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Gaming keyboard and mouse
Merlyn
Geelong, Victoria
817 posts
Hej guys'n'gals

My keyboard has pretty much died and i am looking for a new kit.
(keyboard and mouse)
What are people using and where to get it from?
02:53pm 21/04/12 Permalink
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Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2154 posts
Logitech G110 $130, D*** Smiths, EB, JB
http://www.logitech.com/keyboards/keyboard/devices/5902

Razer Lachesis $90 D**** Smiths, EB, JB,
http://au.razerzone.com/razer-lachesis
02:57pm 21/04/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
946 posts
if you're shopping for Logitech gear, shop from Logitech Shop (also trading as) 'Fluidtek'
(There's something up with the 'logitechshop' website atm, but it often features on OzBargain as the owner frequently has a sale of one form or another going on (and includes free delivery on all orders best I can figure)

I can't recommend their keyboards atm (after replacing my G15 (original) with a G510 about 8 months ago, I can't help but report that I dislike the 'feel' in the actual keys (very 'spongy' rebound and poor performance... I think the 'W' key is dying already...)

As for mice, I thoroughly rate the G700 atm (which can be had for ~$75-85 from the link above on a good day).
The left and right click on the mouse are v.sensitive (read: light to touch) so that took a little getting used to, but all in all, very happy with that mouse.
02:58pm 21/04/12 Permalink
DK
Brisbane, Queensland
674 posts
Keyboard: microsoft x4. about 40 dollars and has macros, backlit, comfortable

Mouse: CM Spawn. about 40 dollars. Best "claw grip" mouse i have used.
03:24pm 21/04/12 Permalink
TufNuT
I like eel pie
Brisbane, Queensland
3852 posts
Keyboard:
Microsoft X6

Mouse

Razer Naga
03:27pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
18875 posts
Mechanical keyboard or GTFO
03:31pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6339 posts
Keyboard - Razer Black Widow
Mouse - WoW Cataclysm Mouse.

The keyboard is mechanical and by Gods it is awesome. However the mouse I use isn't actually at all intended for WoW use, it was a friends one that I traded for my old CoolerMaster Sentinel (another one I recommend) and I just really like it.
03:43pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil™
Wynnum, Queensland
20350 posts
The logitech G510 keyboards are damn awesome. $99 from Computer Alliance at the moment. Can change the backlight to pretty much any color you like plus it has 54 programmable macro keys down the left side. Also the keyboard feels lovely to type on as well.

As for mice. I just use the trusty ol' Microsoft intellimouse. Hasn't skipped a beat in years.

8-)

http://www.members.optushome.com.au/gpahl/logitech.jpg
03:50pm 21/04/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5407 posts

Keyboard:

steelseries 6g v2.
Pros: Mechanical (though that doesn't really bug me either way)
Built like a brick (it weighs several KG's this is why i bought it, so it'd last another 8-10 years like my last keyboard).
Oh also it seems to have pretty much no ghosting and very good NKLM or whatever the key rollover thing is called this thing i can pretty much press more keys than i have fingers and toes and no wrong buttons get hit, and all of the ones which are depressed light up in the correct order of pressing them.
Cons: No windows button. Seriously, didn't know that before i bought it (on a whim) and now i can't press windows E or windows R or windows D or windows L. I use those commands like 30 times a day each. Sigh.


Mouse:

Gigabyte Aivia m8600
Pros: Wireless, has two batteries, can become corded, heavy
Cons: Is heavy for those who don't like it heavy, the plus and minus sensitivity buttons aren't ideally placed.

In total both together cost me 164 dollars from Computer Alliance, but i bought them through my work corporate account.
03:53pm 21/04/12 Permalink
travdawg
Gold Coast, Queensland
214 posts
I full endorse Timmeh's post. Logitec g110 is great after you get used to typing on it, having an extra 12 buttons in close proximity to your pinky finger is great for any macro-orientated game.
04:27pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Zen Apathy
Brisbane, Queensland
3600 posts

Keyboard:

steelseries 6g v2.
Pros: Mechanical (though that doesn't really bug me either way)
Built like a brick (it weighs several KG's this is why i bought it, so it'd last another 8-10 years like my last keyboard).
Cons: No windows button. Seriously, didn't know that before i bought it (on a whim) and now i can't press windows E or windows R or windows D or windows L. I use those commands like 30 times a day each. Sigh.

