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Habits you don't miss
anonymousxvi
Brisbane, Queensland
33 posts
Hi everyone just thought it would be a fun exercise to list habits you dohn't miss

Drinking alcohol

I can now say im alcohol free and I feel much better for it.

Now its your turn.
05:38pm 06/11/17 Permalink
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05:38pm 06/11/17 Permalink
Taipan
USA
5014 posts
After 32 years I have been off the smokes since the 4th of may 2016.

I took up boxing which was what gave me the final push to get off them.
06:00pm 06/11/17 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
2846 posts
I don't miss smoking either. But haven't smoked for quite a while now. Over a decade I should think.
06:12pm 06/11/17 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
12930 posts
playing too much Starcraft still,
time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Oscar Wilde

I can now say im alcohol free and I feel much better for it.

How do you know that if you dont Drink ?
Looking to take a healthy Liver with you to Heaven ?

Life is too short to not enjoy Vices.
08:10pm 06/11/17 Permalink
Vash
5582 posts
Some people have genes that makes Alcohol much more addictive & harmful to them mentally. Others can drink for years and never have a problem. Though depends on quantity too.
10:34pm 06/11/17 Permalink
notgreazy
Other International
856 posts
Some people have genes that makes Alcohol much more addictive & harmful to them mentally. Others can drink for years and never have a problem. Though depends on quantity too.

abusing people on the internet because i think it's cool

from time to time the monster comes out, but i try to think why this person posted this particular comment, in this particular thread, on this particular day. Maybe they're having a horrible week, or they are lonely and want attention. Who knows. We are all human. We should respect each other.
11:22am 07/11/17 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
23939 posts
Made a lot of big changes to my diet recently, but one thing I don't miss is caffeine/coke. Was drinking a few litres a day of coke zero or pepsi max and then had to cut it out entirely before some surgery a few months back then I never picked it back up again. Was pretty awful for the first week from withdrawals, but now I don't miss it at all, and feel generally a lot better without it.
12:30pm 07/11/17 Permalink
notgreazy
Other International
857 posts
honest question: how do you wake up in the morning? I suffer without my coffee hit.
12:55pm 07/11/17 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
9316 posts
a few litres a day of coke zero or pepsi max and then had to cut it out entirely before some surgery


Good lord, that's a lot of crap drink. Was your surgery for kidney stones or something else likely related to poor liquid intake?

02:20pm 07/11/17 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
23940 posts
honest question: how do you wake up in the morning? I suffer without my coffee hit.


Yeah, see thats what I thought would be hard too, but its only hard to get going in the morning most likely because your body is needing that caffeine hit. Once I got the caffeine out my system, I've found, I don't actually need to rely on it anymore. I sleep better and I wake up feeling better. I mean the first few weeks were f*****g awful, but after that, I don't find I'm needing it at all. I occasionally have an iced coffee maybe mid afternoon if I need a pick me up, but only very occasionally, and because its only very occasionally it ends up being far more effective than when I was slamming down caffeine all day in the past

Good lord, that's a lot of crap drink. Was your surgery for kidney stones or something else likely related to poor liquid intake?


Nah, it wasn't anything like that, I drank a fair bit of water in amongst that too, wasn't living purely on coke :)
02:22pm 07/11/17 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
12931 posts
Diet Coke Pepsi Max Coke Zero are 99% water
Its harmless.
Obviously caffeine can cause problems but you'd need to be drinking a lot.
Perhaps you were drinking the Coke to mask an underlying issue ?

I dont Believe Genes have anything to do with Alcoholism.
Drug Abuse is a personal choice like choosing to be an A******.
04:23pm 07/11/17 Permalink
thug
Brisbane, Queensland
271 posts
i pretty much gave up coke and all soft drink, ain't no body messin with my coffee tho,
04:56pm 07/11/17 Permalink
Vash
5583 posts


I dont Believe Genes have anything to do with Alcoholism.
Drug Abuse is a personal choice like choosing to be an A******.
https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/familyhistory/famhist.htm

Many scientific studies, including research conducted among twins and children of alcoholics, have shown that genetic factors influence alcoholism. These findings show that children of alcoholics are about four times more likely than the general population to develop alcohol problems. Children of alcoholics also have a higher risk for many other behavioral and emotional problems. But alcoholism is not determined only by the genes you inherit from your parents. In fact, more than one–half of all children of alcoholics do not become alcoholic. Research shows that many factors influence your risk of developing alcoholism. Some factors raise the risk while others lower it.


