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Windows 8 is Now Available in Australia
Dan
Special Text
Brisbane, Queensland
3535 posts
Microsoft has officially launched the much-discussed Windows 8, with the OS now available on a variety of new PCs and mobile computers, and Microsoft's own debut tablet, the Microsoft Surface now also shipping in it's first Windows RT-powered form.

Link to Windows8 Upgrade Assistant that will check to see if your machine is worthy of the 39$ deal and if anything may cause you issues hardware/software wise.
Windows 8 will be available for download to upgrade existing qualifying Windows PCs in more than 140 markets worldwide and 37 languages at www.microsoft.com including Australia. More than 200 devices, including Surface, will be available to Australian customers.

“With the launch of Windows 8, Microsoft is unveiling a reimagined Windows to the world,” said Pip Marlow, managing director, Microsoft Australia. “Whether you want a tablet or a PC, whether you want to consume or create, whether you want to work or play – Windows 8 delivers a personalised experience that fits your unique style and needs.”
More Australian-specific details on the launch can be found in this press release, and previous Windows users looking to take advantage of the cheap $39 upgrade offer can start that process over here, or this $15 upgrade offer for those that have purchased a Windows 7 PC after June 2012. (thanks ara).
11:51am 26/10/12 Permalink
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11:51am 26/10/12 Permalink
do0b
Brisbane, Queensland
4457 posts
been on it for about a month

is don is good
11:55am 26/10/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3553 posts
Guess I should replace the rc I'm running. Might splash out and buy the revision 2 of my mainboard that includes fast boot while I'm reinstalling.

http://event.asus.com/mb/windows_8/#feature
12:02pm 26/10/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10353 posts
What are some reasons one might upgrade from Windows 7 ?
12:02pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Mass
Brisbane, Queensland
1276 posts
Looks like they are offering the Media Center pack for free for a little while

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-AU/windows-8/feature-packs
12:04pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Mass
Brisbane, Queensland
1277 posts
What are some reasons one might upgrade from Windows 7 ?

File sharing and copying.......that alone was reason enough for me to keep windows 8.

Its also the fastest windows OS I've ever used.

I don't even miss the start button after 2 weeks of use.
12:10pm 26/10/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3554 posts
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=reasons+to+upgrade+to+windows+8

It's faster, starting, shutting down, opening explorer, starting apps/games.

The new copy dialogue (still doesn't auto start the next paused item when one has finished though)

Refresh your pc is handy, like reset to factory defaults for smart phones.

The cloud, I find it handy have all my settings/wallpapers/etc being linked so fresh install, bang everything is how I like it, load ninite and I'm ready to go.

It's Windows 7b with a fullscreen start menu instead of a little bit in the corner. Once you get over the wtf factor I find it easier/quicker to find s*** that I don't use that often (things I do are pinned to taskbar).

If you use eyefinity or nvidia surround Do NOT get atm, until amd and nvidia figure something out.
12:14pm 26/10/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10354 posts
lol mental the first result from your link: "5 reasons not to upgrade to Windows 8"
12:24pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20068 posts
What specifically is so good about file copying in Windows 8? And for that matter, whats so bad about it in Windows 7?

Start menu as the desktop still sounds retarded to me, since I'm nearly always running something full screen, does that mean I need to minimise everything to get to my "start menu", or does it come up and cover everything? Neither is a particularly likeable solution.

And sif you wouldn't already use dropbox for windows settings, my documents, etc. Not to mention, with dropbox I can access it all from non-windows 8 machines and my phone.
12:43pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7829 posts
See my previous opinion piece for my full run down, but so far its great. I actually have difficulty using Windows 7 now because I'm so use to the start screen, it really is a handy thing having all my most used apps right there.
Start menu as the desktop still sounds retarded to me, since I'm nearly always running something full screen, does that mean I need to minimise everything to get to my "start menu", or does it come up and cover everything? Neither is a particularly likeable solution.
Well technically you still have to do that in Windows 7 because hitting the start button would minimise anything/overlay your current view. You can still hit Win key to get back out of it and into previous window or hit atl+tab to cycle. Everything still works the exact same as Win 7 except it has a full screen of the start menu, but this time with pins.

Also you can access the cloud service from any non-windows machine as well, its built into their email/live service.
12:52pm 26/10/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10355 posts
I don't like how copying works in Windows 7 or any previous windows. It doesn't tell you WHAT is being copied, only the first few characters of the source folder and destination folder, for starters, which is like... umm... a PRETTY F*****G HUGE OVERSIGHT!!!!!!!!! And of course there is no way to pause or speed limit it or resume.
On top of that, there does not exist any 3rd party software to add these features. I've tried all of them, and they are all s***. I've settled on TerraCopy, but it is still s***.


However, nobody has mentioned what Windows 8 offers. I doubt it would do what I want.


Eorl: a lot of the stuff in your opinion piece already existed in Windows 7, lol..

last edited by thermite at 12:57:53 26/Oct/12
12:53pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Mass
Brisbane, Queensland
1278 posts
What specifically is so good about file copying in Windows 8? And for that matter, whats so bad about it in Windows 7?

I transfer a lot of files around my network of computers at home. Using Windows 8 now it is faster, whatever they have done in the background its made it faster. I used to transfer large media files from my PC to my media centre and once I initiated a copy I could no longer browse the files on the media centre, since switching my PC to windows 8 I can now copy the files and browse the files without it grinding to a halt. Its a massive difference for my needs.
12:58pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20070 posts
Do you have some kind of crippled windows or something? My copy of Windows 7 tells me the files being copied and I don't think I did anything special to enable that functionality.
12:58pm 26/10/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10356 posts
Do you have some kind of crippled windows or something? My copy of Windows 7 tells me the files being copied and I don't think I did anything special to enable that functionality.


