10:15am 03/10/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
36584 posts
apparnelty he was on the phone to the cops the whole time.
10:18am 03/10/13 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
133 posts
yer, theres a heap of vids on liveleak that they have taken down from yuotubes making them look bad

One of the clips the camera guy was riding along, then a few bikes to the side of him stop. He looks over and you see 2 bikers blocking the front of a car (no helmets 'murica) while a third punches the window and mirrors. Once the guy doing the punching felt happy with his work, they allow the car to leave. Within 20 seconds the same camera guy is on the footpath going what looks like ~80-90km/h, for a distance of several hundred meters.
10:19am 03/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4315 posts
that was after the guy was run over ph33x
10:21am 03/10/13 Permalink
baz
Victoria
29 posts
The driver shouldn't have driven off, there was absolutely no chance he would have been able to get away from the bikers.
I'm not saying I disagree completely with what he did but best course of action would have been to stay put and throw money at them. Running over them was stupid and could have ensured his whole family were gonna die. He was just lucky they were rice burner bikers and not granny sniffers I guess. The Range Rover would have got hung up on a Harley anyway.
10:25am 03/10/13 Permalink
Jim
UK
13326 posts
I love faceman's scenarios where everything's dreamy and works out well because someone had a gun - they are f*****g hilarious and provide an amusing insight into the way he thinks
10:30am 03/10/13 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
135 posts
that was after the guy was run over ph33x

I'm not talking about this clip, copuis, as I mentioned earlier.
10:34am 03/10/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4513 posts
Before the guy drove over them copius. The dudes on bikes were being f***wits
11:44am 03/10/13 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
6317 posts
I love faceman's scenarios where everything's dreamy and works out well because someone had a gun


I picture the guy from the SUV and the 100 bikers at 50 paces, with The Good, the Bad and the Ugly theme song in the background.
11:47am 03/10/13 Permalink
3dee
Brisbane, Queensland
7105 posts
Riders "brake checking" drivers behind them sounds like a douchey idea in the first place.
12:06pm 03/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4318 posts
Before the guy drove over them copius. The dudes on bikes were being f***wits


that i dont disagree with at all, however the drivers actions are far in excess of what was warranted, (and then the reactions of the bikers again)
12:14pm 03/10/13 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1097 posts
I love faceman's scenarios where everything's dreamy and works out well because someone had a gun - they are f*****g hilarious and provide an amusing insight into the way he thinks


I know right. You have a hand gun (and maybe 20 bullets) and your car is surrounded by 100 dudes. Waving it around can only end well.
12:24pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
21552 posts
There's another link from that liveleak site with those ass-hat bikers riding around without a care in the world putting people at risk. lol

linkies

Looks like they had it coming to them so I wouldn't be donating anything. Not that I would anyway because that's how I roll.
12:45pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1502 posts
however the drivers actions are far in excess of what was warranted,
No, no they were not in excess.
http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/wifebikegang.jpg

If you've watched the video I dare say this missing front right tyre comes from the very first incident. Because the second incident nobody approaches that side of the car.
It's bare rim, he had to have been on that flat for awhile.

Also note the passenger side window is smashed, the second stopping @ ~4:55ish nobody is on that side that close and no noise or attack can be seen.
Nobody on that side just as they stop the car the final time either. Further indicating the tyres and window were damaged more than likely originally.

oh I just noticed this quote from police too.
"Lien was eventually forced to exit at West 178th Street in Washington Heights because his tires were so badly damaged, police said."

So the driver acted in self defense. Surrounded he created his own path of escape. It's not like he turned around and tried to run them all over head on afterwards or start shooting. He did what was necessary to remove himself from the situation and then the bikes kept going.
Even by our laws if that happened here the driver was still justified.
01:30pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
3340 posts
01:51pm 03/10/13 Permalink
redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
1103 posts
Not sure who to hate more, the bikies or the 4WD driver.
02:06pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
36587 posts
pssst: its the bikies.
02:07pm 03/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4319 posts
No, no they were not in excess. http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/wifebikegang.jpgIf you've watched the video I dare say this missing front right tyre comes from the very first incident. Because the second incident nobody approaches that side of the car.It's bare rim, he had to have been on that flat for awhile.Also note the passenger side window is smashed, the second stopping @ ~4:55ish nobody is on that side that close and no noise or attack can be seen.Nobody on that side just as they stop the car the final time either. Further indicating the tyres and window were damaged more than likely originally.oh I just noticed this quote from police too."Lien was eventually forced to exit at West 178th Street in Washington Heights because his tires were so badly damaged, police said."So the driver acted in self defense. Surrounded he created his own path of escape. It's not like he turned around and tried to run them all over head on afterwards or start shooting. He did what was necessary to remove himself from the situation and then the bikes kept going.Even by our laws if that happened here the driver was still justified.



