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Megabuy NAS deal questions
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
2815 posts

Hey team.....i noticed that HP NAS deal is on again at Megabuy.

I'm looking at grabbing one this time but I also want to grab some HDD and thought I might get the lot from Megabuy.

I want to get the N40L, and 3-4 x 1/2TB HDD to split my music, images, TV, Movies.

Can I get some advice and feedback on
the best HDD options?
purchasing HDD from Megabuy?
how are these NAS performing for those of you who got them last time?

cheers
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IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
774 posts
The N36L operates just fine, but spending money on 500gb disks is a fools game.

Admittedly, HDD's are still hanessley expensive, but just buy one 2TB disk, and understand that whilst the performance from a 'WD/Seagate green' HDD won't be great, it'll still serve your household (and probably one or two of your neighbours if you wished) their data plenty sufficiently.

I threw the 250gb disk into the 5.25" drive bay, and am using 4x 3TB disks in mine (2x WD EZRX's, and 2x Hitachi 7k3000's)
I also opted for 'drive pooling' instead of RAID because I want the flexibility of choosing which data to duplicate, and just spanning the rest of the volumes into one massive single 'dynamic folder' that I can throw all the 'disposable data' like TV shows and movies etc.

+1 for a $200-300 'storage PC++'

(also, +1 for 'Drive Bender' the storage Pool software I'm using.)
02:22am 08/03/12 Permalink
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
2816 posts
thanks IVY_MiKe

to clarify for all - I mean by this "3-4 x 1/2TB HDD"
3 or 4 of either 1 or 2 TB HDD not 500GB.

I nearly have 2TB of movies/tv already in a spare PC but this was our sons who went OS and is now back. so i am looking to extend and separate storage and would prefer the minimalist profile of a NAS as my own current PC is sufficient for all else.

Will depend on total pricing whether i get 1 or 2 TB drives and how many but probably at least 3 x 1TB minimum.
03:16am 08/03/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
775 posts
Gotcha, well the WD 3TB's I bought were the 'essentials' as a USB 2 external disk, then I simply popped the HDDs out of their caddies and plugged em straight in.

It voids the warranties on the disks, but I bought each 3TB disk for $115 each about a week before the floods spoiled the HDD market.

The WD's are a popular choice, but tbh I'm pretty disappointed by the seek speed of the disks (go to open a networked folder and you've gotta wait (sometimes) 4-5 seconds before it responds.

As with all things though, you get what you pay for.
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HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5411 posts
I am flicking one of mine if your keen

N36L
5GB of ram
Intel 1000PT Dual
5 x 1TB WD black

Taking offers over $500

Reason for sale is upgrading to a DL380G7

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hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10116 posts
that's a pretty good deal HL, those wd blacks are proper fast
08:49am 08/03/12 Permalink
andrewus
Brisbane, Queensland
2681 posts
this thread upsets me because they are not merely a "NAS" ... they are a microserver which can do far far more.
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blahnana
Brisbane, Queensland
755 posts
well if it upsets you maybe we can just stop so your feelings dont get too hurt
10:02am 08/03/12 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9600 posts
In fact as far as NASes go they are bad.
Only Raid 0 or 1.
For $100 more you can get the DLINK DNS-345 that supports unraided, as well as raids 0/1/5/5+Hotspare/10/JBOD.
10:52am 08/03/12 Permalink
gamer
2319 posts
QNAP > *
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thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9149 posts
I wouldn't be buying anything less than a 3 TB disk. Buy two 3TB drives to get you started, that's what I did. Still two slots waiting for me to use.*

*at your mums

In fact as far as NASes go they are bad.
Only Raid 0 or 1.


I think you are mistaken. I have one of these and I'm not even running RAID at all! You can do what you wanna do.

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thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9150 posts
Also while you're here, here's a pro-tip I learnt in the last thread. The spare screws and allen key are inside the door of the device - put your best "where's wally" glasses on to find them!
11:34am 08/03/12 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9602 posts
I think you are mistaken. I have one of these and I'm not even running RAID at all! You can do what you wanna do

Which is great if you want a server.
But if you want just a NAS ? Raid0 in a nas (lol) ? Raid 1 is great (but with HDD prices as they are at the moment ... no)

IMO You want raid 5 so you have some protection against drive failure but still have good storage capacity. And preferably have it being done at a hardware level for performance.

