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My new car!
Mantra
Crusty old man
Brisbane, Queensland
2417 posts
I got a new car, pick it up tomorrow. Crappy phone camera photos....
http://mantra.qgl.org/pics/q7front.jpg
http://mantra.qgl.org/pics/q7side.jpg
It is most sexy.
12:49am 31/03/09 Permalink
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12:49am 31/03/09 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
11809 posts
sweet car! it's no x6 but it still looks sexc.
12:50am 31/03/09 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
2772 posts
bmw has been making fuglies lately, x6, 5 series gt ... :/

oh and nice, what engine is it? i was suprised to see how many of the v8's there are all over europe with fuel prices so high here

last edited by Infidel at 23:58:18 30/Mar/09
12:56am 31/03/09 Permalink
Mantra
Crusty old man
Brisbane, Queensland
2418 posts
It's the 3.0 TDI. I didn't even know it was diesel till the guy told me when I was driving it. So quiet and smooth, feels like it has one long gear or something.
01:11am 31/03/09 Permalink
sLaps_Forehead
Brisbane, Queensland
4161 posts
Jebus how much did that cost?
01:18am 31/03/09 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
2773 posts
Yeah the recent diesels are really awesome, couple of weeks ago did a roadtrip to Austria in a 335xi and got to drive across a bit of unlimited autobahn and damn it was a nice drive. It felt weird not having the reviness of a petrol beamer i'm used to but the acceleration seemed stronger (even though its just a tad slower than the petrol).
01:21am 31/03/09 Permalink
The GuVna
Brisbane, Queensland
815 posts
That looks like the perfect vehicle to pick children up from soccer.










:)
02:04am 31/03/09 Permalink
MatchFixer
Brisbane, Queensland
643 posts
Tell me you bought the Range Rover? i mean i know it's not in the center of the picture n all but there's still slight a chance...
02:27am 31/03/09 Permalink
Bah
Brisbane, Queensland
3241 posts
That looks like the perfect vehicle to pick children up from soccer.
Just put a "free candy" sign on the side and you're set.
03:17am 31/03/09 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
24649 posts
i know what mantra spent his ruddbux on!
05:59am 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9476 posts
asif range rover :(
nice one mantra

and the reason it felt like it had one long gear was cos of the torque spread, there's no need for it to drop down a gear and rev it's tits off as much when you put your foot down a bit

08:57am 31/03/09 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
9565 posts
sounds boring
09:00am 31/03/09 Permalink
orbitor
Brisbane, Queensland
7900 posts
nice boat!
09:27am 31/03/09 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
4886 posts
Heh, I looked at that car on the weekend!

It's at Zupps Prestige (I think that was the dealer) on Logan Road, Mt Gravatt area?

Had no intention of buying it but had a look as I was scouting other options.

Our car was smashed up good and proper last week :(
09:31am 31/03/09 Permalink
3dee
Brisbane, Queensland
3338 posts
New cars ftmfw. I'm saving for a new car, but by that I actually mean a 10 year old VT commo... Damn you (relatively) old people and your abundance of car funds :(

But in another respect, new cars ftl. I drive an 87 VL wagon and a mate gave me a drive of his '07 XR6 turbo and the visibility in those things is f***ed. Pillars are thick and go right across your turning vision, and the ass sticks up in the air so you can't see s*** when reversing. Not to mention dashboards are fkn huge in new cars. You could fit another row of seats in the space that dashes take up these days.

But then again, I've never owned a new car.
09:38am 31/03/09 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
9566 posts
lol vt commodore
09:39am 31/03/09 Permalink
3dee
Brisbane, Queensland
3339 posts
Its still about 1000x better than a VL! :P
09:42am 31/03/09 Permalink
Ospi
Brisbane, Queensland
134 posts
mmmm a 4wd which will never see a dirt road. i have never understood why people buys things like this and the X3/X5 and other variants. But anyway.
09:49am 31/03/09 Permalink
jubs
Brisbane, Queensland
308 posts
I'm looking at the Audi Q5 (would like bmw x6 but too much $$ for me), hopefully test drive one soon. Anyone been in one yet for some feedback?
09:54am 31/03/09 Permalink
boba
Cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
3336 posts
grats, shoulda got an x5 though =P
09:58am 31/03/09 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
9567 posts
agree with opsi

why not just man up and get a S5 ?

last edited by paveway at 09:22:46 31/Mar/09
10:19am 31/03/09 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
7588 posts
gold coloured cars are fugly
10:23am 31/03/09 Permalink
Alt_F4
Brisbane, Queensland
862 posts
mmmm a 4wd which will never see a dirt road. i have never understood why people buys things like this and the X3/X5 and other variants. But anyway.


That's what i thought until i went in one... they're really roomy and comfortable, and it's pretty cruisy being above everyone else height wise.
10:58am 31/03/09 Permalink
giririsss
Brisbane, Queensland
3096 posts
mmmm a 4wd which will never see a dirt road. i have never understood why people buys things like this and the X3/X5 and other variants. But anyway.


While i agree, as 90% of the camping grounds around australia don't need a 4wd to be gotten too, they do have advantages. Mainly the bigger engines make towing stuff like boats and caravans easier. The clearance is also a nice to have if it ever is taken off road.

