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Political Thread 3
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4257 posts
Whoa I have been owned.


The Russians made him quote you.

It could be the Russians writting this post now.
04:27pm 28/10/20 Permalink
Vash
6341 posts
The claim that biden has dementia is an amusing one, another projection example on display.
Keep em' coming. The psychological discomfort is hilarious to watch.
10:36am 29/10/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24765 posts
You think people suggesting Biden has dementia are projecting concerns they actually hold about about themselves having dementia? That makes absolutely no sense.

Mostly peaceful protests by Proud Boys and other white supremacist groups in Philadelphia over the last few nights.

10:45am 29/10/20 Permalink
Vash
6342 posts
Try again Infi. Not hard to understand. You're projecting your concern that Trump has severe neurological issues onto Biden. The evidence is very clear on Trump having some kind of brain or mental disorder, and its psychologically uncomfortable for you to acknowledge that while strongly supporting him, so it has to be Biden that has a brain problem.
10:49am 29/10/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24766 posts
LMFAO compare the two performances on any given day. Trump gives 3 high energy rallies a day enthralling his crowd, Biden does a 30 min - I don't know what you call it it's not a rally. And then hides for the rest of the day.

Biden cannot even remember the name of his opponent. Give me a break. It hurts to watch.
11:03am 29/10/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27242 posts
Not really hard to stand at a podium and lie loudly and quickly while the dumbest people in the world cheer you on.
12:22pm 29/10/20 Permalink
Vash
6343 posts

Right, so Trump having more energy doesn't mean Biden has dementia, Infi. Nor does forgetting someone's name.

I suggest you read this book for some perspective.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459


12:41pm 29/10/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27243 posts
I wonder if Biden would have remembered to organise transport for his crowd if he was irresponsible enough to be holding superspreader rallies?
12:51pm 29/10/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
909 posts
List of things Biden has forgotten over the past 6 months

- Which of 2 women was his wife and sister
- Who he is running against
- What office he is running for, multiple times
- Who is interviewing him
- What state he is in, multiple times
- What year it is
- His own name
- When he became VP
- The first line in the declaration of independence
- How many people have died due to coronavirus
- His position on fracking
- That his running mate has a husband, not a wife

I'm sure there's more but these are funny enough
03:13pm 29/10/20 Permalink
Nmag
Sydney, New South Wales
1358 posts
So is the idea to make your posts a deliberate mastercraft of disingenuity as some sort of comeback to your 24hr post limiter you can't stop crying about or is it accidental?


I maintain they voted in Trump. They wanted change. You believe it was the Russians. I think Hillary made some real blunders leading up to the election. Firstly she was a Clinton. Many of them were not real happy with this Obamacare thing. Like I said Policy over person. I'd tended to favour Trump's than Hillary's, and whilst I haven't read much on Bidens yet. Chances are I'd still go with Trump's. This time he is on about law and order and the fear of living in Biden's world. I don't think it's enough. I don't think this law and order thing will work for him. He's overuse of "biggest' 'greatest' all that s*** he goes on with, and the excessive tweets have likely been enough for many.

I think they could come up with better candidates... because, regardless of policy, I reckon most people rely on their impression of the person... mixed with a bit of 'What's in it for me?"

Also like many, I want entertainment. Rick from Rick's Restorations or Les Gold would make an excellent POTUS and you know it.
03:14pm 29/10/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27244 posts
So accidental then?
03:24pm 29/10/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40056 posts
I don't know what you call it it's not a rally
Imagine being the sort of f*****g deads*** that would hold a rally in the middle of a pandemic though

I mean political rallies are embarrassing enough anyway aren't they? who f*****g goes out and cheers at politicians at the best of times, let alone when they're campaigning?!
04:59pm 29/10/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24767 posts
Imagine being the sort of f*****g deads*** that would hold a rally in the middle of a pandemic though

I mean political rallies are embarrassing enough anyway aren't they? who f*****g goes out and cheers at politicians at the best of times, let alone when they're campaigning?!


Seems like it's definitely a thing in America. Just like spending 4 hours at a baseball or NFL match. Joe has really capitalised on hiding in his basement cos COVID. Even if he is not holding rallies his not accessible. I mean CMON MAN.
07:33pm 29/10/20 Permalink
bargain
Melbourne, Victoria
2062 posts
So many right wing agitators there in Philly, just ruining such a nice peaceful protest. So unfair. What a bunch of rascals. Superspreader event to boot. Disgraceful.
10:30pm 29/10/20 Permalink
Vash
6344 posts
So much for that Hunter Biden scandal hey?



What happened to Obama gate? I've lost track.
08:11am 30/10/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24768 posts

EXCLUSIVE: A @TheJusticeDept official confirms that in 2019, the @FBI opened up a criminal investigation into "Hunter Biden and his associates," focused on allegations of money-laundering, and that it remains open and active today.

https://twitter.com/JamesRosenTV/status/1321927288716480515


09:12am 30/10/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40057 posts


Seems like it's definitely a thing in America. Just like spending 4 hours at a baseball or NFL match. Joe has really capitalised on hiding in his basement cos COVID. Even if he is not holding rallies his not accessible. I mean CMON MAN.
dude I haven't been watching the news for the last 4 months and even I am sick of seeing Biden talking about stuff, he's inescapable.

Maybe you're onto something though with the sport stuff. Only someone who could spent 4 hours watching American football could possibly stand attending a political rally
12:03pm 30/10/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27245 posts
EXCLUSIVE: A @TheJusticeDept official confirms that in 2019, the @FBI opened up a criminal investigation into "Hunter Biden and his associates," focused on allegations of money-laundering, and that it remains open and active today.
It's a deep state conspiracy, a fake news conspiracy and it was the democrats all along!
12:21pm 30/10/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4258 posts
It's a deep state conspiracy, a fake news conspiracy and it was the democrats all along!


Russia, Russia, Russia.
01:03pm 30/10/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27246 posts
One thing I've noticed is the dumb conspiracy numpty s*** is more or less isolated now to the prime numpties. In the earlier days there was uncertainty and you'd see normal people commenting on it and wondering about it. Now it's confined to the absolute true believers who have a sweet little system where they pretend it's inability to penetrate through to serious people actually makes the conspiracies more real. In fact they then get to indulge further because people not believing their weak bulls*** must be another conspiracy. mmmmm dat's some good conspiracy just hide me away from reality a little longer please.

Imagine if trump actually wins this election. Think back to 2016 when he won and when you tried to imagine just how badly he'd f*** up, how much worse he'd make an already terrible country. Now see how much worse it is than anything you possibly could have imagined. It will be the same again. If he wins we can speculate on all the awful things he will do and all the f*** ups he will make, but it will be orders of magnitude worse than anyone could predict.
01:54pm 30/10/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40058 posts
Can someone explain to me why it matters what Biden's relatives do? (Please frame it in the context of one million Americans getting COVID in the last 14 days)
01:55pm 30/10/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24769 posts
Because Joe Biden said he knew nothing but the evidence suggests otherwise. Hunter BIden referred to "the Chairman" i.e. his father in emails and also discussed receiving payments for introductions to his father. This would indicate Biden lied.
02:05pm 30/10/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40059 posts
Because Joe Biden said he knew nothing but the evidence suggests otherwise. Hunter BIden referred to "the Chairman" i.e. his father in emails and also discussed receiving payments for introductions to his father. This would indicate Biden lied.
OK I assume it's about something important but I seriously cbf looking it up

so just to be clear, the concern is a political figure that may have lied on one issue? how do we rationalise that against Trump who lies all the time freely and unapologetically? or are we just pretending that he doesn't lie
02:09pm 30/10/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24770 posts
I guess you have to make up your own mind how serious that is.

I consider peddling political influence for cash with the vice president of the United States to be quite serious.
02:21pm 30/10/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40060 posts
yes if there's one thing we don't have to worry about, it's the Trumps using the presidency for personal gain
02:30pm 30/10/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4259 posts
yes if there's one thing we don't have to worry about, it's the Trumps using the presidency for personal gain


Yes though one candidate is trying to make the pitch that he'd be a "return to dignity and honour in the office".

Could be worth 10 seconds of reflection on why peddling foreign influence may be more damaging for the "return to normal candidate".

One thing I've noticed is the dumb conspiracy numpty s*** is more or less isolated now to the prime numpties. In the earlier days there was uncertainty and you'd see normal people commenting on it and wondering about it. Now it's confined to the absolute true believers who have a sweet little system where they pretend it's inability to penetrate through to serious people actually makes the conspiracies more real. In fact they then get to indulge further because people not believing their weak bulls*** must be another conspiracy. mmmmm dat's some good conspiracy just hide me away from reality a little longer please.


One thing I've noticed is about 8 people comment with any regularity in this thread. Not one, not a single one, has put forward a clear and convincing case for Biden.

Hubris may be word you lot want to familiarise yourselves with.
01:02pm 31/10/20 Permalink
Vash
6345 posts
97,000 new COVID cases in the US today. Trump partially stopped travel from China at the start of the year, and the deaths arent over 1 million so he's doing a great Job!
04:19pm 31/10/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4260 posts
Trump partially stopped travel from China at the start of the year, and the deaths arent over 1 million so he's doing a great Job!


Gees the yellow menace is strong with these guys. Trump closed the border to non-citizens.

97,000 new COVID cases in the US today.


How's Europe doing again?
08:13pm 31/10/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27247 posts
97,000 new COVID cases in the US today.
The good news is deaths are done to almost nothing - only 1000 per day!
08:27pm 31/10/20 Permalink
Vash
6346 posts
And did you see his 60 minutes interview? he nailed those hard questions. He sure showed her by walking out.

Also, suburban house wives please like him.
08:33pm 31/10/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27248 posts
Admittedly there's a big question mark on those case numbers. Doctors are artificially inflating case numbers for cash trump told me so.
08:37pm 31/10/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27249 posts
In other QLD election news, One Nation in the bin where it belongs and The Greens and Labor doing well as they deserve.
08:55pm 31/10/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40062 posts
I was at the pub on Friday arvo having a beer with my brother.

At the next table over there were two other blokes having a beer. Some random guy walked into the pub and saw one of these guys and walked over and got in his eyeline. They both did the excited "g'day mate!" of two friends that haven't seen each other in a long time and had a hug.

It's pretty awesome that in Queensland we can not only just casually go to a pub like it's any old day, but people are so comfortable that they can engage in PDA like this without fear of literally dying from something like this - a casual encounter with a mate.

As it has been forever, Queensland is great, and the government deserves a lot of credit for leading from the front and making the hard decisions. Congrats to the Labor government on a well-deserved win and thanks for keeping us safe.
09:06am 01/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21588 posts
Agreed
09:40am 01/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24771 posts
It's a terrible govt full of incompetent boobs. We could have PDA all along. Businesses were shut down unreasonably and people's freedom of movement restricted. We are just lucky there was no second wave otherwise we would be just like Victoria.

Amazing how the border had to stay closed cos election. Predictable cynical politicians.

Power is a drug.
11:22am 01/11/20 Permalink
Dan
Special Text
Brisbane, Queensland
15642 posts
It's a terrible govt full of incompetent boobs. We could have PDA all along. Businesses were shut down unreasonably and people's freedom of movement restricted. We are just lucky there was no second wave otherwise we would be just like Victoria.
Cognitive_dissonance.txt

Agreed on good outcome for state election. Also good to see Clive Palmer's backdoor coalition promotion vehicle UAP seemed to be much less effective this time.
12:17pm 01/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41513 posts
praise be to our great leader Anna!
12:22pm 01/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21589 posts
It's a terrible govt full of incompetent boobs. We could have PDA all along. Businesses were shut down unreasonably and people's freedom of movement restricted. We are just lucky there was no second wave otherwise we would be just like Victoria.

Amazing how the border had to stay closed cos election. Predictable cynical politicians.

Power is a drug.


This is why the LNP will lose the next one too.
01:28pm 01/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40063 posts
It's a terrible govt full of incompetent boobs. We could have PDA all along. Businesses were shut down unreasonably and people's freedom of movement restricted. We are just lucky there was no second wave otherwise we would be just like Victoria.

