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Women in games - you decide
Ducko
Sydney, New South Wales
1 posts
Ello
06:34pm 04/06/15 Permalink
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Tanaka Khan
Brisbane, Queensland
5567 posts
So where is this questionnaire that us the community should fill out?
06:38pm 04/06/15 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
25115 posts
It's a research project, so if you don't agree; Prove me wrong.
You've failed even before you failed to post the questionnaire. It shouldn't and isn't up to other people to prove you wrong, you have to prove yourself right.
06:50pm 04/06/15 Permalink
Audi
Perth, Western Australia
1418 posts
People of the community? What would you know about the "community" Mr one post?
07:46pm 04/06/15 Permalink
Ickus
Perth, Western Australia
514 posts
There arn't any women in gaming, its just a 40 yr old man. Everyone knows that.
08:43pm 04/06/15 Permalink
Ducko
Sydney, New South Wales
2 posts
Ah crap I stuffed up. Sorry, I was kind of freaking out before I sent that, that I forgot the link -.-.

https://surveyplanet.com/54fcd933648b04444753345c

That's it. I deserve the comments. I feel really stupid.
09:27pm 04/06/15 Permalink
Ducko
Sydney, New South Wales
3 posts
You've failed even before you failed to post the questionnaire. It shouldn't and isn't up to other people to prove you wrong, you have to prove yourself right.


Yes, I really stuffed. And yes, it isn't. I didn't word that properly did I... What I meant was for people to put down their opinions, and as much as it would be great to prove myself right, that's not what I really want. Everyone has something to say, something different so even though I'm trying to prove myself right, I need to take into consideration everyone else's point of views, which is what I really need.
09:44pm 04/06/15 Permalink
Zy
Gold Coast, Queensland
2454 posts
So are you a woman trying to prove that women are mistreated and unfairly portrayed in games?
10:13pm 04/06/15 Permalink
Audi
Perth, Western Australia
1419 posts
I have nothing to say.
10:29pm 04/06/15 Permalink
BladeRunner
Queensland
2056 posts
I did it. hope it helps.
11:28pm 04/06/15 Permalink
Ducko
Sydney, New South Wales
4 posts
So are you a woman trying to prove that women are mistreated and unfairly portrayed in games?

Well, not 'proving', more trying to see it in different peoples perspectives. My project isn't exactly me trying to prove something, it's more how that 'issue' or whatever you call it stands in society and in a community.
01:49am 05/06/15 Permalink
Ducko
Sydney, New South Wales
5 posts
I have nothing to say.

Well, say what you want to say, even if it's negative. if it is, it'll be good to have
01:50am 05/06/15 Permalink
Ducko
Sydney, New South Wales
6 posts
People of the community? What would you know about the "community" Mr one post?

Apparently not much, according to you. As you can surely see, my "one post" doesn't mean anything of course. Not like I I read forums without having an account, as if I don't like knowing people's opinions on certain topics within games and about games. I just prefer not to post, because I get scared I'll embarrass myself. Great example being my first post ever. Wow, didn't that just go great. So that's why, no, I might not be part of such a "community", but I'm always there, in the shadows...
01:58am 05/06/15 Permalink
Ducko
Sydney, New South Wales
7 posts
The person who commented saying you're not a fan of biased studies, I am the same. The reason I did this was because doing a study on both men and female in games would be too broad, so i needed to narrow it down. But I totally agree, and tbh the reason I did women was so i could kinda show that there are worse problems in games, especially online multiplayer games, and that it's not just women. It annoys me how much women get the center light because they're seen as 'fragile' or whatever, because it's rough for everyone, but that's the world ain't it. But thank you, that was valuable stuff guys.
02:12am 05/06/15 Permalink
Zy
Gold Coast, Queensland
2455 posts
I just prefer not to post, because I get scared I'll embarrass myself. Great example being my first post ever. Wow, didn't that just go great.

Don't let the grumpy old men scare you; just post, make mistakes, own up to them, learn and move on. You won't improve if you're always hiding from challenges. Besides, at least you got responses, better than being ignored.