But even off road, most of them will never encounter a situation where you need "proper" 4wd cars, so why not get one that will be more economical to drive and nicer to drive in for the majority use of the vehicle. Makes sense to me, and many others.
11:18am 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9478 posts
Audi Q7's and BMW X5's aren't 4WD's, they're AWD's. they're a station wagon with some extra utility and ground clearance

lot of apostrophe's in that first sentence hey

11:25am 31/03/09 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
1159 posts
Nice car.
11:47am 31/03/09 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
11815 posts
didn't need an apostrophe in second sentence fyi
11:53am 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9479 posts
;)
12:01pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Opec
Brisbane, Queensland
5659 posts
Boss has one, nice and comfortable car. Though his is falling apart inside like door handle coming off, rear view mirror fall down, but I suspect it's more to do with his kids and carting stuff for his horse etc.
12:30pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Opec
Brisbane, Queensland
5660 posts
Also I personally prefer the Range Rover look. I don't know why but the boxy look just more appearing to me. I think there're too many rounded look cars around or something.
12:31pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Martz
Brisbane, Queensland
1883 posts
my old man bought a 2008 twin turbo diesel sahara.. The thing f*****g owns when you plant it. He keeps trying convince me to get a 4wd for it's safety compared to our astra as we have a new addition to the family, but i'm not a 4wd type of guy :(
12:45pm 31/03/09 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
11820 posts
what you're not a pretentious suburban warrior?
12:49pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9480 posts
more important is a vehicle's safety rating, which actually takes safety issues into account as opposed to stating "this is a 4wd therefore it's safer"
12:50pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Martz
Brisbane, Queensland
1884 posts
I think in general people think that because 4wd's are bigger vehicles, they are therefore safer then say a little bubble car like a holden barina.. In most cases, that would be about right.. If I was to get slammed by another car, I'd prefer to be in a big arse 4wd than a little bubble car for eg.
12:59pm 31/03/09 Permalink
HyperJ
Brisbane, Queensland
80 posts
Audi's are nice, untill they go wrong.

In the last year: turbo replaced, shocks replaced, exhaust replaced, electric window mechanism replaced, battery replaced
All in over $8k worth.. Me loves statutory and AWN warranty :)

Not replaced : Rear seatbelt ($650!!) - not covered under warranty
12:59pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Martz
Brisbane, Queensland
1885 posts
I saw a broken down X5 in the middle of the road with hazard lights on brunswick st in the valley the other day :/ I heard that european 4wd's are not as reliable as jap ones.
01:01pm 31/03/09 Permalink
MrHardware
Brisbane, Queensland
4632 posts
Rear seatbelt ($650!!)
Hah. I just did a seatbelt in one of my falcons, $40.
01:04pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9481 posts
martz, that just means you're possibly misinformed then. I've got a current nissan patrol for example - in safety tests, there's quite a high chance of considerable leg injury in a frontal collision at only 60kph. but this isn't the case for many small/hatchback cars.

that's just one example. and if you've done a bit of driving in a vehicle that does have a good ncap rating, you'll come to appreciate it and that idea of "I'd prefer to be in a big arse 4wd than a little bubble car for eg" will fade quickly

I'd much rather be driving a 1 series bmw than my patrol when it comes to safety in a collision
01:06pm 31/03/09 Permalink
HyperJ
Brisbane, Queensland
81 posts
Rear seatbelt ($650!!)
Hah. I just did a seatbelt in one of my falcons, $40.


I dont think falcons come with pre-tensioners on their seatbelts..
01:12pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Martz
Brisbane, Queensland
1886 posts
I guess my opinion comes from driving my old mans Sahara.. not sure what other 4wd's are like.
01:15pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9482 posts
well your opinion should come from ncap tests, not from driving :)
or ancap here rather
01:16pm 31/03/09 Permalink
casa
Thimes
Brisbane, Queensland
3231 posts
01:20pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9483 posts
having said all that I spose you're right to a large extent, given that these tests only ever compare vehicles of around the same size/mass
01:20pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Martz
Brisbane, Queensland
1887 posts
yeah that's where I was coming from.. for example, if a small car (ncap of 5) was to collide into a large 4wd (ncap of 5) which one would be the safer to be in?? I would assume the 4wd due to size, mass and momentum. I could be wrong, not an expert in this kind of thing, never even heard of ncap until you mentioned it :)
01:25pm 31/03/09 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
1809 posts
Sweet ride Mantra. I shoulda stayed at school.
01:27pm 31/03/09 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
9572 posts
I'd much rather be driving a 1 series bmw


those 135i's look like they would hammer
01:30pm 31/03/09 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
11822 posts
the 135 twin turbo does, for sure.
01:31pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9484 posts
yeh they're no race car but pretty zippy for a car that's not trying to be fast
01:34pm 31/03/09 Permalink
dynamite
Brisbane, Queensland
1315 posts
Looks like an over expensive van.
01:35pm 31/03/09 Permalink
HyperJ
Brisbane, Queensland
82 posts
yeah that's where I was coming from.. for example, if a small car (ncap of 5) was to collide into a large 4wd (ncap of 5) which one would be the safer to be in?? I would assume the 4wd due to size, mass and momentum. I could be wrong, not an expert in this kind of thing, never even heard of ncap until you mentioned it :)


Nope its not relative to size, you would be better in the smaller NCAP 5.
The old Hummers used to be terrible in crash testing, I dont think you get a much heavier car?
01:36pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9485 posts
I think it is relative to size and/or mass, to a reasonable extent, because of what I said before - that ncap tests aren't done across segments - only within segments

so while you can't say with absolute surety that a large 4wd with a rating 5 (if any exist) is safer than a small car with a rating 5, there's a good chance it will be
01:38pm 31/03/09 Permalink
HyperJ
Brisbane, Queensland
83 posts
I think it is relative to size and/or mass, to a reasonable extent, because of what I said before - that ncap tests aren't done across segments - only within segments

so while you can't say with absolute surety that a large 4wd with a rating 5 (if any exist) is safer than a small car with a rating 5, there's a good chance it will be