I bet it doesn't! You assume it does. And when I mention this to people they always think it does. But it doesn't.
01:00pm 26/10/12 Permalink
bepatient
Melbourne, Victoria
1090 posts
Does anyone know how the update works? Do I get an ISO for the Win 8 install if I want to format or do I simply have to install my Win 7 then upgrade on top of it?
01:06pm 26/10/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3555 posts
It merges the copy/delete/move boxes instead of multiple instances.
Copying is faster.
There is a pause/resume button.
The Cancel button actually cancels instead of pretending to cancel for twenty minutes and then cancelling.
It doesn't stutter, speed up and slow down any more, it's pretty constant.
The biggest change is when you are copying different things from different locations to different places, they are grouped, it doesn't stall when you add another copy. The speed is spread evenly between them instead of one going 100mb/s, one going 12kb/s and one going 30mb/s they all go the same speed. In Windows 7 when the 100mb/s one had finished the others wouldn't speed up for ages, in Windows 8 they speed up when one finishes.

Small things that make things easier for me.
01:12pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20071 posts
Yeah ok, I'll concede, those changes do all sound pretty good.

For thermite though, this is what my copy window looks like in windows 7, it definitely has the filenames:

http://i49.tinypic.com/wgouhe.png
01:23pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Crash
Sydney, New South Wales
1361 posts
I picked it up at the midnight launch and installed it. Enjoying it so far, didn't take me long to get used to the the start screen, and its easy to switch to the desktop. Also running 2 screens the desktop is always up no the 2nd monitor so no big deal for me.
01:24pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5359 posts
It merges the copy/delete/move boxes instead of multiple instances.
Copying is faster.
There is a pause/resume button.
The Cancel button actually cancels instead of pretending to cancel for twenty minutes and then cancelling.
It doesn't stutter, speed up and slow down any more, it's pretty constant.
The biggest change is when you are copying different things from different locations to different places, they are grouped, it doesn't stall when you add another copy


Heh, I keep forgetting everyone else isn't using Directory Opus.
I've taken pause/resume for granted since back when I was still using Windows XP in 2008 and grouped file copying came along mid 2011.
01:29pm 26/10/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16079 posts
no need for me to upgrade atm.
01:33pm 26/10/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3558 posts
Yeah I used Terra Copy for ages, but then it stopped working and it wouldn't work on any other os or hardware that I tried it on so gave up on it.
01:40pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7830 posts
I picked it up at the midnight launch and installed it. Enjoying it so far, didn't take me long to get used to the the start screen, and its easy to switch to the desktop. Also running 2 screens the desktop is always up no the 2nd monitor so no big deal for me.

Cool thing I like with dual monitors is that the start screen can be brought up on one without putting the other on a blank screen or something. Also handy when you have something important on screen one so you bring it up on screen two for ease of access.
01:51pm 26/10/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7323 posts
It's faster, starting, shutting down, opening explorer, starting apps/games.

You get that perception with any freshly installed OS.
Refresh your pc is handy, like reset to factory defaults for smart phones.

With significant limitations/gotchas.
The cloud, I find it handy have all my settings/wallpapers/etc being linked so fresh install, bang everything is how I like it, load ninite and I'm ready to go.

Infrequent auto-configuration of basic settings is not exactly wow-worthy.
It's Windows 7b with a fullscreen start menu instead of a little bit in the corner. Once you get over the wtf factor I find it easier/quicker to find s*** that I don't use that often (things I do are pinned to taskbar).

I already use the taskbar heavily in Win7. The only thing Win8 does is clutter the f*** out of the screen with oversized tablet-friendly icons and take away the regular start-menu option. So it takes away, rather than gives.

All I got was that the file-copy feature is good. The rest comes across as MSDN-subscriber bias.
02:07pm 26/10/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3559 posts
Meh, I'm not a ms employee, it's more refined and I find it quicker and easier to use.
02:14pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12972 posts
You get that perception with any freshly installed OS.

There are changes to boot behaviour affecting performance. UEFI integration and hibernating the kernel are new Windows 8 OS features that improve boot times and should persist beyond the new OS honeymoon period.
All I got was that the file-copy feature is good. The rest comes across as MSDN-subscriber bias.

All I got is that you've arbitrarily decided that anyone who likes windows8 is a MS fanboy.
02:25pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7452 posts
No thanks, I'll stick with Windows 7. I like having a taskbar.

However the new MSI Ultrabook looks incredible, and like it would work well for Windows 8.
02:27pm 26/10/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3560 posts
Windows 8 has a taskbar, it has a fullscreen start menu instead of a small one now, if that's what you meant?
02:28pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12973 posts
No thanks, I'll stick with Windows 7. I like having a taskbar.

You don;t lose your taskbar?
02:29pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7832 posts
I found this article on Kotaku to be quite consistent with my thoughts on the new OS. It's a long read, but I really think it shows that the "walled off garden" that many keep citing is really not there.
02:44pm 26/10/12 Permalink
bepatient
Melbourne, Victoria
1091 posts
Been using WIn8 as my main os for a couple of months now and I'm loving it tbh.

Highlights for me
Really good for dual monitors. The sticky corners are a big help.
Startup/shutdown/sleep is definitely much faster.
File copy is finally not useless. No need for Teracopy any more.
I quite like the metro to desktop interface. I never used the start menu so its no loss to me. Hit the win button and type what I want or pin it to the taskbar.
Love how you can have your desktop take 3/4 of screen and on the other 1/4 have an app such as Tweetro.

Lowlights for me
Secondary apps keeps crashing (tried multiple twitter apps including the Official windows one). Its a silent crash though, its simply just closed and thats the end of it. I've only really tried the twitter apps so not sure how common this is.
The power button is a pain to find. Literally had to google search to find out how to shut down.
When searching (win button and type you keywords) items are grouped by type which makes sense but it means you have to navigate to the type apps to find. A little hard to explain.


Edit:
Forgot to mention, we finally can have a taskbar across both screens without needing additional software
03:40pm 26/10/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7324 posts
All I got is that you've arbitrarily decided that anyone who likes windows8 is a MS fanboy.

