Is nonconformity, freethinking a mental illness
Is nonconformity and freethinking a mental illness? According to the newest addition of the DSM-IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders), it certainly is. The manual identifies a new mental illness called “oppositional defiant disorder” or ODD. Defined as an “ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior,” symptoms include questioning authority, negativity, defiance, argumentativeness, and being easily annoyed http://www.prisonplanet.com/is-free-thinking-a-mental-illness.html Those people who were calling me Crazy were actually diagnosing me ! The Soviet Union used new “mental illnesses” for political repression. People who didn’t accept the beliefs of the Communist Party developed a new type of schizophrenia. They suffered from the delusion of believing communism was wrong. They were isolated, forcefully medicated, and put through repressive “therapy” to bring them back to sanity So next time The Government does something you disagree with be careful who you tell or you might end up in the looney bin. |
11:45pm 14/10/10 Permalink
So if you disagree you're a looney.
lol guess fpots in the clear |
11:49pm 14/10/10 Permalink
If I was you, I would certainly be afraid of being throw in the looney bin too.
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11:50pm 14/10/10 Permalink
yeah that DSM thing has always been full of s***
a lot of what is considered mental disorders are just normal human behaviours that don't fit in with society |
11:59pm 14/10/10 Permalink
Haha, I can't believe FaceMan actually reads Alex Jones' Prison Planet. That site is like a litmus test for crazy.
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12:01am 15/10/10 Permalink
If I was you, I would certainly be afraid of being throw in the looney bin too. I haven't really been paying attention so don't know the why for these feelings towards the OP, but from the sounds of things, wouldn't this be the dangerous quote here? Threatening others who aren't a threat and believing it to be justified? Bullying of the abnormal and thus believing it to be righteous? /rant |
12:10am 15/10/10 Permalink
Wow.. well if our government ends up doing what the Russians did, we would all be up for institutionalising.
But I doubt Australia will ever go Commy/Fascist. |
12:13am 15/10/10 Permalink
Is nonconformity, freethinking a mental illness Your asking "for a friend" right !? |
12:15am 15/10/10 Permalink
^1000 posts and you still haven't learnt faceman is the town crazy? Nah, but I've seen the implication. Seems... spirited. In my opinion normal ain't so great, so people picked on for not being normal I usually give the benefit of the doubt. I doubt Australia will ever go Commy/Fascist. I see these things as such whims of the passions and the times. We're pretty good now but who knows where we'll be in twenty years. Human beings are so pissy about money (myself included :D) when it comes to others having more in a way that breaks perceived fairness, and I do sometimes wonder if we're in for an inevitable caste system now that the cost of living (housing) has climbed so high without wages keeping up, suggesting the future may be one of non-home owners subjugated to home-owner dynasties. But who knows, it could all collapse tomorrow. But it sounds like the making for future angry socialist brooding. If so I totally called it. |
12:18am 15/10/10 Permalink
from noddy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_Defiant_Disorder *To meet DSM-IV-TR criteria, the defiance must interfere with the child’s ability to function in school, home, or the community; the defiance cannot be the result of another disorder, such as conduct disorder, depression, anxiety, or a sleep disorder. Finally, the behaviors must have been occurring for at least six months. |
12:20am 15/10/10 Permalink
And that'd be the DSM that was published in 2000. OMG, they've been doing this for 10 years! No wonder Howard got re-elected!
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12:24am 15/10/10 Permalink
Defined as an “ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior,” symptoms include questioning authority, negativity, defiance, argumentativeness, and being easily annoyed Holy crap it's me, how do they know? They're watching me :tinfoil hat: |
12:35am 15/10/10 Permalink
Because videos are unavailable due to being removed or privacy settings? :P
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02:14am 15/10/10 Permalink
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that is annoying anyways thanks for this thread, i told my gf about it, she works for the gubmint in a hospital, and now we got in a fight, all about how she's a government sheep and believes in all this s***, dont' worry guys Im sticking it to the man |
02:15am 15/10/10 Permalink
Try fiddling fiddle like properties on the video /helpful
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02:17am 15/10/10 Permalink
Acting with volition? We'll send the men in white coats...
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03:21am 15/10/10 Permalink
I've been locked up in the Nutjob ward of the RBH. It was fun upsetting the obsessive compulsives, one had this thing about cleanliness but smoked, I simply asked him why and he totally freaked. It was scarey and hilarious at the same time.
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04:17am 15/10/10 Permalink
video unavailable Maybe you sticking it to the man is why your GF is upset. You should be sticking it to her dude. |
08:02am 15/10/10 Permalink
It's a classic trick for any authority threatened by disssent to lock up protesters in the loony bin. The whole psychiatry industry is a joke anyways.
