Making major international news at the moment is the tragic destruction which has just occured in the American cities of New York and Washington. Early reports are still sketchy, but it appears terrorists are responsible for the kamikaze attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, two extremely sensitive buildings - the first from a media point of view and the second from a political point of view.

Anyone that has been watching TV for the last hour or so would have been seeing the incredible visuals that have been coming out of these two cities - the sight of the plane crashing into the World Trade Center and the subsequent collapse of the entire building, leaving that part of the city covered in dust and rubble is something that will remain permanently etched in many memories.

The media are already discussing how that there hasn't been such an attack on the US since Pearl Harbour. News.com.au are reporting that a Palestinian group has claimed responsibility for the act:

Abu Dhabi television reports it's received a call from the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine abroad claiming responsibility for crashing two planes into the World Trade Center buildings.

Stand by for more news as it comes in.

Unfortunately, there's a whole heap of idiot Internet losers that are spreading rumours about this as we speak, making it hard to filter through all the information to find valid information. Any fake information posted or mentioned will be dealt with harshly, so please don't do it.

Update: 1:12am cnn.com, in an effort to cope with the immense traffic that is flooding over the entire Internet as people scramble for information, has updated their page to a much simpler version. Here's the current information:

Both World Trade Center towers collapse after plane crashes
Plane crashes into Pentagon, part of the Pentagon collapses
Bush calls trade center crashes terrorist act
Major federal buildings, United Nations evacuated
FAA grounds all domestic flights, sends trans-Atlantic flights to Canada
Israel evacuates embassies

It is the first time in US history that all planes have been ordered grounded until further notice. Fighter planes have been scrambled and are visible in the air over several major cities. San Francisco and Los Angeles are in a state of 'tactical alert', and US Navy forces in Virginia are in a more alert DEFCON state.
1:18am abc.net.au are reporting John Howard has been moved from his hotel, which is only a short distance from the White House.
1:29am Planes headed to the USA have been detoured to Canada. Yassir Arafat (PLO leader) denies any involvement and expresses his sadness at the incident.
1:35am American Airlines confirmed to have lost 2 planes in 'tragic incidents'.
1:43am Confusion reigns in the air as air traffic controllers struggle to cope with all the planes - several planes are being described as 'missing' as their status is confirmed. President Bush is safe on board Air Force One; the Secret Service are not disclosing his location (the press sound sort of suprised about that, for some reason). Fire is spreading in the Pentagon despite attempts to control it.
1:48am cnn.com updates - 10,000 emergency workers head to scene of incident to aid in rescue operations.
1:52am United Airlines has said it is "deeply concerned" about Flight l75 from Boston to Los Angeles - its status is currently unknown.
1:53am Newsfeeds and other communications continue to be disrupted as services struggle to keep up with the huge demand for information.
2:12am Some photos from the scenes are availble.
2:16am Media reporting blood shortages and an open plea to people in the area to urgently donate blood.
2:22am cnn.com updates again: Non-essential NATO employees asked to leave Brussels HQ, and Taliban issues statement to tell U.S. 'Afghanistan feels your pain'. Also, updates to their main article indicate that the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) has been evacuated and are investigating and preparing for biological warfare possibilities. Disney World in Florida has been closed. The INS is on a high state of alert to control the Mexican and Canadian Borders.
2:40am Some video footage is now available for download.
3:10am cnn.com have a more accurate chronology of events as they unfolded.
3:16am US President George Bush addresses the world and states that they will "hunt down and punish" the perpetrators of this incident.

For the record, no stupid posts will be tolerated about this incident - it is a huge tragedy that could quite easily lead to further death and destruction, so please keep your witty comments to yourself.

grrrr, everyone go here for my report

No, just saying that it had collapsed.

Doesnt Matter

Hahahaha, NrKy, tahts the worst report ever, and seeing as though ONE person relied, it must be a popular post

The is just awful, I can see this as one of those events you remember for the rest of your life...

this is horrible.

eds, go f*** yourself, i was just typing at a million miles an hour, and dont really care wot u think, ok!

people jumping out of the world trade centre..

OMG.. that is just too real for me.

yeh, that's what i meant. woops.

he is udner complete lock down too. queensland somewhere.

don't we all

one of the most catastrophic events is under way - and all you guys can do is b**** and moan to each other about a post ffs!!!

im just wondering wtf the pres is going to do about it, we havent heard much from him

I'll say this again there isn't any proof that anyone has done it yet. People like to claim they did it even though they didn't.

i still beleive your a f**.

Yeha, but you could imagine whats going on atm to fiund out WHO did it.

