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Google Glass
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
8193 posts
Many people have their google glass now. To try and get an appreciation for what it's like, watch this guy from AllAboutAndroid using it for the first time.



Especially the bit where he gets directions.

They look like idiots staring in to the sky and touching their glasses.

He ends the video converted "That was a life changing... I have seen the future"
10:12am 18/05/13 Permalink
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Deviouz
Melbourne, Victoria
320 posts
I love how the term "gla*******" is becoming the name given to people wearing google glass, but I want wearable tech, somehow, sometime when it doesn't look or seem douchy
10:18am 18/05/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13709 posts
I'd totally get one if it was much lower in price.
11:00am 18/05/13 Permalink
hef
Queensland
2042 posts
"It's like a video game, of life"
11:13am 18/05/13 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
3108 posts
I'm concerned what these things will do to your eyes.

Focusing on something so close can't be good for them and I think there was something recently about how 2D screens can mimic depth but our eyes are still only focused on the one plain, as in our eyes are focused at the screen even if there is an image we are looking at in the "background".

So while our brains are tricked into seeing depth our eyes are not and are focused at the same point a few feet from our face. Which would be a few millimeters when it comes to google glasses or the Oculus.
11:34am 18/05/13 Permalink
Zen Apathy
Brisbane, Queensland
3657 posts
Seems like a really inefficient way to do anything.

I can think on one good use for it. People can take their rubbish gig photos without holding up their f*****g iPhone blocking everyone's view.
11:37am 18/05/13 Permalink
Boxhead
Brisbane, Queensland
12410 posts
I'd be interested in a motorcycle helmet implementation to be honest.. if the head tracking was reliable rather then the counter intuitive slide approach the guy in the vid experienced... Suppose the same would expected from a Car type system
11:55am 18/05/13 Permalink
groganus
Brisbane, Queensland
2552 posts
I'd be interested in a motorcycle helmet implementation to be honest.. if the head tracking was reliable rather then the counter intuitive slide approach the guy in the vid experienced... Suppose the same would expected from a Car type system


There are soo many good applications for this and almost does seem wanky and lame to be focusing on eye wear.. However i still want it.
12:37pm 18/05/13 Permalink
tspec
Melbourne, Victoria
3727 posts
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skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
6583 posts
01:46pm 18/05/13 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
8194 posts
Look at my cool glasses

02:42pm 18/05/13 Permalink
kos
Germany
2639 posts
I'm concerned what these things will do to your eyes.

Focusing on something so close can't be good for them and I think there was something recently about how 2D screens can mimic depth but our eyes are still only focused on the one plain, as in our eyes are focused at the screen even if there is an image we are looking at in the "background".

So while our brains are tricked into seeing depth our eyes are not and are focused at the same point a few feet from our face. Which would be a few millimeters when it comes to google glasses or the Oculus.

There is a big difference between a 2D projection giving the illusion of depth and having a small screen at a certain depth in your vision. The issue with the former is that your eyes are always focussed on the distance to the screen, even though it feels like your depth of focus is changing, whereas with something like Google Glass your eye would focus up close to read the Glass and then normally to look everywhere else.

Military pilots have had things like this for 30+ years, I'm sure there's been some studies into the effects.
08:06pm 18/05/13 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
8204 posts
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parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7572 posts
01:20am 30/05/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4204 posts
Ill be interested when they put together a fully functioning suit like Ironman.
01:30am 30/05/13 Permalink
HonkyHanka
UK
36 posts
The google glass should be interesting, apparently you can take pictures, get directions, take videos, share stuff, it answers your questions and it translates your voice by speaking. lol it sounds cool but it's a bit funny, I mean you're walking around with a thing on your eye and you're like talking to it, robot lol... I don't know why it just sounds creepy
01:55am 30/05/13 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
11879 posts

Many people have their google glass now. To try and get an appreciation for what it's like, watch this guy from AllAboutAndroid using it for the first time.
This was very painful to watch. Apart from him repeatedly saying 'cool', they didn't seem to work very well and make you act like a retard in front of other people...
08:59am 30/05/13 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
37046 posts
they didn't seem to work very well and make you act like a retard in front of other people...
Everyone who says this makes me wonder if when the first mobile phones came out, people were all like "HAHA, you're going to look like an IDIOT walking down the street with that thing held to your head just talking to yourself!"

