Core i7 Build (bloody BF3)
So yeah, I purchased BF3 and realised my computer is a piece of s***, it's been 5 years since I've built a new one (med-high end at least)
Anything I could change/improve/drop etc? http://i.imgur.com/EvKO8.png |
12:05pm 02/11/11 Permalink
nice build, yeah i would personally go for 2 x 4gb sticks. The rest is awesome
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12:11pm 02/11/11 Permalink
ah i was wondering which of the i7s was the newer one, that pretty much changes everything (ram, cpu & mobo) ..
whats a decent mother board for the 1155 (I'm thinking the Intel Core i7 2600 LGA1155 3.4GHz) that wont waste my money like im buying a decent video card, so I don't care about on board video |
12:12pm 02/11/11 Permalink
yer s***, i need to upgrade too :(
i guess no bf3 for me for a while |
12:12pm 02/11/11 Permalink
Isn't it a general rule to go the i5 2500K for gaming purposes? PSU seems overkill, could goto an 850W and put the left over into the 8gb ram.
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12:15pm 02/11/11 Permalink
ffffffffffffff now I'm looking at upgrading too. Although I don't know why since despite buying BF3 I haven't been able to play it (LOOKING AT YOU FIXAH)
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12:15pm 02/11/11 Permalink
Shouldn't need the braket, 2.5" OCZ's normally come with them though I've only bought the vertex, not the agility. Personally I've had less issues using Corsair ssd's than OCZ though.
Regarding the RAM, if you were considering putting a second 6Gb triple kit in there, may as well just get 3x 4Gb sticks, then if you really want, you have the option of upping it to 24Gb down the track :) You can get a 12Gb kit for $189 from PC Case Gear. http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=186_538_914&products_id=16138 |
12:17pm 02/11/11 Permalink
you wont ever need that much ram, EVAR.
and definately not triple kits if you are getting the newer i7. |
12:21pm 02/11/11 Permalink
thought i'd just throw it out there and say my radeon HD3870 with x555 2 core AMD CPU runs the game fine in the lower to mid settings.
maybe just upgrade your video card? |
12:22pm 02/11/11 Permalink
how about this?
http://i.imgur.com/g6TPT.png maybe just upgrade your video card? fastest PC i have is a core2 duo heh |
12:24pm 02/11/11 Permalink
Hi Teq. Take a look at the screenshot of the CPU benchmarks in this thread:
http://www.ausgamers.com/forums/general/thread.php/3124297 The CPU IneptHG was talking about (i5 2500K) is $94 cheaper and just about every bit as fast. Food for thought big guy. Edit: your all over it :) Nice one. |
12:25pm 02/11/11 Permalink
nah i7 over i5, games use all the cores now... back in the day dual were faster then quads.... power supply is little over the top even if u do add another GPU in.
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12:26pm 02/11/11 Permalink
ok, so I dropped the 1kw psu in favor of a coolermaster 850w modular job - saved 40 bucks
16gb 1600mhz ram (corsair), asus gtx570, i5 2500k and gigabyte ga-z68xp + ocz 120gb sound about right? |
12:32pm 02/11/11 Permalink
All i7's have the same amount of cores as the i5 I mentioned, different number of threads (which don't impact games). Unless you're talking about the 1366 i7 980 or 990X - an extra $400.
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12:37pm 02/11/11 Permalink
hell yeah they are, I'm trying to figure out if I should go the gigabyte ga-z68xp or the Asus P8Z68-V LE?
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12:43pm 02/11/11 Permalink
This is what I bought a few weeks back..
Intel CORE i5 2500K Corsair Force Series 3 120GB Asus P8Z68-V PRO MB Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) Coolermaster GX-750W Asus GF GTX 570 ENGTX570-DCII PCI-E 2.0 1280MB DDR5 320bit It was a whole tower so there's the other usual crap you get, cost me $1600. Haven't had any issues and runs BF3 on ultra no sweat. If your getting a Asus gtx570 make sure its the DCII's and not the original. Runs cooler! |
12:43pm 02/11/11 Permalink
Teq. Anothe rlink to check out.
