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Complete nework gear for new house
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7761 posts
I've tried to get some bits and pieces of suggestions of equipment for my new house, which if I'm lucky will be done in four weeks or so. However my brother, who's responsibility I'd tried to task with it, has made little or no useful progress to selecting network equipment, so I thought I'd ask for some ideas.

Here's the rough outline of what I hope to achieve.

For budget reasons, you'll notice for the most part there's just one ethernet port to each room. The plan is here to have PoE switches (generally 5 port) at most of these points.

So, I'm looking at something like a PoE switch in BR3, behind the TVs in the living room, and in the sitting room (study). These might need to be 8 port.
I also plan to run an access point both off the TV unit, and probably another one in the garage. This should give decent perpendicular coverage to the study, B1 and B3. Preference are units that can do WDS+AP. I currently run enterprise DLink 3200APs and they're fine, but only 11g - time for an upgrade.

And lastly, NBN in to the house, and room for half a dozen microservers and other geek devices. I have no idea what HWIC I might need on a Cisco device to handle NBN.

So - going to need a few small PoE switches, and then a decent router. By 'decent router', I mean something that's going to be able to handle two bittorrent clients smashing a connection and not die under the CPU load - we have a DLink DGL-4100 and Cisco 877, both of which handles it fine (traffic is rarely the issue, it's always CPU load that's a problem).

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/97682/house/electrical.png
Points marked 'DC6' are CAT6 ethernet ports.


So - suggestions?
By that I mean specific brands and models.
I'm considering maybe Routerboard devices for the switches, NetGear APs (enterprise, of course), and maybe a Cisco 2811 or 1841 - but both of these are retired models.
No particular budget, but I won't baulk at spending, say, $300-400 on each AP and $1k on a router.
11:13am 18/03/13 Permalink
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Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13633 posts
Network layout looks good, PoE would be fine for the end points.

I'd suggest a wireless AP at each end of the house if you haven't already factored it in (couldn't tell from your diagram but I didn't pore over it hah). Not everything is / works well wired so if you want network nirvana having a couple of APs works well. Chuck them on different channels though.

I recently brought an old router out of retirement for this purpose and can't recommend it enough. We have a pretty dense house (besser block internal walls) so streaming video to the DLNA player in the bedroom across the house (even placing the wireless-N router as centrally as possible) didn't cut it.
11:20am 18/03/13 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10903 posts
get a sliding door for that pantry
11:34am 18/03/13 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7920 posts
How is it cheaper to have multiple small switches?

Surely it is cheaper to run the cheap as s*** cable and have one switch?
11:38am 18/03/13 Permalink
TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
5491 posts
Yeah i would have made it at least 2 ports in each room and 4-6 where the TV is than have 1 24port gigabit switch. I would recommend getting Fritz 7390 for router http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=&&bid=2&sid=77629

It has 4 x gigbit ports and 1 can be converted to WAN port for NBN and is recommend by NBN as it can handle 100mbit throughput. with switches i would buy cheap TP-Link gagbit switch
11:43am 18/03/13 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10904 posts
I don't understand why you cheaped out on putting more points in, which are what like 90 bucks a point plus 200 for a 24-port patch panel, but you don't mind spending hundreds, and even thousands, on network gear. Not to mention the added running/electricity costs of extra equipment, maintenance/replacements, and the clusterf*** of a network that it will be.
You had a chance to do this right.
11:52am 18/03/13 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10905 posts
putting a goddamn switch behind a tv, this is some f*****g ghetto slumdog plan dude, may as well keep a switch up your arse too, and wear your 1k router as a hat
11:58am 18/03/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7762 posts
How is it cheaper to have multiple small switches?

Surely it is cheaper to run the cheap as s*** cable and have one switch?

Sadly, no. Metricon charge $140/point.
Let's say we want 5 devices in the study and hmm... let's see, TV, PS3, XBox, AP, Wii, DVR all on the wall unit which use ethernet - at $165/port, it adds up pretty quickly.


