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Why Left 4 Dead 2 was Banned in Australia
Dan
Special Text
Brisbane, Queensland
9589 posts
Earlier today it was revealed that the hotly anticipated zombie shooter sequel Left 4 Dead 2 had been refused classification by the Australian Classification Board, prohibiting sale of the game expected to arrive on our shores this November.

AusGamers has since obtained the board's official report and the stated reasons for banning appear to be as blunt as the game's cricket bat weapon.
The interactive nature of the game increases the overall impact of the frequent and intense depictions of violence. This coupled with the graphic depictions of blood and gore combine to create a playing impact which is high.
Read on as Dotarray examines the report in detail in this feature article.
02:45pm 17/09/09 Permalink
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Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
155 posts
I often ponder if its time well spent trying to avoid the fact that Humans are violent and destructive.
02:48pm 17/09/09 Permalink
giririsss
Brisbane, Queensland
3273 posts
Retarded, the whole thing.
02:53pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
156 posts
You can join the Army in a combat role under 18. Just throwing it out there.
02:57pm 17/09/09 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
5637 posts
But I doubt you'll be fightiing zombies.
03:01pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
4032 posts
Sometimes I wish I was a zombie.
03:03pm 17/09/09 Permalink
ctd
Brisbane, Queensland
7589 posts
Not really that worried about it TBH. Just order from overseas.

Also maybe if a high profile game goes to band camp permanently enough people will have a whine to get something done finally (probably not).
03:04pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Khel
Melbourne, Victoria
13595 posts
If this is censored and released in australia as a different version, I wonder if that means the server will be a different version. Like if you import it, you won't be able to connect to Australian servers because it will complain that you have a different version of the game...
03:06pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Tremble
Brisbane, Queensland
58 posts
If this is censored and released in australia as a different version, I wonder if that means the server will be a different version. Like if you import it, you won't be able to connect to Australian servers because it will complain that you have a different version of the game...


Maybe the australian version will have every melee weapon as a feather and we can tickle the zombies to death.
03:08pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
2458 posts
ctd, that's a work-around, not a solution. The solution is clear; but not for Michael Atkinson.
03:09pm 17/09/09 Permalink
luden
2 posts
I would LOVE for valve to make their servers compatable with any version of the game. That way they can covertly give the nod to Australians importing the game and playing it as they designed it.

Once I establish that international versions work on Aussie servers, I will have my credit card out faster than a 19 year old girl in a dress shop during the Boxing day sales.
03:10pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
4034 posts
I heard that with TF2 for example, which is heavily censored in Germany, even if they import and install a US copy of the game, the gore is still removed, simply because it's easy to see what country they're playing from. Being a Valve game, I'm sure they'll probably just do the same for Australia.
03:10pm 17/09/09 Permalink
ctd
Brisbane, Queensland
7590 posts
Wow that is gay Midda. How old is this south australian c***? Maybe he doesn't have much left in him.
03:17pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
2459 posts
I would like to buy one of the special dice that the OFLC rolls in order to classify games.

I would LOVE for valve to make their servers compatable with any version of the game.

And risk losing the market altogether when their platform is simply made illegal? I'm no business man, but...oh wait, I am a business man, and this is a ridiculous suggestion!
03:23pm 17/09/09 Permalink
luden
3 posts
@pinky.

They're not doing anything illegal. They're still selling their edited version of the game. If Australians runs the risk of importing games, it's not their concern. They can turn a blind eye and deliver updates appropriate to whatever version of the game they own.

And if they do make steam illegal. Awesome. It might finally get gamers off their asses and out protesting.
03:34pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Carson
Gippsland, Victoria
138 posts
F*** this s***.

Hopefully this title is enough to get us our f*****g R18+ rating.
03:58pm 17/09/09 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
7999 posts
If this is censored and released in australia as a different version, I wonder if that means the server will be a different version. Like if you import it, you won't be able to connect to Australian servers because it will complain that you have a different version of the game...


I doubt it. it's a few of server side video settings.. that's all.

people will enable god mode, play the game on their own servers with everything turned on just to see the difference.... then turn everything back for some better frames. no biggy.

hmm.. I wonder if the naked Zoey model is OFLC approved :/

04:00pm 17/09/09 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
8272 posts
would it still be banned if the infected were actually zombies. ie: already dead?

i think ive seen more gore in other games that havent been banned.


also i can see avp3 getting banned for the same reason.