Its a full (very detailed) side by side comparo of the two CPU's being spoken about. Long story short, if I was you, I'd spend the extra $94 to get the extra grunt. I do a bit of video editing and rendering where there is a bigger difference again. http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i5-2500k-and-core-i7-2600k-review/16 |
12:43pm 02/11/11 Permalink
so that build is pretty much exactly what I had Olx, I'll check out the DCII on the 570
E.T. Make up your mind! :P how's this ? (try #23098452) http://i.imgur.com/G1VPd.png |
12:50pm 02/11/11 Permalink
PSU is over kill, go 700W and you'll do fine, or even 750W. Go i5 2500k, and a Gigabyte GTX 570. 8GB of DDR3 1600MHz or more RAM is fine. Get a SSD if ya want, but they're expensive atm.
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12:50pm 02/11/11 Permalink
expensive, BUT WORTH IT.
fix is out for most of the sandforce issues waiting for maps to load is for chumps |
12:53pm 02/11/11 Permalink
Teq i like the build.... got my approval!
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12:55pm 02/11/11 Permalink
will an aftermarket cooler for an 1156 chipset fit onto an 1155?
all the umart ones seem to be for 1156 |
01:14pm 02/11/11 Permalink
If you guys actually want a stable SSD, skip the OCZ/Corsair ones and go the Crucial M4 series.
The Crucials are rock solid and have a proven track record - compared to the other two brands where the recent BSOD 'fixes' haven't been out long enough to see if it stops them from crashing in the medium to long-term - and for some these recent fixes don't fix anything. |
01:15pm 02/11/11 Permalink
will an aftermarket cooler for an 1156 chipset fit onto an 1155? Generally they are fine but you wanna check you specific one first. My one (CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ CPU Cooler) works fine for both. Apart form that I'm in agreement with what everyone else has said. So up the ram or at least use 2x4gb sticks instead of 3 x2gb and I'd drop the PSU. I currently have a gtx570 with 12gb ram and and i7 2600k running perfectly on a Corsair HX-750 power supply. Also, from what I have noticed my i7 has little to no benefit for gaming over a similar system with a 2500 so that's another thing to consider if you wanna save some cash. |
01:20pm 02/11/11 Permalink
.....must resist posting about consoles.....
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01:23pm 02/11/11 Permalink
ok so, I checked out those M4 drives - they seem legit
I figured that a $300 mobo is probably way over kill so I dropped that down a bit this is what I think i'm going to settle on, plz 2 critique for me and I'll hit the buy button when I come back from lunch! http://i.imgur.com/FKSCs.png edit: + this Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO w Transparent 12cm PreorderETA $38.00 |
01:24pm 02/11/11 Permalink
i got my new i7-2600k today :D 16gb dual chan ram, gtx580 vid card, 120gb ssd.. it's caining :D Frogbots fly around like mad bastards now Demon ? |
01:24pm 02/11/11 Permalink
you wont ever need that much ram, EVAR. I kept running out on 6GB before I'd even fired up VMs. Went to 12 and haven't had any particular problems since. Anyway, my 2c: While I'm on 1366 myself, I'd just advise you go 1155 w/2600K or 2700K. The most expensive 1155 processors are far cheaper than most 1366 ones, and performance wise, much better bang for buck. I would also advise caution on OCZ 3 series drives. While it doesn't always hold true, I've had nothing but dramas with mine as my boot drive. If I personally had to do it over again, I'd get a Corsair. If you're set on getting an OCZ A3, ensure you do plenty of research first with that particular motherboard/drive combo to avoid situations where the HDD just drops out. Will you be re-using your existing case? I think going with the higher end 850W PSU you've selected is more sensible than maybe running short and saving a few dollars. |
01:24pm 02/11/11 Permalink
ok so, I checked out those M4 drives - they seem legit More information, read: * Crucial: 128GB :: 64GB * Corsair Force 3 (click Reviews, filter to 1-star reviews, then read the BSOD reviews) * OCZ Agility 3 120GB :: 60GB (again, filter at 1-star and read BSOD/crash reviews) (EDIT: fixed Corsair link) last edited by parabol at 13:45:04 02/Nov/11 |
01:35pm 02/11/11 Permalink
you wont ever need that much ram, EVAR Absolute rubbish. Windows uses almost your entire 'free' RAM as disk cache for previously/frequently accessed data and won't flush it out until an application actually requests a heap of ram. Since RAM is faster than both solid-state and mechanical drives, while you're running a program or game - the disk should be sitting there mostly idle, and load times faster after everything is loaded for the first time. |
01:43pm 02/11/11 Permalink
You could get the Coolermaster V8 as a aftermarket CPU cooler. Does the job bloody well. Idles at 30 degrees for me. Also, get a good gaming mouse. I use the Coolermaster Sentinel Advance, does it damn well.
