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What Motherboard to get?
Daz
Melbourne, Victoria
1 posts
Hi I'm upgrading my PC from a core 2 to an i7 and need to replace my motherboard to do so.... But I have been out of the game and have no idea what to get??

Can someone please make some suggestions? I'd rather spend more and have something last longer/better but I don't want to go double the price for a 2% increase in performance.... I'm leaning towards ASUS motherboards...

Any suggestions would be great!
thx.
06:21pm 19/03/12 Permalink
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Gesthemene
Brisbane, Queensland
1207 posts
Asus Sabertooth Z77

It looks purdy. :P
06:33pm 19/03/12 Permalink
RUSTA
Brisbane, Queensland
262 posts
Which socket I7 do you want? A 1155 or a 2011? and what features? firewire? bluetooth? dual lan? PCI-E 3.0? Id get a Z77 chipset based mobo when they are out.
06:37pm 19/03/12 Permalink
Daz
Melbourne, Victoria
2 posts
Which socket I7 do you want? A 1155 or a 2011? and what features? firewire? bluetooth? dual lan? PCI-E 3.0? Id get a Z77 chipset based mobo when they are out.


erm whats the diference between 1155 and 2011?

What does the Z77 come out? and why one of them? is this a bad time to buy a MB?
06:43pm 19/03/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
12878 posts
i7 comes in two socket types, LGA155 and LGA2011. You need to make sure you buy a CPU and mobo which suit each other.

I have an i7 2700k LGA 1155 and an Asrock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 and have so far been happy - although I'm yet to solve one USB problem which is sitting in my device manager as 'other devices' currently. I think it's the front USB 3.0 ports which don't seem to be working at the moment for some reason.

Also, if you buy some i7 CPUs they don't came with a heatsink and fan, so you need a third party one. Although the 2700k does, I bought a Noctua NH-D14 anyway and it's been great. The thing is freakin massive though. I believe that the NH-D15 is no good for socket LGA2011 if you go down that route though, so be careful.

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8131/ntd14setupside.jpg
06:48pm 19/03/12 Permalink
Daz
Melbourne, Victoria
3 posts
But do 155 and 2011 have any actual difference except size? which one is going to support better cpu's?
06:52pm 19/03/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
12879 posts
But do 155 and 2011 have any actual difference between size? which one is going to support better cpu's?

Yes, 2011 CPUs are a fair bit bigger than 1155 CPUs.

You would have to research specific CPUs to compare the difference. You almost certainly can't make a blanket statement about the two socket types.
06:56pm 19/03/12 Permalink
RUSTA
Brisbane, Queensland
263 posts
Pinky. Have you updated the bios for your mobo? As it lists usb code updates in the description. It may be driver related as usually devices under other devices in device manager are missing drivers. Windows 7 doesn't have my usb3 drivers by default.

As for the OP, to fully advise you on what mobo we need to know what other parts you intend to use with it and budget helps aswell.



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Nukleuz
Perth, Western Australia
141 posts
erm whats the diference between 1155 and 2011?

What does the Z77 come out? and why one of them? is this a bad time to buy a MB?


Sockets 1155 and 2011 support different CPU's. That's it in a nutshell.

The two sockets sport different chipsets however. The X79 for 2011 socket and the Z68 (soon to be replaced by the Z77) for the 1155 socket.

If you are going to go with the 1155 socket CPU, then yes it is not a good time to buy. Though, when is it a good time to buy? If you think like that, you'll never end up buying, always waiting.

The upshot of waiting for a Z77 is it gains native USB 3. It is also more efficient in using less power (much lower TDP) and a few other tweaks here and there. Probably not worth the upgrade from Z68 but if I was buying new I would wait for the Z77.

Personally I would go a LGA2011 socket CPU over the LGA1155 purely because it supports faster albeit more expensive CPU's, more RAM (64gb vs 32gb) and it's quad channel memory controller vs the dual channel memory controller on the Z68 and Z77.
07:04pm 19/03/12 Permalink
Daz
Melbourne, Victoria
4 posts
Pinky. Have you updated the bios for your mobo? As it list usb code updates in the description. It may be driver realted as usually devices under other devices are missing drivers. Windows 7 doesn't have my usb3 drivers by default.