And the president had a speech earlier NrKy, you f**, and he is currently in the air, so it makes it a little hard

scary

grrr, they should simplify the other pages on cnn too, cos if u wanna see anything else, its laggy as s***

ooooooh, funky poo!!!! i never knew that nypd radio existed

ta

thats f***en so movie-ish the way the trade centres just collapsed

Gtting woken up at 5am and being told about this ( I wasnt watching TV or on the net last night ), isnt the way to start the day.

Americas gonna go full scale offensive on any terrorist forces they have any idea who may have done this.

The one thing that shocks me the most, is the fact that in those arab countries people are CELEBRATING. How can people possibly celebrate the death of a possible 50,000 people in the World Trade Center.

Last time I checked, doesnt the Islamic religion say tolerance of other religions/beliefs, yet these idiots, no, idiots isnt the right word, d*******s (and that still ISNT the right word for them), do this for ALLAH and that crap.

I hope there is a hell, and that the people who committed this act go there for eternity.

What effect will the collapse of the WTC have on International Trade?
The WTC is basically a central hub for trade isn't it?

I wonder what the US will be doing in retalliation.

10000-50000 people. Crazy terrorists.

Thought so.
And this leaves the US in an odd position. Because they have noone to directly retaliate too, and they can't just say "oh well" if they have 10000-50000 dead.

oh they have someone to retaliate against. they should just go and attack bin Laden anyway, just to get rid of people like him off the face of the earth.

Stealth bomber, whatever, send it over afghanistan, im sure people wont mind too much if a known fanatical terrorist is taken out.

this world is screwed, people are selfish and hatefull, if this world ended this afternoon, i would not care, knowing those evil people are gone for good.

I can understand that the killing of the American president or governmental/military figures might be celebrated by some people, but that ISN'T what this is about. This was an intentional attack against civilians, and anyone who manages to celebrate the murder of thousands of innocents (many who weren't even American btw) is just either hopelessly indoctrinated or plain evil. How can anyone celebrate the death of INNOCENTS!!!!??

im not saying it wasnt, im just saying that america is the big bad country to many people

i want justice exacted, but i dont want world war 3

i just want them punished. severely.

Vin Laden will no doubt be another statistic in 24 hours....

The scariest part of this whole incident is that there is a book written about 5 years ago where all of this happened!

it was me

We all know what gonna happen... after the US finds out who really did it... they'll just smash the entire area with armor and planes... noone would mind either..

That's the worst bit for me... last thing we need is another friggin war....

As for the Trade... well, US will never recover fully...Probably the rest of the world as well, since it all centers around the Trade Center...

World is f***ed, and we all know it

Bird that is a load of crap.

If they guy was right the world would have already ended!

Nostradamus is a great phlosfer.... don't nock him!! ok he got ww1 and ww2 right as well as the plague ect ect

they actually had Tom Clancy on the phone on CNN last night. 2ish I like.

Just talking in general about the incident, and his thoughts.

man... WW3 = Nuclear War = Holocaust = Any survivors take on a Fallout-type role for the rest of existance.

Been good knowin' ya guys

WW3 would be non-nuclear UNTIL somebody launched one.
i hope that bush isnt STUPID enough to resort to such a wide-spread retaliation as that. any retaliation that is taken will mosy likely be public and for world war to occur it would take more than some afgans vs. the free world. war may occur, but i doubt world war.

I just heard a speech from John Howard on the radio about how Australia will aid America whereever necessary.
If America goes to war, looks like we will too.
That will make us a nuclear target if the conflict escalates to that level.
Woohoo.

And it might very likely go to nuclear war, because Bush is that sorta guy.

yeh, what book, was that? I have never read a tom clancy before and it seems like a good introduction.

Just saw a close shot of the first plane hitting on the news. It went all the way into the structure, then exploded.

Yeah
it is pretty freaky the amount of planning and precision involved in getting something like this to happen.

Click

Wierd.

I just heard that some 200 fire fighters are missing pressumed dead and 70 odd police men aswell.

f*** well looks like we are at war then too..if we are american allies like the poms and canada we better look out also ,,chogam coming soon s*** ,,also is america at DEFCON 1 or 2 ?????

check out middle east news link apparently it could be the japanese terrorist group its unconfirmed thou !

The TV just said that it wasn't the actually impacts of the planes that broght down the building, it was
the heat from the fire. Those building are basically a glass/steel/concrete shell with each floor
of the building attached to it by steel beams etc. The steel becomes very weak under the huge
amount of heat generated by all the fires inside the building and the hot air pressing outwards against
the shell of the building, when this "shell" breaks away the floors at that part of the
shell collapse, these collapsing floors subsequently take out floors underneath, this keeps
going until the whole building is leveled.

