So I'm sure everyone who reads these forums have spent enough time on the internet to see the hype around the rise of bitcoin price. Now there are so many other alt coins available as well and a lot of my friends are throwing a lot of money around on things like Ripple, Zcash, Lite Coin etc.
I haven't really been keeping up with the whole thing but I've recently just signed up and bought some lite coin purely so I can be part of crypto coin conversations and not 'miss the bus' so to speak.
I just wanted to see what your thoughts are...
Is anyone here putting some serious cash into cryptocurrency?
Have you got any tips?
Has anyone had a go at mining?
i have a mining machine that doesn't currently have any GPUs other than one GTX970 processing away at a very low hashrate. it mines about $45/month currently and is rewarded at a rate of around 0.72/mBTC/day or depending on the market value about 2.50AUD/day
i have the pci-e riser cables and everything mostly ready for plugging in 6 GPUs, just haven't made a decision on noise and power yet...
the ideal setup is to have the maximum number of GPUs mining a coin that is rising in value, so a script will monitor the available pools value and chose which one has the best hashrate/value return and continue on it until there is a change. it becomes more worthwhile with more GPUs and patricularly AMD GPUs which have better processing rates than Nvidias per price of the hardware, and compared to ASICs where some stratum servers will block giving parts of the blockchain to them to process
the difficulty is in getting a value back into fiat usable currency, especially in Australia with whatever bank account you can currently open. if you have a European or US bank account you can easily exchange altcoin for those currencies and Bitcoin is easily spent on Steam or accepted by other places who trade in BTC & fiat. it's not so straight forward to go straight into AUD though
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I won't pretend to understand everything you wrote there Trillion but I do have a question. Why are GPU's used to process this stuff and not CPU's?
things like RippleDid teq make his own cryptocurrency?
GPU's are designed to process longer form data to a certain consistency. so say you're GPU is processing a bunch of polygons, textures, and physics effects from the pipeline of a game engine, how much memory and the type of GPU it is will effect the output framerate and fancy graphics things you will get out of it
Cryptocurrency block chain data is more or less the same idea, instead of the graphical output measured in FPS the result is a hashrate that the block data was processed in something like a GH/s
there's a bit of an outdated explaination here which you can read and piece together how AMD hardware is better at processing than Nvidias' and how the blockchain processing rate get's harder over time, why GPU mining isnt considered profitable any more (Bitcoin at least, other altcoins it is obviously still useful for) and a few other things
cryptocurrency is a storage of wealth like fiat currency, gold, shares, real estate or other commodities.
currency has no inherent value so its stability is premised on confidence. in the case of the US dollar it is stabilised by the biggest army in the world. major trading currencies are stable because their countries are governed by rule of law and transparency.
my personal concern with cryptcurrency is that it is not backed by a national government and a rule of law. i suspect it would be nigh impossible to sue or enforce a contract premised on cryptocurrency. furthermore because cryptocurrency intentionally shuns national governments, governments will not legitimise them. thus cryptocurrency will tend to be used for black market transactions.
ultimately governments will have to make a trade off if they want to get a piece of the taxation action. however the very nature of cryuptocurrency means that if a person chooses to remain anonymous they can do so.
given the complexity of how cryptocurrency is created and transferred, users have to have faith in the algorithm. as i understand it, cryptrocurrency is premised on a limited supply of coins. if there ever turned out to be a backdoor to the creation of new coins then the whole currency would unravel. (compared to national governments which create new currency through inflation and fractional banking in a (relatively) transparent manner and thus everyone can continue to evaluate how much inflation is devaluing the currency).
i note recent news articles where cryptocurrency prices have taken off, suggesting that this is due to the chinese using it as a means to smuggle wealth out of China. this is a simple case of demand for the coins outstripping supply. so it may work to use it as a means of speculative investment.
i can't see how crypto currency will be able to become a means of facilitating large commercial or investment treansactions anytime soon. (don't put your super in it.)
infi i think a lot of the concerns about anonymity and transparency are mainly directed towards the Bitcoin block chain. afaik with the Ethereum block chain and the ERC-20 standard a lot of product based ventures are making use of this in their ICO or initial coin offerings
some examples are Brave and the basic attention token https://brave.com
Metamask which does a bunch of things better than Bitcoin https://metamask.io
and Ant which as you mentioned is the cryptocurrency being taken up in China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_Financial_Services_Group
and a bunch of others tracked here https://icostats.com
as for trading altcoins and speculating why the prices are fluctuating like they are, watch this guy for some insights
i suspect it would be nigh impossible to sue or enforce a contract premised on cryptocurrency. furthermore because cryptocurrency intentionally shuns national governments, governments will not legitimise them.