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08:39am 15/10/10 Permalink
Can't regular criminals now just claim they have ODD and go to an asylum instead of jail? e.g. My client committed armed robberies on banks all over the country because he has ODD and not because he's a criminal c*** that's trying to cheat through life.
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09:29am 15/10/10 Permalink
I don't think that's a particularly reliable resource...
And for the record, most psychiatrists are reluctant to diagnose a mental illness in childhood - adhd, oppositional defiant disorder, anorexia and depression being only a couple of the exceptions. Even in the case of oppositional defiant disorder, any diagnosis will only be made in regard to their age (teenagers usually rebel - so their behaviour has to be on the extreme end of rebellion and not culturally reasonable for the context they live in). It is important to note that diagnoses within the DSM IV often categorise people who are at the extreme ends of the range of human activity (whose thoughts and behaviours are well beyond the cultural norm that they were brought up with). Further to this, they will only usually be diagnosed with a mental illness if it effects their ability to live a normal daily life - get up in the morning, go to school/work, meet new people, live like a normal person psychologically. For example, someone who is extremely narcissistic and this affects their ability to happily form relationships with people, and then they can't keep friends or hold down a job - really at the extreme end of things. They might be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder and they would undergo psychotherapy with a dr or psychologist. Everything is put into context. That Soviet Union thing is just an example of abuse. You would be hard pressed finding that kind of thing happening in Australia. |
09:41am 15/10/10 Permalink
I've been locked up in the Nutjob ward of the RBH. why? |
09:43am 15/10/10 Permalink
This reminds me of catch 22.
Walk into doctors office during the war, doctor i want to go home, i cant stand this madness.. thats perfectly sane, there is no mental reason for you to not be here. Walk into a doctors office, doctor i love the war its awesome awesome glad your enjoying it. (truth be told though your f*****g nuts) |
09:49am 15/10/10 Permalink
all about how she's a government sheep and believes in all this s***, dont' worry guys Im sticking it to the man,i read this as your GF being a man? |
10:36am 15/10/10 Permalink
fyi DSM-IV is about 10 years old....
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11:17am 15/10/10 Permalink
DSM IV is awesome.. I grabbed wifeys copy and went straight to sexual disorders and can proudly say I got all time greatest high score!
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11:24am 15/10/10 Permalink
Also been locked up in the ward at RBH.
It's pretty f***ed the power cops have. I punched a couple of hole in my own wall when I was pissed off. I own the house and I figured it was worth it for some reason. It made a couple of loud bangs and the neighbours called the cops. I was in the process of fixing them when they cops turn up at the door. I told them why I did it and that I was fine and had blown off steam now, been under stress etc. For some reason they couldn't figure out why someone would punch a hole in their own house, so they sent me to the ward with the doors locked, after much protest with the doctors I got out in 6 hours. I did nothing illegal but was locked up anyway. Even gave a cop a smoke - rude. |
11:36am 15/10/10 Permalink
The door was open and they walked in...
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11:49am 15/10/10 Permalink
mmm, as someone who has punched holes in things, unless your neighbours are particularly idiotic, it couldn't make that so much sustained noise that the cops were called.
were you behaving like a lunatic as well? were you having a domestic dispute where you were both parties in the argument? |
12:05pm 15/10/10 Permalink
fyi DSM-IV is about 10 years old.... The DSM IV is currently being updated and the 5th version is due out in May 2013. In the scheme of things, the DSM IV is probably outdated in some areas however it takes time to gather sufficient evidence to allow changes within it. That being said, those medical and allied health staff relying on it are probably to some extent familiar with it's current flaws and where the changes are being made for the DSM V. I did nothing illegal but was locked up anyway. Even gave a cop a smoke - rude. Police have a duty of care to individuals and to the community. If they determine reasonable risk to warrant an assessment, they not only have to protect those involved but cover their arse to an extent. It's good to hear that when they assessed you, you were determined to be ok, but you have to respect the need to take persons away for assessment as deemed necessary. From memory, I think you need at least two police officers (or a medical staff member - not related to you) to determine that you should be assessed as well. Perhaps police don't have adequate training in determining if individuals pose a risk, but I respect them for not taking chances with anyone. |
12:06pm 15/10/10 Permalink
its a bit much sending u to get checked out after u have punched some holes in the walls... Who hasnt dont that before.