TiT, being able to handle 100mbps isn't the issue, it's being able to handle managing connections being created, dropped etc. Most routers can handle a straight, basic FTP connection at high speeds; it's when you start hammering it like a BT client that they start to fall over. So my question would be is how it goes under that kind of use?

If I was doing it 'right', it'd be over $10k just in CAT6 points.
11:59am 18/03/13 Permalink
TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
5494 posts
wow i did my apartment cat 6. it cost me bottle vodka (mate electrician) and $150 for like 200m of cat6. the Fritz box can handle all that easy!! ive got 24port switch hooked up to it with about 6-8 LAN connections and around 10 Wireless devices. I have a few BT clients runnign as welll never have any issues... however ive had netgear before and it couldnt handle it. Fritz has lots of grunt also supports IP6
12:03pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13638 posts
I liked the bit where Raven has made a cost-benefit decision about his cabling and asks about hardware choices ... and QGL talks about cabling costs, the cherry on the cake being thermite's as usual deranged rant that may or may not be satirical.

Classic QGL.
12:11pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Some Fat Bastard
Brisbane, Queensland
1328 posts
I have 38 points throughout the house. 3 in every bedroom except mine (network + telephone/foxtel + TV aerial), there are 2 x 3 in mine. mostly due to having more options where I want to connect to within each room. Then there are multiples in the kitchen, dining room, two lounge rooms and a rumpus room. The only places I don't are the bathrooms, toilets and laundry. I over designed but who cares, I could afford it. It's a 34 square single story home not including the double garage covering 16 perches thus the 600+ metres of cabling .

The office has 12 (plus 16 power points in 2 x 4 banks and 4 x 2 banks) cause I run a lot of s*** (in the office are an SQL Server, File/VM Server, Media Server, 2 laptops, 2 desktops). I have 2 x 24 port patch panels in the office. I have over 600m of Cat6 in the walls and ceilings. I also have two phone lines into the house. I run the house on 2 phase with one half on one phase and the other on another phase with commercial grade wiring.

I also use WiFi.

Overall we have 8 computers, 2 tablets, 5 smartphones in the house.

I wired the house and placed all the ports during the build myself before the giprock went up.
12:14pm 18/03/13 Permalink
StopShootingMe
Brisbane, Queensland
3592 posts
What's the minimum qualification needed to run network cabling in the walls and install plates? Seems like a licence to print money.
12:41pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Mantis
Brisbane, Queensland
1112 posts
I did my whole place in cat6. Got it all from eBay for around $600 for a 24 port switch, 5 wall sockets (easy to install as they just have normal connector on back too, yay, no wiring). Also got a huge amount of various length cables which i used half for setup and have a heap shorter ones for use inside.

Did the install myself which was not hard, just drill holes in walls and up into wall from underneath. Then run cables.

Have 11 ports for upstairs (2 doubles and 1 triple in lounge, double each per both bedrooms) and when i fill in under house (raised timber) i will do same setup down there.

I thought about just getting a roll of wire and doing all the cutting/crimping myself but i got lazy and for not much more i got premade and the cool/easy wall mounts.

I am loving having ports everywhere and not seeing cables running anywhere.
12:44pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7763 posts
I'm happy to go through a complete list of the equipment to be used, but I don't think it's necessary. Needless to say being that I'm a pretty high-end geek there'll be tons of devices both wired and wirelss - for example, the ACL on the D-Link APs at home current would have well over 30 devices, probably 40 at a guess. There's heaps of tablets, phones and notebooks floating around the house.
Ethernet at the old house is much the same - for example there's four ports just to my bedroom (two to each side of the room). In fact, we've just about filled two 24 port switches.

The new house is likely to be the same.

The question really is about equipment to run this whole thing. Like, for example, I'd be really happy to use Enterprise D-Link gear again, with 3200 APs - but they're only 11g, which should indicate their age. I'd be looking at n/ac devices now (I already have spare antennaes), but one of the biggest problems with APs is their stability and ability to handle professional loads without falling over constantly, so going to any new device I want to be sure of its quality. I'm not even considering devices you would pick up at Harvey Norman, unless it's really high end for what they keep.