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04:00pm 17/09/09 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
2657 posts
I think the difference is not everyone has access to an alien or a predator but a lot of people in Australia have access to a cricket bat, so it becomes a more realistic type of violence.
04:31pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
10327 posts
ban cricket
everyone wins
04:35pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
157 posts
hahahaha Jim I totally agree.
04:38pm 17/09/09 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
2658 posts
Here is a picture and bio of every member of this classifications board

http://www.classification.gov.au/www/cob/classification.nsf/Page/ClassificationinAustralia_Whoweare_ClassificationBoard_ClassificationBoardMembers

Let's make a flash game out of these pics where you get to slap those grins off their faces with a cricket bat.

04:43pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Nathan
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
3242 posts
Sure, you might import the game. Buts its an FPS so you obviously want Australian servers.

How many ISPs in Australia do you think will want to provide servers for a game that has been banned from sale?
04:46pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
9890 posts

How can I make a complaint about a classification decision?

You can make a complaint about a classification decision by writing to us by post, fax or email.

Contact details:
By Post: Locked Bag 3 Haymarket, New South Wales, 1240
By Fax: (02) 9289 7101
By Email: enquiries@classification.gov.au


04:53pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Dan
Special Text
Brisbane, Queensland
9591 posts
Let's make a flash game out of these pics where you get to slap those grins off their faces with a cricket bat.
It's not their fault that we don't have an R18+ rating though. All they've done is deem this game (in its present form) inappropriate for children under 15 years of age.
05:01pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
9893 posts
If Left 4 Dead 1 was given a free content update, that included the 'melee' weapons and dismemberment, would it then have its classification amended?

Once a game has been classified and released, then updated is it subject to reclassification?
05:04pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
9894 posts
05:12pm 17/09/09 Permalink
ara
Sydney, New South Wales
2814 posts

discuss it all your want, nothing is going to change until the SA attorney general changes.
05:30pm 17/09/09 Permalink
yamahabandit
Gold Coast, Queensland
3 posts
Cue snapshot of OLFC office - 12 people huddling under their desks cringing & muttering in low tones.. " it isnt real, its all in my head, it cant hurt us" .... Grow up people FFS. This IS the real world.

People need desensitizing, otherwise when the zombie apocalypse really does happen we'll all be hidding under our beds - instead of having a ball L4D style.
06:05pm 17/09/09 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
8000 posts
If Left 4 Dead 1 was given a free content update, that included the 'melee' weapons and dismemberment, would it then have its classification amended?


hopefully no one would ever be dumb enough to bring this question to the OLFC table. their answer would be as quick as it would be ludicrous.

06:52pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Mosfx
2 posts
That sucks I was waiting for that game :(
If they ever implement that internet firewall I'm moving.
06:55pm 17/09/09 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
8273 posts
07:05pm 17/09/09 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
8001 posts
dammit beaten by ravn0s
07:07pm 17/09/09 Permalink
konstie
59 posts
LOL classic.
07:15pm 17/09/09 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
8002 posts
hey I wonder if we're allowed to watch youtube instructional vids made in the US :/


does UT filter that stuff out now?

*edit*

nah I guess not
07:16pm 17/09/09 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
2661 posts
the classification on the game doesn't extend to videos I would imagine, and they do have some videos unavailable in certain countries but I don't think it has to do with ratings, just the company uploading the content only wants it shown to it's potential customers.
07:20pm 17/09/09 Permalink
r_mazing
Brisbane, Queensland
1379 posts
07:21pm 17/09/09 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
8274 posts
this just show how f*****g inconsistent the oflc is at rating games.
08:15pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Ivonin Turetsky
Brisbane, Queensland
47 posts
"Film about Tasmanian cannibal Alexander Pearce makes audience vomit" - News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,28383,26086150-7485,00.html)

I don't know about you, but how many of you guys vomited from playing a video game which has not been booze or medical related?

OFLC strikes again!
08:58pm 17/09/09 Permalink
rrrocket
Brisbane, Queensland
439 posts
Is it worth getting a parition going?
09:03pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Winston
Melbourne, Victoria
292 posts
This is f***ed.
09:05pm 17/09/09 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
2662 posts
r_mazing omg haha that is a reference to my awesome thread: http://qgl.ausforums.com/index.php/439207/?agn=thread&id=2776087
f*** me I never noticed that pic in the original thread

