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First Gaming PC
Nation
Melbourne, Victoria
1 posts
I'm just starting to get into PC Gaming, so i don't know too much about building PC's and computer parts. So i got my cousin to help me to come up with three builds. I'm looking for input on each of these as i'm not too crash hot with PC parts and such.

OCing Top of the line build

CPU: i5-4670K (3.4/3.8)
Memory Corsair Vengeance Pro 1866mhz CMY16GX3M2A1866C9 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H Motherboard
Case Coolermaster CM 690
Power Supply Corsair CS750M Modular 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
HDD Seagate SSHD 2TB
SSD Samsung Evo 240GB
GFX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 OC Edition 4GB



Non OC build

CPU: i5-4570 (3.2/3.6)
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X 1600mhz F3-12800CL10D-16GBXL 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3
Motherboard Gigabyte Z87-D3HP
Case Coolermaster CM 690
Power Supply Corsair CS650M Modular 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
HDD Seagate SSHD 2TB
SSD Samsung Evo 240GB
GFX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 OC Edition 4GB



Lower budget build

CPU: i5-4570 (3.2/3.6)
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X 1600mhz F3-12800CL10D-16GBXL 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3
Motherboard Gigabyte Z87-D3HP
Case Any lower budget case
Power Supply Corsair CS650M Modular 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
HDD Seagate SSHD 2TB
GFX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 OC Edition 4GB

Thanks
-Lachie
08:11pm 22/03/14 Permalink
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Roonee
Perth, Western Australia
98 posts
get a good tower that you won't want to part with for 3-16.3 years. Fan potential is very important (and aircon is for limp wankers).

get a good and recent motherboard with sli/xfire capability.
08:31pm 22/03/14 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
4944 posts
yeah, a good tower choice can save you in the long run, I still have my first tower, and is well over 15 years old, and only stopped containing my main PC two years ago
08:39pm 22/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1531 posts
CPU: i5-4670K (3.4/3.8)
Memory Corsair Vengeance Pro 1866mhz CMY16GX3M2A1866C9 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H Motherboard
Case Coolermaster CM 690
Power Supply Corsair CS750M Modular 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
HDD Seagate SSHD 2TB
SSD Samsung Evo 240GB
GFX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 OC Edition 4GB



This one is a good mix of gear. However I'd look at changing the RAM to G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-17000CL11D-8GBXL (2x4GB) DDR3. Nothing will push you anywhere near the 8GB barrier, this RAM also runs at 2133Mhz and is less than half the cost. Over $100 savings there. Also, you only consume 2 slots and consume less power (and possibly gain better clocks). Plus you can add another 2 when you're ready and gain the 16GB total. If someone is telling you Corsair is "simply" better as a blanket statement, consider that G.Skill hold most of the world records in regards to memory speeds on LN2, I've run a few 2400Mhz sets on systems I've built and have never had an issue. (they get stressed for a good day as well)

A 750W power supply won't be needed for this system either. At max, it will draw no more than 400W, that includes loading it with 6 spinny spinners, USB s***, etc. Consider a 500-550W unless you intend on buying a second video card. If you did, the system would draw no more than 600W, so perhaps then a 700-750W is adequate. (The choice of buying a Gold PSU is a good one though)

Lastly, if those savings in funds can help you afford it, complement this system with a GTX 780Ti (if at all possible) otherwise the 780 (non Ti).

Also, with the CPU, be aware the 4670K is not hyper threaded, so you get 4 threads instead of 8. My mates 4760K is really pushing to keep up with what he's running - so also consider a 4770K as it has 8 threads. Games such as BF4 run on 12 threads here so don't stick to the old 'games only use 1/2 thread' mentality, the devs are getting better and better at multithreading, hence 4770K and 780(maybe Ti) are a very future proof setup.


Er.. Pass that on to your mate I guess, most of that will probably be verbal spaghetti for you.
09:24pm 22/03/14 Permalink
Gruelius
1 posts
Thanks for the replies fellas.

Chose the corsair ram set as it was the cheapest 16gb kit (on the site I was using to estimate the build cost) with decent timings. good point on using the 8gb kit.

Not really a fan boy for any brand I just haven't kept my ear to the ground so I am out of date as for which models are good bang for buck or performance.

With this build I think the bang for buck thing was in mind, the 4770k throws on another $120. Which in my mind isnt worth it but will have a look at some benchmarks

Can you recommend some ATX towers with decent air cooling capability? if it doubles as having good sound insulation that would be a plus.