Same deal with the router - I'm completely happy to look at Cisco Network Modules and various HWICs to get the job done.
12:45pm 18/03/13 Permalink
trillion
Brisbane, Queensland
2828 posts
Lol don't wake thermite up on a Monday
12:49pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7764 posts
Oh I'm just ignoring thermite. I too couldn't be sure whether he was trolling, being a d***, or being himself. He's been like that in other threads this morning so I figured "meh", not gonna s*** in my own thread bothering with him.
12:51pm 18/03/13 Permalink
TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
5495 posts
you dont need to go enterprise with hardware at all. still recommend Fritzbox if you wanted anything more than that then create yourself your router using pfsense. Fritz supports 2.4ghz and 5ghz wireless and pretty dam fast!!

Good router and cheap Switch and your set!
01:11pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7765 posts
Fritz is an embedded AP/802.11* router, I would much rather have these as discreet devices which can use WDS - preferably something which can be controlled from a single management device and manage a cluster.

For APs I'm leaning towards something like a pair of DWL-6600APs, possibly with a DWC-1000, but I'd prefer something which can use a discreet external antenna and use 802.11ac. DAP-2360s look like a good single-band 300Mbps substitute for the DWL-3200AP, but they're still only 11n - just had another look at Netgear's enterprise gear and looks like that's still stuck in the dark ages of 11g. However good antennae are hard to come by for 5GHz anyway, so it's almost barely worth looking at dual-band devices.

Another option is using something like the Routerboard RB751G-2HnD, which would be PoE, and chucks out a nice 1000mW, but that's only at 2.5dBi and I think the ext antennae is some silly MMCX meaning you'd have so much loss converting it to rp-SMA that it might not be worth the trouble. Performance doens't seem to be too fabulous once you tart throwing filter rules at it though, 24 entries in your ACL drops you to 35Mbps/53kpps - can't say I've seen performance degration like that on the DWL-3200AP. They're cheap as hell though, something like $80 each.

In terms of general switches while RB have things like the RB1100AHx2 which will push 1m pps, it's only 13 port. Something like a D-Link DGS-1210-28 is probably going to be way better, since we cal push 56Gbps switched for under $300, and that gives us 24 GigEth ports plus 4 SFP.

I'm hearing (but can't seem to confirm) that a Cisco HWIC-4ESW won't play nice with NBN, which is why I'd need to look at an alternative pure dumb router that's going to do nothing but pass data from a good quality core router to one handling the NBN connection.


I'm looking for recommendations more along these lines, which might allow remote management etc etc.
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Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
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^ so sandy!
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ara
Sydney, New South Wales
3618 posts
Cisco 1921, comes with 2 Gig interfaces, you know you want to :)
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Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7767 posts
Cheers ara, that's actually the model I was looking for. For some reason I had 1911 in my head and it didn't look right with regards to what features it had.

That's basically be ideal so we can run voice throughout the house.
05:49pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Mass
Brisbane, Queensland
1376 posts
I don't understand your network diagram you have there.......where do all those points terminate to? Surely you just have them all terminating at one point. At $140 per point I'd be asking them to leave the cable hanging out the wall and terminate it yourself.
05:57pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21570 posts
putting a goddamn switch behind a tv, this is some f*****g ghetto slumdog plan dude, may as well keep a switch up your arse too, and wear your 1k router as a hat

Someone got out of bed on the wrong side of their period.

Switches behind the TV sounds like an ok idea to me. If you only have a TV and BD player now, 2 wires, but in the future who knows what you might have. You could either run 12 cables to each room to be sure, or just run one or two and put a small switch in each room. Makes perfect sense. In fact it makes so much sense I might copy this idea because at the moment I've got a rats nest of cables going off in all directions from a central switch. F*** me it's annoying when one of the cables goes wrong, or I unplug them all without marking which one is which :p

I liked the bit where Raven has made a cost-benefit decision about his cabling and asks about hardware choices ... and QGL talks about cabling costs, the cherry on the cake being thermite's as usual deranged rant that may or may not be satirical.Classic QGL.

