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shock
Brisbane, Queensland
75 posts

This is likely to be relevant even to those who don't play Half-Life-based games.

From CS 1.5 or maybe before, you won't download patches to upgrade - rather you'll have a client that automagically refreshes your files like Punkbuster.

Apparently this is how they'll modify your client on a daily/hourly/weekly basis to stop cheats. This is very important because it also forms an entirely new business model for purchasing games over broadband that you don't already own - skipping the distribution and retail process - that is, you download your own original copy.

But it gets even more unusual - Valve is talking about leasing games to you - instead of buying a retail copy, you can choose to subscribe to a game for a fixed number of months, for, say, $10 a month. After that, your game presumably won't work online, or even offline.

Links lifted from Slashdot include:

Gamespy and ShackNews.
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StreX
Brisbane, Queensland
1864 posts
cool bananazzzzz
01:42am 23/03/02 Permalink
K Man
Brisbane, Queensland
291 posts

Sorry, it's old news...
They've already implimented it with the CS 1.4 beta people have been playing...
01:42am 23/03/02 Permalink
pilsudski
Gold Coast, Queensland
318 posts

thats f***ed not that i play any valve games anymore though
01:46am 23/03/02 Permalink
EniGma
Brisbane, Queensland
853 posts

yay!

And the little green men rejoice and sang songs of communism.

:/
01:48am 23/03/02 Permalink
StreX
Brisbane, Queensland
1867 posts
communism is cool.

without it, the naughty chinamens would still be having more than one child, and that is bad news!
02:01am 23/03/02 Permalink
EniGma
Brisbane, Queensland
855 posts

what's the diff
all us chinaman look alike.
02:10am 23/03/02 Permalink
air
Brisbane, Queensland
450 posts

thats gay if they dont allow the to be dl as a file also. this also isnt really that new blizzard have been doing that update system for years.

also valve is gay
02:21am 23/03/02 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
2217 posts

I reckon thats a pretty cool idea actually, being Valve though they will probably f*** it up, but at least it paves the way for someone else to come in, scoop up the ball and run with it.
02:25am 23/03/02 Permalink
Taipan
Brisbane, Queensland
1416 posts

Did you all miss the part about leasing games?

What a f*****g joke you can bet that it would cost you more in the long run than just buying a game outright.But it'd also be a pain in the arse paying a monthly fee to some f*****g company overseas.

If I have missed something here that is a good thing about leasing please feel free to inlighten me.
08:42am 23/03/02 Permalink
Maccas
Brisbane, Queensland
117 posts

I think the leasing of a game isn't that bad an idea, I mean there aren't many games I play for more than 3 months
09:20am 23/03/02 Permalink
verticalseafoodtaco
Brisbane, Queensland
1178 posts

yay for my 3 gig cap
09:36am 23/03/02 Permalink
Nozehed
Gold Coast, Queensland
91 posts

no kidding taco...i don't suppose game arena could setup some sort of mirror could they.

These ongoing updates will kill our download quotas.
09:46am 23/03/02 Permalink
orbitor
Brisbane, Queensland
893 posts

pff, i'm not paying for a game, then paying my isp to download the game as well. stupid idea until we have unlimited broadband, or at least much higher caps.
10:05am 23/03/02 Permalink
Goa'uld
Brisbane, Queensland
2642 posts

I think hiring games isn't so bad. People already do it with EQ and such.
If HL is really your favourite game then you shouldn't be too tight to pay the $10 subscription fee.
Think of it this way... you've paid $50 or what to buy the game for five years!
I think the game developers got a pretty s***e deal there.

Think of the other things you would spend money on to entertain yourself if you weren't playing CS or whatever.

The system also stops warez monkeys.
10:13am 23/03/02 Permalink
Rodolphe
Brisbane, Queensland
4715 posts
The thought of renting games (or any software) on a monthly basis (or any time period) just sounds like pure arse to me. It seems like everyone wants to do it though.
10:18am 23/03/02 Permalink
StopShootingMe
Brisbane, Queensland
1220 posts
What a f*****g joke you can bet that it would cost you more in the long run than just buying a game outright.But it'd also be a pain in the arse paying a monthly fee to some f*****g company overseas.


I disagree. Ive got a whole pile of games sitting next to me that im waiting to sell, after playing them for only (at most) a couple of months each...
10:18am 23/03/02 Permalink
Goa'uld
Brisbane, Queensland
2644 posts
It would probably discourage a lot of cheats.... to cheat at what they paid for...

You go to QGL and pay $25 to play your favourite game for a few hours... but the game developers don't see a cent of that.

This makes sense to me.
10:20am 23/03/02 Permalink
EniGma
Brisbane, Queensland
857 posts
don't u "test" a game b4 u buy it?
11:03am 23/03/02 Permalink
shock
Brisbane, Queensland
76 posts
You people never read the articles... sigh...