It has a windows button just the one one on the right instead of one on the right and one on the left.
04:38pm 21/04/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5408 posts
It has a windows button just the one one on the right instead of one on the right and one on the left.

That's not how i'm going to train my hands to work, even windows L for locking my computer i use my pinky and my thumb at work (as i'm standing up) and retraining that sounds all too hard :( I mean i'll live with it - i use all those commands a lot more on my work computer (using a g15) than i do at home, it's just that i'm pressing those buttons by habit and nothing happens and that takes a bit to get used to :s
04:42pm 21/04/12 Permalink
RockitMan
Brisbane, Queensland
6388 posts
CoolerMaster Spawn mouse is the best gaming mouse ever if you use a claw grip. I think gamer was the one who recommended it on qgl ages ago after trying every mouse out there.

http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=3021&product_name=CM%20Storm%20Spawn

Only costs like $30 or $40 or so too!

I'd buy any CM product after using the spawn - the quality, design and price is beyond anything else I've seen.
05:02pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6778 posts
Logitech MX500 FTW.
05:42pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
19753 posts
G110 looks like a G19 minus the LCD, which is s*** for the price of it. I got one thinking aww great kippers knickers, but the built quality is pretty low considering how much you pay for it. Also the spacebar sometimes doesn't work if you're a speed typer and don't put much force on it. Coming from an MS natural keyboard, I'm quite disappointed in the quality of this G19. You can push on any part of the keyboard and it almost folds in half, feels like there's no metal bracing inside and the plastic is quite weak.

To be honest, the build quality feels similar to a $20 USB keyboard I bought
05:48pm 21/04/12 Permalink
DeadlyDav0
Brisbane, Queensland
2059 posts
Ive had my Logitech G15 keyboard for years and never a complaint but i think the S key is finally giving out after being smashed non stop with DOTA 2. Im so used to HON where you press the key once for hold+stop attack but nope, you gotta button smash in DOTA 2.
05:59pm 21/04/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
948 posts
Whoop the G19 is still a 'premium' keyboard by comparison.

The G110 and G510 are 'the same' except that the G510 has the screen (like it's predecessor, the G15).

My only gripe with the G19 is the requirement for the AC power pack (to run the tiny colour screen on it).

I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned the G700 as yet. It's awesome.

One of the guys brought in his 'RAT' Mouse (Saitek Cyborg R.A.T.) and it's of reasonable quality, but it cost him $165.
I dunno... I just don't really trust 'Saitek' hardware... it's always held a special place in my heart just above Razer hardware :\

Khel can you tell me what the difference is between all the different 'Cherry' switch options on the Mechanical keyboards?

I'd be mildly annoyed (but not really) at the loss of the 'on-the-fly' Macro setup the Logi G keyboards now have me accustomed, and I don't *really* use the screen lots... I'd switch to the IBM Model M in the house, but I have an outright hatred for PS/2 connectors and a lack of 'Windows' or 'Utility' keys.
07:39pm 21/04/12 Permalink
ctd
UK
9870 posts
Keyboard
Filco Majestouch
FKB104M/EB Majestouch Tactile Touch @ $109.00 Each (Black)

That is what I paid when these were all the rage with hardcore sc2 playas (oct 2010)

Mouse:
Logi G9


Mike: IIRC it was down to how forceful you needed to be with the buttons. RTS players liked the brown switches cause it helped micro (being lighter to touch... iirc)


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07:46pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1024 posts
Keyboard:
Logitech G15 (love it).

Mouse:
Coolermaster Sentinel Zero-G (Best damn mouse I've ever had)
07:52pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
19756 posts
Whoop the G19 is still a 'premium' keyboard by comparison.
Then I'd hate to see their budget models. I'd go back to my MS natural board (much better) except then I'd have wasted all this money on a keyboard I'd never use so I figured I'd suck it up and make do. Although I have to say, I'm getting ready to rage-smash this g19 because of this stupid spacebar issue. I genuinely don't like the key layout either, they're far too close together for my man hands and after learning how to touch type on another keyboard (so I can smash out the insults in-game) I constantly hit the wrong keys and that drives me insane. It's also really uncomfortable to type on for long periods of time (for me).
07:54pm 21/04/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5409 posts
Khel can you tell me what the difference is between all the different 'Cherry' switch options on the Mechanical keyboards?