Amazing how the border had to stay closed cos election. Predictable cynical politicians.
chill out, dude! it sounds like you have a sickness. just SYH and holler if you need some compassion or help
07:49pm 01/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27250 posts
It's a terrible govt full of incompetent boobs. We could have PDA all along. Businesses were shut down unreasonably and people's freedom of movement restricted. We are just lucky there was no second wave otherwise we would be just like Victoria. Amazing how the border had to stay closed cos election. Predictable cynical politicians. Power is a drug.
whoa this is a good one.

edit: what I don't get about you people is that you want to be seen as normal people making rational decisions based off facts and logic, but when you have a shot at pretending you are this you have a salty little hissy fit and expose yourself as a complete and utter numpty. Why would you not say something like this - man I sure don't like that Labor government, but their decisive actions based off science have produced some solid results on this occasion. Then you might actually fool some people into thinking you have a functioning brain.
10:13pm 01/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40064 posts
In today's QLD election followup: 'Among the most vocal critics is former LNP premier Campbell Newman who told Sky News: "There's no-one currently in this team who seems to be capable of winning an election."'

you can hear the wooshing noise as it goes over Newman's head
08:44am 02/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
910 posts
It's pretty awesome that in Queensland we can not only just casually go to a pub like it's any old day, but people are so comfortable that they can engage in PDA like this without fear of literally dying from something like this - a casual encounter with a mate.


You can do this anywhere in NSW as well without the retarded border closures to states with nearly zero community transmissions.

The fact that QLD voted that fat dog Anna back in tells me 2 things:

a) The LNP in QLD are somehow even more incompetent than the most incompetent of QLD politicians (Anna)
b) QLDers are pussies, which is pretty obvious with the posts you see on a regular basis on this thread
09:44am 02/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40065 posts
We are just lucky
Really curious as to why you think this was luck and not a clearly, obviously direct result of the actions taken. What evidence would it take for you to believe that the QLD approach was the right one?

Everywhere that didn't lock down fastly and furiously is a mess, right? Like is there anywhere that has just YOLO'd their way through it that is not adding thousands of cases a day now?

I'd note that UK is now going into a four week lockdown. Way too late, and I don't know what the rules are (I saw somewhere that they're not letting some stores sell books? which feels, uh, like perhaps misplaced attention to very detailed and weird specifics, but I dunno, maybe there's new data showing paper is a bigger risk?). France doing something too.

But everywhere that has waited this long to try to do something is now copping the worst of both worlds. Economic pain from shutdown plus all the deaths (multiplied by the fact that the deaths are a hugely significant part of the negative impact to economy), plus it's now much much harder to get back to normal after such a half-assed approach. Prevention is always better than the cure!
11:36am 02/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27251 posts
The fact that QLD voted that fat dog Anna back in tells me 2 things:
The incel is strong in this one.
12:46pm 02/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6347 posts
What on earth are they trying to pull over there in the states? No vote counting after election night?
The right wing media are really trying hard to cause an uprising from their camp if the count swings back to Biden.
07:35pm 02/11/20 Permalink
Nmag
Sydney, New South Wales
1359 posts
I don't find Annastacia Palaszczuk very attractive. Kristina Keneally is nearly as good as Julie Bishop. Julia Gillard and Penny Wong would make a nice couple.
10:44pm 02/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
911 posts


No wonder candidate Kamala and her running mate Sleepy Joe rallied hard in Texas. They have a lot of help down there.
10:36am 03/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27252 posts
The world's really holding its collective breath on this one. Will America have a chance at reclaiming its status of a stable, rational democracy or will it become an authoritarian failed state? It's scary to think that there is even a chance that trump will be reelected. My gut tells me it's something like 70/30 to Biden. It's amazing how excited a lawless, sadistic racist can get a certain section of the population and how much they're willing to ignore if it means that person can still be in charge.

Good luck America, you're gonna need it.
05:29pm 03/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4261 posts
It's scary to think that there is even a chance that trump will be reelected. My gut tells me it's something like 70/30 to Biden. It's amazing how excited a lawless, sadistic racist can get a certain section of the population and how much they're willing to ignore if it means that person can still be in charge.


Yeah for a person with an IQ over 25 it might be enough to question if he really is a "lawless, sadistic racist".

For a person with an IQ above 45 hopefully itll prompt some self reflection.
10:01pm 03/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41514 posts
the fact that this is closer to expected is absolutely terrifying.

04:36pm 04/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24772 posts
Looks like Trump has wrapped it up. Despite the best efforts of the mainstream media, pollsters and social media company interference. They won't learn. Who should run next: Don Jr or Ivanka?
05:03pm 04/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
912 posts
How low IQ do you have to be to go into a second election in a row believing polls after 2016? I mean, really.
05:28pm 04/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41515 posts
nah, hes still not going to win.
05:46pm 04/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6348 posts
At least it'll be another 4 years of amusing non stop gaffes. America had a good run, China will be all set now to take over as the leading superpower.
05:46pm 04/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27253 posts
The first four years were the fun and games. The USA could be heading into a real dark age here that transcends funny and puts the world in crisis.

The only thing that is certain to me at this point is that if there was no COVID-19 trump would have won this election easily. God bless America.
05:52pm 04/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41516 posts
06:00pm 04/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6349 posts
Honestly doesnt matter if Biden wins, theres a nasty virus in American society, and it isn't just COVID.
06:06pm 04/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4262 posts
nah, hes still not going to win.


Yeah he is.

It's going to be entertaining to watch vash and fpot melt down again.

Remember all the democrats had to do was not be insane and it was a bridge too far. They couldn't do it.

All it would take would be to tell morons who spout s*** like this

Honestly doesnt matter if Biden wins, theres a nasty virus in American society, and it isn't just COVID.

To f*** off.
06:19pm 04/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6350 posts
whoa hold up, hes declared victory? Still millions of ballots to count, chump.
06:36pm 04/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41517 posts
yer, its far from done.
06:45pm 04/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24773 posts
06:53pm 04/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6351 posts

https://twitter.com/hannahhycho/status/1323851835199811587?s=20

bern called it. let's see if he's right on the last bit.
06:55pm 04/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4263 posts
Those national polls were only out by 10+ points.

Definitely trump trying to steal the election. /Eyeroll
07:51pm 04/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24774 posts
This is next level melodrama. Better than any TV show.
07:57pm 04/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41518 posts
it is delicious theatre.

as long as drumph gets done, i dont care how exciting it gets.
09:32pm 04/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21590 posts
Haha postal votes are all corrupt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only in the crucial state that trump is losing in tho.
08:50am 05/11/20 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
12458 posts
Imagine being the sort of f*****g deads*** that would hold a rally in the middle of a pandemic though
I really don't get how people get so into politics, it clearly has nothing to do with politics though and everything to do with being angry at somebody else. They're basically all f***ed in the head. I like to think there's left wing, right wing, and the normal people in the middle.
Seems like it's definitely a thing in America. Just like spending 4 hours at a baseball or NFL match.
Watching the NFL is one of my favourite things to do, I love it, fantastic game. I definitely think it makes much more sense than spending 5 days watching a game of cricket https://www.ausgamers.com/res/static/images/icons/icon10.gif

Haven't really been following the election, but this morning it sounds like they're saying Trump is done and dusted.
09:02am 05/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41519 posts
yer, hes not going to win.
09:18am 05/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6352 posts
Daaamn, berns prediction was spot on.
10:04am 05/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21591 posts
it's quite disgusting how obvious he is trying to rig the election. he claims it is rigged against him yet he wants vote counting stopped in states he is ahead in and votes re-counted where he is behind.

what a disgusting piece of s*** he is.
11:12am 05/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24775 posts
So exciting! This is like Pay Per VIew but it's free!

We need another twist.
11:20am 05/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21592 posts
can't deny that.

it will be boring once it is over.
11:44am 05/11/20 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
17088 posts
So, not only did the big f***wit hilariously call the election early, so did the local f***wits. Amazing! its like a bunch of fat chicks sharing a house and having their rags synch up.

Imagine a presidential candidate so dropdead f*****g awful that not once but twice up to a fifth of his supporters can't admit it even anonymously. Imagine being a Trump supporter and celebrating this fact just days after squirming and losing your s*** over being asked the same question. Trumpist cognitive dissonance is endless and staggering.

Imagine being such a whiney little b**** that you'd file lawsuits about an election where a winner hasn't even been called. Imagine supporting such a vile creature without the grace to even feign embarrassment.

Edit: holy s*** how did 'stop the vote' and 'count every vote' become partisan slogans that people marched under in America after elections?!

I hate 2020, I think its time for an infinite earths crisis thing where the weirder timelines get snipped.
08:27pm 05/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4264 posts
Amazing! its like a bunch of fat chicks sharing a house and having their rags synch up.

Imagine a presidential candidate so dropdead f*****g awful that not once but twice up to a fifth of his supporters can't admit it even anonymously. Imagine being a Trump supporter and celebrating this fact just days after squirming and losing your s*** over being asked the same question. Trumpist cognitive dissonance is endless and staggering.


Yeah who could imagine hanging up on someone when the other side melts down like this? Biden might win it and you still squeal while telling others to put on their big boy pants.

Feeling good about the outcome then hoggy?
08:54am 06/11/20 Permalink
Nmag
Sydney, New South Wales
1360 posts

oh the "phobia" language. Now we have crafted irrational fear in place of something a person might not like.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-06/islamic-state-attacks-europe-risks-violent-far-right-backlash/12847526

The spate of jihadist attacks is concerning in and of itself, but more so because it feeds the anti-Muslim sentiment that fuels violent right-wing extremists and threatens social cohesion at a time of growing far-right sentiment.


The most left wing guy I talk to maintains significant bias regarding Islam. He is hardly a "right-wing extremists" or "fascist". We agree that all extremists are a concern.

Arachnophobia is an intense and irrational fear of spiders and other arachnids such as scorpions.
agoraphobia extreme or irrational fear of entering open or crowded places, of leaving one's own home, or of being in places from which escape is difficult.
Islamophobia dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.


"Fasciphobia"

"Coalphobia"

"Nuclearphobia"

"Trumphobia"

"Broccoliphobia"

Can all journalists please now refer to people who support ANTIFA as "Fasciphobic"? Thank you.

Tending on Imgur today (2nd right now):

https://i.imgur.com/Pj9Ezbu.jpeg

Open browser, type "not my president" and click search.

Left logic.

Even ABC reported the nutters out the front of the poll counting centre were a "handful" yet there are hundreds if not more carrying placards down streets "Count every vote".

We all know their democratic voting system is a joke. Trump got in cause "not a Clinton", and Biden will get in cause "Not a Trump". and even once Biden gets in he's looking at a Republican senate.
10:05am 06/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41520 posts
ding dong the completely bats*** insane witch is dead and we can get back to some normality in our us politics now.

phew.
10:37am 06/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6353 posts
Can all journalists please now refer to people who support ANTIFA as "Fasciphobic"? Thank you.


Your posts are getting more weird as time goes on. You alright there nmag?
I'd sure hope alot of us are still 'Fasciphobic', Australia sure was if they felt the need to send the military after them in ww2.
01:00pm 06/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27255 posts
My favourite Nmag posts are the ones where he pretends that he actually spoke with another person.
01:24pm 06/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27257 posts
120,000 coronavirus infections in the USA today.
02:36pm 06/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41521 posts
thats fine matey, business is open!
03:59pm 06/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
913 posts
Last time I checked no one was holding a gun to business owners and forcing them to open their businesses. Anyone is free to stay home and hide like a little b**** from a virus with a 99% survival rate.

The problem Biden now has is he has not won in a landslide which what the Dems were trying to game all along with the disaster they call polling but was necessary to remove any shadow of a doubt that fraud could have swayed the result. Now, with the mountains of evidence of fraud growing to seas of evidence, the supreme court will have to intervene and a f***load of Dem run precincts will have their votes investigated. Not only that, the senile old f*** has bent over backwards to make his position clear that he thinks there is no fraud happening, so he is now f***ed and cannot allege fraud in Republican dominated precincts that went heavily against him late.

But, for all the tap dancing about Trump calling it early and how stupid it was, several complete morons on this thread have decided to do the exact same thing for Biden lol. The next few weeks are gunna be fun and probably hilarious.
05:51pm 06/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27258 posts
Now, with the mountains of evidence of fraud growing to seas of evidence, the supreme court will have to intervene
heh how adorable
06:18pm 06/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21594 posts
Ha ha "seas of evidence"
08:43pm 06/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27259 posts
He's one high IQ mother f***** this guy.
09:18pm 06/11/20 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
12459 posts
Now, with the mountains of evidence of fraud growing to seas of evidence
You most definitely are dazed and confused...
The next few weeks are gunna be fun and probably hilarious.
More like sad. I don't really have any skin in the game one way or the other. But right now watching Trump waffle on is like watching this...

https://youtu.be/p6Eaz-1_3iA?t=192

At first its sort of funny, almost entertaining you might say....and then sad.
09:28pm 06/11/20 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
17089 posts
They really do need to do away with the Electoral College and just use the nationwide popular vote for the US Presidency. The fact that Biden is ahead by over 4 million votes and the election remains 'too close to call' is evidence enough. This system's anachronistic lensing of votes has become the determinant of America's modern Presidential elections. It artificially creates a situation where a staggering minority of votes determine the outcome.