The ATO has defined cryptocurrency as a form of bartering.
GST is payable on a supply of bitcoin by you in the course or furtherance of your exchange service enterprise. Input tax credits are available for bitcoin acquired if the supply of bitcoin to you is a taxable supply.
Its not significantly different to agreeing to be paid for a transaction in gold, guns, or sheep. S*** is legal and taxed.
I wouldn't want to be litigating that case.
Just remember, by the time civilians have heard about it, the gold rush is probably over. I love the tech behind cryptocurrency but when normal people are buying in to speculate it might be too late to make money. I still have an old wallet lying around on an old PC with some coins in it that I think I have since lost the details for :( Sure wish I'd kept mining back in the old days.
i used to buy btc when they were worth less than $10 aussie dollars.
unfortunately for me, i spent them not long after buying.
have also lost hundreds of dollars through btc exchanges disappearing with my money (and markets too).
who would have thought they'd be worth what they are now!
i could have been rich :(
it mines about $45/month currently
woudlnt you be burning through more electricity than that to mine?
pretty impressive seeing the big chinese mines, makes you not want to compete.
i did something similar to that trog
in 2011 or 2012 i was given an GTX680 and i synced a Bitcoin wallet, mined with it for maybe 6 weeks and it was upto about 0.2 BTC ... forgot about it and didn't save it to a vault or elsewhere, this was before the Mt Gox exchange went bad, i either had an account and wallet there, like on Coinbase now, or a lot of the information i was reading up on the Bitcoin thing led to there or made references to there.
there was an episode of the Hamish & Andy show not too long ago where they had callers call in and guess the password to a forgotten Bitcoin wallet with something like 2 BTC in it, guess the password and split the value of the coins in the wallet. It was funny, and kind of sad remembering mine being out there with reference to in the block chain but being anonymous and having probably soft forked the protocol in the mean time, lost forever
Spook the solar meter is up to 9698KW/h and it's been averaging lower than normal this winter. I haven't checked it recently during the day and i don't keep a log of it into a grapher anymore but it's probably around 8-12KW/h a day. the Nvidia card uses about 170W so to KW/h is = W × hr / 1000 so 170 x 24 / 1000 = 4.08KW/h... still outputting around 4-10KW/h a day after
it's probably not the best use of the spare electricity after hot water heating and all the rest of it, and i'm not sure if the rebate or feedin tariff is supplemented on the bill. will have to check it
Yeah I can remember thinking about buying a bunch of bitcoin a year or so ago when it was about £150 per coin, now it's £2K! Defo missed that boat :(
I imagine the real short-term profit gains are behind us, though perhaps not, it might jump higher, it's definitely got huge room to grow still. I'd treat it as a high risk and relatively short term investment myself. Then you can pick out the high performers and try to do some super quick returns. Although I'd probably lean towards investing in one thats getting legit backing from large coalitions, organisations, countries or banks, as those will be the ones that survive no doubt. And I'm not really a short term investor type.
I was thinking the other day I might do some relatively small investments in bitcoin or ethereum.
have also lost hundreds of dollars through btc exchanges disappearing with my money (and markets too).there was at least one story about a wallet application that built up a good reputation to get users, and then the developer apparently rigged it to intercept all coins passed through it and redirected to his wallet. There are going to be some grade-A scams out there so pick a reputable-as-f*** middleman if you must use one at all.
ppl have made a fortune stealing others btc.
I've bought approx. $600 worth of coins. I'd say I diversified over different alt coins but they all seem pretty linked to bitcoin and how it's going anyway. It's becoming more of a hobby.
I recently bought a little workstation to run some dev VMs on and it has a Ryzen 1700 CPU and RX 550 ATI GPU. I thought I'd sample some mining just out of curiosity. It performed pretty badly. GPU was making $2.00USD a day and the CPU about 0.80USD so not really worth it.
At the moment I'm trying to find the best private key wallet solution for Ripple, NXT, Stratis, SiaCoin and LiteCoin. I don't really want to keep the coins in coinspot or coinbase. Anyone have any suggestions on wallets?
im not this into it (only have a few hundred $$$ in crypto to ride the the value while it lasts up and to the right) but Electrum has a no-sync wallet which can pair with hardware like Ledger for uber security. i would have thought the Ledger Blue coming later in the year would have contact payments with NFC or something but it doesn't seem to
i have my own wallet now and my btc spend minimal time away from it.