And what is the "Go to" decent air cooler these days? Last time I checked it was the thermalright Ultra 120 but that was a long time ago :P
08:48am 23/03/14 Permalink
WirlWind
Central Coast, New South Wales
1343 posts
I think ph33x pretty much hit everything on the head.

Though I will say that the 4670k should still have more than enough grunt for anything today. I am running a 3570k myself along side a 7990 and have yet to find a game this combo couldn't om nom.

Of course, what he said about only having 4 threads is also true. So in the future, being that consoles now have like 8 cores, I can expect multithreaded games to be the norm rather than the exception.

Just know that if you decide to stick with the 4670k, it's not like it will start chugging along at 30fps on modern games because it simply won't.
09:41am 23/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1534 posts
Just know that if you decide to stick with the 4670k, it's not like it will start chugging along at 30fps on modern games because it simply won't.

This. I built a system for a mate with a 4670K (non-Z87, no oc) and a GTX770. It runs BF4 no worries. In fact we turn the supersampling resolution up a tad. Consider that BF4 is one of the harder games for computer hardware. From what I hear, Titanfall even runs better. (Not that this matters as I haven't heard a peep about Titanfall in almost a week now..)

Can you recommend some ATX towers with decent air cooling capability? if it doubles as having good sound insulation that would be a plus.

If you went Mini-ITX, a Bitfenix Prodigy are very good for cooling. I did a Corsair Obsidian 350D build but I wasn't happy with the front intakes. Really, any case with a low fan at the front to feed fresh air to the graphics card, and a fan at the back or top. Setups with 1 intake fan + 3 exhaust fans aren't the best as you're better off with positive pressure. Hard to blanket answer this one. Throw up a few links of what you think is good and I can have a look at those if you like, there's simply too many for me to stare at.

And what is the "Go to" decent air cooler these days? Last time I checked it was the thermalright Ultra 120 but that was a long time ago :P

Balls to wall? Noctua NH-D14. You also have Coolermaster Hypers, and stand up Phanteks. Note the design I'm talking about when you see the pics. These feed the air directly into the exhaust fans to keep case temps down. Also, consider that these were built to cool overclocked 130W+ CPU's. The 4770K is like a ~90W APU, so it won't ever get that hot with ANY of the coolers above.
12:35pm 23/03/14 Permalink
Gruelius
2 posts
Yeah I was eyeballing the NH-D14

I have a mini itx build myself. 3570k @ 4.5ghz.

In my own experiences ive kept onto cpu/boards longer than gfx cards so may well consider the 4770k. really depends on what the budget allows.
03:47pm 23/03/14 Permalink
fencer
Melbourne, Victoria
42 posts
If you got the extra cash then think of a 500gb SSD. I already have a 240 gb for my OS, BF4 and a couple of other things. I went to get another one last week but at the last minute I got the 500gig due to the size of some the games lately. Titan Fall just by itself chewed up 50 gb. That way I can now keep the 500gb just to add and remove at least 10 games if they top out at 50 gb each and a few more if they don't ;)
04:17pm 23/03/14 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
10388 posts
is there a local lan still going on in Melbourne these days?


is there is - get to one and check it out dude. Talk to everyone you can there and build some relationships with peeps in the know if that works for you. I'm still blown away even today by the people I got to meet at AusGamers lans when they were operating.


Brothers/cousins/mates/admins can distort your education of this expensive technology... leading to some very expensive learning lessons on your part, and the loss of some new opportunities you could make along the way.


If you're just looking to buy something to do a job and don't care what's inside the thing.. there's nothing wrong with that. Invest into a better console system.




last edited by koopz at 16:58:26 23/Mar/14
04:57pm 23/03/14 Permalink
Tyoson
Perth, Western Australia
374 posts
get a good tower that you won't want to part with for 3-16.3 years. Fan potential is very important (and aircon is for limp wankers).

get a good and recent motherboard with sli/xfire capability.

I disappear from these forums and I come back and now I have a fan club? Classic :P I'm searching for a new GPU and you guys seem clued on so I thought I'd pop in and check. My 5850 is starting to show it's age. What's good these days?
12:34am 24/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1537 posts
What's good these days?

GTX780Ti is pretty ok.

I read yesterday that there is a 6GB version of the 780 on the way as well, and not long after, a 6GB 780Ti. All them Titan owners must be sick of getting the d*** by now.
08:55am 24/03/14 Permalink
Tyoson
Perth, Western Australia
375 posts

GTX780Ti is pretty ok.