Edit: just read your last post. Agreed. Good luck!

last edited by Zy at 02:24:16 05/Jun/15
02:21am 05/06/15 Permalink
slyin
Brisbane, Queensland
159 posts
you can reply to more than one person in a single post

ALERT
=================PRIVILEGED WHITE MALE DECLARES MINORITY GROUPS ISSUE DOESNT EXIST>>>>>>>>> ALERT

THANKS IM SURE YOUR STUDY WILL YIELD QUALITY DATA THAT EVERYONE WILL GIVE A S*** ABOUT
04:12am 05/06/15 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
7666 posts
i did your survey :) unfortunately, i just see it as more people jumping on the 'sjws in gaming' bandwagon... coz it's soooo cool right now!

it will be interesting to see in the future if any gaming companies bend to the feminists agenda & produces "women specific" titles.. & how well that would go.
10:01am 05/06/15 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1677 posts
I think you need to work on your questions a little bit. This is fairly egregious:

"Do you think the sexualisation of females in games is a positive or negative thing? Or both?"


Sexualisation is by definition a bad thing. I think the question you're attempting to ask is something along the lines of "do you think that the amount of sexualisation going on is cause for concern?"

You can't answer your question in the negative without being a paedo or rapist man.

Good luck with your research.
10:34am 05/06/15 Permalink
justrev
Melbourne, Victoria
531 posts
Lots of room to write answers, not directed to choose between bad options.
Good luck collating all that.
11:18am 05/06/15 Permalink
justrev
Melbourne, Victoria
532 posts
Done a few surveys for people on this site and don't get any feedback.
How about some results when you're done Ducky?
11:28am 05/06/15 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
7667 posts
Sexualisation is by definition a bad thing.

the advertising industry would disagree i think :) ... or the movie industry, or the music industry, etc...

sex sells, yo. :]
11:37am 05/06/15 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1678 posts
I hear you but I think you can distinguish between using sex to sell and sexualisation.

Sexualisation is the pernicious part of using sex to sell, but it doesn't follow that every depiction of a sexy person used to sell s*** is therefore a sexualised one.

I'm not sure that it follows that being profitable = being good.

Recreational drugs are extremely profitable, seems they have their fairly obvious drawbacks. Take all the money that goes into managing the social impact of alcohol for example.

anywho the point is surveys should avoid complex questions, where either answer gives a definitive answer to an implied question.
11:54am 05/06/15 Permalink
HurricaneJim
Brisbane, Queensland
2217 posts
12:10pm 05/06/15 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1679 posts
I'm not totally sure I follow you HJ.
12:25pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Zy
Gold Coast, Queensland
2456 posts
Sexualisation is by definition a bad thing.

Definition...

sexualize
/ˈsɛksjʊəˌlaɪz/
verb
1.
to make or become sexual or sexually aware
2.
to give or acquire sexual associations

Sounds fine to me. Unless you're one of those people that still thinks sex is dirty and a bad thing, and the naked human body is evil ... which is why destroying it (violence) is so acceptable.

Do we need another sexual liberation movement? Burn all clothes this time, make sure we do it right.
12:37pm 05/06/15 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1680 posts
To make someone sexual, sounds fine to you?
12:50pm 05/06/15 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
5029 posts
Surely woman in gaming is a none issue. Its like a feeding frenzy whenever the boys of the forum get wind of the presence of a woman on here.
Anyway, I think a far more important cause is Free the nipple . Get behind it everyone!
12:58pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Zy
Gold Coast, Queensland
2457 posts
To make someone sexual, sounds fine to you?

Sure, why not? Unless you're physically forcing someone to do something, but then that's against the law. You can make someone sexual after they ask you to do so, and that's why the word by definition isn't bad. It can go either way. Sexualizing children for example, that's bad. Sexualizing a consenting adult, that's fine.

Sexualizing = neutral until variables are defined.

Why is the guy named PornoPete acting overly politically correct anyway?
01:18pm 05/06/15 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
25117 posts
What about a male artist sexualising women through the artwork he creates?
01:21pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Zy
Gold Coast, Queensland
2458 posts
01:22pm 05/06/15 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1681 posts
You can make someone sexual after they ask you to do so, and that's why the word by definition isn't bad


Explain to me how you have made someone sexual in that scenario did they ask you for a penis or something?