Who knows their physics? Does the increased weight and greater momentum of the larger car in essense increase the "crash speed" for the smaller car? IE is it going to need to absorb more energy than hitting a stationary object?
01:50pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Martz
Brisbane, Queensland
1888 posts
Does the increased weight and greater momentum of the larger car in essense increase the "crash speed" for the smaller car?


yes
02:05pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
24657 posts
one of the sales guys got a 135i, just before he left ehre (also got the bwm135 plates)

for a small twin turbo car, they arent that quick
02:54pm 31/03/09 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
9573 posts
are they all TT ?
03:02pm 31/03/09 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
6104 posts
Quicker than a yawn barge.

and yes pave. 3L I6 TT.
03:11pm 31/03/09 Permalink
HyperJ
Brisbane, Queensland
84 posts
one of the sales guys got a 135i, just before he left ehre (also got the bwm135 plates)

for a small twin turbo car, they arent that quick


5.3s 0-100km/h (if you go by one of the more conservative estimates) isn't that quick?

Can you give us some examples of small twin turbo cars that are?
03:15pm 31/03/09 Permalink
maxe
Brisbane, Queensland
13739 posts
Can you give us some examples of small twin turbo cars that are?


couple blowers on the side of a 13b jammed in a RX-2 cuz


9s all day
03:18pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
24659 posts
when you've got family 4 door sedans that are quicker to 100 and half the price, id say performance isnt its leading selling point

its no slouch, definately, but as jim said, its not trying to be fast

i read it was 5.2 for the beemr to 100
03:18pm 31/03/09 Permalink
HyperJ
Brisbane, Queensland
85 posts
when you've got family 4 door sedans that are quicker to 100 and half the price


such as?
03:19pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
24660 posts
ford G6E turbo
family sedan, $55000

5.1 to 100 fully laden with the aircon on

xr6 is probably about the same speed as the beemer (also 4 door sedan)
03:22pm 31/03/09 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
6105 posts
Sorry, but 5.2s 0-100 is _pretty fast_ for a car that costs $35K USD.

The fact that it costs $70k here is pretty annoying, but what can you do.
03:23pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
24661 posts
i thought they were more than $70k
03:24pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9486 posts
the cool thing about that engine is you can put it in a 2200kg X5/X6 and it only slows down to ~7 seconds 0-100. the torque spread on it is amazing even compared to a diesel and it's very economic
03:28pm 31/03/09 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
6106 posts
Can't compare prices of BMW / *.european car with an Australian car - because the prices are SO INFLATED in australia.
03:30pm 31/03/09 Permalink
HyperJ
Brisbane, Queensland
86 posts
ford G6E turbo
family sedan, $55000

5.1 to 100 fully laden with the aircon on

xr6 is probably about the same speed as the beemer (also 4 door sedan)


not exactly small cars, dont think they would compare up a windy mountain road.

funnily enough both the G6E turbo and 135i were in the top 3 for the carsguide.com car awards last year
03:30pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9487 posts
yeh the coupe is about 75k without any options, the convertible is about 80k
03:31pm 31/03/09 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
6107 posts
$72,230 for manual
$75,195 for semi-auto

Coupe

http://www.bmw.com.au/com/en/newvehicles/1series/coupe/2007/BMW_1Series_Coupe_PriceAndOptions.pdf

Starting at $35,850 MSRP

US Pricing.

last edited by mongie at 14:37:08 31/Mar/09
03:35pm 31/03/09 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
9574 posts
so why is it a 135 and not a 130 if it's a 3 litre ?
04:24pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
24662 posts
they are funny with their names sometimes:

old mates 323i (alpina) that i used to boot around back in teh day, was a 2.5l if i remember correctly;
04:38pm 31/03/09 Permalink
MatchFixer
Brisbane, Queensland
645 posts
335i is the only way to go (if you're blingged up).

04:57pm 31/03/09 Permalink
scooby
Brisbane, Queensland
3651 posts
wonder how much to import a 135 from the UK... theyre still RHD arent they?

29 745 British pounds = 62 291.0203 Australian dollars


oh sheesh, the 135i still weighs 1.5 tonnes!

last edited by scooby at 17:05:54 31/Mar/09
06:01pm 31/03/09 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
6108 posts
+ Taxes.
06:02pm 31/03/09 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
11828 posts
and duties.
06:06pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Mantra
Crusty old man
Brisbane, Queensland
2419 posts
Well, it's sitting in my driveway now. I drove it home and had an opportunity to get to know it better. It's much much zappier than I was expecting. In auto mode, it's kinda sluggish on take off, but with the triptronic thing activated it launches like a sports car. It's a huge car, but it doesn't drive or handle like one at all.

For the X5 lovers, they don't come with 7 seats, so it wasn't an option. The Range Rover and the Sahara I drove were like driving a giant 4WD. They were wishy washy in the handling, and that's fine, cause they're built to climb cliffs as well as the luxury stuff, but that's not what I wanted. Also, funnily enough, the BMW and Range Rover didn't seem as well put together as the Audi. I've always liked Audis, and never actually thought I'd own one, so I'm over the f*****g moon!