The only reason to oppose this reform is to protect the partisan interests of the Republican Party, who relied on the EC to translate a ballot loss into a win in 2000 and 2016. The EC is why they still do not have a result now as the GOP desperately cling to hope via the system's distribution of votes.

Its a Presidential election, one winner and one vote per citizen. Straight dope.
09:48pm 06/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4265 posts
Always entertaining to see people talk about the EC as though the Republicans would be f***ed without it.

I guess you have to console yourself somehow, but it strangely never occurs to people who want to get rid of the EC that Republicans aren't playing to win the popular vote. Largely because it's been used decide zero presidential elections in nearly 300 years.

You can bet your bottom dollar the voter split in ca and ny would look a lot different, because Republican voters would be much more likely to show up.

And frankly the EC is proving it's worth right now. The democrats took WI, MI and PA for granted until 2016. They aren't going to make that mistake again anytime soon. And Biden isn't across the line yet.

And as for the 4 million. The "staggering minority" is probably going to amount 70 million votes.
11:23pm 06/11/20 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
17090 posts
The only reason to oppose this reform is to protect the partisan interests of the Republican Party


Edit: Right wing peeps, should Trump supporters be showing up at County counting centers with guns? Why is this even a f*****g question I have to ask?
12:51am 07/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6354 posts
I bet those people constantly chanting trump 2020 feel pretty dumb right now. Maybe the rot on people's brains to do with this guy will dissipate now. But i have a feeling the damage is done and we'll be seeing more right wing terrorism well after he's gone.
07:45am 07/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4266 posts
I bet those people constantly chanting trump 2020 feel pretty dumb right now. Maybe the rot on people's brains to do with this guy will dissipate now. But i have a feeling the damage is done and we'll be seeing more right wing terrorism well after he's gone.


Always entertaining to watch idiots worry about right wing terrorism.

November 4 was a disaster for the democrats. Republicans will hold the senate, the dems bearly held the house and it's not clear Biden will win yet.

While running against literally Hitler.
10:51am 07/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21595 posts
Joseph Biden will get 306 college votes
01:35pm 07/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27260 posts
125,000 coronavirus cases today, including Mark Meadows.
03:33pm 07/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4267 posts
Joseph Biden will get 306 college votes


He might.

But currently (last update I saw from about 3 hours ago) the maths says Trump can win AZ. GA and PA are going to a recount, and a recount could shift the needle enough (equally it might sure up Biden's vote). Those three states get Trump over the line.

It's not over yet and won't be before the end of next week. I'd say there is less than 100k votes in it.
04:04pm 07/11/20 Permalink
Rukh
Brisbane, Queensland
1147 posts
The math says Trump isn't gaining enough in each new tranche of AZ results to make it.

GA is heading to a recount though PA is getting very close to being at least a 0.5% margin which case there's no automatic recount.
04:08pm 07/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21596 posts
Georgia is very close

The rest of them i can't see a recount switching the difference that far to change the outcome
04:42pm 07/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4268 posts
The math says Trump isn't gaining enough in each new tranche of AZ results to make it.


Last I saw was it's going to be tight in AZ, but he can still get there this fella seems on it.

The rest of them i can't see a recount switching the difference that far to change the outcome


The threshold of 0.5% over ~7,000,000 could get him there. But I agree anything more than 1% is hugely unlikely, to the point of basically impossible. And it's a total gamble, Biden could come back with more.

Again the point is simply that it's not a done deal yet, and the deal is likely to be done with under 100K votes one way or the other. S**** insane.
05:08pm 07/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21597 posts
It really is insane how close it is in these states
05:51pm 07/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27262 posts
So basically the vibe I'm getting from this election is that America is totally cool having a white nationalist authoritarian as POTUS but maybe next time make them a bit smarter so we can actually get s*** done with less embarrassing meltdowns please.
07:15pm 07/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4269 posts
So basically the vibe I'm getting from this election is that America is totally cool having a white nationalist authoritarian as POTUS but maybe next time make them a bit smarter so we can actually get s*** done with less embarrassing meltdowns please.


Yeah, another, more likely (almost certain), reading is that you're really really f*****g dumb and have learnt absolutely nothing.
07:21pm 07/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24776 posts
I read the allegations of ballot irregularities. There is no way to know the truth without forensic examination. It's only fair that allegations be tested in court for independent decision. Does this count as playing for Sheep Stations?
08:28pm 07/11/20 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
17091 posts
There is no way to know the truth without forensic examination.

You need to present evidence of wrongdoing, first.

Simply alleging high treason by State election officials should not result in hundreds (thousands?) of Americans being audited and put through the investigative grinder. Powers of investigation are invasive and violent by nature and should not be invoked without evidence, especially not by the President!

Unless you're running a police state, ofc. Then its par for the course.
11:50pm 07/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6355 posts
Biden elected President.

Trump crying like a toddler is absolutely delicious.
05:45am 08/11/20 Permalink
Sir Redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
2363 posts
Yeah he is.

It's going to be entertaining to watch vash and fpot melt down again.

Remember all the democrats had to do was not be insane and it was a bridge too far. They couldn't do it.

All it would take would be to tell morons who spout s*** like this

Imagine thinking trump would get 4 more years.

I read the allegations of ballot irregularities. There is no way to know the truth without forensic examination. It's only fair that allegations be tested in court for independent decision. Does this count as playing for Sheep Stations?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8bks7fp9D7M/hqdefault.jpg
07:35am 08/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21598 posts
Unless there is actual evidence that extends beyond what comes out of the dummy spitters mouth, I don't see why the process should be held up.

I felt terrible for those election officials having to come out on TV and defend themselves from their own presidents baseless attacks.
07:50am 08/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
914 posts
See how quickly these guys hate taking things to court when they think their guy has won? They were all about investigating the balls out of completely bogus things like the Steele dossier for 4 years now they come out of the woodwork when people suggest that maybe something might be up when a USPS employee goes public with allegations he was instructed to backdate absentee ballots. Unlike your sources for the last 4 years that were anonymous lol, some people have the spine to put their neck on the chopping block.
10:44am 08/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4270 posts
Imagine thinking trump would get 4 more years.


We'll see. It's going to come down to less than 100k votes against 140m votes cast. Biden was supposed to be up by 10 points nationally. He very clearly wasn't.

Morning Joe calls election absolute repudiation Democrats

If I were a clear eyed democrat I'd be extremely worried about this election result.
10:58am 08/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27263 posts
mmmm, the conspiracy numpty meltdowns are so sweet.
01:01pm 08/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6356 posts
If I were a clear eyed democrat I'd be extremely worried about this election result.


lol deluded right to the end.
Most voted for President in history. Democrats should be extremely worried they won. Sure fella.
06:23pm 08/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27264 posts
Get a load of these stupid chud f***wits. Think of how many times they've been warned, how many times they've had things carefully explained to them, the events unfolding right in front of their dumb faces. They never learn anything, and the kind of people they support are completely unequipped to deal with any serious issue. Just a big hot air balloon full of boast and bluster but as soon as even a slight wind blows they panic. Great at inheriting a strong economy and taking credit for things they didn't create, but terrible at taking the responsibility when it completely tanks under the weight of their ineptitude.

You dumb chud f***wits can go away and f*** off forever. You're not needed. Go away and whine about voter fraud while you discuss your latest My Little Pony Happy Meal purchases. You're all so deeply covered in s*** there's no way back for you. Everyone should be making a point of remembering who these f***wits were and making them pay for it. Shame and ridicule is the only language narcissist reality denying scum understand. If at some stage they try to pretend they never really supported trump or that they simply got caught up in the hype they're lying. Never let them forget what they did.

It's great Biden was elected but it wasn't easy and it wasn't a landslide when it absolutely should have been. It's a sad indictment of the American people and f*** me I hope I'm wrong but I see decades of issues ahead with so many dumb f**** still in play.
08:00pm 08/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4271 posts
lol deluded right to the end.
Most voted for President in history. Democrats should be extremely worried they won. Sure fella.


Yeah trump has also collected more votes than any other candidate little fella.


You dumb chud f***wits can go away and f*** off forever. You're not needed. Go away and whine about voter fraud while you discuss your latest My Little Pony Happy Meal purchases


A lesson in accepting outcomes of elections from Mr Russian memes stole the election.

I know that you love to lash out this way because your a tiny brained insecure little man boy and deep down you know Biden might have etched out the tiniest of margins so you are aware the political winds are changing.

But the reality is Biden is almost certain going to be the first president in 30 years to have a hostile senate and the dems might hold on to the house by the slimmest of margins.

The Americans decided to hamstring Biden from the outset.

And the principle reason is people like you.

Andrew Sullivan can see it.

But Trumpism? It did far better than anyone expected. Down-ballot, many Republicans out-performed their nominal leader. The GOP made real gains in the House — during a health crisis and a recession — and will probably hold the Senate, effectively checkmating any truly progressive ambitions Biden might have had.
They’re nationalist, culturally conservative, geared toward the losers of capitalism as well as its winners, and mildly protectionist and isolationist. It is a natural response to the unintended consequences of neoliberalism’s success under a conservative banner. And it speaks in a language that working class Americans understand, devoid of the woke neologisms of the educated elite. It seems to me that this formula is a far more settled and electorally potent coalition than what we now see among the deeply divided Democrats.
Democrats have been telling us that Trump and his supporters were white supremacists, that he was indeed the “First White President” in Ta-Nehisi Coates’ words, that all minorities were under assault by the modern day equivalent of the KKK. And yet, the GOP got the highest proportion of the minority vote since 1960! No wonder Charles Blow’s head exploded.

We may find out more as exit polling is pored over, but in the current stats, Trump measurably increased his black, Latino, gay and Asian support. 12 percent of blacks — and 18 percent of black men — backed someone whom the left has identified as a “white supremacist”, and 32 percent of Latinos voted for the man who put immigrant children in cages, giving Trump Florida and Texas. 31 percent of Asians and 28 percent of the gay, lesbian and transgender population also went for Trump. The gay vote for Trump may have doubled! We’ll see if this pans out. But it’s an astonishing rebuke of identity politics and its crude assumptions about how unique individuals vote.


So yeah. The democrats should be extremely worried.
09:16pm 08/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27265 posts
The way I know a bunch of pathetic whining and laughable false bravado is happening is when a bunch of slightly thicker black lines appear between posts. Imagine being the dumb c*** who went all in on trump not being a disaster, and that right wing extremism was nothing to worry about, and how dumb the people overreacting to trump are everything's fine!

I have a confession to make. When that bargain f***wit said I missed the context of this guy's posts I read some. Holy Broolstoryco II Batman. Or maybe you're the same person. Who gives a f***. The only difference is broolstoryco sympathised with people who only have a double digit kill count. You worship the guy with six figures. And you reply to a person who hasn't read a single post of yours in three years like I am reading them. What sort of f***ed up mind does that? The kind of pathetic s*** who can't handle any form of rejection. Congrats, out of entire set of extreme f***wits, you're by far the largest.
09:28pm 08/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24777 posts
The thing I like the best is that regardless of the outcome, it is so easy to comprehend that life will go on and there's no need to scream at the sky, loot stores, set cars on fire or tear down statues - those are features of liberalism.

I hope the voter fraud is exposed, the courts make their decisions and then if they rule Biden won the election everyone moves on.

It would be terrible to relive the election loss every day like Hillary, the Democrats and the MSM have done since 2016.

It's great Biden was elected but it wasn't easy and it wasn't a landslide when it absolutely should have been.


The great part is that without control of the Senate the craziest extreme leftist policies will just be dreams.
09:44pm 08/11/20 Permalink
bargain
Melbourne, Victoria
2063 posts

Get a load of these stupid chud f***wits. Think of how many times they've been warned, how many times they've had things carefully explained to them, the events unfolding right in front of their dumb faces. They never learn anything, and the kind of people they support are completely unequipped to deal with any serious issue. Just a big hot air balloon full of boast and bluster but as soon as even a slight wind blows they panic. Great at inheriting a strong economy and taking credit for things they didn't create, but terrible at taking the responsibility when it completely tanks under the weight of their ineptitude.

You dumb chud f***wits can go away and f*** off forever. You're not needed. Go away and whine about voter fraud while you discuss your latest My Little Pony Happy Meal purchases. You're all so deeply covered in s*** there's no way back for you. Everyone should be making a point of remembering who these f***wits were and making them pay for it. Shame and ridicule is the only language narcissist reality denying scum understand. If at some stage they try to pretend they never really supported trump or that they simply got caught up in the hype they're lying. Never let them forget what they did.

It's great Biden was elected but it wasn't easy and it wasn't a landslide when it absolutely should have been. It's a sad indictment of the American people and f*** me I hope I'm wrong but I see decades of issues ahead with so many dumb f**** still in play.