Genes do have a part to play.
05:15pm 07/11/17 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
4097 posts
Haven't smoked for 17 years. Had some bad eating habits which I don't miss.
06:26pm 07/11/17 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
12933 posts
didnt see any Genes in there Vash
Sounds like another "I Believe in..." style of science.

Addictions are a choice.

07:56pm 07/11/17 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
11703 posts
Don't smoke, hardly drink (1 std drink per week on avg), don't drink coffee.

So my bad habit is being a judgemental gossip
09:28pm 07/11/17 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
7736 posts
Bit my nails until I was like 20. After the first day of my mechanic apprenticeship I never bit them again. Haven't touched tools since like 2012 but the aversion stuck.
09:46pm 07/11/17 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
9317 posts
Diet Coke Pepsi Max Coke Zero are 99% water
Its harmless.


Sounds perfectly harmless to me.

Carbonated Water, Colour (Caramel-E150d), Sweeteners (Aspartame, Acesulfame K), Phosphoric Acid, Flavourings (Including Caffeine), Preservative (Potassium Sorbate), Citric Acid. Contains a source of Phenylalanine.


12:16pm 08/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40850 posts
alcohol is a habit i need to break.

just off 5 weeks off drinking, but have gone back in an attempt at moderation.

never seems to work :(
01:49pm 08/11/17 Permalink
anonymousxvi
Brisbane, Queensland
34 posts
keep trying spook
12:43pm 09/11/17 Permalink
Taipan
USA
5015 posts
Made a lot of big changes to my diet recently, but one thing I don't miss is caffeine/coke. Was drinking a few litres a day of coke zero or pepsi max and then had to cut it out entirely before some surgery a few months back then I never picked it back up again. Was pretty awful for the first week from withdrawals, but now I don't miss it at all, and feel generally a lot better without it.


Dropping as much sugar out of your diet as you can is always going to be a good thing. I stopped drinking any kind of soft drink 2 years ago this month, I lost 7kgs in about 6 weeks from that one change alone. I had a sip of a coke about 6 months after I stopped and it actually tasted frigging horrible and I was actually pretty happy that it did, I have no desire to pick it up again.
12:50pm 09/11/17 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21397 posts
Spook getting drunk and posting bad music on FB
01:43pm 09/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40853 posts
thats just mean :(
03:00pm 09/11/17 Permalink
anonymousxvi
Brisbane, Queensland
36 posts
paveway give him some support instead of putting him down hes trying to change his habits :)

cheers if you really are trying spook :)
03:04pm 09/11/17 Permalink
anonymousxvi
Brisbane, Queensland
38 posts
I'm close to giving up smoking. :)

Work to better yourselves people :)

Props to all the people doing that :)

Many smiles :) :) :)
05:12am 10/11/17 Permalink
Taipan
USA
5016 posts
thats just mean :(


How old are you mate? Im just curious because I used to put away a f*** ton of booze and frankly I could deal with it pretty easy, well easy until I hit about 32/33. I got to a point where itd take me half a week to recover from hitting it on something like a Saturday night. I just couldn't do it any more, it was making everything hard and I simply had to stop. Mind you there was one incident that gave me the push, I put away a bottle and a half of Jameson's in about 2 and a half hours and I swear it damn near killed me. The entire night was pretty much a total blackout and the next few days were horrendous. I stopped drinking for 12 years after that occurrence with the exception of a few drinks on a flight from Brissy to LA. I do drink now but only lite beer and I only ever have made a max of 4 or 5 in a night. I don't miss it and its made easier by the memory of how f***ed it was back when I used to hit it pretty hard.