The ANCAP rating is 5 stars, it has airbags on its airbags! It's got sensors all over it to warn you about collisions and things and all sort of other nifty stuff.

The 4WDness was the last thing I considered. We've been looking for ages, but we either had to go the "bus" option, or the giant 4WD option. I discounted the Q7s early on because I didn't think I could afford it, but it wasn't as much as I thought, certainly in comparison to the tricked out landcruisers and prados and similar.

It's nice to know that it's got 4WD on all the time, and if I want to I can drive down the beach in it, but I'm not going on 4WD trips with Jim & Co any time soon :)

Overall, having had it for 3 hours, it's the sexiest car I've ever had the pleasure of owning. I'm sure there'll be things that I don't like about it as I use it more, but nothing is obvious right now :D

/me goes for a random drive...
07:17pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Nitro
Gold Coast, Queensland
1712 posts
335i is big pimpin.

To be honest I prefer the high revving NA 6 of the old M3. 330 odd hp from an NA 6 is awesome. There is a CSL on carsales for $120k.. I want :(
07:17pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9489 posts
X5's do also have a 7 seat option
Q7 is a sexier lookin vehicle tho imo
07:29pm 31/03/09 Permalink
trillion
Brisbane, Queensland
620 posts
I'm waiting a couple years and getting one of those Tesla saloons so I can enjoy all the repairs needed when the totalitarian computer system in it begins to go malfy.
07:32pm 31/03/09 Permalink
MrHardware
Brisbane, Queensland
4638 posts
It's nice to know that it's got 4WD on all the time,
For the extra fuel consumption?
08:11pm 31/03/09 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
2556 posts
In case there are any diesel spills on the road.
08:45pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9490 posts
ooh yeah driving all 4 wheels would be what's pushing that fuel consumption all the way from 8.9L/100 to 9.1
so not worth the extra driveability and traction!
09:06pm 31/03/09 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
4887 posts
Well at 0.2 litres per 100 kms when fuel is say $1.30 for diesel = $0.26 per 100kms.

If he travels 15,000 km in the year thats $39.00 of additional fuel or a CARTON OF BEER.

I'd take the carton over 4 wheel drive any day.

Some people have no priorities.
09:20pm 31/03/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9491 posts
:D
09:28pm 31/03/09 Permalink
sLaps_Forehead
Brisbane, Queensland
4163 posts
What do you do for a crust Mantra?

01:15am 01/04/09 Permalink
trillion
Brisbane, Queensland
647 posts
Probably wrong but I think he started that chain of highrises that you might see if you raise your head anywhere above eye level while getting around in the CBD.

But if that were this Mantra it would probably be a G5 Learjet powered by Audi thrusters as the preffered daily transport no?
01:23am 01/04/09 Permalink
HyperJ
Brisbane, Queensland
87 posts
If your spending that much, might as well spend a little more and get a BMW X6
01:39am 01/04/09 Permalink
Creepy
USA
1333 posts
Except that the X6 looks fugly.
01:52am 01/04/09 Permalink
Fn
Brisbane, Queensland
5416 posts
The Audi looks hot Mantra, good on ya :)
08:02am 01/04/09 Permalink
orbitor
Brisbane, Queensland
7901 posts
haha X6, why would you pay over 100k for an X6 when you could just stick forks in your eyes for the same effect?

anyway, back to srs, if I had my own personal kid army I too would look at the Q7. Not a bad car at all.
08:21am 01/04/09 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
3454 posts
Touareg ;)



Originally Posted by allworldauto.com/blogs
Volkswagen Touareg successfully tows a Boeing 747

http://www.allworldauto.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/061122012.jpg


A Volkswagen Touareg V10 TDI has succeeded in towing a Boeing 747-200 weighing approximately 155 tonnes. Watched by engineers, Volkswagen personnel and bemused passers-by, the Touareg V10 TDI completed seven complete runs on the auxiliary runway at Dunsfold Aerodrome, 40 miles south west of London.

The vehicle was a standard production Touareg fitted with a special towing adaptor to connect it with the aircraft towing link and loaded with 4.3 tonnes of metal ballast to bring its total weight to just over seven tonnes (7,030 kg) including the driver, an engineer from the technical department at the company’s headquarters in Germany.

The car’s engine, self-levelling air suspension, wheels, tyres and structure were all standard. One precaution that turned out to be unnecessary was the fitment of the 4.56 axle ratio from the Touareg V8 model in place of the 3.27 gearing of the V10. This was established as the demonstration was conducted in the second of the Touareg’s 12 forward gears rather than first. The final modification was to change the outer body panels for photographic purposes so that this example was visually the same as the next generation Touareg which is due to be launched next year.

The attempt was designed to demonstrate the reserves of strength and durability of the Touareg V10 TDI. This model won The Caravan Club Towcar of the Year Awards full-size 4×4 category in 2004 and 2005 and has established itself as the benchmark diesel SUV, offering an extraordinary combination of performance and fuel efficiency since it was launched in 2003.

A theoretical towing capability in excess of 200 tonnes was calculated by multiplying the 553 lbs ft of torque generated by the V10 TDI engine through the standard transmission’s lowest ratio and without taking into account the torque multiplication benefits of the torque converter. This however assumed a dry surface and loading the Touareg’s body and suspension well in excess of its rated limits.

http://www.allworldauto.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/0611220122_mn.jpg

An initial trial was carried out successfully in Germany with an operational Boeing 747-400 weighing 190 tonnes but it subsequently became difficult to obtain an aircraft for the length of time and in an appropriate location to conduct a press demonstration. Colleagues therefore requested Volkswagen UK to obtain a suitable aircraft and location.

