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Good quality computer shops around Sydney suburbs?
bobby
Sydney, New South Wales
1 posts
I'm building a PC for personal use and I want it to be the duck's nuts. I want it for gaming first and internet second and my budget is $1,000. I'm not a fan of buying goods online and have them delivered to my house as i like to barter with store owners to get the best price possible and it's worked quiet well in the past. I'm new to building PCs but have experiance with upgrading old pentium 4s based PCs as a starting point.

Know any good service computer parts stores in the northern sydney suburbs plus in the city and also parramatta?
09:29pm 25/12/13 Permalink
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zaraq
Adelaide, South Australia
19 posts
Google MSY
03:44am 26/12/13 Permalink
bobby
Sydney, New South Wales
2 posts
G
Google MSY


good stuff mate, there's a branch in ultimo where i can get my favoured 3.4Ghz Core i5 for $240 compared to $290 just up the road from mine
10:30am 26/12/13 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
19041 posts
Didn't you ask for good quality computer shops?
10:38am 26/12/13 Permalink
bobby
Sydney, New South Wales
3 posts
Didn't you ask for good quality computer shops?


Is MSY crap or something?
10:45am 26/12/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
23864 posts
MSY are great for prices but dont expect decent after sales service or for them to pick up the phone.
11:08am 26/12/13 Permalink
bobby
Sydney, New South Wales
4 posts
MSY are great for prices but dont expect decent after sales service or for them to pick up the phone.


according to there website, they answered 2400 calls yesterday
01:15pm 26/12/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
23869 posts
Probably from the ACCC.
01:26pm 26/12/13 Permalink
bobby
Sydney, New South Wales
5 posts
Probably from the ACCC.

lol, is msy really that bad? all i want to buy from there is a CPU an H87 mobo for starters
01:32pm 26/12/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
23870 posts
Nah they're not. I buy my stuff from them. Just be aware that they're cheaper for a reason. I've never had a problem with them personally.
01:35pm 26/12/13 Permalink
bobby
Sydney, New South Wales
6 posts
Nah they're not. I buy my stuff from them. Just be aware that they're cheaper for a reason. I've never had a problem with them personally.

ok sweet, cause i'm new to the building scene at the moment and like to get a bit of customer service when i'm there to get advice.

So here's what i'm planning on

* Core i5 4670 (quad core, 3.4Ghz with 3.8Ghz boost)
* 8GB 1600Mhz RAM
* 1TB Hard Drive & DVD-RW both from last PC
* Nvidia 650 Ti 2GB
* High quality 500w PSU 80 plus
* H87 mobo with USB 3.0 and PCIe 3.0
* mATX case
01:42pm 26/12/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
23871 posts
I'm a hardware newbie but I think you need a more powerful PSU. 600W seems like the minimum.
01:48pm 26/12/13 Permalink
bobby
Sydney, New South Wales
7 posts
I'm a hardware newbie but I think you need a more powerful PSU. 600W seems like the minimum.

nvidia's site said the 650 ti requires a 400w minimum psu
01:54pm 26/12/13 Permalink
Enska
Sydney, New South Wales
2140 posts
That 650 ti won't be great for gaming if that's your intention bobby.
02:16pm 26/12/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
23872 posts
Yeah as I said I don't really know what I'm talking about hehe. Make sure you don't cheap out on your PSU though. I know that much.
02:18pm 26/12/13 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10835 posts
Use a power supply calculator, on the coolermaster or thermaltake website.

I'm sick of people having an i5 with a 7950 and an SSD and people going OMG DUDE YOU NEED AT LEAST A 750W PSU MINIMUM
which is total horses***.
02:20pm 26/12/13 Permalink
bobby
Sydney, New South Wales
8 posts
Make sure you don't cheap out on your PSU though. I know that much.


enough said really. I once bought a dodgey power adapter for my laptop that crippled my system performance

I'll also give that power calculator a go
02:26pm 26/12/13 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10836 posts
And if you're spending extra on a quality PSU with high efficiency, you should actually get the smallest PSU recommended. Because your PC will actually probably spend most of its time not gaming (internet etc) and a PC will only use ~100w not gaming. So if you have a 1000w PSU, then the efficiency curve will dictate that at 100w, your PSU's efficiency is going to be nowhere near as good as the same PSU that's only rated to say 400w.
02:27pm 26/12/13 Permalink
bobby
Sydney, New South Wales
9 posts
And if you're spending extra on a quality PSU with high efficiency, you should actually get the smallest PSU recommended. Because your PC will actually probably spend most of its time not gaming (internet etc) and a PC will only use ~100w not gaming. So if you have a 1000w PSU, then the efficiency curve will dictate that at 100w, your PSU's efficiency is going to be nowhere near as good as the same PSU that's only rated to say 400w.


Power calculator came back as 321w... much lower than i thought. So your saying the lower the PSU wattage the better?
02:31pm 26/12/13 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10837 posts
From what I understand, yes. This is totally against general 'bigger number means fasterer!' thinking.