I read yesterday that there is a 6GB version of the 780 on the way as well, and not long after, a 6GB 780Ti. All them Titan owners must be sick of getting the d*** by now.

Woahhhh, for $899 you'd hope it's more than OK :P 6GB almost seems overkill though doesn't it?
02:56pm 24/03/14 Permalink
Nation
Melbourne, Victoria
2 posts
Ok so after making some changes this is what i have

CPU I7-4770k (3.5/3.9)
Cooler Noctua NH-D14
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-17000CL11D-8GBXL (2x4GB) DDR3
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H Motherboard
Case BitFenix Prodigy Mini-ITX Case warrior
Power Supply SilverStone Strider Essential Gold 600W ST60F-ESG
HDD Seagate SSHD 2TB
GFX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 OC Edition 4GB

I still plan on adding a 500 GB SSD but at a later stage because at the moment by budget doesnt allow it
05:41pm 24/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1546 posts
Hardware looks good, but it won't fit into that case. The Strider PSU's are very good. I've used a 1200w in my gamer for 12 months now and it hasn't missed a beat, very efficient under load as well.

If you want that case though, you'll need to change the mobo to M-ITX form factor, unless you had planned to modify the Prodigy to fit your equipment.

It has been done, but it's not minor work. I wouldn't recommend it.

http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products/xl/195735/4/bitfenix_prodigy_m_black.jpg
06:30pm 24/03/14 Permalink
Nation
Melbourne, Victoria
3 posts
Can you recommend a case that the hardware would fit into? Preferably around the $90-120 mark
06:32pm 24/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1547 posts

Check out this page, 'all' cases sorted in price, see if there's anything you like.
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=25_547&vk_sort=1&page=2

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http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_547&products_id=25387
This one isn't too bad. Lots of venting, 200mm (quiet) fan up front supplied. Throw a 200m up top as well and run them at like 30-50% speed and it'll be quiet at idle + enough to keep the case temps down under load. Approx 20 drive bays (10 are 2.5" for SSDs), has a window for the shiny bits, simple, stocky looking design that will be easy to clean. Also supports water cooling in the future.

The Prodigy is a "one build + one card fits" type of case, where this one will give plenty of flexibility in the future.

06:43pm 24/03/14 Permalink
Nation
Melbourne, Victoria
4 posts
The second link does not work. But i'll check out the other one.
07:00pm 24/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1548 posts
In that list, it's the "CoolerMaster CM690 III Mid Tower Case with Window" $119.00
07:38pm 24/03/14 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
8459 posts
07:47pm 24/03/14 Permalink
Nation
Melbourne, Victoria
5 posts

Another question i have is of these three motherboards which one is best? Or which one would suit this build best?

This is the one already listed:
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23567&cPath=1491

And these are the two alternatives i'm considering:
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23592&cPath=1491
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21201&cPath=803


08:15pm 24/03/14 Permalink
Roonee
Perth, Western Australia
100 posts
they're all equally not found.

as for gpu - anything that doesn't bottleneck your cpu! (I've got a 6950 throttling an i7 2600k that sits at 3.2gh cos there's not much point in pushing it... could get another 6950 though if I could find one... )
08:33pm 24/03/14 Permalink
Nation
Melbourne, Victoria
6 posts
Okay well the first one is the one listed in the build above so the: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H Motherboard

And the other two are:
ASUS Z87-PLUS Motherboard
ASUS Sabertooth 990FX Motherboard R2.0
08:49pm 24/03/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1549 posts
Either Z87. The 990FX is for AMD chips.
09:12pm 24/03/14 Permalink
FrankDDougherty
USA
1 posts
Hello,

How much did you spend in building those? How much does each part cost? Is it preferable than buying finished one? May I know your purpose for creating those? Is it for gaming or just plain surfing or just a hobby to start on?

I'm just starting to get into PC Gaming, so i don't know too much about building PC's and computer parts. So i got my cousin to help me to come up with three builds. I'm looking for input on each of these as i'm not too crash hot with PC parts and such.