The result was an ex-British Airways Boeing 747-200 weighing 155 tonnes. The aircraft, first flown in 1980 and retired last year retains its full complement of 500 seats, 11 toilets and complete landing gear, albeit without an operating braking system. The original engines were removed last year to make way for dummy items used in the filming of a recent motion picture. Despite this, the aircraft still weighs 155 tonnes, due in part to the 28 tonnes of water held on board in the fuel and nose tanks.

The changes to the Touareg are more modest. Modifications extend to the addition of 4,345 kg of ballast in the form of steel plates set behind the front bumper and beneath the engine. The balance of the ballast was made up by bags of steel balls weighing 25 kg each. The result is a split of 2,755 kg over the front axle and 4,275 kg over the rear to bring the total to 7,030 kg which includes Uwe Krieghoff, the nervous driver. He was not prepared to say how much his body contributed to the 7,030 kg total.

Conditions for the attempt were far from perfect. A strong headwind combined with torrential rain and resulting standing water prompted concerns over traction on the wet surface. Despite the scale of the attempt the vehicle needed little preparation. The engine was warmed up before a brief visual inspection of the tyres prior to the attempt being given the green light.

The Touareg’s standard towbar (fitted with an adapted towing bracket) was hooked up to the nose wheel collar of a Boeing 747 and the chocks were removed. At the wheel Uwe selected ‘drive’ and the low ratio, second gear setting on the Touareg’s six-speed gearbox. The required tractive effort is at its highest during the initial pull to overcome the static friction of the aircraft tyres on the runway. Flatspots form on the aircraft’s 18 tyres under the 155 tonnes of weight and additional resistance must be overcome to get the aircraft rolling.

Uwe pressed the accelerator around halfway down in second gear before easing off as the aircraft gained momentum. With no visible loss of traction the Touareg began dragging the 231 ft airframe of the 747 along the runway, maintaining an even five mph in the process. Having covered an estimated 150 metres the driver eased back on the throttle before slowly engaging the Touareg’s brakes to slow both the vehicle and the aircraft to a stop.

After the attempt Uwe commented: ‘I was a bit disappointed we couldn’t find something heavier to tow as it was a bit too easy! If anyone could lend us a heavier aircraft then please let us know.’

The vehicle was checked after the repeated runs and no side effects of the demands made on the engine and transmission could be found. The engine temperature remained normal, as did the transmission and the tyres survived without a hint of the forces passed through them.

Source: Volkswagen
08:33am 01/04/09 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
24667 posts
former sales guy had a tourag, and axed it in the first month:
hated it:

tbh, im sick to death off all the new golfs at work

mid level management must be getting some sort of deal on vw's coz theres golfs and passats eveywhere

yawn
08:40am 01/04/09 Permalink
Ross
Brisbane, Queensland
2035 posts
Mantrap! You should have bought my car!

http://tinyurl.com/dhg574


last edited by Ross at 08:03:53 01/Apr/09
09:02am 01/04/09 Permalink
tequila
Sydney, New South Wales
1849 posts
All class Mantra ;)

Hey Jim, bmw's are s*** !



HIRUX!

http://unix.org.au/~brett/images/hirux-02.jpg

09:18am 01/04/09 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
2776 posts
haha awesome plates :D Spook, volkswagen make soem good fleet car as fleet cars. The two main reasons why theyre so popular as fleet cars in europe is great reliability and economy, youre looking at 4.5 - 5.5 litres on a 2 litre tdi ...
09:32am 01/04/09 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
3455 posts
tequila, which hilux is that? v6 or TD?
10:49am 01/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9496 posts
teq I'm indignant and offended by your comment! possibly even outraged
11:11am 01/04/09 Permalink
Mantra
Crusty old man
Brisbane, Queensland
2420 posts
X5's do also have a 7 seat option
orly? The guy said they didn't? Maybe he meant they didn't have any in stock maybe...
Q7 is a sexier lookin vehicle tho imo
Definitely.
What do you do for a crust Mantra?
I'm an IT consultant for an engineering company and run a team of developers and support peoples. And for the people thinking it cost a lot, it actually didn't cost as much as I thought it would.
Mantrap! You should have bought my car!
That's precisely the sort of car I was trying to avoid :)
It's nice to know that it's got 4WD on all the time,

For the extra fuel consumption?
For the fact that it sticks to the road like a little hatchback despite it being a huge car. Do you extract your fuel from stones after donating blood and being repeatedly beaten with sticks or something?

The fuel consumption the car is reporting is 9.1L/100km. It's a 3.0L TDI V6 with more grunt than I'll ever need. My old car was a 2.2l petrol 4cyl. It was averaging around 11.4L/100km when we traded it in. Based on the current price of diesel (I paid $1.08 last night with no discount), this will actually be cheaper to run fuel wise! Based on the size of the tank, and the current consumption, a tank will last us about 2 weeks. That's about $50 a week, with the other car costing around $60-70 a week.