really dude, this was after he'd run over one of them, and there had been a chase, the missing tyre, HE RAN OVER A BIKE, pretty sure there is countless way they tyre could have gone flat first

now, as I have said before, the bikers actions were excessive too, but the driver isn't entirely blameless, he might well have put someone in a chair ffs, and why, because he got a little scared, or he was a c***, either way he made no attempt to drive around the problem at the beginning
02:10pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1503 posts
I'm convinced now you are just a bad troll
QED
02:29pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4514 posts
that i dont disagree with at all, however the drivers actions are far in excess of what was warranted, (and then the reactions of the bikers again)


Mate i almost always side with average everyday bike riders. However in this the dude in the car had his missus and kid with him so i cant blame him for getting a bit freaked out. I wouldnt have liked it either
02:36pm 03/10/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
17502 posts
so it turns out the biker that got paralyzed, shouldn't have even been on the road.

Though Mieses is a Massachusetts resident, he has never had a valid Massachusetts driver’s license for a passenger vehicle and has never applied for a motorcycle license, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said.

Registry records show that Mieses applied for a learner’s permit in 1999 and 2000, but that he never obtained a full license because he failed to pay fines imposed after he was ticketed for speeding in Lawrence in 1999. His last contact with the Registry was in 2001, when he obtained an identification card, registry records show.

Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.

In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show.
02:39pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
21554 posts
If you are still a fan of those bikers maybe this would be a nice read for you...
As a trucker that would deliver in north jersey and New York I am familiar with these gangs. I can hopefully clarify a few things. First the initial "accident" is part of a game they play. They ride in a huge group and will operate together to slow down traffic. Next they pick out high end vehicles targeting people with families in them, the targets will usually be white or Asian. Then one of the riders will do a "brake check" and stop suddenly in front of the target vehicle causing a minor bump. In some cases they will just roll back into their target vehicle.

They will then mob the vehicle demanding money and or begin attacking the person inside. It is their practice to also slash the tires to prevent the vehicle from escaping. Truckers are well aware of them and are advised not to stop. You can clearly see in the video how they are well practiced in this style of attack. The police in NY have backed off them after an officer ran one down using his vehicle a few months back. The video was all over the net so I advise you to check it out.

These "bikers" ride dirt bikes and sport bikes very few of which are street legal and even fewer have plates. They run red lights, stop signs, and have no regard for the law. If you are ever in this situation do not stop, immediately call the police and do whatever you have to to keep them from boxing you in. NEVER leave the scene of an accident if you are not under direct threat!!! Only run if you have no other choice, and again immediately call the police. This is not rare by any means, the only reason this incident got any attention is because of the helmet cam video being posted on the net. If you see anyone in this situation, call the police. Make no mistake confusing these punks with true bikers. You will rarely if ever see a member of these gangs on a Harley.

Do not for a minute blame true bikers for this kind of behavior. Bikers like those involved in the 2 million Bikers to DC Rally are American Patriots and would be among the first to come to your aid. A final note, always be aware of motorcycles and share the road. Check your mirrors and don't ride anyone's bumper, motorcycles have a much smaller profile then a car and are harder to see.
03:01pm 03/10/13 Permalink
DeadlyDav0
Brisbane, Queensland
4096 posts
Got link rev?

I love faceman's scenarios where everything's dreamy and works out well because someone had a gun

Yeah i loled.
04:41pm 03/10/13 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
4100 posts
wtf is brake checking? and what does it achieve? first I ever heard of it.
06:30pm 03/10/13 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1098 posts
If someone is tailgating you quickly stomp the breaks.

