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KostaAndreadis
Melbourne, Victoria
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During a livestream of PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds, PewDiePie uttered ""What a f***ing n*****! Geez! Oh my god! What the f***?" Before seemingly laughing it off as a mere turn of phrase. This comes after the popular streamer found controversy after an anti-Semitic stunt a while back. Although not directly tied to a single incident Firewatch developer Sean Vanaman then took to Twitter to announce that the studio would take action for any videos featuring its game.



Following up with, "I am sick of this child getting more and more chances to make money off of what we make," and "He's worse than a closeted racist: he's a propagator of despicable garbage that does real damage to the culture around this industry."

Turns out that developers and publishers tolerate footage being used by YouTubers and streamers even though technically it's copyright infringement. PewDiePie's Let's Play video for Firewatch had over 5.7 million views as of earlier today. It's since been removed, but due to this story only being hours old it's unclear if its removal was simply a precautionary measure in lieu of a legal request.
11:12am 11/09/17 Permalink
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Steve Farrelly
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I genuinely reckon this guy is a grub
05:52pm 11/09/17 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
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He does sound like a bit of a pillock but it's a bit grubby to use a DMCA hack to take down content you don't like too :D
07:27pm 11/09/17 Permalink
d0mino
Melbourne, Victoria
5470 posts
I gave pewdiepie the benefit of the doubt on that last incident. I actually hadn't heard much of him before that, but since I have watched a few of his videos and found them kinda funny. Seemed like WSJ was geniuinely giving him a hard time.

But this is indefensible. As per the WSJ incident, context is important, and the context here doesn't back him up. He said this with hate and vitriol. He really showed his true colours. RIP in pieces.
09:12pm 11/09/17 Permalink
Hotcakes
Brisbane, Queensland
49 posts
"even though technically it's copyright infringement"
Not even close. What sloppy writing.
10:00am 12/09/17 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
12252 posts
I genuinely reckon this guy is a grub
A rich grub! Who cares, sounds like a developer trying to drum up interest by being a drama queen.
10:23am 12/09/17 Permalink
BladeRunner
Queensland
2769 posts
Storm in a tea cup. He is a bit of an wank but he can say what he likes as far as I'm concerned. The Dev is being a wank too, using DMCA or threatening to do so is pretty weak and poor form.
11:07am 12/09/17 Permalink
Arpey
New South Wales
181 posts
Dev's being a tool for threatening to abuse the DMCA to get unrelated videos removes, Pewdiepie is a tool for not self-censoring to protect his brand. Is it really that hard to not act like an Xbox Live kiddy when you're making money hand over fist?
01:38pm 12/09/17 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
23898 posts
He is a bit of an wank but he can say what he likes as far as I'm concerned.


He can't really though, hes the biggest channel on Youtube, the face of Youtube even you might say. When he pulls s*** like this, it reflects badly on everyone else and has repercussions all the way down the chain. Last time with the jew thing he set off the adpocalypse on Youtube, drove a bunch of companies away from advertising and a tonne of smaller channels suffered pretty heavily because of it. They've started coming back now, but only because Youtube has implemented this AI that is demonitising any videos deemed unsafe to advertise on, which is once again hitting some gaming channels really hard. And just as the dust is starting to settle, hes at it again.

At the end of the day, he ends up getting away with it and probably gets even more people watching his channel, but its everyone else furthur down the line that suffers for it. Having said that, the DMCA thing was bulls*** move too.
02:10pm 12/09/17 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
19137 posts
The Dev is being a wank too, using DMCA or threatening to do so is pretty weak and poor form.


especially when they say on their website that they support monetised lets plays.
03:13pm 12/09/17 Permalink
trog
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"even though technically it's copyright infringement"
Not even close. What sloppy writing.
It's been VERY close and I am not sure if there's been a real decision Nintendo laid some claim to copyright on recorded game videos a while back and other developers have done so too (some based on claims that for e.g. the music in the game was in the video & it was copyrighted).

I am not sure if is technically IS copyright infringement but there have been a bunch of cases where people have claimed that it is. The fact that this Firewatch guy thinks he can use DMCA is a sign that it might generally still be considered copyright infringement by game developers (or he could just be totally ignorant).

In any case I have no problem with this video being taken down but it shouldn't be because of a bulls*** copyright claim, it should be because YouTube don't want it on their network because it is damaging to their brand
05:32pm 12/09/17 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
2750 posts
I am not sure if is technically IS copyright infringement but there have been a bunch of cases where people have claimed that it is


It depends pretty heavily where you bring the claim but in the US a Lets Play video would have a strong claim to being fair use for the purpose of commentary.
06:26pm 12/09/17 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
4053 posts
In any case I have no problem with this video being taken down but it shouldn't be because of a bulls*** copyright claim, it should be because YouTube don't want it on their network because it is damaging to their brand
He never posted the video where he said n***** to Youtube. In fact I'm not even sure if it was live streamed on the Youtube platform or not, could have easily been on Twitch.