So far I've mostly read apologist and "it's not that bad" comments from people who have some sort of existing investment or interest in Microsoft products (via their MSDN subscription), which is a strong indication of bias. So yes, I will continue to "decide" they are MS fanbois and wait for real reviews to come out.

As I said apart from the file copy feature, I don't see anything to woo me into wanting to upgrade to Win8.
03:47pm 26/10/12 Permalink
bepatient
Melbourne, Victoria
1092 posts
As I said apart from the file copy feature, I don't see anything to woo me into wanting to upgrade to Win8.

Totally see where you're coming from. There are no stand out features to make me NEED an update. The boot/file transfer speed improvement is a big help for me but its never been a big enough deal in the first place.

With that said though, its a very fair priced OS so I'm happy to give them my money.
03:50pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20073 posts
So you can still do like you do in Windows 7, where you hit the windows key to bring up the start menu and type part of a program name and it filters the menu down to those programs then you can click it to run it? I've been using the start menu like that all the time now since someone mentioned it in a previous thread and its extremely handy.

Like for example I want to start Teamspeak, I bring up the start menu, type "team" and it filters everything and Teamspeak shows up as the top (or only) item then I click it to start it, rather than hunt through the start menu finding where it is.

F*** pinning things to the taskbar though, I hope thats not the recommended or encouraged way of doing things in Windows 8 because I hate that in Windows 7. First thing I do with a clean install is unpin everything. My taskbar is for tasks, not pinned s*** =\
03:58pm 26/10/12 Permalink
scuzzy
Brisbane, Queensland
15487 posts
Forgot to mention, we finally can have a taskbar across both screens without needing additional software
Are the items in the taskbar representative of the monitor the application is running on?
04:03pm 26/10/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16081 posts
if i was currently upgrading my PC i would probably invest in win8 but i wont be doing that for a couple more years. win9 might be out by then if win8 bombs.
04:05pm 26/10/12 Permalink
bepatient
Melbourne, Victoria
1093 posts
So you can still do like you do in Windows 7, where you hit the windows key to bring up the start menu and type part of a program name and it filters the menu down to those programs then you can click it to run it?

Yes you absolutely can. The only element of it I don't like is everything is split into groups - which makes perfect sense - I just don't like it.


Are the items in the taskbar representative of the monitor the application is running on?

They sure are :D

I'm pretty sure its optional so if you don't like you can turn it off.
04:06pm 26/10/12 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
9737 posts
The power button is a pain to find. Literally had to google search to find out how to shut down.


I've always configured desktops/laptops to shutdown upon pressing the physical power button on the computer. This'll be no different.

last edited by koopz at 16:16:23 26/Oct/12
04:14pm 26/10/12 Permalink
bepatient
Melbourne, Victoria
1094 posts
I've always configured desktops/laptops to shutdown upon pressing the physical power button on the computer. This'll be no different.
How about sleep? Or do you have a button on your keyboard?
04:19pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12975 posts
As I said apart from the file copy feature, I don't see anything to woo me into wanting to upgrade to Win8.

So you just outright ignored the bit where I explained why boot is faster and repeated that your opinion was right anyway.

That's so parabol.
04:27pm 26/10/12 Permalink
scuzzy
Brisbane, Queensland
15488 posts
I'm pretty sure its optional so if you don't like you can turn it off.
Most excellent, I've been using ultramon and then later display fusion just to achieve this functionality, glad it's in built now.
04:27pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
6661 posts
Question, if you press WindowsKey+R in Windows 8, does it still just bring up the run dialogue, or does it switch to a fullscreen menu? Because that's my ultimate text deformatter as well as create-text-to-paste-elsewhere method (e.g. copying text from an image on screen, just typing into the run dialogue).
04:28pm 26/10/12 Permalink
bepatient
Melbourne, Victoria
1095 posts
Question, if you press WindowsKey+R in Windows 8, does it still just bring up the run dialogue, or does it switch to a fullscreen menu?

At work so don't have my box to test but I'm 95% sure it brings up the good old run box
04:32pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Mass
Brisbane, Queensland
1279 posts
Yes brings up the run box
04:46pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
6662 posts
Woo, thanks guys.
04:49pm 26/10/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7325 posts
So you just outright ignored the bit where I explained why boot is faster

The question is, do halved boot times affect me when I reboot only once a fortnight/month?

The answer is obvious, hence my continued disinterest.

(it's so Hogfather to miss the big picture, as always)
05:10pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
20814 posts
See my previous opinion piece for my full run down, but so far its great. I actually have difficulty using Windows 7 now because I'm so use to the start screen, it really is a handy thing having all my most used apps right there.Well technically you still have to do that in Windows 7 because hitting the start button would minimise anything/overlay your current view. You can still hit Win key to get back out of it and into previous window or hit atl+tab to cycle. Everything still works the exact same as Win 7 except it has a full screen of the start menu, but this time with pins.Also you can access the cloud service from any non-windows machine as well, its built into their email/live service.

What? I don't know what kind of windows you be usin foo' but I can maximize windows explorer or my video player and still be able to get at the start menu without minimizing or alt tabbing anything.

I pity da foo' who uses full screen start menus.

Funny how everyone talks about the Apple Reality Distortion Field and now everyone is jumping on the MS RDF bandwagon about how a s***** tablet interface is best for their PC.

I'd hate to use the interface from my phone on my PC. Windows 8 can go DIAF.
05:21pm 26/10/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7326 posts
Funny how everyone talks about the Apple Reality Distortion Field

It's a New Toy(tm) Distortion Field.

Basically early adopters of any technology/product generally:

1. Want to show off their new toy
2. Want to show off the fact that they have early and/or exclusive access to said toy, hence being a trend-setter/VIP.
3. Try to downplay any shortcomings of their toy, as that would indicate a poor judgement of purchase/invested-time on their part. Can't have that.
05:27pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12976 posts
The question is, do halved boot times affect me when I reboot only once a fortnight/month?