Maybe it's like scarecrow in the wizard of oz?
01:33pm 05/06/15 Permalink
IncrEdible_vEgetable
Brisbane, Queensland
2636 posts
tbh the reason I did women was so i could kinda show that there are worse problems in games, especially online multiplayer games, and that it's not just women. It annoys me how much women get the center light because they're seen as 'fragile' or whatever


So you're "opposed to biased surveys"? Shouldn't you be conducting your survey, analysing the data and drawing a conclusion from your findings? If you're "doing women" to "show" something isn't that going to affect the neutral standpoint of your survey? Fail.

You've also tainted the results by posting your opinion here about how women getting the spotlight "annoys" you. You've asked people for their opinion and then positioned yourself on the issue, which means the data you collect has potentially been influenced by the mechanics of your survey. Fail.

On a personal note, your thinly veiled hostility in comments about how women getting the [spotlight] (I think is the word you were looking for) "annoys" you makes me wonder if you might be one of those Men's Rights peanuts in training.

Your post reads like "Hay guyz, these women complaining about being negatively portrayed/treated in gaming and online multiplayer, I mean come on, amirite? Women pfft. So noying xept for rooting and cooking right guyz?!? ROFLLOLZ"

Maybe educate yourself about Women's Rights issues in the last 100 years and then tell us how "annoying" it is when they speak up about inequality.
01:41pm 05/06/15 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
7668 posts
What about a male artist sexualising women through the artwork he creates?

why do you specify a 'male' artist? should it matter which gender made the content? is it impossible for a female to sexualise women?

answering your question though... yes. it is ok. advertising people do it on a daily basis & are praised for their work.. especially if it sells the product!

01:42pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Zy
Gold Coast, Queensland
2459 posts
Explain to me how you have made someone sexual in that scenario did they ask you for a penis or something?

Photographer, asked to make a girl sexy on a photoshoot.


Is there any reason you couldn't figure that out on your own?
01:49pm 05/06/15 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1682 posts
How has the photographer made the model sexual.....

Its a simple question.
01:58pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Zy
Gold Coast, Queensland
2460 posts
By helping her with poses, what she wears, then taking the photos from a certain angle, etc.

That's the problem, it's too simple. You shouldn't need to ask this stuff.

made
meɪd/
adjective
suffix: -made; adjective: made

made in a particular place or way.
02:27pm 05/06/15 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1683 posts
Ok so if the model is asking to be shot in a sexy way, doesn't it sort of follow that she was already sexual?

How did the photographer take something that wasn't sexual and make it sexual.

Clue: making her look sexy isn't it.

Plus learn2dictionary.

the word is clearly used in its verbal and not adjectival form

Definition of make in English:
verb (past and past participle made /meɪd/)

[WITH OBJECT]
1Form (something) by putting parts together or combining substances; create:
my grandmother made a dress for me
cricket bats are made of willow
02:33pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Zy
Gold Coast, Queensland
2461 posts
The definition I used was fine.

And to keep it very basic, to avoid further stubborn arguments on your behalf:

A model standing upright fully clothed isn't sexualized. Or it could be, if that's what you find sexually attractive.

A model bent over in a certain way, "presenting" to the camera is sexualized.

She wasn't sexualized until I told her to pose that way.
02:44pm 05/06/15 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1684 posts
No, the form you used wasn't ok. The act of making someone or something sexual is key to the concept. If they just always were sexual then they can't be sexualised.

Sexualisation entails taking something that isn't sexual and making it sexual.

For an adult, simply acknowledging that they have sexuality isn't sexualising. The issue comes when you deny that any other aspect of their agency exists.

That is the process of sexualisation and it is inherently undignified and so always bad.

Where a person willingly engages in that activity it can't be said that their agency has been denied.

It just isn't that difficult. People having sex is not in and of itself sexualising. An attractive person is not inherently sexualised.

Where the line for any given image or person is to be drawn is obviously going to be a grey area. But there is a line, and sexualised imagery is on the wrong side of it.

The harm that flows from it happening to an imaginary character is an issue for debate. The indignity of being sexualised I don't think is.