Is why I rarely ask for advice on here.
06:06pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7768 posts
It's all terminated to a wall in the garage, albeit poorly. I'm completely unhappy with the way they've terminated it all - in fact, I'm going to tell them I want it fixed. By 'fixed', I mean neatly on a patch-panel - not on two bloody wall plates like they've done, which looks amateur as.

I fail to see why a switch behind a TV would be a problematic idea. You're rarely going to be using multiple devices simultaneously (for high-bandwidth networking), and even if you were, even 1080p x264 isn't going to saturate GigEth.
06:09pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21571 posts
^^I was going to ask whether one cable would handle the bandwidth but I figure if you're running a LAN in one room the switch in that room would just route traffic inside that room while someone else watching TV would be using a different cable all together and neither would interfere... right? I don't really know how networks work, I just know mine always does and my brothers' is always broken
06:14pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7769 posts
Well, probably no, because the NASes would either be located in the garage or study. So lets say it goes to the DLNA enabled Sony TV and the microservers are in the garage, it's going to:

Microserver 2 (storage)
core switch
Microserver 1 (DLNA transcode)

Then you'd have transcoded h264 going:
Microserver 1 (DLNA server)
core switch
lounge switch
Sony TV.

If the microservers live in the Study, it will be:
Microserver 2 (storage)
study switch
Microserver 1 (DLNA transcode)

Microserver 1 (DLNA server)
study switch
core switch
lounge switch
Sony TV.

Switching is cheap though. Honestly, you don't give a f*** about how many hops you have to go through a switch, because it only has to read the frame header before it starts retransmitting.
Where it gets expensive is if you're routing, then it has to get the entire packet (or frame? Help me out here ara). That means both processing power and latency.

This is why my brother and I just had an argument because he has this retarded idea that he wants the APs to be on a separate subnet to everything else, and not only that but directly connected to the same router that hosts the net connection.
That means that the poor little CPU in the same router that hosts our internet connection has to not die if someone decides to stream video from, say, the microserver to their wireless device, because it's doing this instead:

Microserver 2 (storage)
core switch
Microserver 1 (DLNA transcode)
Microserver 1 (DLNA server)
core switch
main router
AP
Device.

But at the router, it has to actually process every packet to forward it.

I instead insisted it would be better to have either a f***off fast router, or have two routers - one for the net connection, so if its CPU is loaded every other client on the network has to deal with not having a net connection, and a separate router/ISR to handle everything else; or, as a final option, just not f*****g require wireless traffic to be routed, arrrrrgh! His argument was "but broadcast traffic"... seriously, what the f*** are you sending on broadcast that's going to saturate 300Mbps?!
06:41pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21576 posts
WTC? That seems like a lot of hassle. Right now I've got

cable modem -> Router -> Switch

Switch (same switch as ^^^)
|-> NAS, TV, BD, Computers
07:08pm 18/03/13 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
9953 posts
perhaps it's just me.. I don't read porno mags anymore - Triple M has 'Rachel's storytime' every Thursday late arvo to do this for me... hmm... I need to get into the whole AusStereo podcasting thing...

likewise, why don't people punch out their potential network creations using something like Gliffy and just screenshot the thing so they don't have to do the whole registration situation?

( no OP - not going to do it for you... it's your money man, and given your history here, we all know you can do this )
10:30pm 18/03/13 Permalink
TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
5499 posts
holy s*** raven sounds like you preparing for corporate/enterprise LAN party or something
11:51pm 18/03/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7772 posts
Indeed. There will be a DC++ server running sharing internal company memos, source code to utilities, and newsletters. The'll be a cash prize for the Tetrinet tournament, but all the networking guys will be there to play a game where they attempt to break in to, hack and drop other peoples VPN connections.
09:17am 19/03/13 Permalink
eXemplar
Brisbane, Queensland
2831 posts
If you have so many servers and haven't yet built your own router to meet your needs, buy a cheap gigabit soho router with wireless-n of some description and that supports a wan connection via rj45 port (not just adsl), plant it in the middle of your house somewhere and just hook it back to your main switch.