The answer is obvious, hence my continued disinterest.

(it's so Hogfather to miss the big picture, as always)

Its not all about what you want, or your interest level, lol?

Big picture bulls*** aside, I was explaining that (contrary to your statements) in this OS there ARE improvements to boot times, beyond the normal new install honeymoon. The reason they bothered was that most Windows users power off their computer daily, so your personal experience doesn't matter much.

Edit: Back on topic, I'm using it at home and like it, but I'm unsure if other people will get on board quickly.

It took me a while to accept the changes and learn the new UI tricks, and to be honest I'm not really a fan of the ultra-minimalist UI feel MS is going in. The implementation of the new 'screen edge' features is also a bit wonky somehow along the seam between two monitors.
05:30pm 26/10/12 Permalink
bepatient
Melbourne, Victoria
1097 posts
The implementation of the new 'screen edge' features is also a bit wonky somehow along the seam between two monitors.

I actually think the 6px sticky corners work quite well. They do occasionally get stuck but overall I think I prefer having it there.
05:57pm 26/10/12 Permalink
euphoria
Gold Coast, Queensland
2054 posts
I actually think the 6px sticky corners work quite well. They do occasionally get stuck but overall I think I prefer having it there.
Agreed. I've been running Win 8 in a VM on one of my monitors and it was a pain to stop in the corner to bring up the charms. Was pleasantly surprised about the sticky-ness now that my host in Win 8 across two monitors.
06:28pm 26/10/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17401 posts
so i wonder what kind of rotation microsoft have planned for windows, a new one ever 3 years would be the goal ?
07:42pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12978 posts
so i wonder what kind of rotation microsoft have planned for windows, a new one ever 3 years would be the goal ?

(desktop editions)

Windows 1 - 1985
2 - 1987
3 - 1990
3.1 - 1992
95 - 1995
98 - 1998
2000 - 2000
ME - 2000
XP - 2001
Vista - 2007
7 - 2009
8 -2012

Aside from the long XP anomaly and turn of the century version shenanigans, its always been every few years.

The XP thing so close to 2000 and ME can really be explained by ME being a pile of s*** and people using 2000 server instead, which IIRC prompted the NT kernel's move to the desktop?
07:56pm 26/10/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
821 posts
loving it so far. I found chucking the task bar on top and setting it to auto-hide really makes the "desktop" blend in well with the while UI.
08:52pm 26/10/12 Permalink
SquashedDuck
Brisbane, Queensland
16 posts
Well I can't work out how, maybe someone can tell me?

How do you search the new Microsoft App Store?
09:18pm 26/10/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
822 posts
Well I can't work out how, maybe someone can tell me?

How do you search the new Microsoft App Store?


just start typing
09:24pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3248 posts
Start+X is your friend in windows 8
09:25pm 26/10/12 Permalink
SquashedDuck
Brisbane, Queensland
17 posts
just start typing


Doh. A visual clue would have been nice. Just a search icon please? lol
09:26pm 26/10/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
823 posts
Doh. A visual clue would have been nice. Just a search icon please? lol


the settings on the side (move mouse to top right corner) is relative to the program you're using. typing just skips the whole movement to the search ;)

*EDIT* that smile made me seem smug. didn't mean it to be haha.
09:31pm 26/10/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17402 posts
true that hoggy i guess xp has distorted my view of it

carry on
10:32pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Fixah
Brisbane, Queensland
7129 posts
Downloading now, will report back in 30 minutes. If you don't hear from me at 10:05pm then i'm stuck in limbo somewhere between 2 windows, so someone please call jeebus to come sabe me.
10:35pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
20817 posts
The XP thing so close to 2000 and ME can really be explained by ME being a pile of s*** and people using 2000 server instead, which IIRC prompted the NT kernel's move to the desktop?
Didn't people just use win2kpro? I don't recall any of my friends ever using the server edition on their gaming PC's.

Funny story about ME being universally known as rubbish, it was the ONLY version of windows that would run stable on one of my friends PC's. Every other version would crash but ME would run wonderful. None of us knew what the f***.
10:42pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12980 posts
Didn't people just use win2kpro? I don't recall any of my friends ever using the server edition on their gaming PC's.

Sorry I brain barfed a little; was having a f*****g meltdown at work this afternoon. Never, ever agree to client deadlines ><

Anyway, yeh 2000 pro was only intended for business users who needed AD and super power users. Gaming rigs and home computers were supposed to stick to 98SE and (lol) ME, but 2k (pro and server) was so awesome that everyone went that way. That was the death of the 9x kernel and we got XP a couple years later.
11:07pm 26/10/12 Permalink
Grundar
Melbourne, Victoria
131 posts
2k Pro was rock solid stable, never had a crash with it beyond hardware failure.

ME was a lesson in why you don't buy an incremental upgrade (ie from Win 98 SE - which was great) that is much worse than what it is trying to replace.

Still have copies of 98SE, Win 2k and XP laying around heh, getting my money's worth out of those purchases :P

Looking at getting Win 8 to upgrade from an old XP computer, just because really. Should see if XP is an upgrade path for Win 8.
11:20pm 26/10/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3562 posts
Yeah xp, vista, 7 and 8 release candidate are upgrade paths.
11:42pm 26/10/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7327 posts
I had to buy WinME as Telstra wouldn't hook up cable at my house without seeing a physical Windows disc in my possession.

1. Dumbest and most useless ISP policy ever
2. Worst software purchase ever
11:55pm 26/10/12 Permalink
3x0dus
Townsville, Queensland
1645 posts
Purchased the Upgrade this afternoon and installed it, all running well now.

bit to get used to the Metro interface, but starting to enjoy it.