Biden wins, fpot still manages to have a meltdown, lol.
10:09pm 08/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4272 posts
I have a confession to make. When that bargain f***wit said I missed the context of this guy's posts I read some. Holy Broolstoryco II Batman. Or maybe you're the same person. Who gives a f***. The only difference is broolstoryco sympathised with people who only have a double digit kill count. You worship the guy with six figures. And you reply to a person who hasn't read a single post of yours in three years like I am reading them. What sort of f***ed up mind does that? The kind of pathetic s*** who can't handle any form of rejection. Congrats, out of entire set of extreme f***wits, you're by far the largest.


Not sure you know what ignore means. Well done fpot you sad sad little bouncer.
10:35pm 08/11/20 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
17092 posts
Eh to be honest I'm kind of bummed out, the media had every excuse not to call this election for weeks. Instead they cashed in for short term ratings, they jumped the gun and now all the fun will be over. ffs even Fox has called it! I wonder if they will allow their people to call him 'president elect' yet lols

For the dota players - couldn't we have camped the conservatives' pool for a bit before killing the ancient? Its not like there is anything to fear from the spurious fraud allegations and desperate law suits. Gaben had this one locked at 100% win chance.

All jokes aside I just can't shake the feeling that the media is trying to convince people of the win rather than just let the recounts and courts do their thing like in 2000's Gore vs Bush. Which is also weird because they could have milked TONNES of ratings for weeks if they just sat on the 'too close to call' narrative. They could even have blamed Trump for it, not like he was going to concede and its not like there is actual evidence of fraud to be concerned about?

Were they actually worried about something real, like the possibility of violent insurrection from the right?
See how quickly these guys hate taking things to court when they think their guy has won? They were all about investigating the balls out of completely bogus things like the Steele dossier for 4 years now they come out of the woodwork when people suggest that maybe something might be up when a USPS employee goes public with allegations he was instructed to backdate absentee ballots.

Yeh I'm kind of shifting on this one, they should be able to file whatever they want so long as the tax payer is not on the hook for meritless cases. I assume the first judge in the chain has the right to just throw out suits (without right of appeal) that have no legal standing whatsoever?
Well done fpot you sad sad little bouncer.

Can you please stop doing that dude?
11:43pm 08/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4273 posts
Can you please stop doing that dude?


Thank for your lucid post. But no. I see no reason not to be savagely rude to someone who likes calling everyone Nazis and is objectively stupid.

If he can learn to control himself his treatment might improve.
07:00am 09/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24778 posts


Thank for your lucid post. But no. I see no reason not to be savagely rude to someone who likes calling everyone Nazis and is objectively stupid.

If he can learn to control himself his treatment might improve.


It's so obvious that's the most offensive and hurtful language on this forum. Please stop it.

*rollseyes*
09:35am 09/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
915 posts
Hog chastising PP is tantamount to calling fpot a special needs person because his behaviour cannot be held to the same standard. Couldn't think of a better insult tbh. Good job.

I think Milwaukee will be ground zero for the discrepancy in legitimate vs illegitimate voting. WI is so tight and Milwaukee looks highly suspect. We will see very soon all this lack of evidence of fraud, right?
10:44am 09/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21599 posts
11:45am 09/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21600 posts
One of my favourites
12:19pm 09/11/20 Permalink
Nmag
Sydney, New South Wales
1361 posts
In apolitical workplaces where we would typically never speak of politics nothing will beat having random work colleagues emotionally lose it after Trump got in. Just not being able to contain themselves and don't even live there. High on ABC and Guardian BS. The ability to contain political opinion overridden by TDS. There was a lot of it over the last 4 years and it was interesting to see how much emotions and feels contributed. Some of fpots abusive posts are just outrageous.
09:50pm 09/11/20 Permalink
Sir Redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
2365 posts
In apolitical workplaces where we would typically never speak of politics nothing will beat having random work colleagues emotionally lose it after Trump got in. Just not being able to contain themselves and don't even live there. High on ABC and Guardian BS. The ability to contain political opinion overridden by TDS. There was a lot of it over the last 4 years and it was interesting to see how much emotions and feels contributed. Some of fpots abusive posts are just outrageous.

Sounds like you need to inhale some copium bro

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/932/131/49c.png
11:22pm 09/11/20 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
12460 posts
This one was pretty funny.

10:30am 10/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27266 posts
Geez I sure feel stupid for ever suggesting that trump wouldn't peacefully concede the election.
12:55pm 11/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24780 posts
Has the election been declared yet? I didn't see the news article.
01:31pm 11/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6357 posts
heh, no surprise Infi is buying the election fraud angle. No fraud found has been confirmed by election officials.
03:15pm 11/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
916 posts
WaPo comes out with an article claiming the Pennsylvania USPS whistleblower recanted his allegations, of course via anonymous officials. Whistleblower goes on tape claiming he never recanted soon after.

Weird strategy to go with when you're supposedly on the "no fraud possible" team.
03:15pm 11/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27267 posts
There are now valleys of evidence.
04:19pm 11/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41523 posts
perhaps a fjord of evidence, or a loch mayhaps
04:53pm 11/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27268 posts
wait wait news just in, rainforests of evidence have just been found.
04:56pm 11/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24781 posts
just be cool. stop projecting.
05:07pm 11/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27269 posts
lol 'projecting'. Pretty handy thing to say when you're a spineless coward who can't handle even the smallest amount of heat. Go f*** yourself, pal.
05:21pm 11/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41524 posts
a mound of evidence.
05:41pm 11/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24782 posts
lol 'projecting'. Pretty handy thing to say when you're a spineless coward who can't handle even the smallest amount of heat. Go f*** yourself, pal.


I revel in heat. I hope this battle goes all the way to the Supreme Court and we find out how corrupt the process really is.

Don't be upset - it's just business.
05:45pm 11/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27270 posts
Spoilt little brat sitting in Daddy's office because he couldn't make it on his own in the real world claims he loves the heat. Nice one f***wit.
06:25pm 11/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6358 posts
lol. Infi doesnt have a leg to stand on so he's just gone full troll. It's alright. This is the dying breath of conservatism in its current form. 'real' conservatives accept election results.
Wait did i just quote Andrew Bolt.
06:58pm 11/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24783 posts
I am reading that if a political candidate seeks to have their grievance arbitrated by a court pursuant to legal processes this is a coup. Is this true?
07:16pm 11/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4274 posts
GA going to a hand recanvass and recount. What a fiasco.

Infi doesnt have a leg to stand on so he's just gone full troll. It's alright. This is the dying breath of conservatism in its current form.


Lol.
03:23pm 12/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21601 posts
postal voting is corruption?
03:44pm 12/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24784 posts
when tens of thousands of dead people vote in a system designed to facilitate that - yes.

tucker carlson did a great piece on it last night. with the names of dozens of actual dead people who votes, their hobbies and occupations. just the tip of the iceberg.
04:00pm 12/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4275 posts
postal voting is corruption?


I can't speak to that, but the argument being run in Pennsylvania is subtler than that.

As I understand it they are running the bush v gore argument that specifically in Pennsylvania in person voting was subject to a level of scrutiny that was so different to postal voting that it amounts to an equal protection violation. But I have not read the pleadings yet.

The gamble being that too many postal votes which should have been excluded from the count were allowed to count (for defects specified as disqualifing in the legislation, not necessarily 'fraud'). If that amounts to a reversal of the lead who knows. To be safe it would need to discard a net of nearly 80k Biden votes to get out of recount territory. It's big hill to climb.
04:38pm 12/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27272 posts
So while trump is focussing all his attention on baseless conspiracy theories what's happening with COVID? I guess it must be pretty stable otherwise he'd do something about it?
04:40pm 12/11/20 Permalink
Sir Redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
2366 posts
I am reading that if a political candidate seeks to have their grievance arbitrated by a court pursuant to legal processes this is a coup. Is this true?

"their grievance"

It's more like airing of the grievances. What's trump's score on post election lawsuits so far? 0/10 last I checked the other day.

It is cool how Trump is begging for more money despite being really rich.
05:59pm 12/11/20 Permalink
Rukh
Brisbane, Queensland
1148 posts
when tens of thousands of dead people vote in a system designed to facilitate that - yes.


Where's the evidence? The Tucker Carlson bit claims to have 25 people across multiple States where it's possible voter fraud occurred. They don't even know if they voted for Biden. They could have voted for Trump.

There's likely more voter fraud at polling stations than 25 dead people voting. Especially when there's evidence that sometimes the "dead" people are actually someone alive with the name and postcode as the dead person.

But sure, "tens of thousands".

Provide evidence.
06:12pm 12/11/20 Permalink
Rukh
Brisbane, Queensland
1149 posts
Anyone think it strange that Biden supporters supposedly rigged the election (even in States with Republicans in office) for President but didn't bother to do so apparently to ensure they also had a majority in the Senate? And they also didn't bother to make sure they even maintained their current lead in the House and in fact have lost seats?

And unlike here in Australia where we have separate ballot papers for House of Reps and the Senate they have them on the same ballots usually....

Strange that. Bit of an oversight.
06:15pm 12/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21602 posts
when tens of thousands of dead people vote in a system designed to facilitate that - yes.

tucker carlson did a great piece on it last night. with the names of dozens of actual dead people who votes, their hobbies and occupations. just the tip of the iceberg


I heard this as one of the number of conspiracy theories thrown up. They said it was a thing in the past. Would like to see the tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of dead person votes needed to swing a state
07:14pm 12/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4276 posts
Anyone think it strange that Biden supporters supposedly rigged the election (even in States with Republicans in office) for President but didn't bother to do so apparently to ensure they also had a majority in the Senate? And they also didn't bother to make sure they even maintained their current lead in the House and in fact have lost seats?


Just spit balling here but it might be much harder to rig 435 elections with thousands of candidates with out being obvious vs 1 election with 2 candidates.

But the most likely explanation for what we are seeing is voters dislike the democrats agenda and Trump's personality in vaguely equal measure so a pox on both their houses.
08:21pm 12/11/20 Permalink
Nmag
Sydney, New South Wales
1362 posts
Trump was voted in cause he's not Hillary, and Biden was voted in cause he isn't Trump. In 4 years Rick Dale will be voted in cause he's not Harris.

https://affairpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/American-Restorations.jpg
11:08pm 12/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40068 posts
This is not over, and indeed, will never be over. Everyone should acknowledge that.
I hope the voter fraud is exposed
What evidence will it take (#wewit) for you to be satisfied there is no meaningful voter fraud?
12:03pm 13/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27273 posts
It will only be over when something terrible enough happens that even trump supporters will be whoa s*** yeah that's bad maybe trump isn't the way to go. With everything we've seen and all the terrible occurrences since his 2016 election it's hard and also scary to imagine how terrible that event will need to be.
12:28pm 13/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41529 posts
DRUMPH 2024!!!!!!
02:52pm 13/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24785 posts
Having read the court filings there are many troubling allegations of what could be electoral fraud. There is probably a dozen different categories but for me four of the most egregious are:

- counting of ballots after counting for the night was officially ended and Republican observers sent home;
- issuing of postal ballots to every voter on a badly outdated electoral UNSOLICITED which were then submitted fraudulently on behalf of dead people (and possibly the living);
- failure to identify and verify signatures of postal voters
- refusal to permit election observers inside polling stations for ballot counts

What evidence will it take (#wewit) for you to be satisfied there is no meaningful voter fraud?


Just like in 2000 once the court applications are decided everyone has to move on. Certain voting authorities conducted themselves improperly, that's the evidence that will be tendered. Pennsylvania court decision has accepted an irregularity occurred when the State executive moved the date for acceptance of postal ballots outside of the legislation. I say just let the court cases run. 2000 took 37 days.
03:13pm 13/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27274 posts
Three binders of evidence is getting into canals of evidence territory. Stop the transition!
04:09pm 13/11/20 Permalink
Sir Redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
2367 posts
Having read the court filings there are many troubling allegations of what could be electoral fraud. There is probably a dozen different categories but for me four of the most egregious are:

- counting of ballots after counting for the night was officially ended and Republican observers sent home;
- issuing of postal ballots to every voter on a badly outdated electoral UNSOLICITED which were then submitted fraudulently on behalf of dead people (and possibly the living);
- failure to identify and verify signatures of postal voters
- refusal to permit election observers inside polling stations for ballot counts



Just like in 2000 once the court applications are decided everyone has to move on. Certain voting authorities conducted themselves improperly, that's the evidence that will be tendered. Pennsylvania court decision has accepted an irregularity occurred when the State executive moved the date for acceptance of postal ballots outside of the legislation. I say just let the court cases run. 2000 took 37 days.


So much copium here, AZ is being called for biden.
06:19pm 13/11/20 Permalink
Rukh
Brisbane, Queensland
1150 posts
troubling allegations


Allegations are not evidence.