On a motorcycle it seems like a great way to have a fatal accident.
06:37pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
3342 posts
Brake check is simply jumping on the brakes in front of someone, usually when they don't expect it, it's most common in racing afaik. But yea you clearly see the guy stab the brakes. Pretty dumb to do it to a 4WD.
06:43pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
36597 posts
wtf is brake checking? and what does it achieve? first I ever heard of it.


lulz
06:44pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Viper119
Other International
2202 posts
Nobody puts baby in a corner!

Pretty hard to defend the bikies I think, especially with the new evidence and Rev's quotes.

Plus, I absolutely understand, and would likely do the same as the driver, you've got your family in the car and a gang of bikies are giving you trouble, pretty scary imo and you wouldn't be thinking straight.

Who are those two good Samaritans standing over him kind of preventing the bikies from continuing to bash him?
07:00pm 03/10/13 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
143 posts
I'm convinced now you are just a bad troll
QED

Starting to think the same thing.

---

Even the rear door of the car is open, them kids must be pretty scared.

Oh and it takes a bunch of seriously tough c**** to 5 on 1 a guy while they're all wearing helmets. Dogs all over.
07:11pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
22219 posts
wouldn't have happened if he'd just bought a jeep
07:11pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Pablitos Way
Melbourne, Victoria
11 posts
Would like to see if they have footage of the actual beating the driver received. Honestly, if I was in the drivers seat I would have probably been scared s***less!
08:08pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
14396 posts
I'm backing the car driver on this one. Those Bikers had it coming, poor driver.
08:23pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Fade2Black
Brisbane, Queensland
5231 posts
Copius and Redhat just made my "too dumb to live" list by either defending the bikies or being torn between who was more in the wrong.....
08:28pm 03/10/13 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10718 posts
9 out of 10 motorbike riders give the rest a bad name.
08:48pm 03/10/13 Permalink
spiral_out
Brisbane, Queensland
2536 posts
They are definitely not bikers or bikies. lulz.
Jap crap tinker toys deserve to be run over.
09:39pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Mo
USA
127 posts
They are definitely not bikers or bikies. lulz.Jap crap tinker toys deserve to be run over.

That is true. People in real bikie gangs wouldn't be caught dead on one.
For all those who thought that they were just lil innocent bikers out for a ride here is all the footage leading up to what happened.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664
Obviously a full on pack of wankers.
10:06pm 03/10/13 Permalink
Jim
UK
13328 posts
there are no bike riders or car drivers or pedestrians or cyclists, there's just people
and some of them are idiots
11:38pm 03/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4322 posts
Copius and Redhat just made my "too dumb to live" list by either defending the bikies or being torn between who was more in the wrong.....


i think you missed my point,

I not defending the the actions of the bike riders, i'm mearly pointing out that the driver is not without fault

here is a quote as to why he gas it
As several got off their bikes and menacingly approached the vehicle, the panicked dad hit the gas and ran over several bikes and one biker, breaking his legs and leaving him paralyzed from the waist down.


this seems to be at odds with the video
03:24am 04/10/13 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7825 posts
reminds me of the statement the head of the Navy put out years ago about illegal fishing..

he are not going to shoot people over a few fish...

so they slow him down.. that justifies him trying to kill them?

If I had of seen that I would have been the guy at the end trying to smash his window with my helmet...
07:19am 04/10/13 Permalink
3dee
Brisbane, Queensland
7106 posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nqTbaNZMyU

What a f*****g idiot he must feel like.
07:26am 04/10/13 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
21556 posts
LOL

Bike vs car will lose every time.
07:43am 04/10/13 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1506 posts
i think you missed my point,

I not defending the the actions of the bike riders, i'm mearly pointing out that the driver is not without fault

here is a quote as to why he gas it
You are missing the point entirely.
If a group of people surrounds someone or directly approaches even without direct action it's called a show of force. It's a threatening display and that is its intent.