For example This is an archetypal example of sexualisation. Clothes stayed on for the duration.

This is not.
03:27pm 05/06/15 Permalink
notgreazy
Other International
151 posts
How old are you Ducko?

That was a pretty bad survey.
03:54pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Zy
Gold Coast, Queensland
2462 posts
The form I used was fine because it was a joke to say "this conversation is too basic and ridiculous", why else would I post a definition of a word like "made"? We all know what it means. I copy pasted the first definition that came up on Google.

People having sex is not in and of itself sexualising. An attractive person is not inherently sexualised.

Exactly. So if those people WANT to be sexualized, then what's the problem? Why is sexualization so bad? What if an actor is open to being sexualized but may not be that day, unless the director says so? "I'm going to sexualize your character", "Ok!".

The issue comes when you deny that any other aspect of their agency exists.

So only focusing on their sexual nature is the issue for you ... but what if someone focuses on sexuality, intelligence, health, kindness, etc? Is there still something wrong with having sexualization in there?
04:02pm 05/06/15 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1685 posts
zy you don't understand the concept.

So if those people WANT to be sexualized


This statement proves it.
04:13pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Zy
Gold Coast, Queensland
2463 posts
I think you're making out like sexualization is something it's not.
04:23pm 05/06/15 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1686 posts
That's ok. You are just thinking wrong.
04:25pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Ducko
Sydney, New South Wales
8 posts


So you're "opposed to biased surveys"? Shouldn't you be conducting your survey, analysing the data and drawing a conclusion from your findings? If you're "doing women" to "show" something isn't that going to affect the neutral standpoint of your survey? Fail.

You've also tainted the results by posting your opinion here about how women getting the spotlight "annoys" you. You've asked people for their opinion and then positioned yourself on the issue, which means the data you collect has potentially been influenced by the mechanics of your survey. Fail.

On a personal note, your thinly veiled hostility in comments about how women getting the [spotlight] (I think is the word you were looking for) "annoys" you makes me wonder if you might be one of those Men's Rights peanuts in training.

Your post reads like "Hay guyz, these women complaining about being negatively portrayed/treated in gaming and online multiplayer, I mean come on, amirite? Women pfft. So noying xept for rooting and cooking right guyz?!? ROFLLOLZ"

Maybe educate yourself about Women's Rights issues in the last 100 years and then tell us how "annoying" it is when they speak up about inequality.


Thank You :)! I set that up in hopes that it would create a s****torm, but then it didn't so I was kind of sad but then I saw your post and I was like yesssss. So, I hope you understand that I'm not "one of those Men's Rights peanuts in training" XD. In fact, I am an alien.
I had enough responses by that time that when someone wrote "I don't like biased surveys", I thought about how people would react if I agreed to that. Risky and quite dumb, I know, but you hit the nail on the head. I wanted to see if there was a trend of people responding with the influence of my post, which I actually didn't see happen surprisingly. I'm adding your response into my project if you don't mind, it really was helpful. Also, I still agree on my point that everyone gets it harsh tho. I just wish people weren't so f*****g stupid and up themselves. I just want to play my games with other people and not get harassed, whether I'm a man or a woman.
I've got enough responses now guys so thank you all so much :) Also, you're comments in the discussion really help me too so thank you all for that! Also, anyone who hasn't done it, you still can. The more the better amirite.
04:27pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Zy
Gold Coast, Queensland
2464 posts
That's ok. You are just thinking wrong.

But the definition supports my claim.
04:30pm 05/06/15 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
1687 posts
No it doesn't
04:33pm 05/06/15 Permalink
d0mino
Melbourne, Victoria
5418 posts
That research questionnaire was super leading. Everything in a blockbuster video game is sexualised. Even the explosions are f***able.
04:40pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Ducko
Sydney, New South Wales
9 posts

Don't let the grumpy old men scare you; just post, make mistakes, own up to them, learn and move on. You won't improve if you're always hiding from challenges. Besides, at least you got responses, better than being ignored.