If they can find him that is.

The TV just said that it wasn't the actually impacts of the planes that broght down the building, it was the heat from the fire.

cool I was right the plane crahing into the building wouldn't take it down too bad the fire did. ):)

Current Military Status: Code Charlie & Delta
Code Charlie & Delta is the level the United States would be at in war times.

I still have such a surreal feeling about this happening... I only found out about 2 hours ago though.

Possible outcome?

USA goes to war, Australia introduces conscription. Anyone between the ages say 17-30 is given basic combat training before being shipped over there...

Its pretty shocking really. I was laying in bed about midnight last night, half listening to Triple J, when I caught something about "attack on the pentagon" and "twin towers of the world trade center collapsed" and thought wtf? is this a bad joke?

So I turned in the television in my room and just sat there stunned for the next few hours. As people have said above, it just doesn't feel real, things like this aren't supposed to happen in real life. Seeing the footage of the out of control plane slamming into the side of the second tower and watching the two towers come crashing down into the middle of the city, to see people jumping out of a 96 storey tower to try and escape, its quite honestly one of the most unbelieveable things I have ever been witness to.

I mean, this is one of those events people will read about in history books 50 years on, just like we read about pearl harbour now. All I am doing is watching it on tv and I know its going to leave a permanent mark on me, can you even begin to imagine what it must be like for people there, in the middle of it?

And on another note, I live right near the Enogerra military camp, and there is a definate increased level of activity around here. Planes and choppers have been circling around here since early this morning.

hmm sig change time :/

Introducing World War III

Stealth bomber, whatever, send it over afghanistan, im sure people wont mind too much if a known fanatical terrorist is taken out.

It won't happen, if it was Bin Laden's doing, and they kill him, Then they'll never find out who did it.
People have a tendency to not like that.

Don't know?

I just heard a speech from John Howard on the radio about how Australia will aid America whereever necessary.
If America goes to war, looks like we will too.

Bye bye Strex

Diana wasn't really sad, this is if only because it was A) planned B) executed where it would have the most effect ie where 50,000 ppl work daily. I actually laughed when mom woke me up this morn, i was like "yea wat ever sif anyone would do that to america" walks out to the lounge room and almost callapses as they show the vision of a plane full of innocent ppl plough into one of the Towers. Some serious slaw is gonna go down for this!

I don't agree with Australia jumping to conclusions saying we'll back up America in a fight...

Australia's forces suck compared to America's... Don't need to be an unecessary target until America actually does something...


I say Bin Laden and anybody harbouring him is dead when they find him.

Wasn't Bin Laden the same cameljockey behind the previous attempt to blow up the WTC? They haven't been able to find him for the last 8 or so years, I'd be surprised if they could suddenly find him now.

Ramzi Yousef was behind the previous attempt on WTC

Osama Bin Laden has been found it is just he is being protected by the Taliban.
He has heaps of money (he is like a billionaire!) and funds all their stuff for protection.

Even if we went after him he has a whole private army.

I thought (was pretty sure) they don't know where Bin Laden is...

and personal armies don't really do much when you're being attacked by the rest of the free world, especially from the sly.

Bush hasn't even been president long... and he's already got people blowing s*** up against America... he's not doing too bad.

Yeah, a few small groups have, the democratic something something something something something something of palestine did, but none of the ones that have claimed responsibility have neither the balls or the resources to do something like this...

Well i'm not worried. About the WWIII thing i mean.

It's just NONE would DARE to start anything like that, the consequences would be enormous. There are some stupid ppl in this world, but not that stupid.

Our Military may not be as large as the U.S but we are JUST as strong. The U.S don't properly train all of there soldiers, there is just more of them. Australia have less soldier's but the training is FAR superior.

Australia has THE best Commando force in the world. Why you say? THE best training.

yes indeed it might not be the afghans it could be japanese it could be any one of a number of countries ...that have terrorist organizations!!!

Osama Bin Laden funded money to Ramzi Yousef for the previous attempt on WTC...

Its quite a possible that he's responsible for this as well, but again, nobody knows for certain..

I saw we cut his balls off with a rusty butter-knife no sharper than a paddle-pop stick anyway

George bush is the kind of person who doesn't mind a war so it will be interesting to see what reaction he decides on taking...

Everyone knew this was coming.. but this was so well co-ordinated and planned, people could only stand by and watch it happen.