I am aware that I have a very addictive personality and I have been aware of it since I was a teenager so thankfully I had enough fear of that side of myself never to get into anything else. It sounds kind of dumb but I feel lucky that booze and smokes were my thing and I was able to eventually shake them both off.

Good luck to ya mate
06:47am 10/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40855 posts
im 44.

yer, my problem with booze is that i literally get no hangovers at all. got young kids though and i dont want them to see their dad drinking excessively, plus its bad for my weight.

id prefer it if i did get hangovers because then there mite be more consequences.

just need to work out how to do moderation.
07:09am 10/11/17 Permalink
anonymousxvi
Brisbane, Queensland
39 posts
Please try and Moderate spook :D
07:16am 10/11/17 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21399 posts
paveway give him some support instead of putting him down hes trying to change his habits :)


you have 36 posts

piss off

yer, my problem with booze is that i literally get no hangovers at all.


to be fair, you have 5 beers and black out.

that is probably why
08:36am 10/11/17 Permalink
notgreazy
Other International
858 posts
im 44.

yer, my problem with booze is that i literally get no hangovers at all. got young kids though and i dont want them to see their dad drinking excessively, plus its bad for my weight.

id prefer it if i did get hangovers because then there mite be more consequences.

just need to work out how to do moderation.

buy expensive micro brew, become a connoisseur of beer who uses words such as "Cuvée", "Palate" and "Trocken". You'll be that cool dad only drinks top stuff.

If money won't influence your drinking, then you're an alcho.
10:03am 10/11/17 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
18484 posts
Smoking pot. I used to smoke it daily, or close to it, for several years. Even though I haven't had any for close to two years now, I know with certainty that if I had it immediately available I would smoke a small amount daily and probably slowly increasing the dosage overtime until I ran out.
However I have zero urge to actually go out of my way to get any, it's only if it is already there.

Ok, I lie, I miss it a little..


I used to refrain from sharing any of my inner experiences, only really shared superficial stuff. Occasionally I would let something slip.
Now I can manage to share a little bit, for a short time. Then I recoil and tend to shut down for quite some time afterwards.
It's easier to do anonymously, however that also takes its toll.


Staying up way too late and then not getting enough sleep and repeating this for weeks on end, caused havoc with my already high tendency to dissociate. Now I only do it for a couple days at a time and try to have an absolute cut off of 12:00am. I rarely sleep past 7:30am regardless of how much sleep I need.

There are probably more that I've forgotten about and will remember later.

11:46am 10/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40856 posts
If money won't influence your drinking, then you're an alcho.


yer brah, im an alco. even buying the cheap stuff adds up when you do it regularly enough though. (its another reason i should stop)
12:10pm 10/11/17 Permalink
anonymousxvi
Brisbane, Queensland
40 posts
Pot is one of the worst drugs ever get off that s*** tollazor its bad news :D
01:43pm 10/11/17 Permalink
Zenmaster
Queensland
39 posts
yer brah, im an alco. even buying the cheap stuff adds up when you do it regularly enough though. (its another reason i should stop)


I hope it didn't cost you your family dude.
07:00pm 10/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40857 posts
Nah, they are good reason for me to keep it together
08:25am 11/11/17 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
23827 posts
to be fair, you have 5 beers and black out.


ssssh pave don't ruin the no hangover image
07:15pm 11/11/17 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
18487 posts

Pot is one of the worst drugs ever get off that s*** tollazor its bad news :D


I did, about 10 years ago, had a little bit every now and then. I'd still smoke myself stupid if it was in the house, probably on account of not really being able to feel emotions/empathy very well, it helps fill that void up for a little while, at first anyway, then it just makes it worse.

08:18pm 11/11/17 Permalink
Taipan
USA
5017 posts
im 44.

yer, my problem with booze is that i literally get no hangovers at all. got young kids though and i dont want them to see their dad drinking excessively, plus its bad for my weight.

id prefer it if i did get hangovers because then there mite be more consequences.

just need to work out how to do moderation.



You a beer guy, Wine, spirits or all?