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide#post_6009482

Read and watch the gif's and text.
08:04pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6342 posts
Ivy, if you're still after macros while ditching the G series keyboards, the Razer Black Widow offers five macro keys that you can assign to anything. While not a large variety, you can still change profiles on the fly so you can have a heap more.
08:19pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Enska
Sydney, New South Wales
1717 posts
who makes use of all those macro keys but? I've been rocking a g15 for yonks and haven't touched them save for binding one to auto run in WoW.
personally I feel its a bit of a wank, I'll def be going for one of those steelseries or something similar in the future.
08:25pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
19757 posts
I use them more in windows than I do in games. I've got a bunch of them set up for different stuff in lightroom. They're pretty damn handy for lightroom/photoshop. Barely touch them in games.
08:26pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Merlyn
Geelong, Victoria
818 posts
Mike - where did your friend get his Saitek gear?
08:58pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
18879 posts
Yeah, I've never used those macro keys, they aren't really readily accessible enough to comfortably use for games. Maybe you could use them for really trivial stuff like binding a bunch of different emotes to them in an MMO or something, but I couldn't see it working for anything critical.

Only time I've used them was when I was playing around with multi-boxing a few accounts on WoW, and I used them for some of the macros I needed to make my other toons do stuff, but it was hardly vital, I could have easily made do without them. I really only used them because they were there, and I had never used them for anything else, and figured I may as well use them for something to justify their existence.
09:10pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6343 posts
I don't use these M1 keys for anything in-game, I've always preferred keybinds like Shift+F for autowalking etc. I use them however for windows shortcuts like browser, skype, mail etc.
09:49pm 21/04/12 Permalink
BladeRunner
Queensland
634 posts
KEYBOARD
Logitch G510 (hell, any logitech keyboard is good)
That Microsoft sidewinder X6 looks nice.

MOUSE
Again anything logitech, I can not stand anything razer personally. If all else fails, grab a cheap microsoft one.
09:54pm 21/04/12 Permalink
do0b
Brisbane, Queensland
4269 posts
anything that isn't branded "the witcher 2"
09:55pm 21/04/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12317 posts
08:38am 22/04/12 Permalink
Kimbo
Melbourne, Victoria
482 posts
TLDR? Not my problem. I don't care, At this point, I've done all the reading, buying, whatever.
Stick with Logitech? They haven't made a mechanical keyboard yet -- and that is all I have to say on that issue.

http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Keyboards-and-Keyboard-Mice/Any-Current-Non-ghosting-keyboards-tested/m-p/278488
- I make no comment about Logitech *poke poke poke* *wink wink nudge nudge*
Mind you though the Logitech MX518 was pretty cool back in the day. I had the chance to buy one about 6 years ago but I was 20 bucks short. Damn. G500 was is pretty cool as well if you can get it before certain serial number conditions.

- - - -
Currently using:
Keyboard:- DUCKYGK9008G2 - Brown Switch / FILCO Brown Switch (NKEY Rollover) / Razer Blackwidow Ultimate (pending and I tend not to use the Blackwidow as much. Think of it as a trophy wife to add the collection of plastic crap.)
Mouse:- Deathadder 3.5G / Steelseries Sensei or Xai (Depends on the game)
Mouse Mat:- Goliathus Control Mat / Goliathus Speed Mat / Mantis Speed Mat (Not produced anymore) / PureTrak Talent Mouse Mat.
Links to shop resources listed below.
- - - -
Here's what Team Liquid uses/recommends:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174311 - Mouse
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=260143 - Keyboard
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172579 - Here they discuss what the professional people use.
- - - -

Keyboards
Ducky 9008G2 Brown Switch (Has NKEY Rollover)
http://tigerimports.net/sunshop/index.php?l=product_list&c=76
- They're expensive but its a Taiwan importer. So you get what you pay for. (Also with the USD get dominated by the AUD at this time take advantage.)

The FILCO Brown Switch Keyboard (NKEY Rollover edition - usually avaliable from Amazon.)
http://www.diatec.co.jp/en/#15810866621634334106 - You might be lucky enough to get it from Japan.

Which leads me to point #2, a lot of people sell boxed/pre-owned mechanical keyboards on E-bay.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?29879-Ripster-s-WW-Keyboard-Shopping-Guide
- Ripster's big list of shipping links. Unlike OCAU. Geekhack is where most of the original information came from. Although OCAU is usually good for overclocking information.