Where's the beef?
06:31pm 13/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24786 posts
1000 affidavits are in the process of being lodged. So I guess we see.

Copium. Very dank.

https://i.imgur.com/304iIP7.jpg
06:49pm 13/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40069 posts
What evidence will it take (#wewit) for you to be satisfied there is no meaningful voter fraud?
Just like in 2000 once the court applications are decided everyone has to move on.
By "moved on" do you mean "I now accept there was no voter fraud, Biden is the rightful President"? i.e., the evidence you will accept there was no fraud is simply enough court decisions saying there was no fraud in their jurisdiction that it leads to a Biden win? (... like how the Democrats so gracefully "moved on" in 2000!!!)

Because "move on" is a little vague; it's not clear if you mean "well there actually was voter fraud and the courts didn't act on it because [reasons], Biden is an illegitimate president but, well, what are you going to do about it"?

It's clear from your posts previous posts you are highly confident there has been voter fraud. So again, my question is not about the details of the specific frauds you believe have happened (I make no claims as to whether there was or was not fraud and am not interested in getting into the weeds).

It's about what is it going to take to make you believe deep down that there wasn't fraud, and that it was as fair as an election as America knows how to put on. If it is just the court decision saying so, then that's great. Simple, clear, reasonable, rational, and I assume it's literally what the law says anyway.

Because no matter the outcome, some of the highest officials in the last throwing shade is casting severe doubt on the integrity of the American election process (and democracy), and trying to figure out how to convince people that it was a fair election is what America should be focusing on. Because I am not sure there are a lot of people that are just going to accept the decision of the courts as being the same thing as "no fraud" (you know, because the President is literally going to Tweet to them that the courts are in on it, or whatever).
08:48am 14/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24787 posts
It's clear that fraud occurred, it's just whether courts will rule it substantial enough to grant relief.

When postal ballots are distributed unsolicited by helicopter, fraud is inevitable.

And the other problem is what relief does a court grant once the well has been poisoned?

By "moved on" do you mean


Like when you lose a poker hand. The other guy got lucky, it's bulls***, but I lost, the dealer just took my chips.

You know, like the way the Democrats have behaved for the last 4 years "Hillary/CNN say the Russians stole the election" - except they are far worse, weaponising the FBI, illegal FISA warrants, Special Investigation and Congressional impeachment. I wonder if Republicans will do any of that?

The Democrats have set the precedent for how to behave when an election is lost - undermine the President for the entire term.

What would it take for you to believe Trump had COVID and recovered from it in one week?
08:59am 14/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27275 posts
One final grift for the dumbest of the dumb to go for a ride on.

edit: so while all this attention is being focussed on this one final grift, how is COVID going in the states? All good?
12:48pm 14/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24788 posts
One final grift for the dumbest of the dumb to go for a ride on.


all poor fpot can manage these days is "that's dumb".

how is COVID going in the states?


no it is terrible. the individual states (particularly Democrat ones, notably the landing point, New York) have done a terrible job at preventing spread of the infection and providing health services. Americans don't listen to govt very well in the first place.

thankfully the Trump administration's Operation Warp Speed allocated $2b to Pfizer and now a fast tracked vaccine will be ready soon.
02:02pm 14/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27276 posts
Imagine the landing point being one of the most densely populated and largest trading centres in the world. It must be the democrats fault.

Dude claiming trump lost the election because of voter fraud is utterly absurd. It's so plainly the last gasp effort of the billion dollar loser propped up into his impossible to fail life, failing. The worry isn't that he will pull this off and steal the election. The worry is that his army of dumb violent armed racist conspiracy theorist numpties are pumping their veins full of this juicy reality denial elixir of hope. You know, the ones who have been committing lethal acts of right-wing terrorism throughout his tenure. The acts you've been ignoring and will continue to ignore. The ones you'd be mingling with and describing as patriots if you were unlucky enough to be American.
02:11pm 14/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
917 posts
It's one thing to be a retard. It's another to spend that long formulating such a retarded post.
05:40pm 14/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40070 posts
It's clear that fraud occurred, it's just whether courts will rule it substantial enough to grant relief.
It's obvious that some problems are going to happen when 150 million people are voting. I am not denying there was some fraud.

I'll cheerfully stipulate that there was some kind of fraud on both sides by random individuals. This is just part of the background noise of every election. (FWIW every voting expert I have seen comment on this issue - at least, prior to this election - has said it is so tiny that it's not worth considering, but whatever.)

But you seem to be alleging there was some mass fraud that was some sort of conspiracy? Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying. Maybe you are just saying it is just regular old casual fraud but at a bigger scale? So we still end up not having an answer to my question about "meaningful" voter fraud :|

And the other problem is what relief does a court grant once the well has been poisoned?
I dunno what this means. If courts can't do anything then there's no rule of law and you're not living in a functioning democracy. Clearly, Trump and some Republicans think that this is not an issue based on all the court cases.
Like when you lose a poker hand. The other guy got lucky, it's bulls***, but I lost, the dealer just took my chips.
You're not alleging "luck", you're saying it's fraud. Cheating. In poker if you cheat I don't imagine people just "move on".
The Democrats have set the precedent for how to behave when an election is lost - undermine the President for the entire term.
Handy memory lapse there on how the Republicans treated Obama, but anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again - deciding on how to behave by basing your behaviour on the bad behaviour of your peers is weak
What would it take for you to believe Trump had COVID and recovered from it in one week?
Weird segue, but, uh, not much, actually - the burden of proof on this is spectacularly low. Maybe if someone said it that wasn't a serial liar or part of an establishment of serial lying?
06:18pm 14/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24789 posts
But you seem to be alleging there was some mass fraud that was some sort of conspiracy?


With 10,000 polling organisations nationwide, and 50 states organising their own voting procedures there is no consistency to the management of ballots.

The filings allege individual states reorganised existing voting procedures to prejudice Republican voting, whether that be by mail in ballots, or ballot counting procedures, or ballot observation access. This indicates illegal behaviour on the part of Democrat controlled polling officials or State administrations, many of whom showed their Democrat affiliation on their sleeve while they worked. I am not sure that conspiracy is needed to be established, just illegal behaviour, or even a simple failure to follow procedure set out by the legislature.

On a third claim, for which standing was also found, the GOP voter plaintiffs actually won on the merits.

“[The GOP voters] have alleged that through the Presumption of Timeliness, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has created a different, extended Election Day than the one established by Congress,”


Overall their claims have been unsuccessful and they have to either appeal those rulings to Supreme Court or accept them. There has to be an end to the process to provide certainty and the burden is on Republican lawyers to compile compelling evidence.

You're not alleging "luck", you're saying it's fraud.


The justice game (especially in political matters) is not about merits, it is just an extension of politics. To that end it is just luck - which justice is allocated to your case, which witnesses turn up on the day and don't crumble under cross-examination etc. Furthermore, you will see in the rulings the reluctance of courts to interfere in elections. So a corrupt state administration always has the advantage.

It's statements like this which destroy the credibility of the process. The most secure election in history? Until a full audit of mass mail in ballot states occurs, there will be no knowing the extent to which dead people voted. Mail in ballots should always be an exception and not a rule for this very rule and mailing the entire electoral roll of a state unsolicited is flat out insanity.

And the other problem is what relief does a court grant once the well has been poisoned?
I dunno what this means. If courts can't do anything then there's no rule of law and you're not living in a functioning democracy.


If illegal ballots have entered the pool and not been quarantined there is no way of knowing which ones they are and thus being able to reverse them.

Handy memory lapse there on how the Republicans treated Obama, but anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again - deciding on how to behave by basing your behaviour on the bad behaviour of your peers is weak


You are delusional if you think after the spying and FISA warrants and Russian peepee tapes Steele dossier and the #notmypresident #impeach45 #BLM bulls***, Democrats are going to be granted a clean slate. It is clear that the Democrats are fixated on a woke liberal agenda advanced by violence and lawlessness. The next four years will simply be a process of preventing as much damage as possible until another Republican President and hopefully flip the Congress in the meantime. Democrats lost Congressional seats at this election. So much for a blue wave - just hundreds of thousands of magical after hours votes that only voted for Joe Biden and not in the Senate or Congress. ;)

This presidential election was decided by 90,000 votes in 3 states, so all that tinkering paid off.
06:51pm 14/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4277 posts
You are delusional if you think after the spying and FISA warrants and Russian peepee tapes Steele dossier and the #notmypresident #impeach45 #BLM bulls***, Democrats are going to be granted a clean slate


Yeah the idea that democrats have any standing to complain about how one should behave after losing a narrow election is preposterous. If all they get is law suits in 6 states they should consider themselves lucky.
07:39pm 14/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27277 posts
Well I guess an endless sequence of braindead conspiracy theories is one way to avoid ever having to face the truth. Honestly it could go on forever - you may never find yourself in a position where you're forced to accept the truth. My question though is what happens one day when you do? What happens on the day infi is actually forced to face reality after so long denying its existence?

I can't really envision a scenario where such a protected little species such as yourself ever would but you better hope you never have to. It's gonna be ugly.
09:04pm 14/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40071 posts
With 10,000 polling organisations nationwide, and 50 states organising their own voting procedures there is no consistency to the management of ballots.
You're right, a single federal agency WOULD be a better solution!

(I'll read the rest tomorrow, too late for shenanigans tonight)
09:13pm 14/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4278 posts
Well I guess an endless sequence of braindead conspiracy theories is one way to avoid ever having to face the truth.


Well seems to have worked for you Captain Russia.
08:48am 15/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40072 posts
I can only read the rest of your post as "there is no evidence that will convince me that this election was not rigged by systematic Democrat (or whomever fraud" so not sure there's any point in me responding point by point.

I will make one comment on the most nerdy part though:
The most secure election in history? Until a full audit of mass mail in ballot states occurs, there will be no knowing the extent to which dead people voted
I am not an election expert but I have been following several for years (not intentionally; they are just computer security & cryptography people who have ended up in the field). I've always found it interesting because in my young naive days I was like "well why don't we just vote on THE INTERNET", before I'd spent half my life learning about the Internet and computers and how bad an idea that would be.

But one of the ways they check the integrity of elections is through something called "risk-limiting audits"; this is a statistical approach which does not involve checking every individual ballot - you can check only a very small percentage very quickly and end up with an extremely high degree of confidence. Unfortunately doing this automatically as part of the election process in every state has not been pushed into legislation yet, but there are organisations that are doing it in at least some states (I think I saw Georgia?).

I don't know all the details but several of the infosec/voting nerds I follow talk about RLAs all the time as being one of the most effective tools to ensure election integrity. One of them posted a link this morning to this report which if you have unlimited spare time is worth a read

edit: f*** I screwed up the link or something and it ate the rest of my post, but it was basically just nerding out on how experts view election integrity these days
08:59am 15/11/20 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
12461 posts
I've always found it interesting because in my young naive days I was like "well why don't we just vote on THE INTERNET", before I'd spent half my life learning about the Internet and computers and how bad an idea that would be.
No worse than our current in person voting system. I can't think of the last time my identity was validating for in person voting. You just show up and give them your name...then they ask you a dumb question like "You live at 1 Whatever St?". You just answer yes and you're in. They they use a ruler to mark you off of the roll manually. I can't imagine validating identity on the Internet to be any worse than that, if anything it would probably be more stringent because they aren't under pressure to push you through as quickly as possible.
11:50am 15/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
918 posts
I can't really envision a scenario where such a protected little species such as yourself ever would but you better hope you never have to. It's gonna be ugly.


Can't be any uglier than goats like you running around peaceful marches king hitting people you disagree with. I honestly wonder how long the right in the US puts up the petulant left before they snap.
07:15pm 15/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24790 posts
One has to differentiate between the fanciful ramblings of an internet forum and actual violent facist anti-facists and marxists. I doubt fpot would ever actually show up to be anything and be counted. I doubt he has ever stood for anything in real life ever.
07:28pm 15/11/20 Permalink
Chancre
Brisbane, Queensland
47 posts
Am I cherry picking with this link? Well I guess it's just one maths communicator critiquing one video, so I guess so.

https://youtu.be/aokNwKx7gM8
08:09pm 15/11/20 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
12462 posts
I doubt he has ever stood for anything in real life ever.
This is the general consensus about all arguments on the Internet. Adult children living with their parents setting the world straight 1 key stroke at a time. The generalisation doesn't differentiate between political views.
09:05am 16/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21603 posts
How are the lawsuits going?
09:22am 16/11/20 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
17093 posts
Don't mind me, just leaving this here so it doesn't get lost
Just like in 2000 once the court applications are decided everyone has to move on.
11:28am 16/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24792 posts
yep i'm fine with that. i have a law degree, i know how that stuff works kinda.
11:32am 16/11/20 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
17094 posts
yep i'm fine with that. i have a law degree, i know how that stuff works kinda.