Edit: just read your last post. Agreed. Good luck!

last edited by Zy at 02:24:16 05/Jun/15


Thank you my good friend, but I want to ask what exactly do you agree about that post? Everything or certain things?
04:45pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Ducko
Sydney, New South Wales
10 posts
That research questionnaire was super leading. Everything in a blockbuster video game is sexualised. Even the explosions are f***able.

*Explosion happens*.... I'd f*** that.
04:53pm 05/06/15 Permalink
d0mino
Melbourne, Victoria
5419 posts
Ducko, I am exagerating of course, but everything in a game is stylised to communicate story quickly. The male characters are just as sexualised as the female characters. The characters hyper sexual, the cars run at hyper speed, the explosions are over the top, the dungeons are extra slimey.

05:04pm 05/06/15 Permalink
Ducko
Sydney, New South Wales
11 posts
Ducko, I am exagerating of course, but everything in a game is stylised to communicate story quickly. The male characters are just as sexualised as the female characters. The characters hyper sexual, the cars run at hyper speed, the explosions are over the top, the dungeons are extra slimey.


Thank you, that's good information to put into my project.
05:09pm 05/06/15 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
22656 posts
The problem lies in sexualising people or topics who/which ought not to be sexualised due to community expectations. Sexual outfits in Target that fit an 8 year old is inappropriate sexualisation. An ad targetted to 8 year olds that includes sexual imagery i.e. exposed sexual bodies, sexual gyration (any Nicki Minaj) is inappropriate.

Otherwise sexualising is just another marketing tool. If the consumer is not attracted by it they will not buy it. Sexualising women characters in games is as cliched as the redhead in Roger Rabbit.
07:24pm 05/06/15 Permalink
baz
Victoria
942 posts
Slimey dungeons can be sexualised?
09:18pm 05/06/15 Permalink
HurricaneJim
Brisbane, Queensland
2218 posts
I'm not totally sure I follow you HJ.


Ducko will understand when he/she reads my last answer in his/her survey.
10:05pm 05/06/15 Permalink
WirlWind
Central Coast, New South Wales
1713 posts
In fact, I am a woman who goes to all girls school.


Well HELLOOOO...

(I'm joking, I didn't have anything special to add and I figured after 3 pages of that s***, I should at least mark the fact that wasted my time reading it.)


Slimey dungeons can be sexualised?


I dunno, ask the Japanese. I'm sure they'd be up for a challenge.
10:57pm 05/06/15 Permalink
BladeRunner
Queensland
2059 posts
12:00am 06/06/15 Permalink
baz
Victoria
945 posts
She doesn't look too phased that her middle finger is broken.
12:35am 06/06/15 Permalink
nings
Gold Coast, Queensland
233 posts
Slimey dungeon sex?

There done.
08:59am 06/06/15 Permalink
Rukh
Brisbane, Queensland
989 posts
I've just completed the survey. There's some questions that were a little dubious but on the whole it wasn't too badly designed.

10:19pm 06/06/15 Permalink
Mekatris
USA
9 posts
There arn't any women in gaming, its just a 40 yr old man. Everyone knows that.


Actually there is. My gf is actively playing this mmorpg called Rohan. Aside from that she also plays witcher 3, outlast, Aion. There are many more, I just can't remember.
05:18am 07/07/15 Permalink
notgreazy
Other International
176 posts


Actually there is. My gf is actively playing this mmorpg called Rohan. Aside from that she also plays witcher 3, outlast, Aion. There are many more, I just can't remember.

You're either very good at dry sarcasm or you missed his sarcasm.
10:43am 07/07/15 Permalink
Rukh
Brisbane, Queensland
996 posts
It's obviously dry sarcasm as everyone knows people on QGL don't have gf's.
12:19pm 07/07/15 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
25193 posts
So we've got a hi I'm new here lol and a necroed thread for one of the most blatent ~~**MY GIRLFRIEND **~~ posts of all time. I got high hopes for this guy.
01:21pm 07/07/15 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
22758 posts


Actually there is. My gf is actively playing this mmorpg called Rohan. Aside from that she also plays witcher 3, outlast, Aion. There are many more, I just can't remember.


outlast was a hella scary game. tell your gf to try The Evil Within - f*****g terrifying.
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