My dads pc with a recently installed windows7 install with no CD key etc, when running the Windows8 upgrade checker was eligible for the $39.99 install =]
12:00am 27/10/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
8028 posts
Basically, what I'm reading here is pretty much everyone who's actually used it seems to think it's a decent upgrade, and people who haven't used it are saying it's s***. Is that an accurate enough summation?
12:18am 27/10/12 Permalink
3x0dus
Townsville, Queensland
1646 posts
has anyone actualy got a media pack key from

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-AU/windows-8/feature-packs

it says
"Thank you
Your product key will be emailed to you. If the email doesn’t arrive in your inbox, be sure to check your junk email folder."

But yet to arrive (checked junk)
12:21am 27/10/12 Permalink
bepatient
Melbourne, Victoria
1098 posts
Purchased the Upgrade this afternoon and installed it, all running well now.


How does the upgrade work? Does it provide you with a full ISO or do you have to install windows 7 and the physically upgrade every time you want to reinstall?
12:59am 27/10/12 Permalink
konstie
Melbourne, Victoria
2014 posts
i really don't mind the upgrade (from vista) - my 4 year old rig is running significantly faster.

edit: argh, lost all my favorites - why didn't they come across!?
01:01am 27/10/12 Permalink
3x0dus
Townsville, Queensland
1647 posts
How does the upgrade work? Does it provide you with a full ISO or do you have to install windows 7 and the physically upgrade every time you want to reinstall?


Unsure, win 7? U entered the old key to validate.

windows 8 has the "remove everything and reinstall", so maybe that will carry across.

You can always get the windows8 evaluation version to install, the run the upgrade to pro AFAIK.
01:56am 27/10/12 Permalink
3x0dus
Townsville, Queensland
1648 posts
01:59am 27/10/12 Permalink
Fixah
Brisbane, Queensland
7130 posts
Secondary apps keeps crashing (tried multiple twitter apps including the Official windows one). Its a silent crash though, its simply just closed and thats the end of it. I've only really tried the twitter apps so not sure how common this is.
This is happening with me as well. Every time i click on photo, video, music metro shortcuts etc it just opens nothing and goes back to full screen start bar. What the flunk? kind of defeats the purpose of having a fancy start bar if none of the apps don't work.
02:55am 27/10/12 Permalink
3x0dus
Townsville, Queensland
1649 posts
Same happens to me, it was avast causing it.

Disable avast worked fine.

Did avast program update, all working again.
08:36am 27/10/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
20821 posts
I had to buy WinME as Telstra wouldn't hook up cable at my house without seeing a physical Windows disc in my possession.

1. Dumbest and most useless ISP policy ever
2. Worst software purchase ever

What the hell? I'd say that would be an individual contractor thing, they never asked for any such thing with me and I had cable since just before they brought in that notorious 3gb quota, years ago. That would have been what, windows 98 era? I had one of those big huge grey modems.
08:55am 27/10/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3249 posts
I would recommend moving from windows 7. 8 is nice, incremental improvements on top of 7 but solid nonetheless. Tiles are OK, more of a fancy start menu. I still spend 99% of my time on the desktop.

The only thing that really annoys me is the s***** messenger app.

I get my software through my mdsn subscription so it's an easy choice for me.
09:20am 27/10/12 Permalink
3x0dus
Townsville, Queensland
1650 posts
i agree on the messenger side, its no where near as easy to use as normal msn messenger.

Tho the new Hyper-V (Virtual PC) software IMO is amazingly better compared to Virtual PC 2007

last edited by 3x0dus at 09:39:44 27/Oct/12
09:36am 27/10/12 Permalink
euphoria
Gold Coast, Queensland
2055 posts
has anyone actualy got a media pack key from

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-AU/windows-8/feature-packs

it says
"Thank you
Your product key will be emailed to you. If the email doesn’t arrive in your inbox, be sure to check your junk email folder."

But yet to arrive (checked junk)

I requested a key yesterday and the email only arrived this morning. So hopefully yours has arrived by now too.
09:49am 27/10/12 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
7980 posts
how to get google back on win8

10:07am 27/10/12 Permalink
Fixah
Brisbane, Queensland
7131 posts
Same happens to me, it was avast causing it.

Disable avast worked fine.

Did avast program update, all working again.
Nice one. Avast wasn't compitable with windows 8 so yeah the update fixed it. Suddently there's more things to do explore now!
10:41am 27/10/12 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5638 posts
So what do we think of office 2013?
10:43am 27/10/12 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7838 posts
What is the upgrade process like?

I'm running Win 7 on a MacBook Air (never boot OSX) will it behave if I run an upgrade?
10:58am 27/10/12 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9838 posts
Doubtful jmr but try and let us know :)

Can we use the full install Iso to upgrade? Probably sounds dumb but I thought I'd ask..
11:10am 27/10/12 Permalink
3x0dus
Townsville, Queensland
1651 posts
If you have Upgraded from win7 and on an SSD (with a small amount of space)

http://rollyperreaux.com/2012/07/windows-8-how-to-safely-delete-windows-bt-and-windows-old-folders/


You can remove "Previous Version of windows" akak windows.old

Netted me 25gb of free space, Which is incredible, what is the footprint of windows8 ?? it would seem tiny in comparison to win7.

last edited by 3x0dus at 11:30:17 27/Oct/12
11:28am 27/10/12 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9820 posts
Be aware of device support issues.

G15 keyboards for instance can be annoying to get working under Windows 8 at the moment. No Nvello Cache drives (eg. Synapse) work. Loads of drivers for things like sound cards are betas (and are buggy).

imo Buy it now while it's cheap and wait until SP1 :P
11:41am 27/10/12 Permalink
HyperJ
Brisbane, Queensland
422 posts
How is the DVD $15 cheaper than the download?
11:54am 27/10/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3250 posts
Upgrade process from windows 7 was very smooth and easy for me.
12:03pm 27/10/12 Permalink
konstie
Melbourne, Victoria
2015 posts
How is the DVD $15 cheaper than the download?


i think you pay $15 on top to get it sent..
12:27pm 27/10/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1979 posts
I upgraded for $15 so it's worth a shot.