OK, I'm finally ready to call the election.

- Unless he is assassinated or falls off the perch or otherwise disappears, Joe Biden will be inaugurated as 46th President of the United States, likely on the 20th January 2021.
- infi will not accept that this is valid, either by becoming mute altogether or refusing to answer questions specific to the topic.
- Alternatively, infi might say he accepts that it is valid and then later be shown to not mean it (for example by him not getting over it and bringing it up again later).

I'm opening a book, any takers?

Edit: had to fix a few wording and logic things because lawyers are just so tricksy falsey. I hope that covers it now.

Please note the extreme lengths required when trying to hold a conversation in good faith with these slippery f****.
11:41am 16/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24793 posts
The rule of law dictates that once legal avenues are exhausted then by that very nature the outcome is legal, so how in that case could it be argued as invalid?

The justice game is not about what is right. It is about what is politically preferable, especially obviously in matters of politics as compared to private civil matters.

When someone beats you at the game, you just have to tip your hat, say nicely played and then commit to playing the game better next time.
11:53am 16/11/20 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
17095 posts
The rule of law dictates that once legal avenues are exhausted then by that very nature the outcome is legal, so how in that case could it be argued as invalid?

IANAL so I have no idea!

I do know you though. If you actually do claim to accept the election and 'move on', it will sit like a battery in your belly for years to come because you won't be able to b**** about it on this forum without looking like a drongo.

I'm happy either way tbh.
11:56am 16/11/20 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
17096 posts
Speaking of COVID, with this afternoon's sudden announcement of 14 cases in Adelaide QLD should immediately close all interstate borders (rather than just to Adelaide) until the cluster is better understood over the coming days.

I hope this is a bit of a Chicken Little opinion, but surely there wouldn't be brazilians of affected travelers over a couple of days. 14 sudden positive results is hyuge.
02:43pm 16/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40073 posts
Speaking of COVID, with this afternoon's sudden announcement of 14 cases in Adelaide QLD should immediately close all interstate borders (rather than just to Adelaide) until the cluster is better understood over the coming days.

I hope this is a bit of a Chicken Little opinion, but surely there wouldn't be brazilians of affected travelers over a couple of days. 14 sudden positive results is hyuge.
I kind agree, if it was one or two I probably wouldn't mind. A quick closure even for a few days or a week would greatly limit the amount of potential exposure. Just thinking about all the additional contact tracing, notifications, etc, QLD is going to have to do as a result of these SA cases is giving me a headache already.
03:24pm 16/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4279 posts
I'm opening a book, any takers?


You missed another option. He could spend the next four years claiming Biden was in cahoots with the Chinese and by booking $4000 of Google ads and spreading memes that looked like a special needs child made them swung the election by exactly 90,000 votes in three key states.
05:28pm 16/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41531 posts
multiple flights into qld today from SA, so hoping its not too late!
07:38pm 16/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27278 posts
I'm opening a book, any takers?
lol no

Literally every trump supporter is also a lying piece of s***. I don't mean the vast majority, or 99.9% I mean every single one. If you dispute that, show me one who isn't.

When this conspiracy theory is over he and the others will simply move on to the next one, pretending the previous one doesn't exist if required. That's how these people live, one conspiracy theory to the next, forever on the run from the truth.
07:42pm 16/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4280 posts
Literally every trump supporter is also a lying piece of s***. I don't mean the vast majority, or 99.9% I mean every single one. If you dispute that, show me one who isn't.


71 million people.

Today on idiot gold coast bouncers say the darnedest things.
07:56am 17/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40075 posts
Also how about this robodebt thing in the (far more interesting) Australian news! heads should be rolling!!
08:51am 17/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21604 posts
It's clear that fraud occurred,


Is it? Have you got some evidence that Donald's legal teams couldn't pitch up at with any of their 15 odd court hearings thrown out or dropped since Friday?
08:58am 17/11/20 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
17098 posts
This comment is my last one in this thread. Its quite nice and I hope you like it. Would you like to know more?



Like ... this amazeballs comment has an actual internet lawyer in it, sif you can complain about it now?!
09:07am 17/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
919 posts
Who gives a f*** about robodebt. The fact that ScoMo just signed a massive new FTA with China less than 12 months after they let a pandemic loose and decided not to tell anyone about it is some of the most complete evidence that Australia is finished as a sovereign country. Watch Chinese companies move in like wildfire to steel and coal and that will be all she wrote for the Australian economy.

Is it? Have you got some evidence that Donald's legal teams couldn't pitch up at with any of their 15 odd court hearings thrown out or dropped since Friday?


You are a really really smart guy so you'd know that they have more suits coming and that they just "found" 2600 ballots in a single Georgia county during their audit.
09:41am 17/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21605 posts
But is that evidence of fraud? What if there are democrat votes in there too?

Is that going to swing the state?

Loving your positive attitude though.
11:44am 17/11/20 Permalink
Sir Redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
2368 posts

https://www.wcpo.com/news/national/oregon-is-1st-state-to-decriminalize-drugs-like-heroin-cocaine-heres-what-that-means

At least there's been some good news from the US. Sensible changes after the failed war on drugs.
06:50pm 17/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27279 posts
Who gives a f*** about robodebt.
People with responsibilities beyond pulling their own d***.
09:46pm 17/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6359 posts
Trump's on a firing spree again. The timing & choices are interesting.
06:43pm 18/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24796 posts
He needs to fire Wray and Fauci next.
08:45pm 18/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21607 posts
Yes just plunge the country a bit further into the dumpster fire before leaving.
10:17pm 18/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27282 posts
So when the actual president takes over on January the 20th he'll be able to reverse these final acts of sabotage, right?
01:22am 19/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
40077 posts
He needs to fire Wray and Fauci next.
Fauci?! Explain
08:38am 19/11/20 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
41534 posts
spreading all that #fakenews
09:16am 19/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27283 posts
Proud of our diggers

Way to f*** over an entire legacy. Kind of makes me think the culture of secrecy and murder always existed and there was never anything to be proud of.
01:24pm 19/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24797 posts
That is a shocking report. I hope they are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
01:31pm 19/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27284 posts
Yep, top to bottom please.
01:42pm 19/11/20 Permalink
Nmag
Sydney, New South Wales
1363 posts
Proud of our diggers

Way to f*** over an entire legacy. Kind of makes me think the culture of secrecy and murder always existed and there was never anything to be proud of.


"Entire" "never anything". There are about 600 currently. They come and go regularly. Likely been a couple thousand in the last 10 years. They are investigating 19. Even if there were 50 being investigated... it's hardly "entire" and "never anything to be proud of" is just ridiculous and disappointing level of appreciation for their efforts.

The hatred by the far left of our defence force is disappointing.
03:20pm 19/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27285 posts
You're pretty f*****g dumb.
03:36pm 19/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
920 posts
China is a disgrace and no elected politician from 2020 onward should ever be elected unless they have demonstrated anti-China positions. With the possible installation of a weak as piss Biden we will be without the backing necessary to hold policy positions in our interests against them.
09:04am 20/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21610 posts
My new favourite thing to do every morning is check how many of Trump's lawsuits have failed over night.
09:27am 20/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21611 posts
10:33am 20/11/20 Permalink
trog
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Are there odds on how long it's going to take before a Trump tweet eviscerating Rudy? I mean it has to happen right?
11:30am 20/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21612 posts
last i saw Trump tweeted that Rudy's rant was 100% proof of widespread voter fraud

(no evidence provided by anyone from anywhere)
11:36am 20/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27286 posts
The official GOP twitter account is claiming trump won in a landslide. Think about what that means.
11:56am 20/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27287 posts
03:53pm 20/11/20 Permalink
Sir Redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
2371 posts
lol Rudy is challenging trump for the title of meme lord.

https://vimeo.com/481514128
04:18pm 20/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24798 posts
This theatre is awesome.

I am looking forward to Rudy walking into the Supreme Court with grills, entourage and a smoke machine.
04:35pm 20/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27288 posts
This theatre is awesome. I am looking forward to Rudy walking into the Supreme Court with grills, entourage and a smoke machine.
Alt-right coping mechanisms will never cease to amaze me.
04:45pm 20/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24799 posts
It's full on copium brah.

What happens when the copium runs out Doctor?

Will I start going around assaulting random people in rallies I disagree with?

Will I cry and scream at the sky?

Will I wear a pink pussy hat?

Will I compile lists of people I disagree with and harass and publicly shame them?

Will I rant constantly about the elected President being #notmypresident?

This would be terrible please renew my copium prescription.
05:08pm 20/11/20 Permalink
trog
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This theatre is awesome.

I am looking forward to Rudy walking into the Supreme Court with grills, entourage and a smoke machine.
it isn't awesome and the fact that you have repeatedly referred to the trainwreck of the last four years as awesome (as well as "funny" and "hilarious" on numerous occasions in a variety of contexts) is thoroughly confusing

unless

wait

are you Rupert Murdoch?
07:42pm 20/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24800 posts
For the last 4 years the Trump administration has been undermined every day.
1. Illegal FISA warrants spying on campaign.
2. Democrat party paying for fake Russian intelligence pee pee tapes dossier
3. Democrat FBI agents using fake garbage to commence legal processes, including the Mueller investigation.
4. The Fake news MSM striding hand in hand with this baseless narrative when in reality CNN covertly admits that #russiacollusion is a "nothingburger".
5. Don't forget Hillary roaming the countryside on her speaking and book tours claiming she was robbed by a few Russian Facebook ads.

There is no goodwill left in American politics - the Democrats will stop at nothing to destroy their opponents. It is important for the Trump campaign to present their evidence as so far it seems court appearances have been over procedural matters.

So let's keep the theatrics running as it's pure gold. OMG did you see Rudy's hair dye!? Hahhaah.

Trump Campaign can play their best hand and then the matter is over. Al Gore took 37 days. So this is just beginning.
08:21pm 20/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27289 posts
What happens when the copium runs out Doctor?
You'll just continue to be the raving conspiracy numpty s***bird that you've always been. That's all spoilt little brats who sit in daddy's office are good for. Meanwhile the less fortunate alt-right s***bird conspiracy numpties will continue with their lethal terrorist acts. I'll prescribe another dose of copium to help you pretend that those attacks aren't actually occurring.
05:27am 21/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4282 posts
Always entertaining to watch fpot meltdowns.

The raw jealousy he has of infi is something to behold.

He should really see someone about it. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a little shrine to you infi.
09:35am 21/11/20 Permalink
trog
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Trump Campaign can play their best hand
... and the rest of us have to sit here and can watch their supporters and apologists just shift goalposts and erect new strawmen every time you're confronted with facts, evidence, or reason, like you have for the last four years. Hahhaah what fun! Funny! Hilarious! Awesome!

meanwhile almost 190k people were diagnosed with COVID in the US today and 2000 people died. but yeh let's take a moment to appreciate the theatrics of the feckless Rudy. remind me what the big genius 4D chess plan is here? oh right, bluster through whining about democrats until it's not his problem any more!

my mate in Columbus mentioned today they're up to 1 in 40 people with COVID in the county I used to live in (Franklin), based on estimate of 2.5% infection rate (the latest infection rate at the university is 3% but he reckons it's higher than the usual background population)

didn't you say somewhere you were selling masks or something? why aren't you being a good opportunistic capitalist and using your impressive disinfo and s****tirring talents trying to spruik your wares all up and down the US at the moment instead of spreading disinfo?! you'd be making a fortune! (I'm working at a logistics startup at the moment, I can help you ship stuff from China direct!!)
09:47am 21/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24801 posts
didn't you say somewhere you were selling masks or something? why aren't you being a good opportunistic capitalist and using your impressive disinfo and s****tirring talents trying to spruik your wares all up and down the US at the moment


if you actually worked in logistics you would know the types of masks made in China cannot generally be certified in America and the cost to transport from Australia is prohibitive.

I have hundreds of thousands of facemasks and other PPE for my businesses and other Australians. I also donate large amounts to charity.
10:41am 21/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
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40085 posts
haha Americans can't even certify a f*****g Presidential election result, what makes you think they give a s*** about where their masks are made :D

I don't work /in/ logistics, just for a logistics company doing tech stuff. but I am learning because it's fascinating. we have done a lot of PPE gear shipping, although I confess I don't know how much of it was out of China. I will ask and find out!

but, of course a lot of the highly popular masks people are buying are Made in China. I guess if you're nitpicking about certification you're talking about for specific use in aged care homes or something.

but anyway maybe I misunderstood, I thought you were selling them to end users
11:02am 21/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21614 posts
It is important for the Trump campaign to present their evidence


I thought you had the present evidence before your case was thrown out or you drop it?