Who cares what people think about how you look? This is the future of technology - wearable tech that you can talk to and make it do s***. I cannot see how people can't watch these things and be anything but excited, SHUTUP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
09:45am 30/05/13 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1601 posts
I'm more worried by these things than I am excited. The impact to privacy will be immense. I don't like the idea of being filmed by everyone I pass on the street.

The rise of smartphones has already compromised our privacy in some critical ways, these things will take it so much further.
09:53am 30/05/13 Permalink
Opec
Brisbane, Queensland
7801 posts
I can't really see myself using it everyday maybe I'm old and grumpy. But then there are use cases such as these:

http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2011/09/in-depth-review-of-4iiii-ant-heads-up.html

And

http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/03/recon-cycling-display.html

I really think they would be really useful, probably more so for specific purpose like that than a general "Google Glass" that you..you..know...wear... and use it to... reply to SMS ?..
10:10am 30/05/13 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
11880 posts

Everyone who says this makes me wonder if when the first mobile phones came out, people were all like "HAHA, you're going to look like an IDIOT walking down the street with that thing held to your head just talking to yourself!"
I think you're thinking about bluetooth headsets. And people still think you're retarded walking down the road with those. Everyone except your fellow bluetooth power talkers :P
10:17am 30/05/13 Permalink
arkter
Gold Coast, Queensland
1375 posts
I could think of a million uses for these in a work place... imagine being able to walk past something and get a HUD readout! servers.. trading computers...

Even mechanics could have a user manual in their vision while they're pulling apart some fancy new car or something...

So many uses in a workplace..
12:17pm 30/05/13 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
8249 posts
Arkter I agree,

Sales rep reporting back to an Regional Manager on conditions in a store "Dude, you gotta see this s*** to believe it"
General pubbie use though... meh dunno.
01:14pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4208 posts
So many uses in a workplace..


Is there something wrong with me? The first thing I thought of here was an icon for where the boss is and if he isn't somewhere in front of you an arrow pointing to where he is. Pretty handy for a sly break :)
01:14pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13779 posts
I bet people will use it for watching porn in the workplace for sure... Lol imagine at a boring 1hr meeting.
02:25pm 30/05/13 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
10273 posts
This aint gonna happen.
it will be too much of an invasion of Privacy.

Cant find it today but I was reading about a new addition in a brand of car.
It sends information on road conditions/weather back to a host in an area and that information can be shared with other owners of that car.

Of course its also recording everywhere you stop/your speed, but its not sold that way.
Its not a spying device, its a driving aide.

Our Right to Privacy is being taken away by clever marketing.
You walk up to me with one of those Google Glasses and Ill take it you are filming me without my permission.
Its just going to end up in violence.
03:01pm 30/05/13 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
8209 posts
my phone is already doing that. It's great looking at my google maps location history and seeing every where I've been every day.
04:08pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1356 posts
FaceMan why do you purport to being an intellectual when evidently you are not.
Just,... eugh
04:38pm 30/05/13 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
11259 posts
filming me without my permission


lol

I don't need your permission to take your picture. If I publish it you can get a cease and desist, if I make money on it you can sue me. If you say that thing (that I quoted above) into the camera I will put you on YouTube and people will think you're a knob. If it ends up in violence, I have timestamped evidence of why you have intent to assault me.

Good times...
04:46pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Nathan
Brisbane, Queensland
4177 posts
Everyone who says this makes me wonder if when the first mobile phones came out
Yes, I thought the same thing- carrying a mobile phone was seen as wanky.
05:17pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13780 posts

You walk up to me with one of those Google Glasses and Ill take it you are filming me without my permission.
Its just going to end up in violence.



If you behave like that, then you need to improve your behaviour.


This aint gonna happen.
it will be too much of an invasion of Privacy.


I welcome my new google overlords. Really I want this tech and have been waiting 10 years for it. I want it to track my movements, I want it to suggest possible people I should talk to, I want it to remember s*** for me that I always forget.
05:36pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13781 posts
At the moment I enjoy my phone messaging me in the morning telling me of the weather conditions and current traffic with an estimated time of travel to work, and from work to home in the afternoon.

It couldn't do that if I didn't let it track my movements, where I currently am and where I'm likely to be going on that day.

A few weeks back, I didnt get a chance to check the traffic on my computer and I had to leave to be somewhere.

I got an automated message on my phone, letting me know traffic was s***. I also had a weather app with information that heavy rain was incoming. These two factors let me choose, whilst I was walking to my motorbike, to take an alternate way home that proved to be far better traffic wise for that day and I got back just before the rain hit.