imagine if the cops rocked up everytime some kid had a rage over cs back in the day and belted his monitor. |
12:08pm 15/10/10 Permalink
The door was open and they walked in... they have no right to enter your premises without your consent unless they feel that someones life might be in danger I would have called the police and said the police have entered my house illegally |
12:11pm 15/10/10 Permalink
most psychiatrists are reluctant to diagnose a mental illness in childhood You know that for a fact do u? My misses use to work with psychiatrists and most of them are all about getting them on drugs as early as possible. Drug companies send them on holidays, pay them retarted amounts for speaking for 20min at a conference. So that when a kid comes in with sadness, cant concertate etc they just put them straight on this drug that will get them hooked for years. these days the trend is get them on drugs and calm them down. Parents cant be bothered dealing with normal child issues so they take them to the doctor, they are bombared with adds, messages about unhappy kids, signs etc so the parents think they are helping there kids by putting them on this medicine. The amount of kids that are put on dexies for adhd and are misdiagnosed is outstanding. |
12:15pm 15/10/10 Permalink
teq, that's my point, they obviously thought he was a threat to himself (i.e someone's life is in danger)
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12:15pm 15/10/10 Permalink
yeah see I would argue that they can't make that distinction from the outside of his house and from a single phone call where a neighbour said they heard a bang on a wall
banning on walls != life in danger, for all they know he was |
12:17pm 15/10/10 Permalink
The door was open and they walked in... they have no right to enter your premises without your consent unless they feel that someones life might be in danger 2 police vs the word of door, they would have made some ridiculous story up and would get away with it. "we saw a sawn off shotgun on the table, we entered with caution to find a male pounding his fists on the walls in some sort of a rage. We subdued him, realised the shotgun was a tv remote controll and took door to the crazy house for hrs of check ups and anal probing" |
12:18pm 15/10/10 Permalink
yeah - i was getting at the fact that there might be more to it than a few bangs on the wall
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12:19pm 15/10/10 Permalink
Nah, it just didn't happen like that. The door was open and they were responding to loud noises which would have been noted as domestic disturbance. Calling the police on the police wouldn't have made my night better. They just couldn't wrap their heads around someone punching their own house - which they said over and over to eachother. I'm pretty sure the police can enter a house with an open door if they are suspicous of anything.
Anyway, I really don't care about the details. That's how it happened and I shared my story. |
12:21pm 15/10/10 Permalink
oh and on topic - yes faceman i think you are mentally ill
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12:34pm 15/10/10 Permalink
its a bit much sending u to get checked out after u have punched some holes in the walls... Who hasnt dont that before. ME! I'm proud to say I've had the ability to control my rage enough to not damage myself or a wall .. plus we have brick walls. My misses use to work with psychiatrists and most of them are all about getting them on drugs as early as possible. Very true, Psychiatrists and their reliance and 'quick-fix' drug prescriptions are the bane of most Psychologists. Wifey has seen many people that were just put straight onto the drugs instead of being helped through whatever range of issues they had at the time. |
12:36pm 15/10/10 Permalink
haha they could enter every house in australia with " we entered the house due to suspicion of drug paraphernalia."
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12:45pm 15/10/10 Permalink
im afraid ur wrong door
The police can always enter your premises with your consent. However, if you withdraw consent, they must leave immediately. The police can only search premises with a warrant. If the police have a warrant, they can break open the premises to enter them if it is necessary. If the "raid" later proves to be unfounded, they generally pay compensation for any damage done. However, if criminal charges are later laid against any of the occupants, they generally do not pay compensation. The police must confine themselves to the terms of the warrant. they cant come in without a warrant or reasonable grounds to suspect someone is causing a serious crime |
12:55pm 15/10/10 Permalink
an open door and a reported bang isnt enough for them to tresspass and enter your house.
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12:57pm 15/10/10 Permalink
I don't think you're crazy at all faceman, you just have obvious emotional needs and this is how you satisfy them
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01:04pm 15/10/10 Permalink
my posts satisfy Jim because he spents a lot of his precious time responding to them.
I think the cops can enter your home too if they believe there is a health safety issue. We had the cops turn up at a Lan years ago we were having in a Unit and we were yelling out stuff like "Im gonna kill you" and well, violent stuff. Cops turned up after a complaint from one of the Unit neighbours and wanted to come in. We'd been smoking pot so the Owner was not keen to let them come in. They didnt like him saying No and said something like "We can enter if we wanted too" and he replied "Well Im saying No you cant come in" and the cops left after giving us a warning about noise. |
01:47pm 15/10/10 Permalink
I've told police not to come into a different house of mine years ago due to noise.