So if you were on the plane, would you volunteer to be the guy that jumped up and got the knife stuck in him?

Khel -> Yes, if I knew I was going to blow up into a building.. abso-f*****g-lutely I would prefer to get stabbed by a knife...
better chance of survival... (as long as every one jumps the terro with u)

Oh yeah.. and Khel, I've been held up and robbed at knife point before.. I know what its like.

yes america has some of the dumbest grunts in the worldbut they have allot of them, aus has far better quality soldiers.
Send in the Gurkers(spelling?) they are the BEST personel in the world.

its always a possibility... but the FBI have a recording of a 911 call from onboard the 4th plane...
they're looking into it if it's authentic or not...
if it is then the 4th plane was "definately" hijacked...
I heard on CNN (chan 34) that they weren't 100% that the 4th was hijacked, just highly likely...

Also people were (are) buried alive in WTC but rescuers weren't/are allowed inside the perimeter!

110 is the max

wasn't there stairs or anything that they could escape out of the building,

http://www.gjcn.org/images/aoa/010911wtc_04.jpg

do they know how many terrorists where on the planes.

Apparently people DID try jumping the terrorists on the planes, but were stabbed and then killed.

Didn't try jumping all at once... I guess that would have helped a little more than just one or two jumping them...

People are calling from underneath the WTC with mobile phones...

"errr hi, I'm underneath the WTC, wanna help me?"

Yeah I'd be pretty pissed too if I was stuck under there alive and they werent letting rescuers go help em

so have they found out who did it.

With all this metal detectors and xray scans going into the planes, just how do they plan on stopping some guy with a ceramic knife getting onboard. This s*** happens all the time in gaol, not much you can do to stop it even in a controlled society.

there are 3 diferent terrorist organashon's that have the firepower to pull this off but only one hates the US

It could have been any number of people....

In the matter of Australia supporting America in retaliation, I have to agree with that... these attacks are no just on America but on the way of life and Freedom that America has...

Not only because America is out ally, but also we have a moral obligation to bring people who commit acts like this to justice to try and stop large terroist attacks in the furture.

Silent Remorse: Don't rule out an internal attack - The man behind the Oklahoma bombing was an american.

True but that was the act of one man... this was a co-ordinated attack, say there are 2 Hijackers on each plane, that is 8 people atleast...

It very well suggests its from another country.. but you could be right

WTC: The Movie

its not spelt CHOGM its spelt the way its said

Trog'em

coz were gunna get nuked when it happens

/me is preparing for nuke

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theres also unconfirmed reports that the plane stoped at brisbane airport heading for LA had a suspicious package thought to be a bomb

IMO Bin Laden could not do something like this by himself, i believe that it may be a terrorist organisation (bin laden, or someone else) but with the backing of a nation or state... it was pulled off so well, and the resources and planning that needed to go into it is incomprehensible

the ausse dollar might go up

For those who really want to know, I dont know why you would, but accorfing to the courier mail today, the aussie dollar went up a quarter of a cent.

As if you would care about monetary gain at a time like this.

there are some afghans & palys that don't want to live in there country for it has bad ways.....so they pay lots of money to escape to australia but when they get here, a big ugly bald man with gay glass's tells them they cant come here cause there not wanted, and then he tells them they have to go to some other 3rd world country.

Man- they need so much blood. CNN says they only have 80,000 blood donations available for both Washington and New York. Thats no where near enough. :( - I'd give it if I lived over there.

Taipan was right - When s*** like this happens you wish you could do something :\

:( i pray for these people

unfortunately its only disasters like this that truly bring the people of the world together.

god help them all

stokesy u d***

its not spelt CHOGM its spelt the way its said

Congressional Heads Of Government Meeting

d*******

whatever
:P

The images that I have seen on TV over the last few hours will be etched in my memory forever. Even though we are thousands of miles away I just can't come to terms with what I have seen so far.

I held my 15 month old son in my arms and cried for an hour. It makes you realise just how fragile life is.

I can't even imagine what the people who were there are going through.

I hate towle heads
I hate towle heads
I hate towle heads
I hate towle heads
Up em bussy tear em a new one

That would be the kind of attitude that spawns events like this one.