My biggest issue before it got to much for me was the speed at which I could knock them back. I could absolutely smash a bottle of Bundy in no time and pretty much show no effects from it to others. That all came to a screaming halt as I mention in the other posts. It damn near felt like it happened over night, I simply had to slow down or stop because even today I just drink way to fast for what my body can handle. I guess I just got old lol

(edit) Do you listen to Bill Burr's podcast? Because you kind of sound a little like him, he isn't an out of control drinker, but when he drinks he drinks.
07:19pm 12/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40859 posts
heh, yer i purposely dont drink spirits coz they write me off too quick.

im a wine/beer guy!
07:20pm 12/11/17 Permalink
Mass
Brisbane, Queensland
1683 posts
Just had the last month off the booze..... I'm a regular drinker but never really to excess. Was good to get out of the habit of having a drink when I got home from work. Couldn't tell you if I feel any better for it, pretty sure my liver would say yes.
02:46pm 13/11/17 Permalink
BOOST
Brisbane, Queensland
775 posts
I stumbled upon a post on reddit the other day about a medication called Naltrexone that people are using to help them get off booze. There is a subreddit here where people discuss it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Alcoholism_Medication/

On the side bar you can see the "Sinclair method". It sounds interesting... retraining your brain to not enjoy alcohol over time. Been meaning to look into it further.
09:12pm 13/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40862 posts
i use campral. it works for me in that it kills the desire for booze.

has side effects that i dont like though. a general fuzziness creeps into your mind. after taking it for a month or so, you get to the end of the day and the start of the day seems a million miles away. get a bit forgetful and stuff. no good for my job.

it also kills the ability to have fun which i dont like either.

lately i have been reading a variety of books on the subject aw well. some were great
"a happier hour" - rebecca weller (although female focused and this poor bird suffered horribly the next day after drinking, so i identified with some of her issues, but not all, still got a lot from it)

"memoirs of an addicted mind" - marc lewis. This book was great, mainly about the brain chemistry of addiction (for marcs case it was mainly to drugs). was very interesting to read of some of his behaviours and the reasons why his brain operated in this way (which i could identify with). was also nice to read that my problems are minor in the overall scheme of things, he was dealing with real big issues.

last edited by Spook at 07:14:13 14/Nov/17
07:07am 14/11/17 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
9319 posts
Check out the below pod cast for an insight into a chronic alcoholic:

https://www.acast.com/addicted/ashbradnampt1

09:41am 14/11/17 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
3288 posts
Seriously this thread is a typical sample of mental health stigma and lack of awareness. When it comes to coding or engineering 'nah lets listen to the experts I don't know much about that', but crippling alcohol addictions? yeah nah mate heres a f*****g subreddit linking to an experimental drug
12:16pm 14/11/17 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21402 posts
01:11pm 14/11/17 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
3291 posts
lol quality post
01:43pm 14/11/17 Permalink
Insom
Brisbane, Queensland
4634 posts
When it comes to coding or engineering 'nah lets listen to the experts I don't know much about that'

not necessarily true, people give each other half-assed advice on stackoverflow all the time
07:58pm 14/11/17 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
11709 posts
Seriously, my utmost empathy for you all who have habits that are harder to walk away from than you'd like.

I just simply don't find alcohol or pot or coffee or ciggies interesting enough to be anything but apathetic about them. I will usually buy a carton of beer at the start of the year and have difficulty with the last of it going off in october or november.

Probably sugar (chocolate/icecream) is my biggest issue. BMI is fine, fitness is good, but I think I should get my energy from some less crappy sources.
11:26pm 14/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40863 posts
sugar?

ewwwwwwwwww
06:52am 15/11/17 Permalink
BOOST
Brisbane, Queensland
776 posts
Seriously this thread is a typical sample of mental health stigma and lack of awareness. When it comes to coding or engineering 'nah lets listen to the experts I don't know much about that', but crippling alcohol addictions? yeah nah mate heres a f***ing subreddit linking to an experimental drug


Calm down champ. I linked to the subreddit not as advice but to add to the discussion. I am interested in cutting back myself and wanted to see if others had tried a medicinal approach (which spook kindly added his experiences).

I don't believe we're talking about crippling alcohol addictions tbh.