The only way within the law this guy would have been wrong was if he reversed or kept his side of the attack going. He did not. He used necessary force (one man against over 100+ potential threats) to remove himself and his family from a significant threat whether real or perceived. Given the car didn't just immediately plow through them and it was coincidentally when a few of the bike riders happened to be in very close proximity to the vehicle that it sped off then its pretty obvious direct threats or actions were most likely taken.
You do realise within the law, even Australian law you are allowed to escalate the state of violence in self defence if the odds are stacked against you. That is to say, you are allowed to pummel someone with a baseball bat or knife or gun if they only have their fists if hat person is built like Ronnie Coleman and you're a stick figure keyboard warrior then the law does not expect you to go fisticuffs. That is ridiculous and simply not the case.
Does that mean you won't be charged? No of course not, of course you will be charged the police have to charge someone but that doesn't mean conviction.

Now, what other options did you see for this guy? Get out and exchange insurance details and talk it through with 1000 bikies after they instigated road rage. No, sorry but this guy used necessary force to remove himself from the situation. The law [Australian] does not expect you to put yourself in harms way or be directly hurt before you are allowed to defend yourself.

I believe you are a troll copius or you are displaying some severe flaws in your logical cognitive process.

When 9/10th of the world disagrees with you copius (read all the comments on FB page and liveleak comments etc).
AND when the United States Police make statements disagreeing with you, you need to start asking yourself.. Maybe I am wrong.

Christopher Cruz, 28, of Passaic, New Jersey, was freed on $US1500 bond on Wednesday on misdemeanor charges of reckless driving and unlawful imprisonment.
07:53am 04/10/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
36607 posts
so they slow him down.. that justifies him trying to kill them?


yer bro, tahts totally all they were doing!
08:02am 04/10/13 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7827 posts
they slow people down all the time.. now show me the video of them killing people

usually the people they are slowing down are driving like d*******s to begin with

this a****** deserved what he got.. the fact he was driving like a douche before the incident with his 2y/o in the car proves my point..

08:40am 04/10/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
36609 posts
so you wouldnt feel threated with a gang of goodness knows how many motorbike idiots breaking the road rules, surrounding your wife and 2yo child and acting lawlessly?
08:42am 04/10/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
36610 posts
ps: if you actually believe what you wrote, you're an idiot.
08:43am 04/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4323 posts
so you wouldnt feel threated with a gang of goodness knows how many motorbike idiots breaking the road rules, surrounding your wife and 2yo child and acting lawlessly?



nope, if there was a hit on a bike because the biker was being a d*******, all the bikes would stop, yes they were in a group, but in the video only one person got off their bike, the rest stand on their bikes where they had stopped

chances are they would have done some name calling and rode off, (and you can see some of the bikes starting to move away right before the 4wd drives off/over someone)

do I condone that shot of riding before the bingle, no it was the stupid actions of future organ donors

do I condone the actions after the bingle but before the accident (the guy driving over someone) truth be told, they are normal actions, if a heap of people are driving, and see an accident, they stop, this was the same thing. other than one guy getting off his bike to help the d******* who brake checked not one of them got off their bikes, the car driver was safe he could have stayed in the car, called the cops, and chances are most of the guys would have ridden off (which you could see was about to happen)

do I condone the drivers actions, No, his actions were excessive to the nature of what was going on around him imo, yes he had his was and child in the car, but his actions brought more risk to them than staying put

do I condone the bikers chasing him, yes he (the driver) committed a crime, (after the bikers had done a few themselves), however the actions over and above following the dude, completely uncalled for


any of the bikers that chased, and hit the car should be charged.
any of the guy that assaulted the driver should be charged
the driver should be charged


ask this, does anyone here think that there would have been any harm to the guy had he just stayed put, called 911 gotten the police, and maybe an ambo to the scene, recorded the plates (if any) of the bike? I for one doubt it
09:13am 04/10/13 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1508 posts
F***, you live in a fantasy world copious. Go home man, you're drunk.
You aren't actually a troll like superform, that's the embarrassing thing for you.

You make a lot of assumptions against the evidence provided and against the united states police department statements.

They committed and were charged with unlawful imprisonment for a start.
Secondly, the brake check bike never actually fell off, there was nobody to help. No reason to get off a bike other than to commit violence or further threat.