One of my family's very close friends was scheduled to actually fly out on that plane from Boston but luckily he delayed his business trip by one day. On the other hand another person I don't know quite as well did decide to continue their trip that day
and they ended up as a part of the WTC.....

goddamn stupid a******* in this world
and they go on about religion, damn it, they just use allah as a reason to bomb people, bunch of f*****s.. but can't blame all of them, only the a****** suicide bombers that think they get something out of killing themselves

Another question i want to raise, is even though the third plane didn't take off till 40 mins after the second hit on WTC.. why didn't they ground all planes there and then, not 3 hours after?
egh...

after the 2nd plane went into the WTC they decided to declare it an act of terrorism

What type of a f*****g retard attacks the most powerful nation in the world..with the most powerful army..which is allied to almost 3/4 of the countries in the world??..Retarded d*******s

There must be a reason, otherwise it wouldnt have happened. My suggestion is that i was probably that bin laden guy, in which case it would make sense.

He had money, he had a motive (having already declared a religious war against the USA), and 3 weeks ago he made comments on afghani radio about how the americans will pay for their somethingorother.

Still, it sux

:(

If he is so religious i dont see god or ra or whatevea kind of god he has saying 'Oh and by the way kill a few Americans for me' ...

i spoke to a lawyer this afternoon at 4pm he had a friend who was atop the first tower that was hit having coffee, doing the tourist thing...she rang home at about 2pm our time, she is alive.....there may yet be hope if ppl who were at the top could get out, maybe many more did

mmmmmmm you guys watching the tv too??..interesting how they stopped a flight in brisbane because they thought some terrorists were on it..scary

Is it true that Aus has one of the best armies in the world?

china, britain, russia, france, germany, australia and america's army...woah lethal

War=Death..war is bad.

eye kandy, perhaps we are good, but you know we can only defend something like 20 kms of our coastline. or something lame like that

i beg to differ, its religion the arabs and muslims etc. They get angry about US government. which happens to be based on money.
but im not saying that i want a war. i was just sharing an idea. :(

what is the world coming to? i cant believe it, and i just think that the world should bind together to put a stop to this outrages s***

do you know about hte origon of the word 'assasin'?

We dont need a war ffs..if anything avoid a war at all costs

yes i agree, i dont want to fight against some people i dont even know just because our government makes us.

I was just making an observation, obviously you dont accept that, i apologise. Yes im also a crap speller

Which it did. We borrowed millions from Britain. Who in turn charged Germany for war crimes and it was payed back over years and years. This also happened in WW1

lots of lives also. :(

ya
is persian in origin, stemming from the period of the crusades
the persians drugged their most zealous fanatics on hashish and promises of religious exultation before sending them out on missions to assassinate important figures in the cristian encampment
the word itself derives from its similar sound to 'hashish'

they would have had immense resources (people resources that is)

andn ow i just found out that the twisted f***heads threw the pilots out the window after they took control

i am serious going mental, i cant keep still, this has taken me about 10 mins to type coz i am so shaky
if i meet these F***WITS when i grow up.

i will kill them. what f***ign right do they have to kill 20000 innocent people\
F*****G F***WITS

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Authorities in Massachusetts have identified five Arab men as suspects in Tuesday's attack on New York City and have seized a rental car containing Arabic-language flight training manuals at Logan International Airport, a source told the Boston Herald newspaper. Two of the men were brothers whose passports were traced to the United Arab Emirates, the unidentified source told the Herald. One of the men was a trained pilot, the paper reported on its Web site on Wednesday.

Interesting, didnt see it posted anywhere else.

dude, wart was posting a picture of what happened

That's f***ed.

Jesus Chod, break that link up a little huh?

hmmm, check this s*** out >a href="http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/nosproph.htm">http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/nosproph.htm
hmm, interesting.
mabus, 'the antichrist', who's 'reign of terror' (started in 1985, like the same time saddam hussein was made prez), and all that s***, interesting.
mabus written backwards looks like 'sudam', pretty close to saddam.

grrr, /me doesnt want a third great war, the only good that can come out of this is the unification of every nation on the planet(- half the arab nations), which is a good thing.

i was also reading thru all that nostradamus s***, and it had quite a few mentions of the normans (french), being the ones to bring an end to the war. and we all know that the french have ONE HUGE nuclear arsenal (compared to every other country other than the us). so lets hope we have them on our side! ey!

Name one country we could invade on our own.

Sorry for the third post...

Regarding France's "huge nuclear arsenal" does it bother anyone else that the country who has been totally reamed out in both ww1 and 2 and pretty much in every major war befor them (as far as I know, they have always sucked at fighting), has such a huge arsenal?