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01:47pm 02/11/11 Permalink
thanks parabol, very informative - I'll stick with the Crucial drive
deadlyf - because I'm not paying for it, work is the only reason I can see to not buy extra ram would be money, but ram is so cheap I figure i'd fill it up with 4x4gbs? |
01:47pm 02/11/11 Permalink
Hahaha, Same thing for me today (damn BF3). Just picked up
i7 2600k 3.4GHz 16GB (4x4GB) Corsair Vengance ASUS P8Z68-Deluxe 2x OCZ 60GB Solid3's Win7 x64 pro Guess what I'm doing tonight..... |
01:48pm 02/11/11 Permalink
yep, so that's exactly what I just ordered except I got a single 128gb ssd instead of 2 x 60s and I've got a VLK for x64 win7 pro
its almost a shame to put all these shiny parts into an old piece of s*** case thanks team, you've saved me from ordering the old i7!@ |
02:00pm 02/11/11 Permalink
hope your case isn't too old and you have to cut out a peice of the hard drive cage to get your video card to fit :]
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02:05pm 02/11/11 Permalink
i have previously had a 4870 or something in it, but yeah it was back in 2006/2007
card was stlll huge.. I was going to throw a full tower lian li case on the build but something tells me the boss might baulk at the idea of paying $400~ for my @home "work pc" :D the case I have is a cooler master, but it's been sitting in a shed for nearly 2 years collecting dust - i'll strip it and give it a clean out with some compressed air, see how it turns out |
02:27pm 02/11/11 Permalink
you wont ever need that much ram, EVAR yer, it would excellent value for money going 24gig of ram, the benefits would far outweigh the cost /facepalm |
02:34pm 02/11/11 Permalink
I don't understand why everyone is gay for SSDs, Sure its faster but you can get 2 X 2TB HDDs for $200 roughly.
Video card is good. i5 2500k like others are suggesting. 650-750 PSU. More Ram, 8GB is good. Get a sexy case and you will be good to go. |
02:40pm 02/11/11 Permalink
yer, it would excellent value for money going 24gig of ram, the benefits would far outweigh the cost Your argument was soley about the raw amount of RAM quoted not being useful in any way, which I showed was wrong. Now you're strawman-ing and pretending I claimed it was good value. HOWEVER, a quick look at prices and it's fairly obvious that getting 24GB of ram isn't exactly expensive. If you're not switching your PC off every hour or two, chances are heaps of your stuff will end up and stay in ram, with write-throughs to disk being the most common activity. Leave superfetch on and a s***load of your commonly-used apps will be smartly pre-loaded into RAM and kept there for ages - with your drive hardly being touched at 'load' time. |
02:51pm 02/11/11 Permalink
I don't understand why everyone is gay for SSDs, Sure its faster but you can get 2 X 2TB HDDs for $200 roughly. An SSD for the OS and frequently used apps/games to take advantage of the ridiculously low latency. Mechanical drives for storage and speed non-critical purposes. I thought that was common practice? |
02:55pm 02/11/11 Permalink
What Parabol said.
I already have 2x 2TB drives in my box, why woul I buy 2 more? I'll take 2x 60GB SSD's in RAID-0 for the OS and gaming, then all other dataz are stored on the normal drives. |
03:01pm 02/11/11 Permalink
It is common practice if you have the extra $$$ I guess. It would be nice to have but I can do with out it.