With such sterling display of intellectual capacity copius you should try out for the next bachelorette. Evidently you don't have a family to have an empathetic clue to the situation so it might be a good start for you.
09:34am 04/10/13 Permalink
baz
Victoria
32 posts
He should have stayed put and got his wallet out.
After he bumped into the tyre of the first bike he was always going to have repercussions. Running over one of them was like smashing a bees nest.
09:41am 04/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4324 posts
man, i'm going by the video, there was one guy ONE that got off his bike, the rest stopped where they stopped, they make no movements toward the car before he drove off

it seems other are making assumptions past on the actions AFTER the driver drove over someone

watch the video again, see if you can see any bashing of windows, and guys (multiple) jumping off bike to be all threatening

you can't, why, cause it didn't happen

if your actions are based on what might happen (like they might have tried to beat him up) then this sort of s*** happens

trey von martin (or whatever his name was) looked threatening to that old white guy, but old whities actions were not justifiable, same with the driver
09:44am 04/10/13 Permalink
DeadlyDav0
Brisbane, Queensland
4103 posts
Be calm guys, who gives a f***.

Save the anger for passionate threads like ur politics/boat people/racism/global warming/guns etc.
09:45am 04/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4325 posts
Be calm guys, who gives a f***. Save the anger for passionate threads like ur politics/boat people/racism/global warming/guns etc.


I threw in a little whitie gun reference, does that help?
09:48am 04/10/13 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1510 posts
I'm not even going to argue you with you copius.

If you are that stupid to argue against the statements made by the police department involved in the incident. And against such charges as unlawful imprisonment but still think these guys who couldn't even have their ride sanctioned by the police department because of numerous incidences on previous rides/meets of this group and STILL think they were angels who just stopped to exchange details then there is no hope for you.

I'm sure the driver of the car has just been holding up all this pent up homicidal rage all these years and was just itching for the perfect 'get of jail' free card to kill someone.
09:52am 04/10/13 Permalink
Keato
Melbourne, Victoria
578 posts
there are no bike riders or car drivers or pedestrians or cyclists, there's just people
and some of them are idiots


Holy s***, when did Jim become Yoda..
09:52am 04/10/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
17506 posts
to speak backwards, he must still learn.
09:57am 04/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4326 posts
idiots some of them are, yes
people they all are, see
09:58am 04/10/13 Permalink
Keato
Melbourne, Victoria
579 posts
COPING WHO F*** IT IS
09:59am 04/10/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
14456 posts
man, i'm going by the video, there was one guy ONE that got off his bike, the rest stopped where they stopped, they make no movements toward the car before he drove off

lol your retard is showing

The other hundred+ bikes who stopped were just bystanders for sure. No real or perceived threat.
10:38am 04/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4329 posts
lol your retard is showingThe other hundred+ bikes who stopped were just bystanders for sure. No real or perceived threat.



they stopped, and then made no movement toward the car, or to block the car, they stopped were they stopped. then you see a few of them getting ready to move on before the driver flips out, yup, that is so clearly threatening actions that warrant running over a dude


now up until he drove over the guy, 100% on his side, but without warning he actively drove over another human, and there is nothing in the actions of the bikers till that point that honestly justifies that reaction. any normal person, threatened or otherwise would at minimum honk, make his intentions to leave because he doesn't feel safe known, but he didn't, more than likely the guy was angry, not scared, and drove over the guy out of anger, not fear, yes it was sad that he was beaten, worse was that his wife was put thru that (the little one was most likely unaware, and unlikely to remember)
11:11am 04/10/13 Permalink
Snakeman
Queensland
906 posts
more than likely the guy was angry, not scared


Nah dude, I reckon he felt s****cared for the safety of his wife and kid. I know I would even if everything was quite and cool at the time. Seeing those guys in numbers like that would be very intimidating. His wife was probably s****cared and screaming in his ear to get the f*** out of there. So he did.
11:17am 04/10/13 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1099 posts
Meh I'd probably have done something similar. They clearly surrounded the car and then slowed it to a stop. I can't imagine the dude who went up to the car, who as best I can see, wasn't the guy who break checked, had anything nice to say.

They went out of their way to intimidate the driver and he reacted. He may have over reacted, but 100+ people who are all obviously affiliated stopping around your car, is clearly intended as a threat not concern over a potential accident.

Some d******* gang member not being able to walk is not something I'm gonna lose any sleep over.
11:22am 04/10/13 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
6059 posts
I miss CHUB, I bet he would have said something along the lines of:

"I would have gotten out of my car with my bat and knife and started swinging and stabbing".
11:41am 04/10/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
36613 posts
more than likely the guy was angry, not scared

i would have been s*** scared.

to the point where id do something crazy to get out of there. (ie run over someones bike, or person)
12:07pm 04/10/13 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
151 posts
The driver should be commended.