Have you read how many times they have changed their lawsuit in Pennsylvania? It's f*****g embarrassing that you are here still here batting away for the law suits. There hasn't been a single piece of credibile evidence presented to a court in any state that i have read about yet. Post a link here if you have something infi.

It is all just stalling to try and get past the date that electoral college has to confirm the college voting. He is taking a s*** on democracy and you are lapping it.
03:52pm 21/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24802 posts
Not at all. Al gore went for 37 days. It could take longer.

Let the law be followed and stop rushing things. The rule of law and faith in the electoral system is paramount. If the courts rule the election is declared then we all move on. There is no need to be upset.
04:02pm 21/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21615 posts

Just so many bogus stalling lawsuits without evidence, people are entitled to be angry.

Just waiting for some evidence.
04:23pm 21/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27290 posts
If the courts rule the election is declared then we all move on.
You'd like that wouldn't you.Except we don't completely move on. We remember the people who spent four years supporting and promoting the lies of the greatest threat to US democracy and world stability since WW2. I know I'm never going to let you and others like you forget. I'm well aware this will have little to no effect on your consequence free, impossible to fail lifestyle you've been granted but I think it's important anyway. It needs to be remembered.
05:17pm 21/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24803 posts
You'd like that wouldn't you.Except we don't completely move on. We remember the people who spent four years supporting and promoting the lies of the greatest threat to US democracy and world stability since WW2. I know I'm never going to let you and others like you forget. I'm well aware this will have little to no effect on your consequence free, impossible to fail lifestyle you've been granted but I think it's important anyway. It needs to be remembered.


Don't forget the fake peepee tapes and weaponized FBI Democrats
05:37pm 21/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27292 posts
yes yes the deep state conspiracy. I remember,
05:41pm 21/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21616 posts
And the FBI investigation launched on Hilary 8 days or whatever it was before the last election.

Does that count?
05:49pm 21/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24804 posts
And the FBI investigation launched on Hilary 8 days or whatever it was before the last election.

Does that count?


That should have been launched months beforehand. Comey was hedging his bets - what a slime bag.
05:52pm 21/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4283 posts
Just so many bogus stalling lawsuits without evidence, people are entitled to be angry.

Just waiting for some evidence.


Gore lost 5 consecutive recounts in Florida in 2000 and the supreme court stepped in to stop the endless recounting.

I have never once heard him described as taking a s*** on democracy despite it being banana republic stuff.

So far as I've heard oral argument in Pennsylvania started this week.

The amending and reamending of pleadings has been shambolic but you are allowed to do it.

The dominion business sounds like bollocks so far, but the relaxation of mail in requirements and the handling of scrutineers in Pennsylvania are real problems.
07:50pm 21/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
921 posts
A side that definitely didn't cheat would definitely have this big a problem with well established legal processes being duly completed.

A bit like the side that has a problem with canvassers attending the White House while simultaneously having no problem with said canvassers having themselves and their families threatened and doxxed.

There's one side that apparently has wacky election fraud conspiracy theories, and there's another side assaulting families on the streets of DC. The most amusing part is watching the big brains on this forum back the latter.
11:27pm 21/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21617 posts
Gore lost 5 consecutive recounts in Florida in 2000 and the supreme court stepped in to stop the endless recounting.


And then a University recounted the whole thing years after and found that Gore actually won.

None of these states are as close as Florida 2002 and no one was claiming voter fraud.
07:41am 22/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4284 posts
I'm not sure a university recounting according to an interpretation of the law heard and rejected by the SCOTUS is a particularly strong argument.

And while Florida may have been closer that of itself doesn't undermine his right to litigate.

They are saying the were denied the opportunity to properly assess over 600k ballots *and* Pennsylvania's rejection rate is *much* lower this year than in previous years.

It's absolutely possible enough of them could be rejected under more vigorous review to alter the outcome even with an innocent explanation.

It's not conclusive evidence of a plot to steal the election but it's enough to have a second look. Pennsylvania has announced its going to conduct an audit of it election so I'm not going to entertain everything was just fine.

In all likelihood it probably the case Trump narrowly lost the election. But I simply don't agree it's some giant afront to democracy to contest election counts the *states themselves* have conceded they need to review.

This especially so when polling shows 78 of democrats mistakenly believe russia changed the 2016 election results. As infi said the goodwill has been completely sucked from American politics.
09:35am 22/11/20 Permalink
Nmag
Sydney, New South Wales
1364 posts

lol fpot is melting down for no reason. Why so angry? You don't live there. You have Biden coming in to replace Trump. R U OK?

https://www.beyondblue.org.au/the-facts/depression

01:33pm 22/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6361 posts
What happened to Obamagate and the hunter biden scandal, Infi?

Don't you think this is all smoke and mirrors to buy time for Trump to get more cash from his supporters? Its either that or his ego can't handle an election loss and he's ramped up his disconnection from reality to new levels.
The coming weeks will be interesting. The presidency has absolutely destroyed that country's reputation and the lack of covid response and incompetence has crippled their institutions & economy. Yet again im glad im not American.
04:43pm 22/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
922 posts
What happened to Obamagate and the hunter biden scandal, Infi?


The same thing that happened to Hillary when Comey admitted she broke the law but refused to prosecute because apparently according to the FBI her intentions weren't criminal when she decided to delete 30,000 emails. These establishment politicians are protected by all levels of government and are covered for by their propaganda agencies (MSM).

When the left whinges about Trump making a transition difficult, you have to laugh at the level of hypocrisy. This treasonous behaviour was par for the course for the last 4 years and now the left thinks that "unity" is possible. The US is finished as a democracy regardless of the results of any future elections.
09:59am 23/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27293 posts
It's a deep state conspiracy, a fake news conspiracy and it was the democrats all along!
01:52pm 23/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24805 posts
What happened to Obamagate and the hunter biden scandal, Infi?


there is only limited resources and hours in the day. obviously resolving the election fraud is the most pressing issue.
04:31pm 23/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
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40087 posts
you mean "resolving the issue of the alleged election fraud"
05:03pm 23/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24806 posts
05:06pm 23/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27294 posts
You do realise how obvious it is that you've chosen to believe a ridiculous lie because the only other alternative is admitting that you're supporting the anti-democratic leader of the now staunchly anti-democratic party?
05:27pm 23/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21618 posts
Disappointing really.
06:36pm 23/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4285 posts
At least his managed to avoid believing Russian conspiracy theories after they have been comprehensively debunked.
08:22pm 23/11/20 Permalink
trog
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the only way out for infi appears to be to go full conspiracy theory

and you never want to go full conspiracy theory :(
08:29am 24/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
923 posts
The evidence of fraud is there. It's whether the evidence currently public amounts to throwing out tens of thousands of ballots as illegitimate is the question. The other question is what evidence, if any is still to be presented. Not sure if you morons are pretending there was no fraud or not because that's what it looks like and you've not admitted to anything different. Concluding no fraud at this stage is as stupid as concluding massive, multi-million ballot fraud.

If the last 4 years has taught us anything though, it's that you won't actually look at the evidence. You'll instead look at the twitter mood and bandwagon it. I bet you somehow think dumped ballots is not evidence of fraud. Like Mickey Mouse dumped those ballots for no reason.

https://i.imgflip.com/4hoq34.jpg
10:03am 24/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27296 posts
I think it might be time to shut up and f*** off 9/11 truther boy.

edit:
the only way out for infi appears to be to go full conspiracy theory
It may seem that way, but there is also the oops the guy I supported at the start is now trying to destroy US democracy and become a literal dictator so I am no longer able to support him option

Unfortunately he is a mentally weak little daddy's boy. Maybe daddy said he has to like trump no matter what or he'll take away his allowance. In any case truth and acceptance of his own mistakes is obviously way beyond our special little guy and he'll just believe whatever it is he's told to believe. Imagine what trump would have been allowed to get away with if he won a second term. The US was so close to complete and utter disaster. They've managed to improve their condition to almost certainly f***ed with Biden's election. If only the billion dollar loser would move out of the way.
10:55am 24/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6362 posts

Heh its cute they think this is equivalent to the Russian election interference which has a load of evidence.

The right have quite literally lost their minds.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/right-wing-social-media-finalizes-its-divorce-reality/617177/


12:48pm 24/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27297 posts
It's kind of ironic in a way. They believe they're entitled to a scandal against Biden as an equaliser and made one (several) up. Wealth-distribution bad, scandal-distribution good.
01:30pm 24/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4286 posts
Heh its cute they think this is equivalent to the Russian election interference which has a load of evidence.


Not according to the Mueller report.
01:36pm 24/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24807 posts
The right have quite literally lost their minds.


trans men in womens sports,
trans 3yo children,
BLM and defund the police,
doxxing and assaulting people they disagree with,
rioting and looting whenever something doesn't go your way
cancelling people, banning books that don't agree with your world view
calling 71m+++ voters literal nazis
ignoring electoral laws so you get more votes
occupying a city because of hurt feelings, then complaining when emergency services don't attend
advocating that the electoral college should ignore the election results.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnW5-XDWMAUDRGo?format=jpg&name=large

sure guy.

when the legal votes are counted and the President declared that's the end. it's such a basic concept.
01:39pm 24/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27298 posts
Ahhh, one of infi's dumb lists. They sure do get old, but infi isn't capable of anything more.
01:43pm 24/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
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40089 posts
when the legal votes are counted and the President declared that's the end. it's such a basic concept.
is it though? e.g. the end of what? I know you don't mean "the end of fraud allegations" or "the end of me believing that fraud didn't occur"

based on your previous comments you mean "the unfair, illegitimate end of the presidency of DT, interrupted through Democrat and "the lefts" collusion to rig the election before the start of his rightful and pre-ordained second term"

so nah it's not thaaaaat basic a concept

the rest of your list just pales in comparison to the fact that more than one person is dying of COVID every minute in the US because of a totally rudderless administration

all lives matter my ass
02:07pm 24/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24808 posts
public law and order, domestic movement of citizens, and health services delivery are all state issues. So what are you suggesting the US Federal govt should have done? What would Clinton have done differently?

The failures are all states-based. And that is what every left-wing commentator refuses to acknowledge.
02:17pm 24/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27299 posts
I would have started by not flooding the airwaves with dangerous misinformation about a lethal, highly contagious virus. I would have then followed up by not promoting miracle cures and would have engaged in not mocking people for wearing masks and other methods that actually help reduce the spread of the virus. After this I would have refused the credit for beating COVID-19 (note: a thing that isn't even close to happening yet), because if the deaths are not my responsibility, and if a national response is not my responsibility then how can any successes be to my credit?

A federally devised and implemented strategy of delivering the best education and resources possible and a national contact tracing and testing scheme is all it would have taken, but he wasn't even able to deliver on that basic concept.
02:56pm 24/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21619 posts
It's over peeps, the transition has begun. Silly court cases flying out the window, quite specifically Pennsylvania and Georgia are gone so any other state is irrelevant.

Still waiting on that evidence tho.
07:11pm 24/11/20 Permalink
Nmag
Sydney, New South Wales
1365 posts
So Trump should have been more authoritarian. Dear state Governors of flag waving freedom'ers, please close your borders. and contain your outbreaks. Signed Donald.

Did a meme tell you that it's lethal?
09:01pm 24/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27300 posts
^ quite possibly the biggest strawman ever.

Did a meme tell you that it's lethal?
what
09:09pm 24/11/20 Permalink
trog
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So what are you suggesting the US Federal govt should have done?
as I said when this started, if they didn't want to be responsible, they should have shut the f*** up, thrown their hands up in the air, and gotten out of the way, if they thought it was just a states issue. (it's obviously not just a states issue)

but the administration did the exact polar opposite of this - lied, dissembled, tried to evade responsibility and then in the same breath trying to take credit for everything that they did

you want to talk about what they should have done by totally ignoring all the stuff that they /did/ actually do

states have some share of the blame but it was massively, incredibly, hugely exacerbated by the moron in chief. too much of the state's share of blame comes from the fact that some significant group of their citizens paid attention to the sheer noise being thrown down at any opportunity by the federal government

like any state had an even remote chance with even some small percentage of idiots running around with no masks denying it was a problem and calling it a hoax etc - let alone the vast numbers that actually did, parroting the attitudes that they saw coming down from on high from the administration

if he'd literally shut up and gone golfing for the last 9 months it would have been staggeringly less damaging than what he did do

there is a laundry list of just totally obvious things the federal govt could have done, beginning with simply shutting down movement of plague carriers into the country sooner and more effectively (e.g., not exempting citizens), or at the very least providing emergency federal support for quarantine and testing of returning citizens. CDC could have been empowered to step up and manage instead of treated like a liability and political football. federal funding programmes like PPP and the other one for citizens could have been better planned and executed (was a s****how that accomplished nothing other than corporate welfare to the tune of a trillion federal dollars)

meanwhile deaths are up 80% from last month and hospitalisations over 100%. it's still going up. still nothing is going on to stop it.

history is going to look back on this period and those that were like "yes well maybe coronavirus is bad but at least it's not Hillary" and wonder what the actual f*** was going on in the heads of people

edit: thinking further, if we start with the premise that the US federal govt is limited by Constitution in such a way that it is legit incapable by design of preventing a plague from ravaging the country, then I would suggest that system of govt is broken by design
10:27am 25/11/20 Permalink
Nmag
Sydney, New South Wales
1366 posts
A virus that's estimated to have nearly 30% of carriers asymptomatic is "lethal".