As for the OP, to fully advise you on what mobo we need to know what other parts you intend to use with it and budget helps aswell.


I plan to use a MSI gtx 570, solid state hard drive for my OS and some ha;f my apps, disk drive for everything else, Noctua cooling fan for my CPU and am mainly looking to get good performance for gaming. My budget is the mid to high range, And if possible something I could get that wont go out of date as fast, hence the socket questions.
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Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
12880 posts
Nup, haven't updated the BIOS. Thanks for the tip, I'll have a look.
07:05pm 19/03/12 Permalink
Nukleuz
Perth, Western Australia
142 posts
Also, if you buy some i7 CPUs they don't came with a heatsink and fan, so you need a third party one. Although the 2700k does, I bought a Noctua NH-D14 anyway and it's been great. The thing is freakin massive though. I believe that the NH-D15 is no good for socket LGA2011 if you go down that route though, so be careful.


The NH-D14 has a LGA2011 version that is not compatible with other (non LGA2011) motherboards.

Has anyone considered the new(ish) water coolers that Corsair and Antec have released? Anyone got one and care to comment?
07:12pm 19/03/12 Permalink
RUSTA
Brisbane, Queensland
264 posts
I didn't think the x79 had native USB3? Personally I'd get an z77 chipset based motherboard when they come out and where you save money on not getting quad channel ram and the more expensive CPU's I'd RAID a couple of larger SSDs.
07:16pm 19/03/12 Permalink
Daz
Melbourne, Victoria
5 posts
I didn't think the x79 had native USB3? Personally I'd get an z77 chipset based motherboard when they come out and where you save money on not getting quad channel ram and the more expensive CPU's I'd RAID a couple of larger SSDs.


when do they come out?


There seems to be a huge price difference between the 2011 and the other....
07:19pm 19/03/12 Permalink
Nukleuz
Perth, Western Australia
143 posts
I didn't think the x79 had native USB3?


Yep. You're right it doesn't. I was under the impression that it did have native USB 3. Still, is having native USB 3 a big advantage or not? I can't imagine there are any devices out there that would really benefit from it.
07:22pm 19/03/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
800 posts
I can't imagine there are any devices out there that would really benefit from it.


any storage device greatly benefits from usb 3.0. No more sitting around waiting hours for your gigs to transfer.
07:28pm 19/03/12 Permalink
RUSTA
Brisbane, Queensland
265 posts
Yeah native USB3 isn't a big deal. OP really needs to give us an idea of what he wants to spend. Sabertooth z77 or Maximus V Gene z77 from ASUS will suit fine but they may be overkill for what you want.
07:31pm 19/03/12 Permalink
step
Brisbane, Queensland
2418 posts
Still, is having native USB 3 a big advantage or not? I can't imagine there are any devices out there that would really benefit from it.
I don't think it would matter too much. Just research the controller as many of the cheaper boards ones blow goats.

The one I have on my Maximus IV (Renesas / NEC controller) allows me to copy to USB3 drives at 150+mb/s.
07:33pm 19/03/12 Permalink
Daz
Melbourne, Victoria
6 posts
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=138_711_1299&vk_sort=4

Anyone want to make a recommendation ?

Also Asrock vs ASUS?
07:36pm 19/03/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9248 posts
I have 4 external hard drives with USB 3.0...
08:16pm 19/03/12 Permalink
RUSTA
Brisbane, Queensland
266 posts
Asrock is fine these days. It's a spin off company of ASUS. I'm building a PC for a client as I type this with an Asrock motherboard. Gigabyte is another option although I haven't bought any Gigabyte boards lately as they were late to the party with UEFI. Z77 chipset based motherboards should be available mid April from what I've read. Any of those boards in the link you provided should be fine. It depends what you want from a motherboard. Overclocking? Features?
Aesthetics? motherboard layout? future proofing? Any more questions ask away
10:21pm 19/03/12 Permalink
tashap007
Mackay, Queensland
30 posts
I would recomend the Asus Sabertooth x79 (5yrs Warranty) & 3820 LGA 2011 ... You will get 3 yrs minimum out of that socket. Room for ram upgrades with 8 dimms and can handle 64GB, also all other latest features.