And that is not a experimental drug.

As a software developer I don't recall ever only listening to "experts".

But please continue to enlighten us all.
08:40pm 16/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40867 posts
yer, i found boost's stuff interesting.

lead me to this, which was interesting and got me some more stuff to read:

https://luxury.rehabs.com/campral-acomprosate/vs-naltrexone/
08:44pm 16/11/17 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21409 posts
don't stop a good triggering
09:15am 17/11/17 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
16821 posts
not necessarily true, people give each other half-assed advice on stackoverflow all the time

At least they have a voting system so that deranged advice can get knocked on the head.
12:21pm 17/11/17 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
18489 posts
The use of Naltrexone to help with alcohol dependence would likely be useful (if it ends up being useful) to those who have a chronic history of PTSD like symptoms. Stuff like derealisation/depersonalisation, hypervigilence, chronic anxiety, anhedonia, avoidance, denial, etc.

It would likely be a low-dose medication used at least daily, preferably in a long-release dosage form.
The approach would be an attempt to shift a hypothesised chronic state of heavily down-regulated opioid receptors as measured by a low receptor densities. This abnormal receptor state is due to a long term recurring stimulation of the opioid system due to biological and psychological factors. Likely an attempt to mitigate recurring emotional (and physical) pain, particularly those occurring during the developmental years.
This abnormal state would cause this biological mitigation attempt to produce more and more endogenous opiods in order to stimulate the receptors enough to reduce the pain to tolerable levels. This in turn causes downward pressure on the opioid receptors, creating a chronic cyclic state. As each receptor type has different properties and biological outcomes, not all receptors down/up regulate equally. So as the concentration of endogenous opioids in the system increases (in order to get the desired response from low-density receptors) various opiate-like side effects begin to emerge, such as the dissociatve symptoms mentioned above.

Behavioual outcomes from a chronically overstimulated and poorly responsive opiate system may include self-medication in order to reduce the emotional/physical pain (consciously perceived or not), as these medications/drugs (whatever you want to call them) can help reduce the pain that the opioid system can't seem handle enough.

A potential problem with a chronically activated opioid system like that discussed above is that the dissociatve type symptoms, the avoident behaviours, the self-medication behaviours, etc significantly interfere with any attempts to address the underlying issues leading to a chronically stimulated state.

And this is where Naltrexone comes into play. By blockading the opioid receptors with naltrexone, the so the animal studies show, the biological feedback mechanisms that down-regulate these receptors doesn't get activated, nor does blocked receptors biological function get activated. The receptors instead start to become upregulated, which over time will allow for a lesser amount of endogenous opiod required to active the receptors, allowing for a more 'normal' biological response to pain and with effective treatment may help the sufferer learn healthy management stratagies that they never had a chance to learn prior to this chronic hyperactivated state.

This may, in turn, result that previous behaviours that facilitated the opioid receptors function will no longer be useful to avoid the emotional pain, some of the associated systems such as dissociation, those that facilitate avoidance and denial will be less effective.
In other words, the pain will become harder to ignore and manage by previously learned maladaptive strategies.
This opens up the potential to use therapy to address the underlying issues without automatic, defensive maladpative behaviours causing significant interference. They will still be a problem, but less so, enough to perhaps make previously ineffective therapy, effective.

For some though, they will increase their reliance on outside sources to mitigate this pain and it may make their addictions worse, their avoidance worse, etc.

That's the idea anyway, as I understand it at least.

last edited by Tollaz0r! at 12:54:08 17/Nov/17
12:50pm 17/11/17 Permalink
taggs
6530 posts
f*** that's heavy toll, I need a drink
05:59pm 17/11/17 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
11714 posts
That was excellent Toll. Thanks for that, I learnt a lot.
10:45pm 17/11/17 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
39325 posts
The thing that made me stop drinking the most in the last few years was basically not working (and thus having basically no income) for ~18 months, so I simply stopped spending money on alcohol. Even though I was in the US where it was super cheap it made a huge difference to my weekly spend. I still drank but just nowhere near as regularly. I lost 8-9 kilos too (though that was mostly because I was playing football 3-4 times a week that whole time) and eating really carefully & cheaply as well.
12:05am 18/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40870 posts
yup, weight loss is a major driver for me wanting to stop as well.
07:01am 18/11/17 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
3294 posts
lol k I'm wrong. enjoy your mental health fellas
11:52pm 18/11/17 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
2853 posts
lol k I'm wrong. enjoy your mental health fellas