If I can do that with my phone, Google Glass type technologoy will help me a lot.

For instance, I have a terrible time remembering peoples faces. It can be very difficult to network like that. Google Glass could perform facial recognition for me and put their name/title and brief description on my heads up display. This is probably the one biggest feature I'm hanging out for, and it will come, eventually.
05:43pm 30/05/13 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1603 posts
Would you ask your friends' permission before you upload their facial scans to Google?
06:09pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21903 posts
filming me without my permission
eagerly awaiting all the pedos who walk passed schools scanning all the kiddies. They should make it so you need a full background check before you can buy that s***.
06:30pm 30/05/13 Permalink
spiral_out
Brisbane, Queensland
2514 posts
I don't need your permission to take your picture. If I publish it you can get a cease and desist, if I make money on it you can sue me. If you say that thing (that I quoted above) into the camera I will put you on YouTube and people will think you're a knob. If it ends up in violence, I have timestamped evidence of why you have intent to assault me.


Spoken like someone who doesn't lift.
If someone isn't keen on their picture being taken, the decent thing to do is comply.
07:19pm 30/05/13 Permalink
spiral_out
Brisbane, Queensland
2515 posts
Would you ask your friends' permission before you upload their facial scans to Google?


Yes, but mainly because a lot of them work in child disability and Qld Education and the powers that be aint keen on drunken grot shots made in fun.
07:23pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13783 posts

Would you ask your friends' permission before you upload their facial scans to Google?


Nope, partly because the facial recognition software would have to find a match somewhere in the public space to get their name. Then it would use other public information such as LinkedIn to get details of their current title and description, heck it might be able to even mine publicly available information on Facebook to get a generalized background and personalities traits of the person you are talking to.

It could use your current location to determine the most likely candidate from matched visual and named information. It could also use the wearers private Facebook information to scan the image against all known Facebook friends profile pictures to speed the process up.

My question to you is, is there really much of a difference to showing your visual face to a human, then showing it to a computer? Both get stored, and processed, both give as much known information about the person as possible.

I suppose the real difference is the face in the human's mind eventually is forgotten. Would you be OK with it if the facial image taken at contact was only temporarily stored in the ram and once the facial recognition process is done it is "forgotten"? Lets pretend Google gets audited in a highly effective way to make sure it is temporary only.

07:33pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13784 posts
Also, as a feature of the head facial recognition software, I'd like a function that checks a locally stored encrypted database against a scanned face so it can stop the process without uploading anything if the scanned person in question has objected to using this technology previously.

edit:
Lol I should Patent this stuff and wait 5 or so years then sue anyone who implements it hehe

Unfortunately the truth is some company has probably already done just that.
07:35pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21904 posts
My question to you is, is there really much of a difference to showing your visual face to a human, then showing it to a computer? Both get stored, and processed, both give as much known information about the person as possible.
Showing your face to one human means that one human has seen it. Putting it on the internet means anyone and everyone can see it.

Now let's say a person is less than attractive. Now let's imagine that person ends up being mocked by millions because of their looks. Now let's imagine that person kills themselves because every time they go out in public their face pops up on everyone's HUD with a funny meme.

Yeah, great use of technology there.
07:41pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7760 posts
I doubt that it would upload the whole photo anyway, rather then having client side software to find the relevant markers (afaik it's all done on distances between noses/cheekbones/ears/eyes/etc, so you'd presumably just be uploading a few rough distance ratios of a few features of somebody's face).
07:42pm 30/05/13 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
10275 posts
tollazor you agreed with my comment:
Our Right to Privacy is being taken away by clever marketing.


You quoted all the good things about your product.
You didn't mention any bad things.

Suppose someone was stalking you.
Someone walking around with google glass would find you and the Cloud would know where you were. Google Glass isn't you, it belongs to Google. Anyone will be able to search for people using it.
Maybe they will call it MateFinder or Live Friend Search or some other catchy name.

Its like a big brother on your shoulder only its not government its the internet.

pedo sees a child with google glass.
searches that image on the net for who that child is, finds a facebook image that matches.
owner of the facebook page is XXXXXXXXXXX check for local listing of that name.

We are sleepwalking into an Age where Privacy no longer exists.