I dont care what they "can" do, this is what happened. They entered the house due to a complaint as the door was open. They then took me to the ward. I'm a built guy and probably seemed intimidating but I was in no way aggressive by the time they got there, I was fixing the walls. If they were prepared to take me to a ward, I really doubt they would have listened to me ask them to leave. As I told them the ward was not needed. They walked in, saw the damage and took me away. It was the damage which caused them to take me to the ward, the door was open and I didnt know they were coming. They can get around anything anyway. I remember they also noticed a script for vallium on my counter as I couldnt sleep well back then - they bought this up and told me they saw it - which they're also not allowed to do (private papers). A cop asked for a smoke off me and we had a chat - not something you'd ask if someone was being a nutter. The point is, if they were willing to take me away and place me in someone elses care, they wouldnt have listened to me telling them to go away once they were already inside. In any event, it was probably a good thing as I havent punched a wall again. |
02:44pm 15/10/10 Permalink
did you have a prior record ?
maybe they saw that and acted based on the evidence they had ? Why was your door open ? |
02:53pm 15/10/10 Permalink
Eh? No, but I now know there are potential consequences other than just a hole in the wall. It wasn't a good experience and I don't want that to happen again. If they let me go in 6 hours I think it's pretty simple to come to the conclusion I didnt need rehabilitation - it's not even there for that purpose anyway. God some s*** comes out of your mouth.
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03:17pm 15/10/10 Permalink
I know lol! Tell me about it LOL!!!!!!!
not bad, I've often tried to make some of the points he has just dominated there I'm by no means a word smith but I can't stand the "omg how r u?" types http://qgl.ausforums.com/index.php/439207/?agn=thread&id=2971092&startid=0 Yeah, that's you buddy. |
03:38pm 15/10/10 Permalink
teq:
* road rages at servos * lets people crash into his car to teach them a lesson * doesnt pay fines to cause ripples now who's insane? |
04:15pm 15/10/10 Permalink
teq:
owns an iPhone 4 instead of a Desire. |
04:20pm 15/10/10 Permalink
Door:
*Went to a hospital ward and was released in 6 hours proving it was not needed. *Owns his second home outright. Teq: *People think he should be in a ward. *Hypocrite *When his arguments prove faulty, slings s*** like a monkey. |
04:20pm 15/10/10 Permalink
These two argue like old people f***.
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05:06pm 15/10/10 Permalink
teq: BAZINGA |
05:08pm 15/10/10 Permalink
I've seen photos of teq, I'd rather look at a door. What's the difference? They both have blank expressions and a little knob. |
05:12pm 15/10/10 Permalink
And while teq doesn't own two homes, his
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05:14pm 15/10/10 Permalink
And while teq doesn't own two homes, his girlfriend is almost as big as one, so that kinda counts. +1 lol |
05:15pm 15/10/10 Permalink
I've seen photos of teq, I'd rather look at a door. What's the difference? They both have blank expressions and a little knob. Hahaha yeah i'll pay that. Only because you have a massive vag though. last edited by Door at 17:18:05 15/Oct/10 |
05:16pm 15/10/10 Permalink
door, at least you admit your shortcomings
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05:17pm 15/10/10 Permalink
What's the difference? They both have blank expressions and a little knob. Gabby wins this thread. |
05:26pm 15/10/10 Permalink
This is hilarious! I would like to see pix of teq and his |
05:37pm 15/10/10 Permalink
so that 6 hours inside rehabilitated you and you no longer feel the need to punch walls? For the record, i'm pretty sure if they just want to assess you, they can only hold you for something like 6-8 hours... they need to determine you to be an actual risk at the hospital to keep you any longer. Also...to the persons saying that psychiatrists over-prescribe drugs to children... - there are greater demands for psychiatrists these days, meaning most of them do just provide the drugs (sometimes a little counselling) AND THEN they send them off to the psychologists to provide counselling (admittedly, I think this is unfortunate and I would like to see psychiatrists offering more counselling but it's very expensive and there are a lot of good psychologists out there with appropriate training). - i don't know enough about ADHD in particular - perhaps they do tend to over-prescribe and perhaps this may be due to alterior motives (financial gain) OR perhaps the choice is offered to parents as it OVERALL is considered better to try medication then not try medication... BUT yes, I still stand by my statement that psychiatrists are reluctant to diagnose children with most mental disorders in childhood - especially bipolar and schizophrenia and the personality disorders (for a variety of reasons). This does not mean they will not offer treatment if the benefits outweigh the risks or if treatment in that individual circumstance is warranted. ADHD is a difficult one though and there is no one consensus as I understand on what the best treatment options are for children... let alone if it even is an actual diagnosis... |
09:42pm 15/10/10 Permalink
The Illuminati want everyone to be just like you Charlie.
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11:01pm 15/10/10 Permalink
The Illuminati want everyone to be just like you Charlie. Nahh, I think they'd prefer a bunch of crazies like that Faceman fella, then they could throw them in an asylum and drug them out of existence without the lolcontrailsfluride etc etc. |
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