How does that make you feel phooks?
10:28am 19/11/17 Permalink
trillion
Ballarat, Victoria
4331 posts
alcohol is a filthy

if you're going to do dopamine right, seek out your nearest meth dealer, otherwise known as ice or crack to newbs. I have at least 10 in my favorites contact list.

11:14pm 19/11/17 Permalink
Vash
5590 posts
Yeah it amazes me alcohol isn't put in the same basket as hard drugs. It certainly is dangerous enough to be classed as such.
Like how people don't call drinking, 'doing drugs'.
'I dont take drugs, i just drink.'

Perception of drugs is so out of whack due to dumbass conservative anti drug propaganda it's doubtful it'll ever recover. We're gaining some ground with the MAPS program in utilizing psychedelic drugs for medical use. The MDMA PTSD trial is showing truly awesome results.
12:45am 20/11/17 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
11719 posts
Oh yes, the old 'wine is just as bad as heroin' trope.
12:04pm 20/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40875 posts
its probably far worse when you factor in the numbers.
02:59pm 20/11/17 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
39333 posts
From a five second bit of research:
- 2016 deaths in the UK due to "any opiate" were 2,038 (including heroin, methadone, oxy, etc). ref
- 2015 deaths in UK due to alcohol were 8,758. ref

But I don't know how helpful that is. If heroin was legal maybe it would be way safer and there'd be way less deaths, or maybe there'd be way more overdoses and addicts and society would collapse.

What is certain though is that it's hypocritical and silly to pretend alcohol isn't a dangerous drug while keeping other narcotics illegal.
09:59pm 20/11/17 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
26094 posts
Oh yes, the old 'wine is just as bad as heroin' trope.
Is this the bit where someone has to be really nice to you to stop you from being dumb again?
10:01pm 20/11/17 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
11723 posts
If we start talking about life outcomes per 'user' then the stats are completely different. I suspect also the number of people with 'occasional, non-disruptive' heroin use is far rarer per 100 users than that of alcohol.

Plus we all know why the laws are like they are, alcohol has been around for about 8000 years, but heroin 130.

I suspect that we as a society need to start progressing with something similar to the portugal model, perhaps with some lessons learnt on top of that too.
10:46pm 20/11/17 Permalink
Zenmaster
Queensland
40 posts
- time management:


I do and don't miss Time Management.


I wish our younger Australians would get better at logging their work.


still, they're mostly stupid and not "into details" or process


Good work guys - after years reading here, we've nothing to change this
11:02pm 20/11/17 Permalink
Vash
5591 posts
Yep the Portugal model is a success. The Greens held the decriminalisation position for some time, if you're looking for someone to vote for to move towards that.
11:04pm 20/11/17 Permalink
anonymousxvi
Brisbane, Queensland
45 posts
MDMA doesn't fix braincells
02:00am 21/11/17 Permalink
notgreazy
Other International
871 posts
If we start talking about life outcomes per 'user' then the stats are completely different. I suspect also the number of people with 'occasional, non-disruptive' heroin use is far rarer per 100 users than that of alcohol.

Plus we all know why the laws are like they are, alcohol has been around for about 8000 years, but heroin 130.

I suspect that we as a society need to start progressing with something similar to the portugal model, perhaps with some lessons learnt on top of that too.

Yes of course, because heroin. It's a very dangerous drug with extremely high addiction rate. It's not the same as cocaine, which has been consumed by the native south Americans (where it originated) for thousands of years.

Cocaine usage is higher than heroin in Australia. Like 5 times higher.