Thnk about it, no one can invade America, so they will never need to use the bombs, but FRANCE, if history is any indication, they could be massacred at any momement, then they start a nuclear war, and we are all f***ed... its like those kids who get beaten up in school in america and every day they go home to an m16 assault rife, I mean f*** me, its asking for trouble.

hmm, just watched those reports on cnn.com, and the military is beginning to show that it can flex its muscles, grrr, not good.

also been going thru sum arabian forums and websites, and basically the arabs are saddened by the loss of civilians, but pleased to see the us prez pissed off, hmm, guess they know wots coming up next, *KABOOM*.

yeah, australia has one of the best armed forces in the world, but only infantry, cos we have never had the need for much in the way of air and sea battles (touch wood!!!) we have one of the best infantry divisions because of the hugely tough training system and unit implementation system in place. basically, the new recruits are put thru 'very s***ful' conditions, in order to be accepted into a half-decent unit. we also have good infantry cos we pour all our military resources into that division, hence it is our better side.

jac is right, the french also have some of the best infantry on the planet in the FFL, but they also have a major nuclear arsenal. but im still not sure whether or not kofi annan would allow the use of atomics, even in a full-scale war, so im guessing that the super-powers would have to resort to large-range mortars (too old school, but efficient for guerilla-infantry destruction), and v2's. (the mega-long range rockets)

but lets not hope that itll come to having to use atomics, or else we are all gonna be up s*** creek.

Is it true that Aus has one of the best armies in the world

Back in the early 80's we were classed as second only to the Israelis (They can kick arse). Don't know about today tho...

Unless they shot it down, as some reports suggest. A member of another forum claims the plane flew over his town, tailed by two F-16's. Shortly thereafter, a plane went down to the south of him.

Just saw on the TV that they have arrested suspected terrorists in a Boston Hotel.

another opinion : only american ppl is worthy ? how about hundreds thousands of ppl died every year around the world indirectly because of USA policy ? Of course this is a horrific tragedy but anybody give a f*** about other ppl die daily in other countries as if it is only horrible if it happens to USA.
Soz about my grammar and english !

and u guys know how ppl in japan died after those atomic bombs ? burned slowly to death by nuclear dust from inside of their bone out. Those who died in the first 10 minutes after the bomb were like heaven compare to those who alived. Those ppl who didn't die were living like hell for the rest of their lives.

lastmanstanding, grow a brain.
If you ever thought things through, the Americans knew the japanese would fight to the absoulute death in any situation, the reason for this is the reason for nuking, its a simple fact, if American and Allied forces sent in troops, the losses would have been a LOT higher. jeez.

Seig Heil.

my 2c, america has never set out to conquer the world and invade other countries like the japanese did, they had to be stopped, so did the nazi's, and so do these terrorists

American version of history , for me it sounds no different to the newest history book in japan ! and i am not a retard, these matter have been debated since it happened , you should look further more than just 1 version and media propaganda. FREE WOLRD , sif ! JUSTICE , sif !
"AMERICAN JUSTICE" will prevail !!! enuf said !

America wants to police the world... now they get a (small) taste of their own medicine.
They should have seen it coming, poor bastards are only gonna make it worse now with their threats of counter-attack.

though americas motto is "your superior intellects are no much for our puny weapons"

the japanese would fight to the absoulute death

This acctually a result of their culture which is kida of cool and interesting.

American version of history , for me it sounds no different to the newest history book in japan ! and i am not a retard, these matter have been debated since it happened , you should look further more than just 1 version and media propaganda. FREE WOLRD , sif ! JUSTICE , sif !
"AMERICAN JUSTICE" will prevail !!! enuf said

Oh good a hipee conspiracy nut just what the world needs. Haven't you ever heard the saying "the winners write the history books". If the losers want to write them they should win.

although i feel for the ppl who lost their love ones in this tragic incident, i just think the americans asked for this themselves...
they stick their nose into other ppls business once too many..
and the worst thing is.. they cant stop now, coz if they back out, others will think they are weak..

You have no idea xing.

Those responsible are going to pay for what they did. A superpower does not change its stance on anything due to terrorist acts.

I have been watching the news on and off today and it appears that this could have been much worse than what it was.

I just saw that there was a group of three men that aggressively refused to disembark a Los Angles flight when all the passengers were told that the plane was not going to take off after they had boarded the aircraft.

Also there were three men taken in for questioning today regarding them trying to board a plane posing as flight crew or pilots or some s***. It turns out that these men had flight manuals and box cutters or those plastic knives or some s***.

Pretty scary to see that some attempts at hijackings were prevented by chance before Tuesdays events and even more concerning is that there have been more attempts to hijack aircraft.

I also learned today that it is legal on American domestic flights to have a box cutter or a knife with a blade less than 4" or 4cm (I'm not certain if it was inches or centimeters).