Brief low down on the switch types:
Cherry Brown Switch - good to type and game on
Cherry Blue Switch - Slightly lighter than brown, but clicks more and takes less actuation force to press down.
Cherry Brown Switch - Harder than Blue and Brown and takes a f***-ton of force to press.
Cherry Red Switch - Slightly less than Cherry Brown, but actuation force varies from keyboard to keyboard.


Mice:
Razer Deathadder
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/40409-rz-deathadder-bk
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/35672-rz-deathadder-v2
Avago 3888 Sensor.

Steelseries Sensei
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/42228-62150/
Avago 9500 Sensor

& Steelseries Xai
http://www.umart.com.au/newindex28.phtml?id=10&bid=2&sid=72684
http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MSSTXAI/SteelSeries_XAI_Gaming_Mouse/
Avago 9500 Sensor.

Additional Notes (Tips Hat to these mice)
- Microsoft IMO 1.1 (STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04 Sensor).
- Microsoft IME 3.0 (STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04 Sensor).
and interestingly enough:
-Logitech G400 (Avago 3095 Sensor)
-Cooler Master Storm Spawn (Avago ADNS-3090 Sensor)
and finally the original:
-Razer Deathadder 3G (Avago ADNS-S3668 Sensor) - If you can still get it; if you see it, buy it.

I do have a few other older mice like the Copperhead and two of the original Lachesis 4000 DPI Mice (shamefully) but I hardly ever use them. I still think the Avago Sensor 3888 is where it is at.

Mouse Mats:
Razer Goliathus (Not the first plain editions -- they had a bad weave problem, but the ones with the green splash of paint on them.)
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/41401-rz-golia-f-ctl-std-r - Control edition is more rigid and you get obviously better contour (Usual CPI around 1800~3500?.
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/41273-rz-golia-f-sp-std-r - Speed Edition is like the PureTrak Talent listed below and is about as close as I've come to anyone who uses CPI of 400~1600 (Think sniping)
&
PureTrak Talent - Which is the one I recommend to people who have drinks around their machine cause you can chuck it on the washing machine.
http://www.puretrak.com/products/item/6

Other important things you might want to consider reading: (More technical orientated)
http://www.nextlevelgamer.com/tweaks/dont-modify-your-windows-sensitivity - Why you don't touch your windows sensitivity and you just leave it at 6.

http://www.ngohq.com/news/15043-how-to-increase-usb-sample-rate-in-windows-vista-7-a.html
- Hack your mouse rate (If you use a generic mouse)
Be careful, has been known on older boards to screw with the USB or Windows and its hard to get rid of the driver.
But it should logically be, Ok and most gaming mice have software that does this for you anyway.

http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com.au/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html
- Mouse Acceleration fix for Windows 7

http://www.gamebanana.com/cs/tools/717
- Mouse Acceleration fix for Windows XP (Although tried it once in Windows 7, results were promising.)

http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2024663 - Sensor information about prediction, z-axis on various mice.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?29596-Ripster-s-N-key-Rollover-Guide
- Ripster's guide to NKEY Rollover under PS/2(NKRO) or USB (6KRO) (If you're interested in how many keys your keyboard can press down and why not 'every' keyboard is a 'gaming keyboard'. Albeit some keyboards have certain clusters of keys wired to act as 6KRO or something close to it.
01:48pm 22/04/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
953 posts
where did your friend get his Saitek gear?


I dunno Merlyn, why do you ask?
(I say this coz I don't particularly consider $165 for a mouse cheap myself)

As for the Macro keys, they're a 'nice to have' but yeah, I don't really use them for gaming myself (the best 'gaming' use I've ever had for em was with my G15v1 playing brickland... I 'macroed' the keystrokes to place a HUGE brick wall... so just 'tapped G1' and BAM HUEG f***off wall in game...)
03:27pm 22/04/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
955 posts
Sweet jebus Kimbo, looks like you've done some massive digging about for that sorta info.

I know I USED to be really bloody specific about mouse settings (and about making sure the keyboard I bought had the more modern 'NKEY Rollover' setup) but since I've dropped out of the FPS Tourney scene I just haven't really bothered with it I s'pose.

What do you play that warranted the pursuit of that info?