FYI: I'm not saying either is good for you, but heroin is different and acts differently on the body.
11:45am 21/11/17 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
21412 posts
Posting while on endone

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
01:56pm 21/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40876 posts
lolz, petal is off having her knee surgery today, she should get some nice goodies to bring home!
02:01pm 21/11/17 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
9321 posts
endones for all!
03:20pm 21/11/17 Permalink
anonymousxvi
Brisbane, Queensland
46 posts
Don't mess around with these drugs its dangerous and you could end up mentally ill if your not careful. Opiods have a tendency to cause anxiety you might want something to stop panic attacks i wouldnt recommend antidepressants try saint johns wart just make sure you talk to the doctor before you combine the two otherwise you might have to take antidepressants
07:35pm 21/11/17 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
2860 posts
Is this the bit where someone has to be really nice to you to stop you from being dumb again?
If we start talking about life outcomes per 'user' then the stats are completely different. I suspect also the number of people with 'occasional, non-disruptive' heroin use is far rarer per 100 users than that of alcohol.

Plus we all know why the laws are like they are, alcohol has been around for about 8000 years, but heroin 130.

I suspect that we as a society need to start progressing with something similar to the portugal model, perhaps with some lessons learnt on top of that too.


HAHAHA.
07:46pm 21/11/17 Permalink
anonymousxvi
Brisbane, Queensland
47 posts
I don't want pot decriminalised
11:29pm 21/11/17 Permalink
trillion
Ballarat, Victoria
4332 posts
it all starts with a Panadol from your GP

if pain persists, consult your nearest drug dealer
11:48am 22/11/17 Permalink
anonymousxvi
Brisbane, Queensland
48 posts
haha trillion thats funny but kind of offtopic
this has turned into a humour thread a bit :D
02:06pm 22/11/17 Permalink
Nmag
Sydney, New South Wales
866 posts
Don't mess around with these drugs its dangerous and you could end up mentally ill if your not careful. Opiods have a tendency to cause anxiety you might want something to stop panic attacks i wouldnt recommend antidepressants try saint johns wart just make sure you talk to the doctor before you combine the two otherwise you might have to take antidepressants


I agree. Also diet, exercise, sleep patterns. Try some counselling, long before opting for medicating. Drop caffeine. Review 'coping mechanisms'... pick some healthier ones.
07:56pm 24/11/17 Permalink
trillion
Ballarat, Victoria
4334 posts
opiates are great, just make sure you only ever just smoke them. never inject them. unless you WANT to end up in a morgue

i've had to supervise a dude who liked to shoot up between his toes; apparently because the syringe marks (the gear, meth obviously, reacts badly with certain skin types and causes severe irritations) are less visible that way and also because if he passed out or OD'd and started frothing he'd have needed someone to drag his corpse to the hospital

anyway moral of the story: i think he lived. he was probably well grumpy the next morning when he woke up and realized he'd used all his gear in less than 2 hours and would have to chase his other mate to score again

10:44pm 24/11/17 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
12236 posts
I saw the thread "poem".

I don't miss consuming animal products, I've lived a vegan lifestyle and eaten a plant based diet for a year now. In the past I tried what I thought was "humane" paleo for weight loss and digestive health, and was vegetarian for a few years. But the main thing I don't miss is consuming oil in my diet (olive, coconut, etc.).

Oil is pure fat, very high in calories, and it is addictive. That's why it is in most processed foods. Since I've stopped eating it (just fry food in a bit of water or stock) it is amazing how easy it is to resist junk food and any sort of food addiction. Wake up sheeple!

01:11am 25/11/17 Permalink
taggs
6533 posts
Since I've stopped eating it (just fry food in a bit of water or stock) it is amazing how easy it is to resist junk food and any sort of food addiction.


I think that's called boiling
02:21am 25/11/17 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
39352 posts
Sugar is worse for you than oils and fats; you're almost certainly better off cutting sugar out before those two things
03:21am 25/11/17 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
40887 posts
hahahha taggs!
06:18am 25/11/17 Permalink
Reverend
Gold Coast, Queensland
2138 posts
Well I also don't miss smoking cones I was a hard core smoker that friends couldn't leave any pot near me or it was gone, then hit my 40 birthday and said f*** it thats enough.