Crazy times my friends !!

mayb a pic of the fires, but not of some poor f*****g guy jumping for his life, how do u think he feels

Uhh.. He's dead. I think you mean "How do you think his family feels".

Eviscerator: Ya know, some people would actually like to PREVENT their lives getting lost.

i still can't beleive this happened and all most of you want to do is rationalise it and proportion blame, things here are pretty simple...there was mass genocide of innocent american civilians...there must be justice...

Then you, sir, are a tool.

fpot = quite_correct;

so i'm a tool. just like those suicide bombers. tools for a bigger purpose.

ok talkin' mo' s***.

everyone to their own opinion.

just mine isn't anyone elses.

Before you at least made sense...

Now you don't :P

dark romeo you f*****g ignant s***!

america is acting exactly like a mother who has had one of her children beaten up in the playground, something must be done to save face and get revenge!
if the USA sits back and does diddly-squat in retaliation, they are gonna open themselves up for a mass of terrorist attacks, as the groups will see that the USA does nothing about it. and no, its not like back in primary school where if u rat on the bully he'll just beat up on you, its the other way around, if you dont stand your ground, they are gonna walk all over you! (referring to the USA here)

a grain of sand? wtf? you little f***, how would u like it if EVERY single one of the people you know and love was all of a sudden just wiped off the face of the planet, and someone just came up with sum f***t up comment like "oh well, i didnt know them so they are just sum more statistics to me", f*** oath, could you be any less heartless????

try acting australian, and having some compassion, for f**** sake!

no i wouldn't care. i doubt i'd care if i was killed or anything got in my way of life.

however, i recognise i have this problem, which i'm willing to live with. it's called pessimism.

no what you have is apathy

but even if you're horrified at what's happened, you agree that they're going on a bit too much still, right?

nah, I'd say its just about right

Darkromeo : You say this wouldnt of happened if America didnt act the way it did, I agree, because when you are a major player in NATO, when you are the one doing all the work, the sort of people who fly planes into building (ie. the bad guys), are gonna get pissed off...

You also mentioned the media, and how people are effected by it, I would say someone with your stance is much more easily molded than someone without.

Im quite confident you have never really thought objectively on anything to do with what has happened, so I'll just leave it at that.

If I wanted Afghanistan f***ed, or Bush to be popular, or everyone who matters to side with America in a warm and fuzzy ring of friendship, I can think of no better way to do it than fly a couple of planes into the WTC, I really cant.

Why dont we all think about this?

Done?

So am I, and what I just said would of mattered last week, but this week someone flew a couple of planes into The World Trade Centre, and from now on, it doesnt matter that America backed Isreal who stole Palestinian land, it doesnt matter that Afghanistan is hard done by .

The reason is because befor there was a chance for peace through diplomacy because we didnt really want war, now they have forced our hand, now they have pushed for war, and now they will have it.

I know whose side I am on, and thats all thats important now, at any rate, what isnt important is who is right and who is wrong.

I accidentally posted this post twice. Two posts down is the right post.

I wonder about the people who have no feelings about this - how can you not be at least slightly moved seeing people on TV frantically looking for their loved ones. Its really really f***ed up seeing people doing this. I don't think ANY strike made by Americans (apart from Japan in WW2) has EVER killed this many innocent civilians (I pointed it out before that the citizens of Nagasaki and Hiroshima WERE warned long before the atomic bombs being detonated). As I write this I have the TV going in the background - some CEO guy is breaking down talking about his employees dying - not something you see every day (in fact not something you want to see). So many people have lost parents, brothers, sisters, wives, husbands - some stories are just so sad. A few people on TV are looking for fiances they were to marry in the near future, pregnant wives. Hearing the answering machine message left by one of the people in the building was chilling. Seeing people falling to their almost-certain death was shocking - this whole thing is just horrid.

Lastly, you (I'm referring to previous posts in this thread) cannot say with any degree of certainty that an event such as this would NOT affect you in any way if it were in your face and not just an image on the TV.

Something else I found a little disturbing was the fact that channel 9 thought that the fall of Ansett was on par with the terrorist bombings and decided they would package both in the same long, all-afternoon news piece.

Its more important because it didn't occur during a war or a time of conflict ffs. During a war casaulties are obviously expected, everyone knows the stakes are high so a loss of life is not so unexpected. People also have the time to deal with the concept of their loved one dying at any moment. At one stage during the Battle of Britain (air war beteen Luftwaffe and RAF over Britain) the average life expectancy for a RAF pilot was about 2 weeks. Not good odds if you ask me.