He used his 4WD like a real 4WD. In all honesty, that's probably as much angle that car will ever see.
01:24pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4516 posts
The driver should be commended.He used his 4WD like a real 4WD. In all honesty, that's probably as much angle that car will ever see.



And there you have it, finally some justification for having 4WD in a city. People have been looking for the answer to that question for a very long time :-)
02:36pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
21558 posts
If I was there I would have casually got out of the car and asked who was their leader. When he comes forward I would have shot him in the head with my glock. Then I would have asked who's next but by then they would have all left because they were so scared.
04:58pm 04/10/13 Permalink
r3wind69
Sydney, New South Wales
5 posts
To those defending the bikers, did you even -watch- the video?

The douchebag that instigated it BREAK CHECKED the SUV driver in the middle of 1 of New York's busiest highways whilst having all his boys surrounding the truck.

He purposefully hit his breaks to check the driver just to provoke an altercation. The SUV driver stopped immediately, and what happens next? The crew stops and surrounds him. He has his wife and his young child in the car. He didn't just plow on through. He came to a halt, and the gang enveloped he and his family. So what did he do? He floored it just to get out of there and minimise the danger his family was in. He didn't try to smash through as many as he could. He made a clear exit and skedaddled.

This is the States, remember, not Bondi. A lot of the articles have misconstrued things and published incorrect information. Some articles mentioned that the instigator was left with a broken leg. No, he was power walking out of court. He started it all and now his friend is paralysed, comatose and possibly worse.

This is just another case of douchebags being jacked up on each other's c**** and thinking they're macho as f***. It makes me sick that people want to defend their behaviour. They smashed his window in, in front of his wife and baby, dragged him out and sliced him up. Yep, they're definitely upstanding citizens.

tl;dr - Although the most injured was not the instigator, he was more than happy to put the SUV driver's family in danger purely because he was high on being a douchebag with friends.
06:26pm 04/10/13 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
20640 posts
I saw it on Liveleak and thought the driver was wreckless.
06:43pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
2685 posts
Sucks that that guy was certainly paralyzed now then. I'm not sure what I would have done in that situations but IMO the drivers behaviour was reasonable given the circumstances. Just look at the videos of their horrible driving throughout the day. If they drive like a pack of dogs I'm sure they're aggressive in the same way

this space for rent.

06:51pm 04/10/13 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4770 posts
Man, you just have to respect how unstoppable those Range Rovers are eh.
07:19pm 04/10/13 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
10752 posts
Its no Canyonero.
07:52pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Jason
Brisbane, Queensland
5 posts
a hundred million bikers to pull one driver up seems a bit excessive to me, of course he's going to panic
08:25pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Zakson
Gold Coast, Queensland
529 posts
CNN Article

"His motorcycle was struck, and he stood right there," Cruz's attorney H. Benjamin Perez said. "He never assaulted this man. He never tried to assault him in any way. And he does not know any of the other motorcyclists who were involved in this beating."

Seems legit.

His wife, Dayana, told CNN affiliate WBZ that Mieses got off his bike to help the SUV driver.

"And whatever he did, he got scared, he peeled off, and he paralyzed my husband on the way," she said.

Seems double legit.
08:38pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
3345 posts
^^ Hahahaha yea that's the ticket.
08:42pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Nukleuz
Perth, Western Australia
374 posts
I'll bet that guy ain't as screwed as the bloke who did an illegal turn while DUI in Claremont today taking out three plain clothed coppers (detectives) while he was at it.
09:03pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Viper119
Other International
2203 posts
We've all seen Mad Max, for all the driver knew they were gonna murder him and rape/murder his wife and child.

With the way they ride and act like inconsiderate d****, they deserve their injuries and charges.

I look forward to a Law & Order episode about it.
09:09pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Nukleuz
Perth, Western Australia
376 posts
With the way they ride and act like inconsiderate d****, they deserve their injuries and charges.