As for it being a gateway drug LOLOl if you have to buy your pot through an illegal source you will inevitably see other drugs, just like if you go to the pub to buy a carton of Beer and OMFG there is rum and scotch around you.

Now im 51 and still smoke free
10:53am 25/11/17 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
12237 posts
I think that's called boiling


No it's called steam frying.

02:47pm 25/11/17 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
23954 posts
I thought the whole "fats make you fat" approach to dieting went out in the 80s and 90s. Too much of anything is bad, but cutting fats out entirely isn't healthy either. There's a healthy middle ground between frying everything in oil, and cutting fat out of your diet entirely
08:50pm 25/11/17 Permalink
Vash
5594 posts
What i dont get is, keto which is a diet high in saturated fats, people on this diet have lower cholesterol & body fat.
wtf.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19641727

The present study shows the beneficial effects of a long-term ketogenic diet. It significantly reduced the body weight and body mass index of the patients. Furthermore, it decreased the level of triglycerides, LDL cholesterol and blood glucose, and increased the level of HDL cholesterol. Administering a ketogenic diet for a relatively longer period of time did not produce any significant side effects in the patients. Therefore, the present study confirms that it is safe to use a ketogenic diet for a longer period of time than previously demonstrated.


daily KFC anyone?
09:22pm 25/11/17 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
11727 posts
I thought the whole "fats make you fat" approach to dieting went out in the 80s and 90s.
Judging by the number of products that spruik 99% fat free and the like, i guess not.
09:28pm 25/11/17 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
26106 posts
No it's called steam frying.
I'd be interested to see how those onions look and what their texture is like. My guess is they'd look anaemic as a winter Michael Jackson and their texture would be mushy and terrible.

Just use a little oil for christ's sake it won't kill you@!@!
09:30pm 25/11/17 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
12238 posts
You need fat in your diet, but not from unhealthy processed foods such as oil, and foods that contain it. You can get plenty of healthy fats from whole foods such as avocado, nuts and seeds. There is no fun in cutting oil out of your diet completely, because so much food contains it now. But I've found that not cooking with oil at home means I don't crave those foods so much, and I'm losing weight.
10:32pm 25/11/17 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
12239 posts

Furthermore, information regarding what we should eat as a species is very conflicted, largely in part due to corporate agricultural and food industries that are funding studies that support their business. But it is becoming more clear with time and unbiased research that a plant based diet is the best way of eating for human health and especially longevity, and the doctors and scientists who are promoting that are where I am getting my information from.

https://www.forksoverknives.com/what-to-eat/#why-should-i-avoid-oil-isnt-oil-healthy

We are baffled that certain oils are presented as health foods. Olive oil is not a health food. Neither is coconut, grape seed, flaxseed, or any other oil you've heard you must endeavor to add to your diet because it's good for you. Sure, if you replace some or all of the butter in your diet with vegetable oil, some of your cholesterol numbers may look a little bit better, but that's not at all the same as doing well. Oil is a bad idea because it is highly refined and its nutritional package is inadequate.


The ketogenic diet is an interesting concept and it has certainly helped a lot of people with immune problems. Personally I had issues with eating certain plant foods and my own health, which is why I tried a paleo diet, but for me that has been resolved over time by the massive increase in fiber that is part of a plant based diet. These doctors promoting plant based eating are reversing diet related disease in aging patients on a daily basis.

https://www.forksoverknives.com/category/success-stories/
11:23pm 25/11/17 Permalink
trillion
Ballarat, Victoria
4336 posts
walking, the bus, tennis, swimming, reading, watching the box, collecting premium albeit useless consumer merchandise (consoles, limited edition games, f*****g vinyl figurines, CD's, DVD's, Blu Ray) networking, tech support, telecoms, anything to do with data centres, 3d printing, electronics, R/C


stuff that clutters
10:21pm 27/11/17 Permalink
DirtyApe
Brisbane, Queensland
985 posts
Unnecessary wanking

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mission
Brisbane, Queensland
9322 posts
^ no such thing
02:38pm 28/11/17 Permalink
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