But you are semi correct. If you are going to use one of these as a NAS, then single drives are the best compromise between safety and price.
01:27pm 08/03/12 Permalink
TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
4753 posts
Its great little unit for storing 4-5 HDD in. You can use it as NAS drive if you do the following add RAID card into the PCI-E slot or run Linux based software with software RAID/ZFS plus it has USB tick inside as well. Its cheap and easy solution.

Im running Freenas 7 on USB stick it has
5 x 3TB
8gb ECC-RAM
and it runs pretty good :)

I am pretty noob with Linux. But what I would really love is running Ubuntu with ZFS working but im not sure how to do this.
01:37pm 08/03/12 Permalink
unclebobsticle
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
130 posts
The owner of Megabuy is an ex Altech partner (well sort of).
He was pretty good guy, but I haven't spoken to him in years.
I don't have any problem with buying from them ultimately they are just another online store.
02:45pm 08/03/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9154 posts
IMO You want raid 5


No I don't. I run the drives mirrored. Safety first.

No raid though, that's so 90s.
02:49pm 08/03/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
12811 posts
I installed Ubuntu on my N36L on the included 250GB HDD and added 4x WD 1TB Caviar Black in it with just default RAM (1GB?). Works like a dream, no hassles so far. RAID was easy to setup with the Ubuntu RAID wizard.

Getting Ubuntu to boot from a USB key (since there is no CD-ROM) was probably the trickiest bit. I had to stuff around for a while to get that to work.
03:13pm 08/03/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12678 posts
what do you mirror the drives with thermite? something that somehow excludes your setup from the definition 'redundant array of independant disks' ?


obes: mine works great as a nas. I bought 2 good quality usb sticks - one to install linux to and one to take a backup image of the o/s once it was installed and configured. I installed linux and samba, ran about 3 commands to create a raid5 array out of the 4 drives in it.

Even if the bios supported raid5, I probably wouldn't have used it because it may be less portable than native linux software raid in the event of a hardware issue - and since we know it's only a 'fakeraid' bios in most of these type of devices anyway, there's no performance gain using it instead of linux software raid.

as for raid0 in a nas - depends what you use the nas for. some people just need fast, temporary workspace so a gbit connection to a raid0 device can give them that
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HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5414 posts
Hot tip integrated raid on these things is f*****g s***.

Get a decent raid card and do it properly or software raid up this mofo

Br10i - doesn't allow access to LSI configuration software raid works fine only allows upto 2TB drives
P410 - works fine
m1015 - works for hardware raid

All fit and its a simple snap in of the sas connector.

Also f*** using hardware raid these days. mdadm and zfs raidz all the way

Also tic I see you got some more ram. Did you notice any improvement in speed?

Obes I have several of mine runing combinations of raidz and raid5 performance is pretty good for home users. But I have outgrown mine for visualization so I am getting something a little faster

DL380 G7
2x E5606
64GB of ram
Few drives couple of ssd's

Should go alright for home use

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Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9603 posts
Jim for sure ... You are a seasoned linux nut. You have forgotten more stuff about linux than most people will learn.

For the average punter yeah they might (should) get Freenas or Openfiler going.
But average punters have becoming more frustrating for me of late.
I guess I am too used to people that can't work out how to save as PDF in Office 2010...

I am just lazy and consider spending $100 so I can buy an "appliance" so I don't have to ever stuff around with a server, that will need patching and maintaining, a good investment. That's why I never built a second HTPC, just bought a WDTV Live instead.

Sadly if Rasberry pi NAS was possible I'd probably buy it, well that's a lie... I have "registered my interest" regardless.

ZFS is nice (only ever played with the freeNAS version) I would love to see the Solaris 11 implementation. I hear that de-dupping needs buckets of ram (ie 2 or 3GB per TB of storage ) ? (Our very expensive SAN at work badly need de-dup but it's an expensive addon)
08:01pm 08/03/12 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5415 posts
I hear you obes deduplication is one of a couple of reasons for my upgrade. That and once you add zil and l2arc if you don't have enough ram it can cause performance slowdowns

Also looking at Infiniband and FCoE so should be fun...wwweeeeeee





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blahnana
Brisbane, Queensland
592 posts
hanessley expensive


Oh heinously!

This one took me a few goes to decrypt.
09:07pm 08/03/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
19488 posts
^^^ It took me saying it out loud to figure out what he meant.
Oh heinously!

This one took me a few goes to decrypt.

I installed Ubuntu on my N36L on the included 250GB HDD and added 4x WD 1TB Caviar Black in it with just default RAM (1GB?). Works like a dream, no hassles so far. RAID was easy to setup with the Ubuntu RAID wizard.