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03:58pm 02/11/11 Permalink
yeah I already have a dedicated NAS box for storing
as for the ram, it's so damn cheap there really is no reason you wouldn't drop an extra $50 to get 12gb over 6gb? |
04:10pm 02/11/11 Permalink
It is common practice if you have the extra $$$ I guess Extra $$$? You can get a Crucial 64GB SSD for $135, more than enough storage for OS + one or two frequently-played games. Not exactly much on top of a $1500 system ... but the response/performance boost you get is incredible. last edited by parabol at 16:16:29 02/Nov/11 |
04:14pm 02/11/11 Permalink
SSD's are great for load times, and so on, I have my OS on one, and then 6 other hard drives,
as for ram, I'm running 12, and while you may not "need" that much, it is nice knowing that all much slots are full, and no matter how much s*** is having running, the system has never been taxed (as far as RAM and CPU go (i5 2500) besides, there should be a new windows in the next 5 years and god only know how much the new photoshop is going to tax things, so breathing room is nice |
04:26pm 02/11/11 Permalink
lol bf3 is making me upgrade aswell.. Ordered these parts this morning.
Noctua NH-U12P Special Edition SE2 $74.50 Corsair HX-750 ATX Power Supply, 140mm Fan $189.00 Noctua Intel Kit LG775/1156/1366 Clip $5.00 (works with 1155 socket) CoolerMaster RC-692-KKN2 Advanced Bay Tower Gaming Case $112.00 G Skill 8G(2x4G) DDR3 1600Mhz PC12800 $68.00 Intel Core i7 2600K Processor LGA1155 3.4GHz CPU $338.00 OCZ Agility 3 120G SATA3 SSD $209.00 ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Z68-Gen3 $179.00 total = $1174.50 I've already got a 6950 in my old machine so i'll just be using that for the time being and jump on the next gen cards that come out. about time i upgraded from my s***** q6600 :P |
04:44pm 02/11/11 Permalink
dont buy asus.. i just bought the gainwood gtx570 and its awesome
also whats the price dif for the crucial M4 SSD 128 |
05:18pm 02/11/11 Permalink
Battlefield 3 and Skyrim - Making Hardware vendors jump with joy. lol :D
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05:21pm 02/11/11 Permalink
I don't understand why everyone is gay for SSDs, Sure its faster but you can get 2 X 2TB HDDs for $200 roughly. I can only assume you haven't got one in your machine, because SSD's are f*****g awesome. Wish I had got one sooner. |
06:03pm 02/11/11 Permalink
and now I ask.. why does everyone always go the i5/i7 K series chips? Yes they're unlocked, but unless you're splashing out for a decent HS+F for it and overclocking it, there's no point. Go the standard i5/i7 if you're not a mad-keen overclocker.
Exhibit A - i5-2500 Exhibit B - i5-2500K i5-2500K is unlocked, but has less virtualisation features, a smaller Heatsink and fan (they're assuming you're going to replace factory supplied one with something beefier to over-peen your CPU) and costs you more. It's the same with the i7-2600's. I'm just throwing that out there... |
08:20pm 02/11/11 Permalink
i did go a standard, (2500) and it rocks
that said, if (and it is unlikely seeing the type of people that are here) you went with an on board video option using the chip, the K would make sense (hd 2000, VS hd 3000) |
08:24pm 02/11/11 Permalink
cause it was $10 more was my thinking, in case I ever wanted to o/c it
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08:24pm 02/11/11 Permalink
A lot of the time when I'm selling this s*** at work, people honestly believe it's a better performing chip out of the box. It's like people selling non-hardware savvy teenage gamers Windows 7 Pro cause it's the "PRO" version. In reality, unless you're connecting to domain, there's no point in going pro. God there are some dumbass computer resellers around these days... *sigh*
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08:31pm 02/11/11 Permalink
I stick with win7 pro because back in the day you couldn't remote desktop into non-pro versions of winxp
also i have a vlk so whatevs, it's free ! |
08:45pm 02/11/11 Permalink
trudat. but how many nub teenage gamers are seriously RDP'ing into their machine? :P
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08:51pm 02/11/11 Permalink
Yeah I rock home edition windows, cos it was the cheapest one and who the f*** makes use of windows features anyway? :P
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09:07pm 02/11/11 Permalink
i got the 2500k also cause i knew i wanted a bigger quieter fan for it
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09:22pm 02/11/11 Permalink
nah i7 over i5, games use all the cores now... back in the day dual were faster then quads.... power supply is little over the top even if u do add another GPU in. Derp, i5 is a quad. Go i7 because work is paying for it. Parabol has the lowdown on SSd's which is good. So much research needed in them things thanks to them being a little.. weird at times. They seem to have issues sometimes just based on the controller, firmware, or if your woman is on her period. Which isn't exactly what you want on a boot drive. Looks like this thread needs no input from me at all. |
10:40pm 02/11/11 Permalink
Yeah teq that will fly. As for the i7, it's got the hyperthreading, and it's actually been shown to outperform an octo-core AMD CPU. That's with half the actual cores. Poor AMD.