I mine Z cash as per the instructions here https://zec.suprnova.cc/
Not really sure on the $ per hour, but so far it reckons I have $60+ USD in 2 weeks of on and off mining using a 1080ti and 980ti in the spare machine.
The cost of electricty probably outweighs the money earned and Im yet to read about how to actually trade it for USD.
there are a few places that claim to be Australian based Bitcoin exchanges. All they do is take your deposit, make you a wallet address with your transaction in BTC, and an invoice. There's no withdrawing or exchanging back into AUD. The nearest product or service I've seen to that is one where you can receive a branded Visa debit card with the value converted into I would assume AUD which can then be used anywhere it's accepted, which is a lot of places
I was thinking it might have something to do with banks protecting their product integration of services like Apple Pay or Google Pay where the fin tech products take a long time to integrate with banks alongside their existing stuff. Maybe it's because they can't charge transaction fee's on a block chain verified system like cryptocurrencies have built in. I guess they want to stay with the fiat currency hood as much as possible, maybe it's just banks in Australia and the way they're controlled from U.K. interests
Either way the point is that once you buy any cryptocurrency with fiat currency it's difficult to get that value back into the fiat currency you spent to get into the value proposition to begin with, unless the goods and services are available to be trade in BTC
i dont know about other products, most of the exchanges ive dealt with in Aus for bitcoins are happy to sell and transfer to bank accounts.
admittedly ive never done it, but i would imagine there would be an outcry if you coudlnt convert back to AUD.
Completely new to this. I remember when BT become somewhat popular. i tried mining it when it was in the single digits but never worked it out. Now i'm kicking myself!
Anyone mining Zcash on windows? Got a thirdparty app and it seems to be doing something.... Do you just let it run in the background? Does the mining process use a lot of internets?
Anyone mining Zcash on windows? Got a thirdparty app and it seems to be doing something.... Do you just let it run in the background? Does the mining process use a lot of internets?I mined a bit on day 0 for Zcash but gave up quickly because I don't have the patience. I'd be very very wary of third party apps. I think there is an official Windows build but can't remember.
Yep just run it in the background; it shouldn't use a lot of Internet at all. It might be better to run in Linux (in a VM) as I think the official build is maintained well in Linux.
if you mean NiceHash by third party app then it works fine for downloading and running whichever coin type miner it benchmarks as the best on your hardware. all you really need to do with it is set a Bitcoin wallet address that's yours in the right box and when the pool payout happens it will deposit the value as mBTC into that wallet address. You can setup a Coinbase wallet or use one that you get if you setup an account on the NiceHash website. if you use my coinbase link after you buy or sell $100USD we both get $10 of free bitcoin deposited into the wallet. Nicehash take a bit of a fee if you get it sent to an outside wallet address. It will take about 1 month of mining with NiceHash before you get a payout.
Fee for all nicehash-wallet mining payments (regardless of size) is 2%.
I just checked an old wallet and found 0.06btc which was worth nothing last i checked it. Now it's worth $200. Sweet.
ETH is the only one going anywhere for now, big companies supporting it and smart contracts are the future (i.e.; infis post). IMHO blockchain is still too risky though, it's a gamble.
Also the ethical concerns regarding what most people actually use it as currency for
If i had the appetite, I would tip Ripple (XRP)
I mined a bit on day 0 for Zcash but gave up quickly because I don't have the patience. I'd be very very wary of third party apps. I think there is an official Windows build but can't remember.
So I figured out the wallet software is separate from the mining tools. The wallet is "official" thirdparty zcash wallet... confusing.
Anyway, I need linux.
All the coins have lost value but it's actually making a lot of current coin holders purchase more. Everyone at the office is onto it and they're calling it the bitcoin/altcoin fire sale. Everyone went nuts and bought thousands of dollars worth of Ethereum yesterday.
Yeah I wouldn't take that volatility as a death knell, BTC had loads of it and look at it now. If anything it's a good time to pick up some coins on the cheap. What's everyones picks to buy in? Ethereum seems to be the main contender. Though I see Waves, Ripple and Dashly are also picks to have large growth.
lots btc has been all over the place for years, but never as expensive as it is recently...
So everyone at the office is laughing since they bought Ethereum when it was low and now it has shot back up. Everything has shot up for that matter so if you bought anything during last week you'd be laughing now.
What do the speculators think they are doing, apart from playing the old âbigger foolâ game?