Are you more impressed with Scomo's handling of Covid? S*** he managed it well. Nothing to do with states / territories eh.

You likely got QLD State Covid communications and dribs of national news memes and social media regarding AU, UK, USA and NZ from your echo chamber sources.

Near 1/2 the nation hate Trump but he somehow influences these people when he talks/tweets his s***... and who echos and bounces that s*** around? the TDS crowd. You guys actually created the menace that he was by consuming the excessive irrelevant garbage these d******* journalists and their machine are providing.
08:51pm 25/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4287 posts
It's over peeps, the transition has begun.


Yeah it's a done deal. Short of something unbelievable Trump's boned.

there is a laundry list of just totally obvious things the federal govt could have done, beginning with simply shutting down movement of plague carriers into the country sooner and more effectively (e.g., not exempting citizens)


Jesus h Christ. Don't allow citizens to return home. The criticism of "fascist" Trump is that he wouldn't strip citizens of an absolutely fundamental right. Hillary definitely would have done that. Turns out the vaccine is just her pissing in your eyes while sniffing Andrew Cuomo's fingers after he's banged your wife.

Look forward to a lengthy post about Australian universities paying cash rewards to international students to subvert Australia's quarantine effort.

edit: thinking further, if we start with the premise that the US federal govt is limited by Constitution in such a way that it is legit incapable by design of preventing a plague from ravaging the country, then I would suggest that system of govt is broken by design


Yeah and you'd be fundamentally wrong. Constitution doesn't allow citizens to be stranded in a foreign country by decree of the president is a totally serious well thought out criticism.
08:52pm 25/11/20 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
24809 posts
it's obviously not just a states issue)


yes, it is. Same as in Australia. The National Cabinet in Australia operated by states' consent - and each state implemented outcomes differently - as you would be well aware. The US is not a small country or an autrocracy, so it also requires cooperation of the federation of states. Don't worry every journalist I have read is ignorant to this legal fact.

but the administration did the exact polar opposite of this - lied, dissembled, tried to evade responsibility and then in the same breath trying to take credit for everything that they did


are you referring to Fauci or Trump - did Fauci recommend for or against masks? Just remind me? Which one is the doctor?

states have some share of the blame but it was massively, incredibly, hugely exacerbated by the moron in chief.


some being about 95%. states control law and order, the movement of their people, and the delivery of health services.

like any state had an even remote chance with even some small percentage of idiots running around with no masks denying it was a problem and calling it a hoax etc - let alone the vast numbers that actually did, parroting the attitudes that they saw coming down from on high from the administration


even mainstream factcheckers admit trump did not call covid a hoax. Fauci was the one who said don't wear masks.

beginning with simply shutting down movement of plague carriers into the country sooner and more effectively (e.g., not exempting citizens)


Trump shut down flights from china in Feb much to the resistance from Democrats. Govt literally cannot prevent citizens from returning home - they can be subject to quarantine.

You seem to struggle with understanding the American culture which is bizarre because you have lived there. Americans don't trust their govt, they don't listen to their government and they have a constitutional structure which in most states keeps them largely free from govt day to day management of their lives. They also have constitutional rules which prevent states from shutting their borders.

To be blunt, attributing the US covid situation to Trump is just plain retarded. Contract tracing is done with small outbreak situations. Don't be so naive and get a little perspective on the situation.

Speaking of hypocrisy
- New York - Governor Cuomo says don't spend Thanksgiving with family. Wear a facemask when getting a haircut. Cuomo is having Thanksgiving with his family, and his brother got a haircut without a facemask (as did Nancy Pelosi).
- California - Governor Newsome says don't go to restaurants unless outdoors - he goes to an indoor restaurant.

Isn't the brazen hypocrisy of these moralising lecturers just a little grating?
10:26am 26/11/20 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
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40091 posts
so yes, the US federal government is incapable by design of preventing a plague? there's literally nothing they can do in this situation and states just have to deal with it? edit: and then the federal government has to shoulder the costs of trying to recover it?

I can't be assed shooting down the rest of your dumb points for the nth time or watching your sad, desperate attempts to once again try to change the topic by making it into a which party has the bigger hypocrites competition, but if we can just cut to the chase on that issue that would be great
10:46am 26/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
924 posts
I can't be assed shooting down the rest of your dumb points for the nth time


Just like everyone else can't be assed asking you for the nth time what, precisely as a matter of Fed Govt policy, should have been done different. Like the intellectually stunted people in Antifa and BLM, you bang about things with your solution to your whining either being a) nothing or b) a f*****g communist dictatorship. You aren't a serious person and no one takes you as one either.

Yeah it's a done deal. Short of something unbelievable Trump's boned.


The hallmark of the right over the past half-century is the willingness to concede early and play fair in the face of riots, shootings, assaults, censorship, you name it. I don't know why considering the opposition are half-baked people like fpot. They wouldn't stand a chance against a right that had just a modicum of spinal integrity.
01:36pm 26/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27301 posts
Look out, the sad little incel boy who thinks 9/11 was an inside job doesn't think you're a serious person.
07:42pm 26/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4288 posts
I don't see a realistic shot at overturning 3 elections based on what has been presented so far.

It's not impossible but it's close. He might get Pennsylvania, but he also needs GA and AZ.
06:40am 27/11/20 Permalink
trog
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OK I feel bad that I didn't reply because it's rare that you actually reply to more than one line in one of my long diatribes so even though you missed the more substantial parts of what I wrote I'll have a crack.

yes, it is. Same as in Australia. The National Cabinet in Australia operated by states' consent - and each state implemented outcomes differently - as you would be well aware. The US is not a small country or an autrocracy, so it also requires cooperation of the federation of states. Don't worry every journalist I have read is ignorant to this legal fact.
maybe the journalists are too busy exploring the cognitive dissonance of people who claim the US federal government has no power and couldn't have done anything anyway and then go on to make a laundry list of all trump's many great successes in dealing with the quarantine?!

fwiw in Obama's much-mentioned pandemic plan that was allegedly provided to the administration, it mentions the following federal agencies as being critical as part of the pandemic response: Dept of State, USAID, HHS, CDC, NIH, FDA, OASH (Office of the Assistance Secretary for Health), HHS Office of Global Affairs, DOD, USDA, DHS, DOT, and others).

I am confident all of these agencies have had some involvement in dealing with the pandemic to date in at least some capacity, although whether it was done in a coordinated manner as devised by whatever working group put together "Obama's plan" (or any of the other no doubt zillion pandemic plans that have existed prior to this) I don't know. but it seems unlikely.

so when you ask "what are you suggesting the US Federal govt should have done?", I think about the sheer, staggering might of the US federal government across its many varied agencies (you know, the might that your ilk try to fight at every opportunity - often for good reasons many of which I agree with, but the fact is it is there). I think about the fact that when I was a US taxpayer, the biggest part of my paycheck went to the federal government. I think about the fact that the federal government is solely responsible for border security and it has been a never-ending painful topic of discussion forever and that the biggest risk in a pandemic is travellers bringing more pathogens into the country.

are you referring to Fauci or Trump - did Fauci recommend for or against masks? Just remind me? Which one is the doctor?
again weird inexplicable Fauci hate outta nowhere. I'm still largely in news avoidance mode but is there some new campaign against this guy I'm not aware of?!

but I'm not going to comment on this, it's just evasion to try to change the subject from trump being a serial liar and having made a total mess of coronavirus by lying about it and dismissing the risk continuously. there is just no defence against this other than trying to change the subject
even mainstream factcheckers admit trump did not call covid a hoax. Fauci was the one who said don't wear masks.
this is a strawman and not what I said, see above comment about ignoring

Trump shut down flights from china in Feb much to the resistance from Democrats.
so... he can do things? but it's the democrats fault somehow (even though he did things)

so Govt literally cannot prevent citizens from returning home - they can be subject to quarantine.
the federal government is the only entity that can make decisions about things crossing its borders, which is why it's ultimately responsible. even trump actively considered a proposal to temporarily block citizens returning home - i.e., even if it's something they "literally cannot prevent" (provably false, see 9/11 and the shutdown of all air traffic), they can just pass a new law.

anyway it was just an example - even if it was "literally" impossible (it wasn't) they could have at least provided federal support for forced quarantine
You seem to struggle with understanding the American culture which is bizarre because you have lived there. Americans don't trust their govt, they don't listen to their government and they have a constitutional structure which in most states keeps them largely free from govt day to day management of their lives.
yeh I also think it's weird how I've lived in the US for 7% of my life, have American family and friends, lived in that famous democrat bastion *checks notes* Ohio and somehow I'm the one that struggles to understand America?! I dunno what it would take for my experience to

To be blunt, attributing the US covid situation to Trump is just plain retarded. Contract tracing is done with small outbreak situations. Don't be so naive and get a little perspective on the situation.
you must be upset because I don't recall you ever abusing anyone here before!!
Isn't the brazen hypocrisy of these moralising lecturers just a little grating?
hypocrisy is often terrible and I too hate it when politicians tell us to do one thing and then do the other. if a green politician got up and told me to be worried about the environment but then I found out they commute alone in a diesel 4wd I would be the first person to click the little sad or angry face on a facebook post to register my discontent.

but it is also hypocritical to point out moments of hypocrisy amongst [insert your favorite team here] and then ignore it when it happens in [insert name of team you don't like here]. if you want to have a hypocrisy-off between, say, dems and republicans, you'd have to start with the "there's always a tweet" captain of the universe who, to his credit has never (afaik) deleted one of his mega-hypocritical tweets of the last decade (tho to be fair maybe he doesn't know how).

(a hypocrite sounds like it would be a fun web game to make - a little tracker for each event that occurs and a panel of people can rate its hypocrisy and then at the end of each month everyone can compare scores)

again, ignoring all this bulls*** I just wrote - let's stipulate that the US federal government can do nothing. unless I'm missing something, this implies that the US is completely and utterly defenceless against pandemics, by the design of their system of government. we can see the costs of that failure of design - 200k+ dead, rate of infection + death increasing. they're nowhere near the worst part yet; some hospital systems are starting to get overwhelmed which will be a big problem. they've just had thanksgiving.

if that is the case, then my position is simple: the US system of government is defective by design if it cannot protect its citizens from a deadly pandemic.
08:45am 27/11/20 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
4289 posts
maybe the journalists are too busy exploring the cognitive dissonance of people who claim the US federal government has no power and couldn't have done anything anyway and then go on to make a laundry list of all trump's many great successes in dealing with the quarantine?!


Yeah perhaps a slightly more accurate statement might be that journalists (and apparently people who read their work) are busy constructing false dichotomies in which the federal government can either do everything or nothing and the basic tenant of federalism that states and the feds need to work in concert is ignored (in this case when Trump suggested limiting travel in and out of New York Cuomo refused, and seeded the rest of the country). Or as is more likely the case they just don't know because they weren't taught ultra basic civics.

So did Obama's plan detail which of all those federal agencies has the legal authority to refuse citizens into their own country? Reckon it's a nice round number.
09:16am 27/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6363 posts


Well thats enough cringe to last the rest of the year
09:43pm 27/11/20 Permalink
Sir Redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
2372 posts

Spending 3 million of MAGA bux to get Joe Biden 132 extra votes, this is the end of a presidency that just keeps giving.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/27/president-elect-biden-gains-votes-in-wisconsin-county-recount/


03:35pm 28/11/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27302 posts
It's almost as though he likes to keep on losing. But we know that's not the case and he's just dumb as s*** so...
12:03am 29/11/20 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21620 posts
Just waiting on the mountains of evidence of the "obvious voter fraud" bros

Thousands of affidavits!!!!!
09:12am 29/11/20 Permalink
Vash
6364 posts
Fake twitter trends, fake judges, etc etc.
Waken up yet Infi?
03:29pm 29/11/20 Permalink
dazedandconfused
Sydney, New South Wales
925 posts
Just waiting on the mountains of evidence of the "obvious voter fraud" bros

Thousands of affidavits!!!!!
Just because you refuse to read it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
12:10pm 01/12/20 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
27303 posts
*things seem a bit iffy*

Hard hitting evidence, bro.
12:40pm 01/12/20 Permalink
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