I'd be getting an i7 just for future proofing anyway. My iMac has a 3.4GHz i7 2600 and I have 2x2 + 2x4GB ram for 12GB. Also, absolutely leave that SSD in there. Best decision you'll ever make. Ever. last edited by 3dee at 09:06:37 03/Nov/11 |
09:05am 03/11/11 Permalink
I cant decide. HELP
MSI GTX560 TI Twin Frozr II OC $255 or Gigabyte GF GTX 570 OC PCI-E 2.0 1280MB DDR5 2x Dual-Link DVI 1x mini HDMI Fan $389 For $130 more, am i going to see a huge increase in performance ? |
10:03am 03/11/11 Permalink
So for a bf3 build, a 560TI is going to be fine ?
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10:09am 03/11/11 Permalink
i guess it will be better than my gtx260 then
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10:16am 03/11/11 Permalink
Wow all this for one game.
It pains me when I think about the cost. As a console cost as much as a video card would. But F*** playing FPS games on console. S*** is lame. |
03:02pm 03/11/11 Permalink
As a console cost as much as a video card would. And look out how s*** the graphics are on console ports are compared to the PC versions these days. Not to mention people pay ~$900 when the consoles come out.. ~$100 for games.. when PC pays like $40-50 for games and upgrades once every few years.. pretty sure we're still cheaper :D |
04:25pm 03/11/11 Permalink
lols console gaming for anything but racing sims
action/shooters really do need a mouse, besides this PC is for more than just playing games during business hours it will run thunderbird and firefox! |
04:26pm 03/11/11 Permalink
halo was a good console game,
about it tho |
05:31pm 03/11/11 Permalink
Borrowed some of the info in here (+a load of reading) -- and finally ordered a new PC after 5-6yrs. woo!
Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3 // $155 Intel Core i7 2600K Processor LGA1155 3.4GHz CPU // $338 G Skill 8G(2x4G)DDR3 1600Mhz PC3-12800 CL8(F3-12800CL8D-8GB) x 2! (mm, 16gb) // $170 Crucial M4 128G SATA3 SSD // $245 Antec Nine Hundred Tower // $119 Antec ATX TruePower 750W // $137 Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO w Transparent 12cm // $39 Thermaltake ISGC AF0018 120mm Case Silent Fan // $17 Artic Silver 5 Thermal Grease // $15 Will do video card (currently 640mb 6600GTS) + 2nd monitor soon. |
03:06pm 12/11/11 Permalink
And BAM! It's home in 1hr. (40mins driving)
Nice and efficient. |
04:32pm 12/11/11 Permalink
I had a Nvidia 6600 ti back in the day, had a lot less VRAM than yours though..
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/images/115.jpg |
12:18am 13/11/11 Permalink
I think he means an 8800GTS. Pretty sure the Geforce 6 series topped out at 512MB on the 6800 Ultra.
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12:31am 13/11/11 Permalink
Anyone know much about Intel Smart Response Technology?
If I have a 128gb SSD + 1TB Spinpoint SATA drive... Can you install the OS on the SSD (say, 100gb partition) -- then on the remaining portion of the SSD, enable Intel Smart Response Tech and let it cache for the SATA HDD? I will have *some* files on the SSD (wifes big PSDs) - so they will always be fast... just wondering if I can do that for some other files via the automated feature. Or just stop being anal and do what seems logical, and just use SSD OS, +HDD storage. |
05:02pm 13/11/11 Permalink
Nevermind. Going the normal route... taking this s*** PC offline now!
Wooo |
05:53pm 13/11/11 Permalink