fkn madagascar
09:09pm 17/09/09 Permalink
FraktuRe
Gold Coast, Queensland
1225 posts
you're a douche thermite, just btw.
09:13pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
10331 posts
but often loveable
09:21pm 17/09/09 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
8275 posts
thermite the loveable douche.
09:27pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Merky007
Brisbane, Queensland
338 posts
how the f*** can dead rising be allowable and not l4d2? the only real difference is multi-player. whats the bet that they will RC dead rising 2?
10:06pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Khel
Melbourne, Victoria
13596 posts
Yeah, I'm with Dan, its hardly the OFLC's fault, they're just doing their jobs. If they had a rating above M15+ they'd just give it that instead of banning it, but at the moment, they have no choice.
10:25pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Pieman
Brisbane, Queensland
64 posts
so, worst case scenario - valve/ea cant come to an agreement with the ratings board.... we can still get the game from steam, but will isp's be able to legally host servers?
10:41pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Raider
Brisbane, Queensland
2671 posts
Game been banned for s*** that happens in RL as well, ban all the limb hacking 3rd world and probably western countries which are just more hushed.

The whole "can do the violence yourself" to me is such a retarded stance because you can also rewind and watch the same violence over and over again in a movie. People say the difference is you're physically inflicting it, but last time i checked you have to physically rewind something to watch it again, same s***.

F*** our rating system politics.
10:43pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Merky007
Brisbane, Queensland
339 posts
well the servers aren't selling it are they? there not distributing the game?
10:44pm 17/09/09 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
1731 posts
The only way Australia is going to get an 18+ rating is if companies like EB games start complaining and doing something about it. No amount of whinging from nerds and gamers will do anything.

In other words this is a great step forward.
11:04pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
4038 posts
so, worst case scenario - valve/ea cant come to an agreement with the ratings board.... we can still get the game from steam, but will isp's be able to legally host servers?

Steam is regionalised as well, so no, we wont be able to get it from Steam.
11:05pm 17/09/09 Permalink
Noonga
Perth, Western Australia
8 posts
Kill the government
12:15am 18/09/09 Permalink
Martz
Brisbane, Queensland
2308 posts
sometimes I really f*****g hate this country.. was really looking forward to this, and because it's refused classification, it makes me want to get it even more due to the apparant violence
06:52am 18/09/09 Permalink
Yerolo
Newcastle, New South Wales
22 posts
Importing this game may also be impossible due to the ban as well....as theres a good chance it will need to be registered in steam before playing, and as steam is region locked....it wont register :/
07:52am 18/09/09 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
129 posts
Honestly, f*** this s***.
08:21am 18/09/09 Permalink
Chucky
Brisbane, Queensland
50 posts
NO NO NO NO NO F*CK
11:51am 18/09/09 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
3628 posts
Every argument against an adult classification for games is f*****g retarded.

Rise up e-legions and take back your freedom, liberty! infi, I need a gun man, the revolution is here!
11:58am 18/09/09 Permalink
Fearless
Newcastle, New South Wales
1 posts
Load of garbage that it was banned, it just shows how stupid the board really is, to allow other similar titles which are just as bad *Or worse* then left 4 dead.
11:59am 18/09/09 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
1129 posts
it makes me want to get it even more due to the apparant violence

Thats the streisand effect for you
12:11pm 18/09/09 Permalink
Eds
Brisbane, Queensland
9080 posts
Some of you are idiots, its not the boards fault that there is no R18 classification , its f***wit family first type government whores.

If this was a movie, it would be classed R18+, unfortunatly, we dont have an R18+ rating for video games which is the s***** part.
12:13pm 18/09/09 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
6363 posts
It's the OLFC Board's way of helping everyone boycott L4D2 as it should have been made available as patched content instead.
12:37pm 18/09/09 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
8277 posts
If this was a movie, it would be classed R18+, unfortunatly, we dont have an R18+ rating for video games which is the s***** part.


it would probably be MA if it was a movie.
12:46pm 18/09/09 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
870 posts
I was looking forward to the changes in the AI designer in this one ...
(maybe games are more than violence?)
12:55pm 18/09/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
10338 posts
haha hermi
01:35pm 18/09/09 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
4041 posts
s theres a good chance it will need to be registered in steam before playing,

All Valve games require Steam to run, so it's not just a good chance, it's s certainty.

It's the OLFC Board's way of helping everyone boycott L4D2 as it should have been made available as patched content instead.