I'm going to try and exist in metro without having to go to desktop. I'm not much of a power user and most my time is spent in games and chrome. See how I go :S

But it seems ok so far. Very steep learning curve though.
02:08pm 27/10/12 Permalink
Mosfx
Gold Coast, Queensland
1274 posts
+1 with a W7 -> W8 update using Microsoft online, very smooth. Still getting used to the new layout, that getyourgoogleback.com video is awesome as the new IE is very.... different. The only issue I've had is with a dual screen monitor when I start up my computer it thinks I'm running two screens and extends a desktop to nowhere...
10:22pm 27/10/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20083 posts
For the $15 thing, does it actually verify your proof of purchase, or can you just put in your key and tell it you bought it this year after june and get the $15 deal?
12:07am 28/10/12 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3816 posts
For the $15 thing, does it actually verify your proof of purchase, or can you just put in your key and tell it you bought it this year after june and get the $15 deal?


Never asked for any proof of purchase.
12:25am 28/10/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10363 posts
I tried to get it for $15 and I got rejected
12:42am 28/10/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12981 posts
For the $15 thing, does it actually verify your proof of purchase, or can you just put in your key and tell it you bought it this year after june and get the $15 deal?
Never asked for any proof of purchase.
I tried to get it for $15 and I got rejected

Sounds like its a key series thing?
10:40am 28/10/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8296 posts
I've been running Win8 for the ~2 months (ish) and think it's pretty good. I use it in Parallels on my MBP for my dev environment and it runs significantly faster than Win7 does. I use it at home on my gaming machine as well. I got it as part of my BizSpark subscription but if I didn't, I'd still probably buy it now because the price point is so low and I figure I might as well be on the latest version of things.
10:58am 28/10/12 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9821 posts
For the $15 thing, does it actually verify your proof of purchase, or can you just put in your key and tell it you bought it this year after june and get the $15 deal?

The key will have been an OEM key activated after June this year.
11:04am 28/10/12 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5640 posts
Just throwing it out there but why not buy a technet sub and get all the other stuff as well. I am not using a technet sub at the moment (SPLA) and win8 ent

last edited by HerbalLizard at 11:27:35 28/Oct/12
11:24am 28/10/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1980 posts
I just picked any random date in the period they tell you, chose Harvey Norman, HP, and picked a model off their site. Worked for me.
11:30am 28/10/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
8031 posts
They've changed the $15 thing, it now asks for your Windows 7 key.
12:06pm 28/10/12 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3817 posts
Windows 8 wouldn't shut down and kept on restarting due to a driver issue. Now created a new install which is what I should have done to begin with anyway.

Anyone know how to pin the non metro Chrome to the the start menu and have it stay after you close it?
12:48pm 28/10/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3569 posts
Make a chrome desktop shortcut. Right click. Pin to start. Remove metro chrome tile.
12:52pm 28/10/12 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3818 posts
I tried that but every time I close Chrome it removes the link from Start.
01:00pm 28/10/12 Permalink
bepatient
Melbourne, Victoria
1100 posts
If anyone dislike not having the start menu, check this out: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
01:26pm 28/10/12 Permalink
konstie
Melbourne, Victoria
2016 posts
If anyone dislike not having the start menu, check this out: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/


anyone try this? seems pretty good
03:48pm 28/10/12 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5641 posts
I am thinking of buying stardock shares
04:38pm 28/10/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
8033 posts
Yeah, I've installed the trial for Start8. It's really good, I'll probably buy it when the trial's up.
07:02pm 28/10/12 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
9744 posts
Funny story about ME being universally known as rubbish, it was the ONLY version of windows that would run stable on one of my friends PC's. Every other version would crash but ME would run wonderful. None of us knew what the f***.


it loved Intel chipsets.. didn't like Via so much. Gamers were mostly Via chipset fans back then irc



I'm running Win 7 on a MacBook Air (never boot OSX) will it behave if I run an upgrade?


mine works fine



I tried to get it for $15 and I got rejected



wait a sec...



The key will have been an OEM key activated after June this year.



hence peeps who install Win7 with the OEM crack after June this year get the $40 version



If anyone dislike not having the start menu, check this out: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/



and then run Malwarebytes and HitmanPro to remove the Spy/Malware


last edited by koopz at 21:33:26 28/Oct/12

last edited by koopz at 21:34:05 28/Oct/12
09:28pm 28/10/12 Permalink
andrewus
Brisbane, Queensland
2843 posts
I tried the star dock one and found it s*** compared to "classic shell"
10:23pm 28/10/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3570 posts
Are people really finding the fullscreen start menu that bad?
10:30pm 28/10/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
8034 posts
I don't dislike it, I just don't see a reason not to also have the regular Start menu when I'm in Desktop mode.
11:27pm 28/10/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
20828 posts
If anyone dislike not having the start menu, check this out: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

I prefer classic shell for that windows 98 (and xp I think?) style fold out menu, not the scrolling bs menu in later versions.
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
it loved Intel chipsets.. didn't like Via so much. Gamers were mostly Via chipset fans back then irc
Worse, I'm pretty sure he had a CYRIX! or some other bulls*** chipset.
11:40pm 28/10/12 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3819 posts
Getting use to the new start menu already. Can't complain for $15.
11:43pm 28/10/12 Permalink
StopShootingMe
Brisbane, Queensland
3581 posts
I upgraded two copies of Vista to Windows 8 for $15 each. You'd think the online activation would say "Wait up, you're trying to to upgrade Vista with the special Windows 7 promo code? Nup!"

But it was all sweet. So far the new interface impresses, will take some getting used to but I have to take my hat off to MS for trying something new.
11:50pm 28/10/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
20829 posts
are the upgrade versions locked to the hardware you're currently using, like previous versions of oem windows are?
12:53am 29/10/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
6163 posts
are the upgrade versions locked to the hardware you're currently using, like previous versions of oem windows are?
Other versions of windows just don't internet-authenticate. If you call the toll-free number, plug in the 20~ numbers and type in the 20~ numbers then you can re-use your serial on another machine as long as the old machine is out of service.