Re: leasing

They're saying they'll BOTH sell AND lease games, depending on what you want. That's to cater for ppl who want to try it for a month or two, but still let people own a copy forever if they want. They're not forcing you to subscribe to it (like Evercrack does) although that's certainly working very nice profits for $ony.

The one thing they didn't talk about was whether you'd get a "hire-purchase" thing, where if you had subscribed for four months, you could take that cost from your purchase price if you decide to buy... the extra revenue they got would then only be from those people who would never have bought it in the first place, but tried it for a short while. Still, that's new money that otherwise would have gone to the second-hand market... (see StopShootingMe's comment above for proof of this)

They also intend to licence this tech out to developers other than themselves, so heaps of games may use it. The idea is to put people like Activision out of business (well, not really, but it would if it worked right)

re: downloads and caps

You already update the games now, fools. The business model they are talking about includes setting up distinct distribution nodes through broadband suppliers (eg. Speakeasy). You can bet they'd get Tel$tra / Optus to act as a "local mirror". It just doesn't make sense saturating X-Pacific links.

Security

What I'm not sure about is whether there's scope in this to tighten the CD-Key thing further... they mention keeping it server-side instead of client-side, so you don't need to have it handy every time you re-install your OS.

If someone rips off your CD Key now, you have to jump through hoops with them to get another one. Could your "cd-key", or whatever it becomes, stick with you through some Ident/Regist/Authent mechanism? It's certainly harder to forge an identity than it is to whip out regedit while someone's off having a piss.
11:22am 23/03/02 Permalink
orbitor
Brisbane, Queensland
902 posts
I think that would be where it has its merits: the developer could set up a trial period where you pay nothing or perhaps just a small download fee: you can see if you like it and want to continue (thus paying the monthly or whatever rate).

Current prices are about $20 a month for MMORPGs. Imagine how much it would cost you to play, say, 5 different games for a year! $20 x 12 x 5 = $1200 just for 5 games, as opposed to, say, $90 x 5 = $450 for new outright purchased games.......
11:25am 23/03/02 Permalink
shock
Brisbane, Queensland
77 posts

hmmm... notes that $20x12x5 is what I'm paying in bandwidth anyway...

Lucky I'm on the big bucks ;)
11:28am 23/03/02 Permalink
verticalseafoodtaco
Brisbane, Queensland
1180 posts
haha hire purchase is one of the biggest scams around today, great example mofo
11:46am 23/03/02 Permalink
PeaceKeeper
Brisbane, Queensland
1452 posts
SSM, so what do you play?
01:40pm 23/03/02 Permalink
.druid.
Queensland
683 posts
If I have missed something here that is a good thing about leasing please feel free to inlighten me.
enlighten me.

and i agree. i can't see myself adapting to a leasing scheme. this is one reason, no matter how good maya was over 3dsmax, that i would never use maya. never.
02:41pm 23/03/02 Permalink
WhoopAss
Brisbane, Queensland
773 posts
this is the biggest peice of s***e I've heard all day. forgive me if someone else said this but I'm tired and cbf reading too closely, but what about people on dialup? sit there playing a game and all of a sudden it decides it wants to update itself.

Man companies just get more and more stupid. I like the saying "the more you tighten your grip, the more that silps through your fingers".......I think if companies keep bringing s*** like this out, and home built computers are made illegal and only ones with certain copy protection software can run CD's and stuff then I know for damn sure I won't be using a computer ever again.
02:50am 24/03/02 Permalink
Hunter
Brisbane, Queensland
2440 posts

The system also stops warez monkeys.


Don't you think that's a tad naive?
There would be a million exploits at release, so chances are you would see hacking/cracking sites with u/p's up in no time at all. If you don't believe me, just take a look at the internet porn industry... I'd be willing to wager that 99% of pay-per-view porno sites have been cracked (No I don't know this from past experiences kthxbi).


this is the biggest peice of s***e I've heard all day. forgive me if someone else said this but I'm tired and cbf reading too closely, but what about people on dialup? sit there playing a game and all of a sudden it decides it wants to update itself.


Indeed. Even Americans don't have it all roses with their broadband, so I don't think this is such a brilliant business model after all...
03:59am 24/03/02 Permalink
dangles
Brisbane, Queensland
2170 posts
I'd be willing to wager that 99% of pay-per-view porno sites have been cracked (No I don't know this from past experiences kthxbi).


Suuuuuureee u dont....

12:22pm 24/03/02 Permalink
doober
Brisbane, Queensland
1134 posts
Great, now developers want us to pay more so they can have time to patch up their stupid buggy products - that's all i see this scheme to be. 'we cant release a good working product so lets make em pay while we fix it'.
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