Build I have started working on.Going with Corsair Vengance 1866mhz 16gb (4x4GB) pack. Looking to swtich from my ATI to try the new 680's.
10:39pm 19/03/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
787 posts
...mid to high range...


What's wrong with AUD?

Try outlaying your total budget, and a brief layout on what you need for that cash (ie are input devices and monitors/speakers etc in this builds budget?)

There are strengths and weaknesses in the current CPU's, for the most part there really isn't a 'weaker' CPU when it comes to gaming... nothing that I've found on the market REALLY pushes my 2 year old 'middle of the road' Gaming rig (which is a Core i7-860).

All the extra RAM and different memory control methods are only really pushed when running erroneous benchmarks (unless you're HEAVILY into 3D rendering, or dvd-ripping etc)

A SOLID gaming rig can be had for around $1500 these days (That's essentially for a Case, PSU, M/b, CPU, RAM and SSD)

The other thing I did (which really lifted my rig's performance a notch) was to take all the HDD's that are storing other stuff out, and sticking them in a 'server/storage' machine in the house... don't have your gaming rig carry around all of your other 'digital baggage'.
02:24am 20/03/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
12882 posts
A SOLID gaming rig can be had for around $1500 these days

Ever since I can remember $1500 was always the price for a decent gaming rig.
08:31am 20/03/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
791 posts
Touche'

(tho a 'solid gaming rig' didn't always play literally everything on the market)
09:15am 20/03/12 Permalink
Daz
Melbourne, Victoria
7 posts
How much watt PSU do I need for the sabretooth lga2011?

Th rig im using atm has a 430w thermal take and a 450w PCI express...

Will this be enough to support an LGA2011? or Do i need a new psu?
04:20pm 20/03/12 Permalink
tashap007
Mackay, Queensland
33 posts
You need at least a 550/600 watt true rated, but a litepower 700watt thermaltake will do it if you dont go to crazy on Video card, they can be picked up for $75.00 to $90.00 bucks online. The mainboard and the PSU are the 2 most inportant parts to make a system very stable and you wont need to change them for years.
09:29pm 20/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5916 posts
ASRock Extreme 4 Gen 3.
09:39pm 20/03/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6639 posts
It might start to work out what budget you want to spend first before deciding on processor platform/socket etc. 2011 are at the high end; 1155 are more 'budget' these days as they're superceded.
10:04am 21/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5918 posts
It might start to work out what budget you want to spend first before deciding on processor platform/socket etc. 2011 are at the high end; 1155 are more 'budget' these days as they're superceded.

1155 aren't necessarily budget CPU's. The 2700k is a pretty damn good CPU for it's price tag. Sure the 2011's are omg amazing, but nothing will be needing that for awhile.
10:14am 21/03/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
6837 posts
The 2700k is a pretty damn good CPU for it's price tag

It's ~10% faster at stock than the 2500K at 50% extra cost, so not the best value for money compared with slightly lower models.
10:31am 21/03/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
5920 posts
Oh I know that, was just comparing it between the 2011 CPU's. The 2500k is still the best damn CPU for money worth, and will eat anything thrown at it.
10:45am 21/03/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
6838 posts
^ Yep. I'd be more concerned with being a guinea pig for first-gen [potentially buggy] motherboards of a new socket, when current offerings as you say are stupidly good to begin with.
10:59am 21/03/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
12898 posts
It's ~10% faster at stock than the 2500K at 50% extra cost, so not the best value for money compared with slightly lower models.

lol, I just bought one.

Meh. #firstworldproblem
11:02am 21/03/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5293 posts
^ Yep. I'd be more concerned with being a guinea pig for first-gen [potentially buggy] motherboards of a new socket, when current offerings as you say are stupidly good to begin with.

What are you talking about, motherboards for sandy bridge went so well!! (lol)
11:07am 21/03/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
12899 posts
I can't say "Sandy Bridge" without thinking "Sandy Vag". I wonder if that was an intentionaly marketing ploy.
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