So if it's the same as XP, Vista, Win7 then yes, but it's not really 'locked'.
01:01am 29/10/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2292 posts
Just used the Windows 8 Upgrade Assistant and man that thing is a total piece of s***.

First of all it irritates me that using the Upgrade Assistant is the only way to purchase Windows 8 from Microsoft, secondly the address fields don't have a country field, thirdly you can't purchase multiple keys so you have to do a separate transaction for every single key you want to buy, and finally they give you the option to go back and edit the information you entered at any step, but if you do that it forgets everything that was entered after the step you went back to and you need to enter all those things all over again! Oh and the terms and conditions are opened specifically in Internet Explorer even though they are just a s***** PDF.

Seriously Microsoft, what the f***?
11:38am 29/10/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12987 posts
Hmm. 2 days ago:
Upgrade process from windows 7 was very smooth and easy for me.

Today:
Just used the Windows 8 Upgrade Assistant and man that thing is a total piece of s***.

Did they f*** with it or something, or are user experiences really that varied? :) NFI personally as I got mine from MSDN a while back.
01:18pm 29/10/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10366 posts
The only thing I found frustrating is that the windows 8 installer mapped my keyboard wrong, with all kinds of crazy british symbols. It never asked me to specify it. Then it asked me to type my email address, and I had to hit like every key on my keyboard to find the @ symbol.

Then on the NEXT page there was an option to change the keyboard map.
01:29pm 29/10/12 Permalink
Mosfx
Gold Coast, Queensland
1275 posts
I had the same issue with the keyboard, but there is an option in the lower left of the screen to change the keyboard lol
02:20pm 29/10/12 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
7615 posts
All I got is that you've arbitrarily decided that anyone who likes windows8 is a MS fanboy.


I got that too :D

OH SNAP
02:35pm 29/10/12 Permalink
Persay
Brisbane, Queensland
7582 posts
good for corporate offices you guyz thinks?
02:52pm 29/10/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3572 posts
Nope, but Ms are having enough trouble getting people onto seven from xp, so why not f*** with the ui a little, and then when windows 9 comes out the trickle effect from home/xbox/phone/etc use will make it easier in the future with the ui formerly known as metro version 2.
02:58pm 29/10/12 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3820 posts
The only thing I found frustrating is that the windows 8 installer mapped my keyboard wrong, with all kinds of crazy british symbols. It never asked me to specify it. Then it asked me to type my email address, and I had to hit like every key on my keyboard to find the @ symbol.


On one of the first pages it asks for your language, if you choose english uk I think it defaults the keyboard to UK. I did the same thing the first time but choose the right keyboard layout the next.
03:58pm 29/10/12 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7840 posts
Installed on my Macbook air, upgrade from windows 7 went well

But I have no mouse

:(
04:55pm 29/10/12 Permalink
arkter
Gold Coast, Queensland
970 posts
lol stupid upgrade thing took my dollars then said 'Initialization failed'. Only option is 'close'.

lol.

nothing emailed to me, restarting the upgrade app puts me back at square one.

kind of lol'd
05:29pm 29/10/12 Permalink
Fixah
Brisbane, Queensland
7133 posts
Yeah I was getting a " instead of an @ symbol so logic told me that if i pressed the " key i should get the @ symbol.

Logic was right.

Logic 1, Win 8 0
06:15pm 29/10/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2293 posts
Did they f*** with it or something, or are user experiences really that varied? :) NFI personally as I got mine from MSDN a while back.

I think the UX would be really smooth and easy if all you wanted to do was install one copy of Win 8 on one PC and were purchasing it on that PC and your billing address was in the same country as the country you were living in and you didn't want to go back and edit any of your details or do anything else at all. In all other cases, however, it seems that the Upgrade Assistant is awful.

From this and the mistake of setting keyboard layout to match language instead of allowing it to be set separately, MS obviously need to work on their use cases.
09:04pm 29/10/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2294 posts
And on top of all that, once the Upgrade Assistant has finished downloading the installer, you can either create a bootable USB or an ISO but not both, now it seems I have to download it all over again just to create the other type of install media. Scratch that, I found a link to the installer on the Desktop that lets me create media again, would be nice if any of this was made clear in the initial process though. And now, after creating an ISO it gives me a link to "Open DVD Burner" which just brings up command-line instructions from the "Windows Disc Image Burner" and then quits, brilliant.

Lastly, at no point in this process has it mentioned anywhere whether this is 32- or 64-bit Windows, maybe the installer is awesome and will let me choose before it starts or something, but the fact that it doesn't say it anywhere is really annoying.

All this lack of information and options, seemingly thinking that it knows what you want better than you do, and the less you know the better stuff is all a bit too Apple for my liking.
09:09pm 29/10/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7845 posts
For anyone wanting to get this kind of look, head over to this thread and download the tile program. Pretty simple to use, just add the file path and give it a tile icon (Steam games work well for it like in the picture below). Also you can group tiles together by holding ctrl and scrolling out, right clicking the tile "set" and naming it.

http://i.imgur.com/IRqBql.jpg
12:38am 30/10/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
8037 posts
Eorl, I think you accidentally a link.
01:27am 30/10/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4438 posts
For anyone wanting to get this kind of look, head over to this thread and download the tile program. Pretty simple to use, just add the file path and give it a tile icon (Steam games work well for it like in the picture below). Also you can group tiles together by holding ctrl and scrolling out, right clicking the tile "set" and naming it. http://i.imgur.com/IRqBql.jpg


You forget to put your link in Erol?
01:28am 30/10/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4439 posts
I miss my Aero theme :(

Stupid flat colours are stupid.
01:29am 30/10/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2298 posts
Pretty sure Eorl intended to link to something referring to the app called OblyTile.
02:34am 30/10/12 Permalink
3x0dus
Townsville, Queensland
1653 posts
lol stupid upgrade thing took my dollars then said 'Initialization failed'. Only option is 'close'.