Any particular reason you want PoE stuff? And two aps via wds instead of just a single high powered ap for a single story small area? +1 so bad on 2 ports per wall panel, really regret only doing one.

NBN connections come with a termination unit that has battery backup and rj45 output, so there really shouldn't be a need for your own fibre ic stuff, but if you really want to check with your preferred ISP as to their policy and support on this (do you really want to get hung up on cuz they can use 'your endpoint your problem' as an excuse to a bad line?) If it doesn't have NBN yet, ++++soho kit
03:49am 20/03/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35366 posts
man, your whole setup seems like way overkill and a huge amount of $$$$$$$.

i have internets/cabling in every room of my house using either poe or just cabled from my tp-link router or wireless n and im more than covered for tvs/data/media.

id be thinking long and hard if you're really going to need to setup like this.

unless of course you are rich and want to be future proofed for evs.
06:24am 20/03/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7774 posts
If you have so many servers and haven't yet built your own router to meet your needs, buy a cheap gigabit soho router with wireless-n of some description and that supports a wan connection via rj45 port (not just adsl), plant it in the middle of your house somewhere and just hook it back to your main switch.

Strong contender is actually a D-Link DSR-500N.

Any particular reason you want PoE stuff? And two aps via wds instead of just a single high powered ap for a single story small area? +1 so bad on 2 ports per wall panel, really regret only doing one.

If we're getting plenum rated stuff and mounting it in a roof, or other inconvenient location, it means less power adapters all over the place.
It also means for voice handsets we don't have to power them separately. The less power supplies, the better.

man, your whole setup seems like way overkill and a huge amount of $$$$$$$.

Don't know about a huge amount. If you've got a lot of equipment, you need gear to run it, and the big difference here is I'm buying it all at once rather than incrementally like most people would have. I have no problems spending $1300 (approx price of a Cisco 1921 with a couple of HWICs) on a router if it's going to do a good job. A 2901 isn't off the cards either.
I think for a question like 1921 vs 2901, QGL might not be the best place :)
10:47am 20/03/13 Permalink
TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
5503 posts
man, your whole setup seems like way overkill and a huge amount of $$$$$$$.


I totally agree, you dont need to spend $1300 on that a router.
11:29am 20/03/13 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8823 posts
holy s*** raven sounds like you preparing for corporate/enterprise LAN party or something


Yeah, sounds like overkill and a nightmare all rolled into one!
11:31am 20/03/13 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
7254 posts
couple of wireless dongles should do the trick
12:15pm 20/03/13 Permalink
existence
Brisbane, Queensland
7398 posts
jesus f*****g christ.. im in the process of wiring my house that im building atm(im a sparky)... HOW MANY F***EN ETHERNET ports do you want?!?!?!?! what in the f***?

i am defs not an uber nerd but iv run

2xcat6 to main tv
2xcat6 to master tv
2xcat6 to upstairs tv
2xcat6 to media/study

and i think thats it? should i be putting in more? i really didnt think data points in the 3 other bedrooms were necessary? iv run FTA coax there.. didnt wire for foxtel to them either! also they will all be running back to a patch panel thing connected to optus cable and a NAS that will run the WDTV lives

08:48pm 20/03/13 Permalink
existence
Brisbane, Queensland
7399 posts
only breezed through thread.. just read the 3 replies above me.. you are definitely going way overboard mate.. iv done absolutely enormous houses like PIMP f*****g mansions in raby bay and bulimba and they dont have that sort of data setup. youre f*****g CRAZY BRO


and lol.. spend less money on your network setup.. and get some downlights in that motherf*****

that is the weirdest f*****g floor plan iv ever seen =/

08:54pm 20/03/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35373 posts
didnt wire for foxtel to them either! also they will all be running back to a patch panel thing connected to optus cable and a NAS that will run the WDTV lives