I'm also driving a car I've always wanted, so I'm ahead already :)
11:21am 01/04/09 Permalink
Ross
Brisbane, Queensland
2037 posts
Bah! It's the perfect family truckster! AND.... It would whoop your diesel in a drag! Nearly a second quicker to 100km/hr!

last edited by Ross at 10:27:34 01/Apr/09
11:24am 01/04/09 Permalink
boba
Cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
3339 posts
The fuel consumption the car is reporting is 9.1L/100km.
all that says is that you drive like a pussy =P
11:42am 01/04/09 Permalink
orbitor
Brisbane, Queensland
7902 posts
well why push a Q7 hard? It's never going to be remotely quick anyway.
11:46am 01/04/09 Permalink
Mantra
Crusty old man
Brisbane, Queensland
2421 posts
The fuel consumption the car is reporting is 9.1L/100km.

all that says is that you drive like a pussy =P
My wife drives it more than I do, and she's not used to it yet and is driving it like a nanna :) I've driven it 3 times now, the first time I was gentle, the 2nd a bit more confident, the 3rd time I gave it a bootful, and it's amazing how it sticks to the road.
It would whoop your diesel in a drag! Nearly a second quicker to 100km/hr!
We'll have to test that theory one day :)
well why push a Q7 hard? It's never going to be remotely quick anyway.
Ok, I'll bite.

PPPFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTT!!!!
11:51am 01/04/09 Permalink
Ross
Brisbane, Queensland
2038 posts
11:53am 01/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9497 posts
yeh diesel has been 1.01 - 1.03 at the bp near my place the last 6 weeks or so, only about $80 to fill up and I get 2 weeks out of it driving from hillcrest to indro each day plus weekend trips

12:09pm 01/04/09 Permalink
orbitor
Brisbane, Queensland
7903 posts
Ok, I'll bite.

PPPFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTT!!!!


well 8.5 seconds to 100kph is considerably slower than a 6 cyl conformadore, so yeah, it's slow. But who cares? It's not meant to be quick.
12:10pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Mantra
Crusty old man
Brisbane, Queensland
2422 posts
I'm positive that it gets to 100k quicker that 8.1sec in triptronic or sports mode. I can see it doing that with it just being in drive though. I'll time it later and report results.
12:13pm 01/04/09 Permalink
MrHardware
Brisbane, Queensland
4639 posts
is it new new mantra, or a year or two old?
12:38pm 01/04/09 Permalink
tequila
Sydney, New South Wales
1850 posts
tequila, which hilux is that? v6 or TD?


Diesel fo rizzle, like Jim I am currently enjoying the cheap diesel and getting two weeks to a tank driving from the north suburbs -> valley & back every day

Jim *slap*, a duel is what I challenge you to.
01:11pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
3456 posts
two weeks for a diesel tank..s***, you driving it rough or something..

I'm getting 2 weeks out of my 1.6 golf.. 500-550km/tank..
01:37pm 01/04/09 Permalink
tequila
Sydney, New South Wales
1851 posts
I just drove back from Sydney on Saturday, with the hilux loaded above the roof (ie, the drag coefficient of a f*****g parachute) I still managed 700k's from 1 tank (about 9.5L/100 pure highway)

cruise control 80% of the trip too, the other 20% it copped a flogging
02:08pm 01/04/09 Permalink
MrHardware
Brisbane, Queensland
4641 posts
i think you'll find '2 weeks' and 'a tank' are arbitary figures.
02:15pm 01/04/09 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
4891 posts
Not trying to cause a debate, but when we came back from our holiday down near Forster I recorded 7.41 per 100km in our (now smashed up) 02 Camry Manual with 5 people and boot full of crap. (2.4 petrol engine).

A diesel would need to return less than 5.7 per 100km to come out in front (assuming diesel is 30c a litre more - which it normally is?)



last edited by mission at 13:22:48 01/Apr/09
02:20pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9499 posts
Jim *slap*, a duel is what I challenge you to.
at what!

i think you'll find '2 weeks' and 'a tank' are arbitary figures.
I've stated my tank size several times - ~80 litres, although I never put quite that much in it, I'm putting 70-75 litres in. and when I say per fortnight, I'm quoting the shortest time between fills. it's usually pretty regular within 1 or 2 days after a fortnight, but sometimes I get the whole 3rd working week out of it as well and fill it up on the friday night if I didn't go to the sunshine or gold coast like I do a lot of weekends

Not trying to cause a debate, but when we came back from our holiday down near Forster I recorded 7.41 per 100km in our (now smashed up) 02 Camry Manual with 5 people and boot full of crap. (2.4 petrol engine).

A diesel would need to return less than 5.7 per 100km to come out in front (assuming diesel is 30c a litre more - which it normally is?)
a modern diesel of similar capacity in the same weight vehicle would pretty easily surpass it, especially given diesel is 1.00 - 1.10 per litre for the past couple of months. it depends what you do - if you've got a very light car and carry little load, you'll get less benefit from a diesel. the more work you put on the engine though, the more a diesel will come out on top typically, simply because of their nature - they generally have a higher compression ratio and longer stroke than petrol, and diesel has a higher btu than petrol. more energy is able to be harnessed at more optimum rpm range.

doing a long trip along a highway is the worst way to highlight the difference, because your vehicle isn't working particularly hard compared to say city/stop-start driving where the majority of people do their miles. and here, regardless of the load, a diesel will come out in front because their fuel consumption spread is a lot narrower than the extremities of a petrol engine

I can flog my X5 all around the backstreets of indro/toowong/ashgrove/city and the short-term consumption will barely see 11L/100. I did the same in an '08 statesmen last weekend in sydney and it was reading 25L/100, and it weighs around 500kg's less. however resetting the tripmeter for the trip out of nth sydney up to singleton along the expressway saw the statesman using 9.1L/100. the same section in my X5 6 months ago saw 4.9L/100. the variance is far less

damn that was a horrible car to drive btw, I really felt like I was riding in a cab. unresponsive steering, horrid suspension and spongey brakes. s***** seats, s***** fit and finish and nasty cheap materials. it only had 9000k's on the clock