As to the DMCA, I think Youtubes policies matter a lot more than copyright law. Youtube will side with the copyright holder in order to protect themselves so just having the copyright holder make a claim is probably enough to get the video taken down and I think Youtube could even do other things like shut the channel down or remove monetization.
06:54pm 12/09/17 Permalink
trog
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He never posted the video where he said n***** to Youtube.
ah ok. well youtube probably shouldn't have much say in it :D
07:23pm 12/09/17 Permalink
Hotcakes
Brisbane, Queensland
50 posts
"Last time with the jew thing he set off the adpocalypse on Youtube"
There really are a lot of easily influenced people that I've seen saying things like this. The reality is that companies don't give a s*** what content their ads are attached to, they just saw a chance to squeeze Google to lower their advertising costs by way of attaching a negative stigma to their brand, but of course it's not in the interests of these gigantic media corporations to sell it to the public in that way, now is it?
https://youtu.be/v0IYzF-zLMw

"It's been VERY close"
"I am not sure if is technically IS copyright infringement"
Then why would you type out a three paragraph reply about something you don't know anything about? What Nintendo and other companies have done is illegal; individual YouTubers simply don't have the finances to take these mega corporations to court over it.

"The fact that this Firewatch guy thinks he can use DMCA is a sign that it might generally still be considered copyright infringement"
No.
https://youtu.be/9eN0CIyF2ok
https://youtu.be/qS-LXvhy1Do
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkdgWccrJAy5G70nKBrGwJchIkL_AzPgD

The fact that he can illegally abuse a non-compliant 'DMCA' system is a sign that YouTubes implementation is broken, has been broken since it's inception and ultimately should be liable for losses/damages.

"Youtube will side with the copyright holder"
YouTube sides by default with anybody who signs up for a copyright holder account and files any claim against any video. All of this can be automated and is misused ALL the time.
10:06am 13/09/17 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
23900 posts
There really are a lot of easily influenced people that I've seen saying things like this. The reality is that companies don't give a s*** what content their ads are attached to, they just saw a chance to squeeze Google to lower their advertising costs by way of attaching a negative stigma to their brand


True, he wasn't the only contributing factor, but he was the spark that lit the thing whole off, gave the advertisers the ammo they needed to take their stance and such. Like how there was many factors contributing to what started WW1, but the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand is often seen as the match that lit the fuse. There was already probably a lot of issues brewing with advertisers and Youtube, but Pewdiepie lit the fuse.
10:58am 13/09/17 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
12255 posts
I've had my videos demonetised (usually dash cam videos) due to something playing in the background on the video. These companies are f*****g a*******s. The worst bit is YouTube usually takes the monetisation from you and gives it over to the rights holder. Its in their best interests to keep pounding YouTube. I've never had a clip removed, received a warning, but I've had them muted or demonitised.
11:48am 13/09/17 Permalink
notgreazy
Other International
802 posts
The DMCA takedown is more interesting than him saying N*****. Also the weird way American's described the incident as "dropping a hard R". Took a little bit of google to workout they mean n***** vs n****. Somehow n**** is less obscene?

The whole thing is silly, but maybe it will become a cornerstone case that will be referred to in future takedowns.
01:17pm 13/09/17 Permalink
Hotcakes
Brisbane, Queensland
51 posts
"he was the spark that lit the thing whole off"
He was the hit piece that brought it to public attention. YouTubes advertising revenue has been under attack since about 2012. It was simply the first attack by Murdoch against Google that actually stuck in a decade.

""dropping a hard R". Took a little bit of google to workout they mean n***** vs n****. Somehow n**** is less obscene? "
Yeah I think it has a lot to do with their unique black culture and their tendency to refer to each other in that overblown way similar to how we affectionately refer to each other as c****.
11:15am 14/09/17 Permalink
notgreazy
Other International
805 posts
Hotcakes, start using the quote button. or look up how to quote using the html quotes tags.
11:56am 14/09/17 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
39180 posts
. The reality is that companies don't give a s*** what content their ads are attached to, they just saw a chance to squeeze Google to lower their advertising costs by way of attaching a negative stigma to their brand, but of course it's not in the interests of these gigantic media corporations to sell it to the public in that way, now is it?
I don't think that's true at all. Ad money is highly contested and large companies are generally pretty fiddly about bad exposure because they get piled on massively by the mob if they continue to support "controversial" things (see: Sleeping Giants).
07:18pm 14/09/17 Permalink
Hotcakes
Brisbane, Queensland
52 posts
"start using the quote button"
Where button? I see a Link button that isn't helpful at all.

"I don't think that's true at all."
*At all*? Then you didn't watch the video. It is well documented.

"Sleeping Giants"
Never heard of them before, but their own two line Google search descriptor profiles them as a hate group similar to the likes of SPLC.
09:58am 15/09/17 Permalink
notgreazy
Other International
806 posts
"start using the quote button"
Where button? I see a Link button that isn't helpful at all.


You have two choices: either hit reply to my (or any post) post to see how quotes work or under the Reply box, bottom right, there should be a B... ah f*** it here is an image:

THIS IS HOW YOU USE QUOTES:

THIS WILL BE QUOTED
https://i.imgur.com/eEsjL5W.png
11:38am 15/09/17 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Other International
39183 posts
Never heard of them before, but their own two line Google search descriptor profiles them as a hate group similar to the likes of SPLC.
broadly, accurate
04:33am 17/09/17 Permalink
Hotcakes
Brisbane, Queensland
54 posts
THIS IS HOW YOU USE QUOTES

I'm just using the comments section underneath the article. It seems like none of that is available to me unless I venture into a forum I've never been. Scary. I can just about manage to type the quote code in though. Seems straight forward enough :p
10:50am 18/09/17 Permalink
notgreazy
Other International
808 posts
heyyyy you got em working, nice job welcome to HTML.

What url are you using to access the site? ... are you on qgl? holy s*** that's awesome.
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Hotcakes
Brisbane, Queensland
56 posts
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