f*** off the wdtv lives petey and get some smart tvs up in your hizzouse
05:48am 21/03/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7776 posts
Always great to see how because it goes beyond other peoples requirements, it's "overkill". Nevermind that this is supposed to handle multiple VPNs and voice, host a couple of servers in addition to regular data throughout the home. And then we've had only one actual product suggestion - from ara - which was basically on the money.
I mean hey, if anyone actually has product suggestions that's going to not fall over under the scenarios I've given examples of, be my guest - but noone's really bothered to address the number of devices in, say, the living room and study where switches are still needed. What, you think everything's going to work with two points? Desktop, Notebook... s***, I ran out. Nevermind that there'll be a DVR, two more NASes, a TV, two desktops and two notebooks there...

existence, I can not fathom why you would not put at least a minimum of one ethernet connection in to every living area in the house. Not to mention putting in antennae points and then not putting in ethernet? That just sounds backwards to me. What, your master bedroom is good enough to need 2x etc but no other bedroom needs any?

And downlights? Really? What is this, the 80s? No thanks, downlights are the most retarded idea for home use ever, I'll never understand why they haven't gone the way of the dinosaur. They don't provide anywhere near the quality of lighting a good lighting set up will when you use the environment to its advantage, instead just just result in having a lit floor with expensive bulbs that are inferior to modern LED bulbs.
08:40am 21/03/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35374 posts
so pray tell raven, how many call centres are you going to be running out of your house?
08:44am 21/03/13 Permalink
Some Fat Bastard
Brisbane, Queensland
1333 posts
Raven, do what you want, it's your house.
08:49am 21/03/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7777 posts
No call centers, but there's at least two sites hosted at home currently, plus a heap of services to support my development projects, including test environments.

SFB, it's more about actually trying to get some recommendations on equipment which will do the job. Instead, it's turned in to people thinking they know better what the needs or wants of the environment are - and trying to specify what the requirements are.

last edited by Raven at 09:14:49 21/Mar/13
09:13am 21/03/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13650 posts
I can't imagine how asking for advice on enterprise-grade networking hardware for your home could raise these sorts of questions?
09:23am 21/03/13 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8828 posts
As said do what you see fit. I only mentioned a nightmare as I'm not very good at network stuff and I get the s**** quick smart, so a nightmare to me. I'm sure network boffins would be alright though.

I only ran one network point out to my TV (originally for xbox) but recently needed another for the WD Live. A $39 switch fixed that up no worries and I still have a 6 ports spare.

09:34am 21/03/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7778 posts
I only ran one network point out to my TV (originally for xbox) but recently needed another for the WD Live. A $39 switch fixed that up no worries and I still have a 6 ports spare.

If this thread is anything to go by, that's overkill ;)
09:44am 21/03/13 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8829 posts
True, now I have to go and buy some s*** to use up the ports - I can't just leave them unused, what a waste.
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10:09am 21/03/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
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Is this the place to discuss home networking now?

http://i.imgur.com/f9BDDG0.png

My setup is constantly evolving. I hate hate hate ground wire and for a while was well setup with gigabit cat6, kids were fewer and littler so we had a spare room. Now we have no room and the latest iteration is my 'office' being a desk in a bastardised corner of the dining room. We're eventually going to fill in the grey area which is an external concrete slab for home office space.

Anyway most of the cat6 is now superfluous to need. The two APs are connected hardline which means that the T-Box in the bedroom TV can happily stream 1080p media from the Plex server on the PC in the dining room via the bridged wireless networks. I no longer run a NAS (used to be one near the lounge TV) and my PC just stores medias with Plex serving it up wirelessly to any device in the house.
11:00am 21/03/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35375 posts
yer, i just added a heap of s*** to my setup which caused a few tears.

my wireless n on my beloved tplink router died. happened to pick up a poe router, which just lives as a switch and serves up datas to all the points in my house;

found out wdtv are super picky with their data delivery, so had to switch things around.

all bedrooms in my house are cabled, wireless covers all upstairs and downstairs and now with poe, my lounge room is all sorted as well.

total cost of my network, about $200.

surprisingly, i didnt need any enterprise gear to get full speed covereage for all my devices!
11:32am 21/03/13 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8830 posts
found out wdtv are super picky with their data delivery


What do you mean by that?