I keep two fuel counters on my car - one hasn't been reset since I took delivery 12 months ago, and one I reset each time I get back into the car after refuelling it. the former reads 9.3L/100 over the year. the latter can read anything from 7.3L/100 to 10.5L/100 depending on how I drive over the fortnight. sometimes I make an effort to keep the number low, sometimes I cain it, often

the main thing is the cost vs petrol as you pointed out already mission. prior to a couple of months ago, the previous 12 months saw consistently higher prices, to the point where I was basically telling people that if you're going by sheer $$ in your pocket, you're better off buying an efficient petrol engine or a used car that's already fitted with lpg. but at the moment, a modern diesel (longer service intervals than old ones) is definitely the cheaper - it's back to how it was a couple of years ago. how long will it stay that way though
03:09pm 01/04/09 Permalink
orbitor
Brisbane, Queensland
7904 posts
pity diesels are still slow as glacial flow and sound like an old dying fridge.
03:13pm 01/04/09 Permalink
MrHardware
Brisbane, Queensland
4642 posts
9 times out of 10, yeah you're right orbitor, and spew fumes everywhere
1 time out of 10 you get a modern turbo diesel thats actually fast.
03:20pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9500 posts
given that diesels here are used predominantly in the transport/trade sector and due to their longevity live on and on taking so long to cycle out to new technology it's not a surprise to see high ratios of crusty old diesels getting around. are we talking about transport industry vehicles in this thread though?

different story in europe where they tend to be far more resilient to the pig-headed yankee attitude toward vehicles than we are here.

even my patrol doesn't put out much visible smoke, and the X5 is cleaner than petrol and lpg. in some other countries the newer eurodiesels are running factory urea exhaust injection systems (adblue/blutech) which turn 99% of the nox into water vapour which rules out any particle emission issues. in aus they still use periodic burnoff to convert the collected particles which isn't quite as effective but is still good
03:36pm 01/04/09 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
4426 posts
Yeah well I get 4 weeks out of my 65L tank. I drive it up the road to pickup groceries and wifey from work.. so ner!
03:41pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9501 posts
pwnt
03:45pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Mantra
Crusty old man
Brisbane, Queensland
2423 posts
is it new new mantra, or a year or two old?
It's an 07. In pretty schmick condition though. I think a grumpy old man drove it before me, I don't know why I think that, but I get a grumpy old man vibe from it. Maybe it's me :)

Also, Jim, I thought you had a pootrol?
03:49pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9502 posts
I do! but I've modified it so heavily for off road that it's a b**** to drive on the road. so I bought a cushy ride for on road
04:13pm 01/04/09 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
6114 posts
I'd have a diesel. Have to move with the times f*****s.
04:21pm 01/04/09 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
4892 posts
Don't get me wrong, I'd take a decent diesel over a petrol anyday.

But the decision would be based on the the torque that they provide rather than the fuel savings. Keep in mind that diesel fuel costs more, diesel vehicles generally cost more than their petrol cousins and diesel servicing costs more. So, you have a lot of cash to recoup through savings due to fuel economy.

We need a new car and the Mazda 6 Diesel wagon is on top of the list but alas the budget is hard to squeeze :(
04:31pm 01/04/09 Permalink
MrHardware
Brisbane, Queensland
4643 posts
I'd have a diesel. Have to move with the times f*****s.
thats what they said 30 years ago with the diesel gemini.

And Mantra, thats the time to buy cars hey, two or three years old. Still essentially a new vehicle, but approaching half price.

last edited by MrHardware at 16:06:21 01/Apr/09
05:02pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9503 posts
were you even alive 30 years ago?!
05:09pm 01/04/09 Permalink
MrHardware
Brisbane, Queensland
4644 posts
no
i like to learn from other people's mistakes though
05:12pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Mantra
Crusty old man
Brisbane, Queensland
2424 posts
And Mantra, thats the time to buy cars hey, two or three years old. Still essentially a new vehicle, but approaching half price.
Well, I couldn't afford a new one, and yeah, the depreceation rates on new cars, even Audis is terrible. You lose $10k as soon as you drive out of the lot. The last car we bought new, and it depreceated so rapidly I blinked and it was a 1/4 of the price I paid for it. The Audi isn't half the new price, but that's a good thing. Audis tend to hold their value really well, so when I do go and get a new car, it won't be the massive hit it was for the holden.
06:02pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9504 posts
I was alive 30 years ago and I remember checking everywhere in every universe in existence, and there wasn't a single living being saying "I'd have a diesel. Have to move with the times f*****s." or anything like it in relation to a gemini diesel

what is it that you learnt again?
07:34pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
1843 posts
I learned that Jim is crusty and old. With cool powers to check everywhere!
Also, I generally fill my 4.0lt, Straight 6, Jeep Wrangler up once every ~3 or so weeks. And I flog it all around the shop.

Yay for living ~12min from work, It's the best form of Fuel consumption. That and using the Work cars to do the running around in.
F***ed if ill ever let them give me a Prius out of Carpool ever again though, those things are really s*** to drive. The nose is on a stupid angle so you cant actually see where it is steering is s***, it's way to low to the ground (scraped going into a park entrance) and it's just all round s***.
08:09pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
24675 posts
08:15pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
8686 posts
nice car but thats probably the most f***ed up colour in the universe.. why? :)
09:18pm 01/04/09 Permalink
Creepy
USA
1335 posts
Wasn't Daewoo listed in the group of manufacturers of most unsafe cars for crashes?