From here, for example

Slightly more important is this test, which comes in at a load level where 80 Plus does no testing. But you still see this in reality, because computers often don't hit the 20% load level 80 Plus does start testing at when they're sitting there at the Windows desktop. Or the Linux desktop too, for that matter.
Coolermaster GX-450w review on JonnyGuru.com

Personally I'd much prefer to spend money on a really good quality PSU that'll provide stable power rails, quietly, as cool as possible at very high efficiency.
02:37pm 26/12/13 Permalink
bobby
Sydney, New South Wales
24 posts
That 650 ti won't be great for gaming if that's your intention bobby.


It's fine for older games say pre 2009. My 650 ti can run Crysis @ 1920x1080, with everything on very high averaging 47 frames per second which is excellent.
06:36pm 15/01/14 Permalink
ph33x
Thailand
1265 posts

Run as low of a wattage PSU as you can. Consider a Gold or Platinum series 450, 550, or 600W. A 600W will allow room in the future for a big graphics card, which you will eventually need. Last time I checked you can't get anything good quality below 450 watts.

At idle, your system will probably draw about 100-120 watts or so. Something like this as a suggestion: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_535&products_id=21390

I did see a Gold 360 watt unit, but I wouldn't go that low.

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Also, that graphics card is a bit underpowered. If you want more gaming horsepower:
For nVidia get one of these: GTX 670, 760, 680, 770, or 780. (~In order of performance)

For AMD get one of these: 7950, R9 270. 7970, R9 280, R9 290. (~In order of performance)

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A H87 mobo won't overclock properly (if at all). In the future you'll need to upgrade to a Z series chipset for OC support if you want that. If you don't want to OC, then you don't need the 4670K, you could get the 4670. (I think you are from your list, but making sure you're aware of this because I wasn't until I had the chip in front of me)

On top of that, depending on your cash, the 4670 (and all Haswell i5's for that matter) don't have HyperThreading, where the 4770K does, giving you an extra 4 cores. Up to you there, but HT is used in lots of stuff now (BF4 uses 12 cores on my setup).

Not required at all, but yeah, food for thought.

08:18am 16/01/14 Permalink
bobby
Sydney, New South Wales
25 posts

Run as low of a wattage PSU as you can. Consider a Gold or Platinum series 450, 550, or 600W. A 600W will allow room in the future for a big graphics card, which you will eventually need. Last time I checked you can't get anything good quality below 450 watts.

At idle, your system will probably draw about 100-120 watts or so. Something like this as a suggestion: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_535&products_id=21390

I did see a Gold 360 watt unit, but I wouldn't go that low.

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Also, that graphics card is a bit underpowered. If you want more gaming horsepower:
For nVidia get one of these: GTX 670, 760, 680, 770, or 780. (~In order of performance)

For AMD get one of these: 7950, R9 270. 7970, R9 280, R9 290. (~In order of performance)

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A H87 mobo won't overclock properly (if at all). In the future you'll need to upgrade to a Z series chipset for OC support if you want that. If you don't want to OC, then you don't need the 4670K, you could get the 4670. (I think you are from your list, but making sure you're aware of this because I wasn't until I had the chip in front of me)

On top of that, depending on your cash, the 4670 (and all Haswell i5's for that matter) don't have HyperThreading, where the 4770K does, giving you an extra 4 cores. Up to you there, but HT is used in lots of stuff now (BF4 uses 12 cores on my setup).

Not required at all, but yeah, food for thought.



I purchased everything last week and it's all assembled, going great apart from heat issues which i started a new thread on. I went for the 4670 as i don't have a use for a hyper threaded CPU, yet a quad core running at 3.4Ghz, up to 3.8Ghz with turbo boost is excellent for gaming.
08:52pm 16/01/14 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
10244 posts
there's no such things as good computer shops in this country.



there are only good people who keep the show running.


if you're lucky you will get staff who will help you build your enterprise


are you on drugs or something?




....



running your own enterprise is supposed to be a long term involvement..


though part of me now does consider making another Computer Alliance and selling it to Harveys or JB. They wouldn't know what to do with the resources :/

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10:35pm 17/01/14 Permalink
bobby
Sydney, New South Wales
26 posts
Sometimes the staff aren't that helpful in some of the stores. Go into haymarket where they have 12 computer shops in row where a few of them will say to you in the most asian way possible "we no sell, go to shop on otherside"
09:44am 19/01/14 Permalink
ara
Sydney, New South Wales
3815 posts
umart are in nsw now..

i don't use mwave because i think their customer service is terrible.

most of the time i order from pccasegear down in vic.
03:45pm 21/01/14 Permalink
Enska
Sydney, New South Wales
2177 posts
I seriously want some of the drugs Koopz has.
05:28pm 21/01/14 Permalink
Jack
Sydney, New South Wales
63 posts

Qflow computers Eastwood ,,,...great guy, and they have been in business for way over a decade, have bought and built many from this man. IF you tell him Pirate Rick sent you, you will get a discount :)
http://www.yellowpages.com.au/nsw/eastwood/q-flow-technology-12702090-listing.html


06:54pm 21/01/14 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
10247 posts
I seriously want some of the drugs Koopz has.



here


you know that saying... A little knowledge is a dangerous thing?





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