I'm starting to get back into some BF3 atm and I noticed some players are getting pretty f***** specific (mathematically/scientifically) with mouse sensitivity.

Also +1 on the mouse mats. I'm using a 'Func industries' mouse mat I paid $60 for a number of years ago now, and it's getting a little long in the tooth (the surface in the middle is literally 'too smooth' and the mouse gets just a little 'grippy' when moving over that section) but I'm looking to replace it with something similar in the not too distant distance.
I dunno what happened to FUNC tho, they used to be fairly easy to get here, but now NO-ONE stocks their gear within Aus.
05:56pm 22/04/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3163 posts
Cooler Master Storm Spawn


I got me one of these, after gamer posted about them. So far it reckon its a pretty solid mouse, but I would only recommend if you like claw grip styles.
06:01pm 22/04/12 Permalink
pjs75
Victoria
17 posts
Keyboard:
Corsair K90 Mechanical keyboard (BTW has Cherry Reds, nice to type on).

Mouse
Logitech G9X

Very happy with both.
06:55pm 22/04/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
649 posts
I'm using a logitech G110 keyboard and G500 mouse (adjustable mouse sensitivity is surprisingly useful) ... couldn't be happier although I still haven't used the extra "G" keys haha.
07:03pm 22/04/12 Permalink
pjs75
Victoria
18 posts
BTW Got a G510 that I don't need. Would sell it for $20+postage, it's in excellent condition.
07:09pm 22/04/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2477 posts
Gigabyte Ghost mouse is great, it replaced a s***** Razer Lachesis.
07:17pm 22/04/12 Permalink
Kimbo
Melbourne, Victoria
483 posts
Sweet jebus Kimbo, looks like you've done some massive digging about for that sorta info.

I know I USED to be really bloody specific about mouse settings (and about making sure the keyboard I bought had the more modern 'NKEY Rollover' setup) but since I've dropped out of the FPS Tourney scene I just haven't really bothered with it I s'pose.

What do you play that warranted the pursuit of that info?

I'm starting to get back into some BF3 atm and I noticed some players are getting pretty f***** specific (mathematically/scientifically) with mouse sensitivity.

Also +1 on the mouse mats. I'm using a 'Func industries' mouse mat I paid $60 for a number of years ago now, and it's getting a little long in the tooth (the surface in the middle is literally 'too smooth' and the mouse gets just a little 'grippy' when moving over that section) but I'm looking to replace it with something similar in the not too distant distance.
I dunno what happened to FUNC tho, they used to be fairly easy to get here, but now NO-ONE stocks their gear within Aus.


Well I basically took an interest in what competitive players were using; because they'd go to tournaments around the world and thus they'd have a want to have their gear lasting for a long time. Based on this principle and idea, you would probably want gear that is uniform, common themed (i.e: mouse sensors that work over and over again for multiple people but those people would have a similar general feel that was what they wanted -- although people may need to find a try something different, cause no one single mouse may be right for everyone.) and that keeps working on a regular basis. So in a nutshell: consistency, reliability and replicable experiences based on what people write.

The short version: If it works on a basis and lots of people say it works for them, then they must be doing something right.

As for what I play. Well currently: TF2, Tribes Ascend, sometimes Warsow, Nexuiz (not the new one, although once the Nexuiz beta gets sorted out -- we'll see), Urban Terror, Quake 3 Pro Mode (on and off hardly on -- Yes I know I should get into Quake Live or something), Sometimes Counter Strike 1.6 or Source, Super Monday Night Combat. Also I'd see a lot of competitive players sometimes drop into http://www.respawn.com.au/ and play competition SC2 and the SC2 crowd has a very big emphasis on "actions per minute" so therefore they'd need a reliable keyboard that would warrant such input, durability and more importantly concurrence.

I just miss the LAN events of the early 2001~2004 era. (minus the biege box & the bulky CRT monitors, of course.) or where you'd have a Quake 3 tournament on a projector or a big screen and everyone would be cheering and stuff.

I also wouldn't say I conform to one sort of brand because everyone has their own favourites. Razer; Steelseries, Filco, Leopold, Roccat, Thermatake (the new gaming company side of it) or Logitech.

Oh and here is one for the road:

02:55am 23/04/12 Permalink
inevias
3 posts
I just pick up the G105 keyboard and G500 mouse. I love the mouse. Keyboard is good too just a bit annoying with no wrist rest lol.
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