They are hoping that the worldâs governments and central banks take leave of their senses and make cryptocurrencies legal tender. In fact one government â Japan â has already lost its mind and started to do it.
Since the supply of bitcoins and ethers is limited to 21 million and 230 million respectively, for either to become global legal tender â so that you could buy a cup of coffee with them in Zagreb or Anchorage â they would have to be divided up into millions of smaller units.
The more that happened, and the more that small bits of bitcoin or ether were used for transactions, the more each whole unit would be worth.
A magical way to get rich quick. ICOs - Initial Coin Offerings.
Banks are getting in on the blockchain axn too.
Commonwealth Bank of Australia has successfully used "smart contracts" to execute invoice financing documents and letters of credit with 14 other global banks financing international trade, in another indication that blockchain technology is set to be deployed in the coming years by global banks to reduce costs. Read more: http://www.afr.com/technology/cba-trials-blockchai
i see lots of people are starting to have issues cashing out the btc.....
I went through the extended KYC processes with btcmarkets.net and was able to withdraw to Australian bank account no problems, but this was back when BTC hit US$10K.
i wonder if exchanges have the liquidity to payout large scale withdrawls?
It's not exchanges but buyers who need to have the cash. Zerohedge reports large % of crypto investors doing it on their credit card. What could possibly go wrong?
I have an internet friend that pulled out US$950K when BTC hit US$10K. They let him sell his 100 btc but had to be do so as a 'market maker' on the exchange, which they do for zero fees. It was a hassle and so he'll just regularly sell smaller amounts in future to avoid having to do that.
lolz, old man infi being all grumpy at the kids who arent making money the proper way. (kick backs and back door political deals)
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here's my answer to anyone who asks me what to do about bitcoin: lock in your profits and think yourself lucky that you have made a profit in the greatest bubble in recent times. Then go and put your money into a real business that makes money.http://www.afr.com/markets/michael-glennon-im-bore
i think all the people that bought around $1000 a btc are still doing pretty well and will be for a while yet. and thats just btc.
theres a whole range of cryptos that have produced returns other investments could only ever dream of, especially in the time frames.
i personally have the s**** with people investing in btc, because they've made it completely unusable.
Banks are getting in on the blockchain axn too.
my work is looking at block chain as well for share registry applications.
There needs to be a crypto that can handle the load before taking on the role of a world-wide currency in years to come. Bitcoin doesnt seem suitable... yet. We'll see where the lightning network takes it.
It's still very useful for wealth storage outside the banking system. I can see for the next inevitable GFC (gotta love Capitalism) it would send it skyrocketing further.
the crypto market is looking very sad today. i think people are waking up and cashing out.
yes, they will be cutting their losses and getting out.
no wait, making massive profits.
South Korea is moving to ban all crypto exchanges
China banned BTC and are backing NEO so I'd hardly say it's a crypto meltdown, more an evolution. I don't imagine BTC will be a laster, it's more of a trail blazer, think cryptocurrency and blockchains as a thing is here to stay though.
bitcoin down 21%
ethereum down 22%
ripple down 32%
so, if i had invested $1000 6 months ago in btc, what would it be worth now?
bitcoin down 26%
ethereum down 30%
ripple down 39%
$1,000 6 months ago would be worth $4,000 right now but sell your internet coins while you can
I think if we've learnt anything it's that if you use short-term volatility as a herald of the crypto market you're gonna have a bad time!
http://www.afr.com/markets/michael-glennon-im-bored-of-bitcoin-already-20180111-h0h714#ixzz54DmlgoAJThere was some dumb pay wall for me, I assume others too. So here's a quick drive by screenshot for anyone else who gets the pay wall thing.
yeah afr is paywalled but it has a lot of good market coverage so I paid for it.
i can pm articles for anyone interested.
There was some dumb pay wall for me, I assume others too. So here's a quick drive by screenshot for anyone else who gets the pay wall thing.Pro tip: many paywalled articles can be sirsumvented by pasting the URL into Google and accessing the site by clicking on the Google Search result.
This probably won't work if you've already clicked on the URL site (because it will drop a cookie), so if you know it's a paywalled site try that first - or alternatively try it in a private browsing session (it might still fail if they use IP checks).
Nice recovery happening now. Funny how many articles are coming out saying the bubble has popped.
That is one seriously interesting brain-computer interface failure. I can't even consider it a typo given I can see where you were going with this one...It is a joke from Arrested Development that I should not have to explain because everyone should have seen Arrested Development
maybe they could skip the new episodes and just watch the originals.
Is North Korea behind the Bitcoin crash?