I've got one in the bedroom (on wireless) and it works fine all the time, it's not far from the router though.

I've also got one on the lounge room. This one was causing a few headaches. It was initially on wireless as I didn't have a spare port, but now I got a switch and it's wired it also super reliable. A dodgy HDMI cable also added to the woes, but has since been binned and smiles are now back.
12:34pm 21/03/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13656 posts
I've got one in the bedroom (on wireless) and it works fine all the time, it's not far from the router though.

Yeh my T-Box (DLNA player) in the diagram at MBR wasn't good enough for wireless-N from the living room TV point, but its flawless now across the hall from BR1 on plain old g.
12:37pm 21/03/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35376 posts
found out wdtv are super picky with their data delivery


mine wouldnt work on wireless, or even poe.

was super flakey.

soon as i plugged in the good old blue cable, its been ok.

my tv getting the same signal over poe doesnt drop a beat watching 10gig mkv 3d rips.
12:48pm 21/03/13 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5741 posts
Always great to see how because it goes beyond other peoples requirements, it's "overkill". Nevermind that this is supposed to handle multiple VPNs and voice, host a couple of servers in addition to regular data throughout the home. And then we've had only one actual product suggestion - from ara - which was basically on the money.
I mean hey, if anyone actually has product suggestions that's going to not fall over under the scenarios I've given examples of, be my guest - but noone's really bothered to address the number of devices in, say, the living room and study where switches are still needed. What, you think everything's going to work with two points? Desktop, Notebook... s***, I ran out. Nevermind that there'll be a DVR, two more NASes, a TV, two desktops and two notebooks there...
Have you considered maybe ditching the micro servers and using something like a norco build with with xen/esxi and GPU passthrough for dlna transcoding?

Routers
Ubnt Edgemax - its vyatta under the hood and cheap as f***
pFsense box built on something like a lannerinc FW-7568 or larger these are actually pretty cheap
Cisco 1941 - yeah I know but its about the hwic's and gives you huge flexibly and GBE, and it can be had for about $200 more than a 1921- I run with twin 1841's as part of my cisco lab but once nbn comes knocking its either pf or this


Switching
Did you need POE could you get away with some injectors? if so then the HP 1810 is f*****g awesome for the price, lifetime warranty, supports 802.1Q VLAN tagging and 802.3AD cheap as f*** but L2 - I am runing the 24port version myself
Or HP 2910al-24G-PoE+ where you get basic L3 + POE + lifetime warranty I have seen around the 1k mark
WS-C3750G-24PS-S Bit pricey for a home build

For the love of f*****g god don't get little switches and have them loitering around the house, get it wired back to the garage in a comms rack
10:12pm 21/03/13 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5742 posts
10:14pm 21/03/13 Permalink
existence
Brisbane, Queensland
7400 posts
The other bedrooms in the house are likely to be for children, who can connect to whatever they need wirelessly!

Dude LED down lights are pretty much the best lights you can put in your house. They're expensive but super energy efficient and look pretty...

Ceiling mounted lights are the old school and never get used.. Every new house iv done in the past 5 years that's above average quality had been filled with down lights whether they're halogen fluro or LED (u can't use halogen anymore) go on realestate.com.au and have a look for yourself - obviously you don't have 1 downlight instead of 1 surface mounted light.. U have 4 or 6 instead of the 1 big light in the middle

I guess ill run some data to the bedrooms.. It's getting sheeted next week so iv still got time. Not taking foxtel there though that's silly

And ill say it again dude, you can't "fathom" it.. But we did Corey parked house, Emily jade from triple Ms house, and heaps of huuuuuge houses in really really nice areas and none of them had a setup close to yours... So that might help u fathom it.. Iv never known anyone/seen so many devices ever in a house to make your network justified!
06:26am 22/03/13 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
4049 posts
I wouldnt bother with ethernet, wifi is good enough these days.
07:13am 22/03/13 Permalink
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