Better slap a "Baby on Board" sign onto it, to stop people from intentionally ramming into it..
01:01am 02/04/09 Permalink
BigZub
Brisbane, Queensland
4941 posts
my next ute is going to be a Turbo diesel..... its just the way to go!
10:14am 02/04/09 Permalink
Triamks
Brisbane, Queensland
1987 posts
You drive on the right hand side of the road Spook?
10:15am 02/04/09 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
4893 posts
Well spotted.
10:19am 02/04/09 Permalink
CHUB
Brisbane, Queensland
4887 posts
lol Spook, children have failed you,
10:20am 02/04/09 Permalink
orbitor
Brisbane, Queensland
7905 posts
man thought i'd get more/better bites, ah well.

My mate's new Golf TDi is a really nice drive for round the city; the great lowdown torque makes zipping around at 60kph and overtaking a breeze.

It does still sound bad though unfortunately.
10:52am 02/04/09 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
4430 posts
My next golf will be a Golf, for some reason I've fallen in love with them after renting one for driving around Ireland. Pretty odd for me considering the last 4 cars I've had have been V8s (VR SS, VT SS, CV8 Monaro and now VE SSV).
10:59am 02/04/09 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
4896 posts
My next golf will be a Golf,


Funny that.
11:01am 02/04/09 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
1844 posts
I've taken the Golf out a few times, was dissapointed the first time I was handed the keys but it is a pretty good car to drive around it.
11:16am 02/04/09 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
4221 posts
i was gonna post suhn like 'sifnt motorcycles for the cheap commute option' but it's raining today so i took my car :P still ... i commute from home to work & back twice a day (i go home for lunch) on my xr600 n it costs about $9/week orrjeh. plus there is the added excitment of knowing i'm not safe! what kinda boring old man factors saftey into a vehicle decision... oh right... you guys :D
11:26am 02/04/09 Permalink
MrHardware
Brisbane, Queensland
4645 posts
Thats right demon. I kind of value my life.
11:27am 02/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9508 posts
hehe demon
11:54am 02/04/09 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
4433 posts

My next golf will be a Golf,

Funny that.


Urgh, brain isn't functioning too well this morning :(
11:54am 02/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9509 posts
hey wait a second I just realised you might've been taking the piss out of ME with that boring old man bit
11:58am 02/04/09 Permalink
MrHardware
Brisbane, Queensland
4646 posts
you're a quick one
12:00pm 02/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9511 posts
hang on are you talking to ticman or me?

12:04pm 02/04/09 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
4222 posts
nah jim, boring old men might buy similar cars to you but they generally keep them with the wheels facing the ground... how boring is that!?@#$! ;D
12:15pm 02/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9512 posts
those crazy old guys!
12:16pm 02/04/09 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
4434 posts
A guy at work said I look like I'm 40.. I'm not even 29 yet :(

With each year I'm finally catching up to how old I look.
12:19pm 02/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9513 posts
the curious tale of ticman mcticcles
12:23pm 02/04/09 Permalink
Mantra
Crusty old man
Brisbane, Queensland
2425 posts
That's enough out of you young whipper schnappers...

*waves cane*
02:44pm 02/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9514 posts
are you talking to me?
03:03pm 02/04/09 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
9581 posts
05:13pm 02/04/09 Permalink
Crusher
Newcastle, New South Wales
280 posts
hey wait a second I just realised you might've been taking the piss out of ME with that boring old man bit


Jim's next car is a white camry with a box of tissues on the rear parcel shelf.

Hes about at that age where he needs to start driving slowly in the right hand lane. And I know hes old cos he was way older than me years ago and I turned 30 this week :(

last edited by Crusher at 16:18:56 02/Apr/09
05:17pm 02/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9515 posts
haha happy birthday old mans :D
I'm 37 in october, still a spring chicken imo
05:22pm 02/04/09 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
24678 posts
only 37?
u seem a lot older to me, like way way older, like mantra old
05:58pm 02/04/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9516 posts
you have to admit though mantra is pretty hawt for his age
06:20pm 02/04/09 Permalink
BigZub
Brisbane, Queensland
4942 posts
yeah congrats paveweight.. you can get your car sideways.. and for the record its only a s***box r32.. YAWWWNNN
06:45pm 02/04/09 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
9582 posts
haha congrats you're still a moron
07:55pm 02/04/09 Permalink
tequila
Sydney, New South Wales
1862 posts
posting in a car thread (again)


needs more screamer pipe both of you ^



(random highway screamer love)




(a mate driving my 180 while i had no licence)
09:45pm 02/04/09 Permalink
BigZub
Brisbane, Queensland
4946 posts
haha congrats you're still a moron
i think you're the f*****g moron who thinks a skyline r32 is a 'cool car' . thats so 5 years ago. wait how long did it take you to save up for that car..? 2 years? hahaha

edit.. oh wait doesn't the bank own it?
06:57pm 04/04/09 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
9587 posts
yeah we can't all live large like plumbers apprentices
10:15pm 04/04/09 Permalink
tequila
Brisbane, Queensland
1884 posts
he does alright for someone who is early 20s and studies full time and works part time ..
10:44pm 04/04/09 Permalink
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