Shut up, pussy.
02:11pm 18/09/09 Permalink
Jim
1 posts
Show you support guys sign this petition http://www.petitiononline.com/l4d2inoz/petition.html
03:30pm 18/09/09 Permalink
FraktuRe
Gold Coast, Queensland
1227 posts
jim 2.0? :O
03:31pm 18/09/09 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
2673 posts
show me one petitiononline.com petition that got a government to change their mind about something
03:37pm 18/09/09 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
26257 posts
online petitions are awesome and acheive lots
03:40pm 18/09/09 Permalink
James
Adelaide, South Australia
4 posts
THATS F*****G DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:46pm 18/09/09 Permalink
Khel
Melbourne, Victoria
13597 posts
Thats a retarded petition, I don't even quite understand what its petitioning for. Does it want an exception made for Left 4 Dead 2 so that it can come out even though its unclassified? Does it want the abolishment of classification for games entirely? It doesn't even address the R18+ issue. sif sign that mess.
03:47pm 18/09/09 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
6369 posts
THATS F*****G DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the f*** does that even mean?
Are you trying to say something or just coming out of the closet as a wanna be praun?
04:28pm 18/09/09 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
8017 posts
hey since it came up - did anyone actually get affected by this..?

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/49656

I always wanted to buy cd keys overseas but just kinda figured this would happen.


I only chanced across this today

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08:52pm 19/09/09 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
6370 posts

Umm, that article is almost 2years old dude...
09:43pm 19/09/09 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
8018 posts
yeah I know how old it is - I wanted to know if anyone's had their game that they bought cheapo overseas pulled like Valve apparently did.

if this game never sees the light of day here in Aus I'm just gonna import it

also.. Teletubbies.



last edited by koopz at 15:25:55 20/Sep/09
03:07pm 20/09/09 Permalink
euphoria
Gold Coast, Queensland
1451 posts

I for one, don't welcome our classification overlords.

I really hope this gets the retailers fired up enough to cause some sort of change, but I doubt it.
03:13pm 20/09/09 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
2094 posts
So, this is the stuff they dont want us to see. I guess its breaking the law to watch these Youtube vids then!?

They should just let us play now that we've seen what they want to hide.

Baseball bat melee


AK47 and Axe Melee (the axe looks cool man )



03:47pm 20/09/09 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
8281 posts
yer its nothing we havent seen before in other games.
03:54pm 20/09/09 Permalink
ViscoS
Brisbane, Queensland
238 posts
That really was no-where near as gory as the report makes it out to be.
05:00pm 20/09/09 Permalink
Chucky
Brisbane, Queensland
51 posts
i lol'd hard at that teletubbies vid
07:01pm 20/09/09 Permalink
Jimm
Perth, Western Australia
1 posts
It kinda makes sense, an R18 rating isn't gonna stop kids from playing it, I watch R games and play MA15 games and I'm a kid. It sucks balls its banned,it looks pretty bad, but banned bad? Will they censor it is what I want to know.
06:47pm 22/09/09 Permalink
Jimm
Perth, Western Australia
2 posts
Is it just me, or after watching some of thse videos isn't there too much gore? I mean, not like it SHOULD be banned, but it's just not realistic.
07:01pm 22/09/09 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
1754 posts
I was thinking to myself, geez that guy in the second video sucks at playing then the little hint came up "press B button too..."
08:22pm 22/09/09 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
8023 posts
yeah that footage ET posted is kinda low-res eh. Maybe the PC version is much more closer to photo realism with the Survivor characters?

also - Hilter

11:44pm 22/09/09 Permalink
Nevan
1 posts
I have started an online petition for the introduction of an R18+ classification for video games in Australia.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/ozgamers

Michael Atkinson is one man but we are many!!! Its our right as Adults and VOTERS! to protest!
08:51pm 23/09/09 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
162 posts
So I'm really confused about all this after playing Prototype for the first time. It has MA15+ from the OFLC, but is WAY more violent, and it at least equals L4D in terms of body count, but for pure violence and gore, Prototype wins easy. Activison Vs EA Vs OFLC?
09:36pm 23/09/09 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
2736 posts
I've stopped watching those hitler things. It's always the same he yells a bit then he goes all quiet and asks a bunch of people to leave the room and then theres those women reacting in the hallway.
09:42pm 23/09/09 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
163 posts
thermite...
12:47am 24/09/09 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
8026 posts
great idea Nevan.

while we're at it peoples we can also fax our local member of parliament or senator (for free) with our opinion in this and net filtering.

yeah I know it's mostly about net filtering on that site, but it's worth using all the same

08:15am 24/09/09 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
1592 posts
What the f*** does that even mean? Are you trying to say something or just coming out of the closet as a wanna be praun?


The younger kids these days use "dog" as an adjective to describe when someone has committed an act of unfair, mean, or otherwise unsavoury behaiviour.

#1: I just slept with my best friends girlfriend
#2: That's really dog, man.
04:46pm 25/09/09 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
2108 posts
That hitler vid was funny. :)
Thanks Koops.
06:06pm 25/09/09 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
2539 posts
Haha koopz. Another good one.
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