No one deserves to be paralysed. Personally I'd rather be dead knowing that paralysis means s***ting and pissing yourself for the rest of your life.
09:14pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
36619 posts
wearing a nappy is the worst thing in the world?
09:17pm 04/10/13 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
158 posts
Nothing a c*** ring and buttplug can't fix.
09:25pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1515 posts
means s***ting and pissing yourself for the rest of your life.
Actually it doesn't.
Bowel is trainable to go like clockwork.
09:37pm 04/10/13 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4771 posts
Actually it doesn't.Bowel is trainable to go like clockwork.


My bowel goes like clockwork when a gang of bikes is after my blood. Its like every 20 seconds on the dot!
09:50pm 04/10/13 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
10753 posts
You cant judge the decision based on what happened after it.
He didn't 'take the drive-thru' to paralyse a rider.
He felt his life and possibly his family was under threat from a large amount of people behaving in a threatening manner.

Americans still believe in the Right to defend yourself and your Family.
No American jury will find against him.

10:09pm 04/10/13 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10722 posts
Breaking news! Leaked pics of the new Range Rover terrain settings
http://i.imgur.com/t7WmUCZ.jpg
10:13pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Zakson
Gold Coast, Queensland
530 posts
Thanks, hardware, now I'm a bad person.
10:51pm 04/10/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
36621 posts
I miss CHUB, I bet he would have said something along the lines of:


where is little chub? havent seen much of him lately.

mite have got his off the grid living arrangements up 5 years early!?
05:58am 05/10/13 Permalink
trillion
Brisbane, Queensland
3317 posts
isn't this one of those jury duty traps?

why does the mob always fish for witnesses when the monster truck deranged rover was just doing what it was (well now we kinda have proof) engineered for?

**trollol
06:57am 05/10/13 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
21559 posts
Maybe Chubs' parachute didn't open?
07:04am 05/10/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4331 posts
Breaking news! Leaked pics of the new Range Rover terrain settings
http://i.imgur.com/t7WmUCZ.jpg



and there will be a warning in the manual

*bike mode only god for the type of bike likely to be in the fast and the furious, not the sons of anarchy, riding over the later will most likely result in death
08:44am 05/10/13 Permalink
WirlWind
Central Coast, New South Wales
1001 posts
No one deserves to be paralysed. Personally I'd rather be dead knowing that paralysis means s***ting and pissing yourself for the rest of your life.


But just think, you can get fat disability cheques while spending your days playing CoD yo.
10:05am 05/10/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4517 posts
But just think, you can get fat disability cheques while spending your days playing CoD yo.


You already have a disability if you are playing COD.
10:36am 05/10/13 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1100 posts
Nobody deserves to paralyzed but you can put the chances in your favor, by you know not trying to mug a SUV owner by standing in front of his SUV.
11:25am 05/10/13 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
164 posts
http://www.myfoxny.com/story/23603536/biker-injured-in-ny-recently-arrested-in-mass

Edwin Mieses Jr., of Lawrence, Mass., was struck on Sunday. He broke both legs and suffered a spine injury that his family says will leave him paralyzed.

According to police and Massachusetts motor vehicle records, Mieses hasn't had a valid license or permit to drive in the state since 1999. He also never applied for a motorcycle license.

It isn't clear if he had been licensed in any other state.

He was arrested most recently on May 24 in Andover, Mass., and has had dozens of other violations.

His attorney had no comment.
05:46pm 05/10/13 Permalink
Nukleuz
Perth, Western Australia
377 posts
What an angel! His parents should be proud.
08:53pm 05/10/13 Permalink
baz
Victoria
46 posts
has had dozens of other violations.

The irony is breathtaking don't you think.
10:09pm 05/10/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4518 posts
The funniest s*** so far is that it's come to light that 5 off duty cops were riding in that pack. I'll take a wild guess that they may have seen more of the incident than copious did watching that video.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=655_1380962665&use_old_player=0
11:38pm 05/10/13 Permalink
Crakaveli
6385 posts
oh he didnt have a license? he deserves to be paralyzed for that.
09:54am 06/10/13 Permalink
Zakson
Gold Coast, Queensland
531 posts
oh he didnt have a license? he deserves to be paralyzed for that.

Yeah because that's ALL that was wrong with him...
11:48am 06/10/13 Permalink
cherocha
Queensland
77 posts
Yeah because that's ALL that was wrong with him...