Did you pay via PayPal ? whirlpool has users with similar issue when payment made via paypal.
07:52am 30/10/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7846 posts
Haha, I seem to have forgotten that link indeed, ah well thanks kos, chucked it back in.
09:20am 30/10/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12996 posts
I miss my Aero theme :(Stupid flat colours are stupid.

Yeh this was my biggest WTF about Metro and its taking a long while to get over it tbh. 2012, hundreds of dollars of hardware, and its all so PLAIN
07:54pm 30/10/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2302 posts
Found this about 32 or 64-bit, I assume the Upgrade Assistant just downloads an installer that matches the bit level of your currently installed version of Windows...
Can I upgrade from a 32-bit version of Windows to a 64-bit version of Windows 8?
Yes, but you can't do this using Upgrade Assistant. If your PC has a 64-bit capable processor (CPU) but is currently running a 32-bit version of Windows, you can install a 64-bit version of Windows 8, but you'll need to buy Windows 8 as a DVD.

Not only is it stupid that this information is hidden away (much like any and all information about Windows 8) but why couldn't they just put a simple choice of 32 or 64-bit in the Assistant?

Makes me wish I had an MSDN subscription just so they'd stop doing an Apple and giving me no information or choices.
08:22pm 30/10/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13002 posts
4 million upgrades sold since the 26th.

Not bad, I think they had the right strategy with a low upgrade price. They really need to leverage that desktop install base to provide incentive to develop Metro apps that will magically boost the app count for tablet and phone.

If the Lumia also works out this could be a big win for MS. Windows devs are f*****g legion.
10:14am 31/10/12 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7842 posts
Yeah so I'm just reinstalling windows 7 haha
01:22pm 31/10/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10386 posts
Is there an app to make everything a window? Cos it's windows...
I get very disturbed when I click something and it TAKES OVER THE WHOLE SCREEN
01:23pm 31/10/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10391 posts
I've discovered you can alt tab out of those full screen things, so it's not so bad. I didn't even think to do that because I felt so trapped by what i saw.
09:19pm 01/11/12 Permalink
Vash
3614 posts
I upgraded but find i forget i actually upgraded. I'm using it like windows 7, rarely using the win 8 / metro interface.
12:26am 02/11/12 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
8010 posts
It's unfair but funny

First experience using Windows 8 - drunk

10:12am 10/11/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3600 posts
I'm using a win-x(right click start menu) expander so I can use a combination of metro, desktop start menu, quick launch, pinned to taskbar and physical keyboard shoetcuts depending on what I'm doing and what I want to do.
10:22am 10/11/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
6186 posts
She said one thing on there i totally understand.

"It's like a f*****g treasure hunt". :P
10:51am 10/11/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10447 posts
alright been using it for a few weeks now I guess and I haven't found the metro and lack of start button beneficial, they slow me down quite a bit
12:26pm 10/11/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2326 posts
Yeah, I've all but given up on Windows 8 for my main desktop PC after a week of using it myself as well.

Everything takes longer and is more awkward, and that is definitely not due to me not knowing where everything is because after a week I know where everything is that I need.

I wouldn't have minded the Start Screen/Metro so much if it wasn't so half-arsedly implemented.
Things in Metro like:
- there being no built-in file browser,
- that you can't snap 2 Metro apps to use exactly half each of your big widescreen monitor,
- the fact that you can only use one Metro browser, and to do that the browser has to be set as the default browser for all of Windows,
- that I have 2 completely different versions of programs like Chrome, Skype and IE installed in the same OS but they're totally unrelated and unaware of each other, and
- that there seems to be at least 2 different control panels, if not more.

And this account syncing seemed like a great idea until settings that I actually want to be different on different machines update across all machines as I set them on one locally.

Also I really miss the Aero theme, this totally flat, totally solid colour desktop theme makes windows and their positions and borders so much harder to identify. I realise they removed Aero to save battery life on mobile devices but that's no reason to not allow me to have it on my desktop PC, and they could easily keep Aero and still have sharp edges as they had in the Developer Preview version.

And I still haven't heard a decent reason as to why I can't have both a Start Sceen and a Start Menu.

I could go on (like about how the Desktop is made to seem like another Metro app with the drag to close thing, etc. but doesn't actually close anything) but instead I think I'm just going to go back to Windows 7. Can't say I didn't try!

P.S. Quite liking it on my HTPC though, trying to stay in metro as much as possible but it's a real shame there isn't a Metro version of Windows Media Center (again about the half-arsed implementation of Metro..) if they really want people to embrace their new UI then they could have at least shown some serious commitment to it.

Their Metro Music and Video programs aren't terrible, but they're way too purchase-centric and actual content that you already have almost seems like a second thought, not to mention the fact that there's no way to make the Video app play DVDs or Blu-rays, even if you were prepared to pay extra for that.
07:38am 11/11/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4442 posts
Yep. Really not happy with Win8. I CBF reinstalling Win 7 yet though. So I've made Win 8 less ugly with 2 things:
True Transparency which kinda gives you Aero back and Chrome with a nice skin on it. I try and spend no time at all in that s*** start menu thing.
01:14pm 11/11/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3605 posts
Use win-x extender and right click on the start tile (or press win-x), then you can use modern ui, a desktop start menu, quick launch, keyboard shortcuts, pin to taskbar as you see fit.
04:49pm 11/11/12 Permalink
Jabroney
Queensland
1381 posts
no problems with windows 8

i find it snappier and generally things seem to run smoother

rarley use metro stuff
07:26pm 11/11/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
8048 posts
I'm pretty much using Win 8 like Win 7. Not going into the Metro UI because I have no need to. It also seems faster than Win 7, and games seem to have more consistent framerates. Not higher or lower, just more consistent.

That drunk Win 8 video certainly highlights a few glaring issues with the new UI. Staying on the desktop has been fine though, I haven't lost anything.
08:54pm 11/11/12 Permalink
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