Getting Ubuntu to boot from a USB key (since there is no CD-ROM) was probably the trickiest bit. I had to stuff around for a while to get that to work.

Anyone else who wants to get bootable USB sticks, check here: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
I've not burned a ubuntu CD in years, I just whack them all on USB sticks with this proggy.
09:22pm 08/03/12 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
7531 posts
HerbalLizard... Why upgrade the NIC? did it give you a performance increase?

I tried ubuntu on my server but MDADM + SMB = 100% CPU CRAZY!@!@ I'd get 10MB/s then 1KB/s then 5MB/s then 5K/s.

FreeNAS seems to be much better and I dont mind the 50MB/s solid.

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crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
2818 posts
hey herbal.....still in Italy but will pm you when i get home this sunday if still available. where you at in Bris?
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HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5417 posts
Reason I was running duel nic was I used to run multiwan I s*** canned one of the connections. Then was running lcap for a bit then needed to drop it since the kernal pae build I swapped to causes all manner of f*****y with iptables and locks the firewall service up like kimdotcom

Also the inbuilt nic is s*** for jumbo frames (as in doesn't work)

9k MTU that's the reason


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Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
12816 posts
Haha Herbal, language in your last post made me lol.

Interesting mongie. Can't say I've had experienced your problem and that's basically the setup I'm using. I just installed the desktop version of Ubuntu as well, not the server version or anything like that.
11:51pm 08/03/12 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5418 posts
Had waayyyy too much to drink last night

Maybe try something that supports CIFS at kernal level will stop the cpu getting pounded

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Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9736 posts
QNAP > *


Synology > *

Best money ever spent. I have my fleet of NL36's as well but the Synology is too damn good!
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Jim
UK
12679 posts
yeh it's not as easy as a preconfigured nas that comes with a http management interface, no argument there. I was just responding to the suggestion that the bios not having raid5 support meant that a microserver was no good as a nas

for what it's worth though, it's quite easy to do what I've done - install linux and samba, and linux software raid is extremely simple to use. as for maintenance - well you don't need to do much maintainence unless you actually have an issue that needs patching, or if you have it internet-facing or sitting on an untrusted network and require the latest security updates - or if the power goes out and de-syncs the array, which is just one command to re-sync. just leave it alone, no need to fiddle or update it all the time - the less fiddling the more reliable it'll be
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Jim
UK
12680 posts
regarding cpu from samba/software raid - here's what mine looks like while it's transferring a bunch of virtual box virtual disks ~75 MB/s, as you can see samba is fine and everything else is not even on the radar. there's no i/o wait to speak of and the system is largely idle. this is 4 x 5900rpm drives

I haven't tuned anything - it's just centos6 minimal, samba from yum with a bare config I made the lazy way with swat. all I did after that was google how to turn off all printing-related settings to avoid annoying cups messages in the syslog



top - 14:55:20 up 10 days, 1:58, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.22, 0.09
Tasks: 101 total, 1 running, 100 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu0 : 0.0%us, 1.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
Cpu1 : 1.9%us, 6.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 90.6%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.9%si, 0.0%st
Mem: 1923184k total, 1857352k used, 65832k free, 62784k buffers
Swap: 3866616k total, 0k used, 3866616k free, 1654736k cached

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
1434 smbguest 20 0 210m 4888 3032 S 9.9 0.3 73:23.22 smbd
21759 root 20 0 15080 1216 916 R 1.0 0.1 0:01.68 top
1 root 20 0 19272 1004 740 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.74 init
2 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.03 kthreadd
3 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 migration/0
4 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.99 ksoftirqd/0
5 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
6 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/0
7 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 migration/1
8 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/1
9 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:28.46 ksoftirqd/1
10 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:04.95 watchdog/1
11 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.10 events/0
12 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 2:12.97 events/1
13 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cpuset
14 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper
15 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 netns
16 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 async/mgr
17 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 pm
18 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sync_supers
19 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:12.62 bdi-default
20 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kintegrityd/0
21 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kintegrityd/1
22 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.71 kblockd/0
23 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 2:14.82 kblockd/1
24 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpid
25 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpi_notify
26 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpi_hotplug
27 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ata/0
28 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ata/1
29 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ata_aux
30 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksuspend_usbd
31 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khubd
32 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kseriod
33 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.12 md/0
34 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 md/1
35 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 md_misc/0
36 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 md_misc/1
37 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.59 khungtaskd
38 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 2:23.99 kswapd0
39 root 25 5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksmd
40 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khugepaged
41 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/0
42 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/1
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