You sound like you're trying to say that some criminal offenses, the details of which you don't know, justifies him having been paralysed. Not defending the bikers, they acted like d*******s, but paralysis is a really messed up result.
12:11pm 06/10/13 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
21561 posts
oh he didnt have a license? he deserves to be paralyzed for that

No. If he wasn't busy being a general f***wit to society he'd still be walking around.
12:33pm 06/10/13 Permalink
Zakson
Gold Coast, Queensland
532 posts
You sound like you're trying to say that some criminal offenses, the details of which you don't know, justifies him having been paralysed. Not defending the bikers, they acted like d*******s, but paralysis is a really messed up result.

I agree. I was pointing out that there was more wrong with him than just not having a licence, which seems to be what Crak was saying.
02:59pm 06/10/13 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
169 posts
If his friends didn't hound the car, and instead followed the law by calling the police, he'd still be walking around.

If he didn't pull up in front of a car on a highway with the purpose of blocking it, he'd still be walking around.

If he stayed at the back of the pack like the other 150+ people, he'd still be walking around.

If he'd stopped riding bikes on the road because he didn't have a license, he'd still be walking around.



I hope this sets a legal precedence. This way if a bike rider annoys me, I can simply run him over and call defence.
03:03pm 06/10/13 Permalink
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Brisbane, Queensland
141 posts
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08:52pm 06/10/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
14464 posts
You don't have to stop and render aid if you fear for your safety you idiot.
09:45pm 06/10/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
14405 posts

like here, in the US you are required by law to stop and aid at the site of a road crash,


Pretty sure you are required to stop and give aid if you make contact. You can walk on by if you don't make contact, you'd be a prick, but its OK. So if you hit someone, you've made contact. If someone else is hit and you saw it, you don't have to give aid. You are a witness though and that might have implications.
09:57pm 06/10/13 Permalink
Keato
Melbourne, Victoria
585 posts
I played out this scenario in GT5 on the weekend, found a bunch of motorbike guys, ran off found me a 4wd and drove over them all. I can confirm by the ensuing police chase that I was at fault.

That proves that the 4wd guy was at fault.

So this thread can now die in peace, you are all welcome.
10:47am 07/10/13 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4774 posts
Thanks Dalts ;)
10:52am 07/10/13 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
6063 posts
ahaha keato
11:09am 07/10/13 Permalink
RuleofBooKz
Other International
112 posts
Keato you did it all wrong so of course the cops chased you.

What you need to do is run off and find a 4WD in your garage because you own it and then drive along a freeway in a legal law abiding no speeding fashion until you are suddenly surrounded by many (seriously it looked like a 50 bikes at one stage) bikes who thru wild and illegal driving, such as driving all over the road and just stopping in the middle of the road for no reason they eventually force you to stop. After you are stopped, still in the middle of the road, one of them jumps off his bike and walks towards you in a somewhat threatening manner.

Im sure if the above happened in GTA5 you would already be shooting people by this stage.
04:49pm 07/10/13 Permalink
baz
Victoria
58 posts
oh he didnt have a license? he deserves to be paralyzed for that.


The irony being that he clearly rides like a f***wit, yet he gets paralysed when he is stopped.
08:16pm 07/10/13 Permalink
Enska
Sydney, New South Wales
2086 posts
Hahaha, way to get all serious about Keato's funny as s*** comment.
08:27pm 07/10/13 Permalink
RuleofBooKz
Other International
114 posts
Keato post was funny wasn't it

But you have it backwards. i hope i wont have to get thousands of posts into my count before you start to "get me" because "all serious" and "playing along with the joke" are not very similar

im sure its all just part of the "hi im new" thing and its best to clear up misunderstandings as they happen
02:25am 08/10/13 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
178 posts
I can safely say I speak for everyone here by now:

Shut up rules, stop being a total and complete spastic. Put your fedora back on and 'ava gigl wif us m8.
02:19pm 08/10/13 Permalink
Mo
USA
131 posts
You don't have to stop and render aid if you fear for your safety you idiot.

True. If they tried to drag him out of the car because he "bumped" into one of the gang who brake checked him. Just imagine what they would do if he ran over one. They would probably drag him out of the car slash his face with a knife and kick him out.
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