08:32pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21906 posts
with every mobile phone having a camera and dash-cams being more and more popular, "traffic" monitoring cameras, CCTV all over the street, I'm pretty sure we're beyond moving into such an age. That age is here and now.
10:51pm 30/05/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4209 posts
There is a case running through the courts in Chicago atm where a guy is being prosecuted for filming police without their permission. Its using really old anti eves dropping laws and the guy if found guilty could be facing upto a maximum of 70 years in jail.

Sorry i dont have a.link atm as i am at work.

(Edit) oh btw it just so happens police have been exempt from this law due to the fact that police video such as dash cams are important to them carrying out their jobs aparently.

Welcome to the united states of nazi btw
12:32am 31/05/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21909 posts
that rustles my jimmies
12:56am 31/05/13 Permalink
kos
Germany
2680 posts
eagerly awaiting all the pedos who walk passed schools scanning all the kiddies. They should make it so you need a full background check before you can buy that s***.
pedo sees a child with google glass.
searches that image on the net for who that child is, finds a facebook image that matches.
owner of the facebook page is XXXXXXXXXXX check for local listing of that name.

We are sleepwalking into an Age where Privacy no longer exists.

What a load of rubbish it is saying all this about Google Glass. A Google Glass-type device is about the least subtle way I can imagine for pedos to film or take photos of young children in public short of holding a video camera in their face.

What about taking photos from a distance using a camera with a telephoto lens or filming kids using any array of tiny "spy" electronics like pen cameras?

There is a whole world of electronics out there that has been around for a very long time now that would be much more likely to be abused than something as unsubtle as a device like Google Glass.
07:46am 31/05/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13785 posts

Our Right to Privacy is being taken away by clever marketing.


Cool when did I agree to that? What I spoke of, I have not read about btw, it is something I envisioned myself. Gasp, I can think for myself without the input of the great media machine telling me how to live my life (that is what you believe isn't it?

I said the image would be scanning all publicly available information. If you are slightly paranoid nutcase, you don't have to have your information publicly available. No LinkedIn profile, no Facebook, nothing else where you leave your dirty footprints.
It isn't invading anyone's privacy that they haven't already given away. When you display your face in a public setting, that 'information' is public, always has been.


Also in the book Snow Crash, a book that helped shape sci-fi (I believe where the term Avatar in its current use came from) they have a term for people who dress is wearable computing stuff, a Gargoyle. Perhaps you would like to start using that term for people like me who will inevitably be wearing this stuff.
08:14am 31/05/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13786 posts
Also after speaking with a friend about it last night he has a great idea.

If you are truly upset about this technology there is a rather simple way to disrupt it on a small scale.

Wear a short range wireless jammer. All internet communication would be useless while you are around. Sure they could record/store images however they wont be able to do anything with it until after you are gone at least.

With the system I want in place above, the image would be on my device as long as it sees you, after you walk away its gone.


Of course, the government could still track you movements by following the black holes of internet non-connectivity moving around and correlating that information with government databases of other activity such as were you live to get a pretty good chance of figuring out who is the blackhole, providing not too many people do it. Also, as if that would happen any time soon, it would require far more integration then is currently happening.
08:20am 31/05/13 Permalink
Taipan
USA
4211 posts
Those jammers are flat out illegal in australia mate, owning to a law on disrupting telecommunications thats about 70 years old. I dont recall the specifics other than to say use it at your own peril.

I qctually looked into getting one in order to deal with obnoxious c**** on their mobile phones. Id still like to have one for those special kind of retards. Aparently they can be as small as a key ring remote like your car has and affect an area of something like ten meters which would be good enough for a train carriage ect.
08:25am 31/05/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13788 posts
Yes they are, so is punching someone in the face because you object to their freedom.

At least with the jammer you are more anonymous haha.
08:54am 31/05/13 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
8210 posts
Would you ask your friends' permission before you upload their facial scans to Google?
I wouldn't upload their pictures "to Google", implying the public web. I would expect it to be kept private to me. In "the cloud" sure, but under my privacy control. And yes, while google is pushing the privacy boundaries either they are training me to accept their view or staying on what I consider the acceptable side.

So that when google glass identifies a face I HAVE TAGGED it gives them the name i've tagged them with. Just like when my picasa identifies someone in a photo it's using the information I have told them, or they have given me access to.

if i've linked their facebook profile, sure, but I would expect it just to trawl my address book, my data, that i have provided.

I can't wait till the tech isn't so wanky, it's going to help me a lot.
02:19pm 31/05/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13790 posts
natslovR knows the score. I can't wait.
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