OCing Top of the line build

CPU: i5-4670K (3.4/3.8)
Memory Corsair Vengeance Pro 1866mhz CMY16GX3M2A1866C9 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H Motherboard
Case Coolermaster CM 690
Power Supply Corsair CS750M Modular 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
HDD Seagate SSHD 2TB
SSD Samsung Evo 240GB
GFX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 OC Edition 4GB



Non OC build

CPU: i5-4570 (3.2/3.6)
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X 1600mhz F3-12800CL10D-16GBXL 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3
Motherboard Gigabyte Z87-D3HP
Case Coolermaster CM 690
Power Supply Corsair CS650M Modular 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
HDD Seagate SSHD 2TB
SSD Samsung Evo 240GB
GFX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 OC Edition 4GB



Lower budget build

CPU: i5-4570 (3.2/3.6)
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X 1600mhz F3-12800CL10D-16GBXL 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3
Motherboard Gigabyte Z87-D3HP
Case Any lower budget case
Power Supply Corsair CS650M Modular 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
HDD Seagate SSHD 2TB
GFX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 OC Edition 4GB

Thanks
-Lachie
04:07pm 24/07/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
2300 posts
Frank needs answers guys.
05:08pm 24/07/14 Permalink
mick
New South Wales
1 posts
i just got my first high-end gaming pc from mwave and i am just loving it
specs are
NZXT Switch 810 Full Tower ATX Case
Seagate ST2000DM001 2TB Barracuda Desktop HDD 3.5” 7200RPM SATA3 Hard Drive

G.SKILL Sniper 16GB (2x 8GB) DDR3 1600MHz Desktop Memory F3-1600C9D-16GSR

Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" SATA III SSD MZ-7TE250BW
EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti Superclocked 3GB Video Card x2
Corsair RM-1000 1000W 80 PLUS Gold Power Supply
Corsair Hydro Series H75 Liquid CPU Cooler

Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 7 LGA 1150 Motherboard
Samsung SH-224DB 24x Internal SATA Retail DVD Burner Drive

Intel Core i7 4790K Quad Core LGA 1150 4.0GHz Unlocked CPU Processor
this is the costliest pc i have ever bought but man it is so awesome just love it
i forgot to put in my monitor AOC27 inch3d model a bit bigger than the 19inch 1 i was using and its great all up $3890and so worth it will most likely be my last purchase in the pc as it will last for years and i"m 57.
05:08pm 24/07/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
2301 posts
Thanks mick.

Anyone else lurking on this thread without an account?
Sign up today and get a free whistle and half a bottle of coke. (Not sure if drunken or tipped out, soz)
05:12pm 24/07/14 Permalink
mick
New South Wales
2 posts

Woahhhh, for $899 you'd hope it's more than OK :P 6GB almost seems overkill though doesn't it?

trust me they are worth the money superb.
06:13pm 24/07/14 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
8628 posts
As someone who at the moment plays Diablo 3 and that's about it, I don't understand the need for high end video cards :( Recently got a 750Ti to replace a 460GTX... meh.

For me though, never going back to mechanical HDDs. Got 3x SSDs in my desktop at the moment, yay load times!
01:02pm 25/07/14 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
16074 posts
Once you go SSD, you don't go back.

01:19pm 25/07/14 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
8629 posts
You wouldn't believe the battle I had trying to get work to buy me an SSD :(
01:41pm 25/07/14 Permalink
mick
New South Wales
5 posts
As someone who at the moment plays Diablo 3 and that's about it, I don't understand the need for high end video cards :( Recently got a 750Ti to replace a 460GTX... meh.

For me though, never going back to mechanical HDDs. Got 3x SSDs in my desktop at the moment, yay load times!
you would be surprised how much Age of Conan makes your card work so i got 2 780tis in my build future proofed and ssd's are awesome so yes i love them
03:52pm 25/07/14 Permalink
Jc_23
Brisbane, Queensland
1011 posts
First GeForce in QLD at QGL getting perved on by Lobby and Term - represent. Wait, what's hardware again!? *oggles thread* :)
04:16pm 25/07/14 Permalink
WirlWind
Central Coast, New South Wales
1495 posts
As someone who at the moment plays Diablo 3 and that's about it, I don't understand the need for high end video cards :(


It's pretty simple:

Some people play games other than Diablo 3.
05:41pm 25/07/14 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
38198 posts
id pay me to build you a system (apologies if ive already said this)
07:13pm 25/07/14 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
8630 posts
It's pretty simple:

Some people play games other than Diablo 3.
I don't believe you.
07:13pm 25/07/14 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
16076 posts
It's true, I play Chivalry and I'm totes good at it.
07:26pm 25/07/14 Permalink
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