This latest attack, an act of terrorism was unprovoked and certainly unexpected. The sheer number of civilian lives thought to be lost is a lot higher than almost any single incident during any war known (with a few exceptions such as Japan). People should stop making comparisons with other world incidents - they are treated equally as much if they are equally as "big". The whole "its only being covered so much because its America" is simply a load of contrived s***.

By Jim

So, effectively you (or whoever wrote it) are saying is, that it’s a conspiracy? Normally I'd be inclined to at least give a conspiracy theory some credibility however there are several problems with that line of thinking in this case.

Firstly, if it were some sort of orchestrated catastrophe (as the writer claims) why would Osama Bin Laden have hinted at (or made) such events three weeks prior to this attack? Secondly, there would be a paper trail longer than the Great Wall of China - someone somewhere would know. Thirdly, contrary to what you think there are far easier and less costly ways (in human terms) of going about increasing popularity for Bush or hatred for another nation. Its been done in the past so I don't see why now should be any different.

On another note, some very interesting articles in today's Courier Mail (Inside Mail Sept 16, Page 32). I have taken the liberty of typing out a few extracts of the articles (I hope I don't get sued :)) as I realise most of you probably don't even know what a newspaper looks like. The first article is obviously it’s not the be all and end all of articles, however it does sit quite well with everything I have seen and read previously (documentaries, articles, books etc). I am by no means claiming to be an authority or expert on religion – I am simply relaying information to others as a means of allowing them to make up their own mind.

The first article I take extracts from relates to Fundamentalist Muslims and this first quote I put in bold to emphasise its importance – be sure you read it before passing judgement. Ok here are the extracts from the article, written by Dr Paul Stenhouse, a priest and journalist, specialising in Middle Eastern politics and Islam.

...Fundamentalist Muslims are a vocal minority. They are not typical of the vast majority of Muslims throughout the world...

...Of the 17 terrorist organisations set up in Islamic states and named by the US State Department in 2000 as actively engaged in terrorism in 1999, 11 are professedly Islamic or are rabidly anti-West...

...In addition to these high-profile radical groups there are many anonymous extremist groups in most Muslim countries devoted to the establishment of Islamic states ruled by the Shari'a [Islamic Law]. The Shari'a is not just the Koran - it also includes the Hadith (sayings of Mohammed), the Ijma (consensus of religious experts) and the Qiyas (analogy)...

...Algerian extremists belonging to the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) have been responsible for the deaths of more than 40,000 Algerian civilians - targeting mainly journalists, unveiled women and girls, "intellectuals", and anyone who is accused of co-operating with the secular government...

...The juridical status of non-Muslim's living in these countries has not changed since Muhammad's time: under the Shari'a they are not second-class citizens, they are non-persons…

Until the 1800s it was virtually unheard of for Muslims to live in a non-Islamic country of their free will... The Koran forbids them to submit themselves to non-Islamic laws; to obey non-Islamic rulers and, by implication, to send their children to non-Islamic schools...

...In the Koran, the Prophet decreed that "infidels" - Jews and Christians - along with atheists, rationalists, agnostics, humanists, and free-thinkers, are to be warred against. He warned Muslims against friendship with non-Muslims, a proscription insisted upon by the Taliban in Afghanistan and by fundamentalists worldwide...

...All Western, free, democratic countries are, in Islamic terms, dur al-harb, or "lands of war" where fundamentalist Muslims may legitimately, in fact are obliged, to do all they can to bring about the dominance of Islam...

…It would help the cause of moderate Islam if moderate Muslims came out courageously and strenuously in condemnation of the violence and terror emanating from within their communities. And if they protested the violation of the rights of all - be they Muslims or non-Muslims - in Islamic countries...

And from another article (this time referring to the Taliban specifically) in the Courier Mail (Inside Mail Sept 16, Page 33) I take this alarming quote:

…And they have forced the country’s shrunken Hindu population to wear yellow badges on their clothes…

Like me, you should be alarmed at this fact – this is exactly what the Nazi’s did to the Jews in Germany before and during WW2. I firmly believe groups like the Taliban must be stopped – for the sake of world peace and the crumbling reputation of Islam (Surely if it were YOUR religion you would not want to be associated with groups like the Taliban). Perhaps those people firebombing Mosques should maybe do some research before resorting to such drastic measures.

/END RANT (Yes I wrote everything but the quotes).

Hunter do you think if it was a conspircy, there'd be any point if there wasn't a paper trail pointing to someone else?
I doubt it's a conspircy but anything is posible really remember the winners write the history books.